-----Original Message----- From: Barbara <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, 5 September 1999 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [TOLPUDDLE] Edward Hawkins Lovelace/William Edward Lovelace >Hi Mandy, >Have just looked up my photocopy of the IGI, and you may be right, but there >are two >different call numbers for these gentlemen. >Edward Hawkins Lovelace b (for Born) 28 Dec 1851, Finesbury, Saint Luke >01 Dec 1955 - 15 Feb 1956 SG - 29 Jan 1986LD >Batch/Film No 8420790 Sheet 80 > >William Edward Lovelace b (for Born) 28 Dec 1851- No church named - >1 Dec 1955 - 15 Feb 1956 SG - Pre- 1970 - >Batch/Film No 0452016 - Sheet Film. > >I do not know enough about the IGI setup so have just listed what is shown. >The problem with the IGI is that there are not the deaths listed as of >course >that is not the purpose of the lisitings. Perhaps if there was only one >child his name could be William Edward Hawkins Lovelace ??? > >If you have been reading about Long Bredy you will notice Thomas >Lovlass married Elizabeth Matthews there in 1780's, now my Benjamin >Lovelace married Frances Matthews in Wells, Somerset in 1796. > > >Have just been doing some research on the Aussie lines, and found >a Laura Ann Lovelace married William Henry Collins in 1915. >Laura died in 1948 and lo and behold her parents were Marcus Brutus >Lovelace and Mary Ann Watley. From London, England. >Had a squiz at the IGI and Marcus Brutus Lovelace was christened >on the 13 Sep 1835, St Pancras Old Church - parents >John Lovelace and Mary Gaunt. He also had a brother Charles Frederick >Lovelace, christened 25 Jul 1832 at the same church. > > Regards Barb Lewis. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: John O. Andersen <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >Date: Saturday, 4 September 1999 6:33 PM >Subject: [TOLPUDDLE] Edward Hawkins Lovelace/William Edward Lovelace > > >>Barb - I called my mother last night with some of the information you sent >>to me, that I felt was news to her. She told me that Edward Hawkins >>Lovelace and William Edward Lovelace were the same person. I forgot to >>suggest to her that there may have been a twin, but as this was her >>grandfather, I feel inclined to accept her thoughts. I will broach the >>subject the next time we talk. >>Mary Ann Lovelace WAS news! (so maybe a twin might not be out of the >>question?....) Thank you so much for the information. >> >>Mandy Andersen >> > >

Hi Mandy, thanks for all the London based Loveless info. Yes I have a London connection but don't recognise any names alas. My Loveless's moved across from Dorset to Kent and then into South London in the early 1900s. I will hang onto your names though for future reference as you never know.......there are two Loveless brothers of my grandad who I have completely 'lost' - born in Camberwell area in 1890s. believe one was Thomas and one possibly Ronald. Will keep looking. Carol

Barb - couldn't help noticing the Long Bredy bit about Thomas Lovelass marrying Elizabeth Mathews in 1780s. Not sure where you got this from but I have been researching my ggggrandad Henry's parents who I believe were Thomas and Elizabeth of Long Bredy who married in 1787. Irene gave me 'Mathews' however we have since discovered that this was another Elizabeth from Powerstock who also married a Thomas Lovel(ace) - he was born in 1875 so his wife was no doubt born around the same time. Just wondering whether there is a confusion here or whether you have more info. about the Long Bredy Loveless's?? Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 05, 1999 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [TOLPUDDLE] Edward Hawkins Lovelace/William Edward Lovelace > Hi Mandy, > Have just looked up my photocopy of the IGI, and you may be right, but there > are two > different call numbers for these gentlemen. > Edward Hawkins Lovelace b (for Born) 20 Dec 1851, Finesbury, Saint Luke > 01 Dec 1955 - 15 Feb 1956 SG - 29 Jan 1986LD > Batch/Film No 8420790 Sheet 80 > > William Edward Lovelace b (for Born) 20 Dec 1851- No church named - > 1 Dec 1955 - 15 Feb 1956 SG - Pre- 1970 - > Batch/Film No 0452016 - Sheet Film. > > I do not know enough about the IGI setup so have just listed what is shown. > The problem with the IGI is that there are not the deaths listed as of > course > that is not the purpose of the lisitings. Perhaps if there was only one > child his name could be William Edward Hawkins Lovelace ??? > > If you have been reading about Long Bredy you will notice Thomas > Lovlass married Elizabeth Matthews there in 1780's, now my Benjamin > Lovelace married Frances Matthews in Wells, Somerset in 1796. > > > Have just been doing some research on the Aussie lines, and found > a Laura Ann Lovelace married William Henry Collins in 1915. > Laura died in 1948 and lo and behold her parents were Marcus Brutus > Lovelace and Mary Ann Watley. From London, England. > Had a squiz at the IGI and Marcus Brutus Lovelace was christened > on the 13 Sep 1835, St Pancras Old Church - parents > John Lovelace and Mary Gaunt. He also had a brother Charles Frederick > Lovelace, christened 25 Jul 1832 at the same church. > > Regards Barb Lewis. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John O. Andersen <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: Saturday, 4 September 1999 6:33 PM > Subject: [TOLPUDDLE] Edward Hawkins Lovelace/William Edward Lovelace > > > >Barb - I called my mother last night with some of the information you sent > >to me, that I felt was news to her. She told me that Edward Hawkins > >Lovelace and William Edward Lovelace were the same person. I forgot to > >suggest to her that there may have been a twin, but as this was her > >grandfather, I feel inclined to accept her thoughts. I will broach the > >subject the next time we talk. > >Mary Ann Lovelace WAS news! (so maybe a twin might not be out of the > >question?....) Thank you so much for the information. > > > >Mandy Andersen > > > > > >

Now that is something I certainly didn't know - and probably not many others did either.....Bredyport...? Seems there is also a Littlebredy....Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: Russell Brasington <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 1999 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [TOLPUDDLE] Anyone home? > Not sure if my last mail got to you so here goes again - Long Bredy is about > midway between Dorchester and Bridport. > > Also, Did you know that Thomas Hardy's name for Bridport was "Port Bredy"? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian and Carol <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: 02 September 1999 08:12 > Subject: [TOLPUDDLE] Anyone home? > > > >Hi all, is it me or has this site gone very dead lately?? OK I have a > question for any Loveless's in Dorset?? I have discovered that my > gggggrandad came from LONG BREDY in Dorset - born 1794 - HENRY LOVELESS. > Would anyone know where that is? If it still exists? I have also found in > the Tolpuddle Records reference to a THOMAS LOVELESS marrying a JANE FRY in > LONG BREDY back in 1748 - September. Anyone have any Frys in their gen? > >How is everyone else doing?? Have you all found your ancestors? Do let us > know! > >Carol Park > > > > > >

Thanks so much Russ, am looking at it right now! Sent by another kind Tolpuddlian!! Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: Russell Brasington <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 1999 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [TOLPUDDLE] Anyone home? > Hi, Long Bredy is roughly midway between Dorchester and Bridport. > Russ > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian and Carol <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: 02 September 1999 08:12 > Subject: [TOLPUDDLE] Anyone home? > > > >Hi all, is it me or has this site gone very dead lately?? OK I have a > question for any Loveless's in Dorset?? I have discovered that my > gggggrandad came from LONG BREDY in Dorset - born 1794 - HENRY LOVELESS. > Would anyone know where that is? If it still exists? I have also found in > the Tolpuddle Records reference to a THOMAS LOVELESS marrying a JANE FRY in > LONG BREDY back in 1748 - September. Anyone have any Frys in their gen? > >How is everyone else doing?? Have you all found your ancestors? Do let us > know! > >Carol Park > > > > > >

Hi Mandy, Have just looked up my photocopy of the IGI, and you may be right, but there are two different call numbers for these gentlemen. Edward Hawkins Lovelace b (for Born) 20 Dec 1851, Finesbury, Saint Luke 01 Dec 1955 - 15 Feb 1956 SG - 29 Jan 1986LD Batch/Film No 8420790 Sheet 80 William Edward Lovelace b (for Born) 20 Dec 1851- No church named - 1 Dec 1955 - 15 Feb 1956 SG - Pre- 1970 - Batch/Film No 0452016 - Sheet Film. I do not know enough about the IGI setup so have just listed what is shown. The problem with the IGI is that there are not the deaths listed as of course that is not the purpose of the lisitings. Perhaps if there was only one child his name could be William Edward Hawkins Lovelace ??? If you have been reading about Long Bredy you will notice Thomas Lovlass married Elizabeth Matthews there in 1780's, now my Benjamin Lovelace married Frances Matthews in Wells, Somerset in 1796. Have just been doing some research on the Aussie lines, and found a Laura Ann Lovelace married William Henry Collins in 1915. Laura died in 1948 and lo and behold her parents were Marcus Brutus Lovelace and Mary Ann Watley. From London, England. Had a squiz at the IGI and Marcus Brutus Lovelace was christened on the 13 Sep 1835, St Pancras Old Church - parents John Lovelace and Mary Gaunt. He also had a brother Charles Frederick Lovelace, christened 25 Jul 1832 at the same church. Regards Barb Lewis. -----Original Message----- From: John O. Andersen <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, 4 September 1999 6:33 PM Subject: [TOLPUDDLE] Edward Hawkins Lovelace/William Edward Lovelace >Barb - I called my mother last night with some of the information you sent >to me, that I felt was news to her. She told me that Edward Hawkins >Lovelace and William Edward Lovelace were the same person. I forgot to >suggest to her that there may have been a twin, but as this was her >grandfather, I feel inclined to accept her thoughts. I will broach the >subject the next time we talk. >Mary Ann Lovelace WAS news! (so maybe a twin might not be out of the >question?....) Thank you so much for the information. > >Mandy Andersen >

Barb - I called my mother last night with some of the information you sent to me, that I felt was news to her. She told me that Edward Hawkins Lovelace and William Edward Lovelace were the same person. I forgot to suggest to her that there may have been a twin, but as this was her grandfather, I feel inclined to accept her thoughts. I will broach the subject the next time we talk. Mary Ann Lovelace WAS news! (so maybe a twin might not be out of the question?....) Thank you so much for the information. Mandy Andersen

S'me again! Found a page on the web you might like to visit - http://home.sprynet.com/~btomp/longbred.htm Picture and info on Long Bredy unfortunately my browser is playing up so could only see the picture myself - text was just garbled. Hope its of interest. Bye Russ -----Original Message----- From: Brian and Carol <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: 02 September 1999 08:12 Subject: [TOLPUDDLE] Anyone home? >Hi all, is it me or has this site gone very dead lately?? OK I have a question for any Loveless's in Dorset?? I have discovered that my gggggrandad came from LONG BREDY in Dorset - born 1794 - HENRY LOVELESS. Would anyone know where that is? If it still exists? I have also found in the Tolpuddle Records reference to a THOMAS LOVELESS marrying a JANE FRY in LONG BREDY back in 1748 - September. Anyone have any Frys in their gen? >How is everyone else doing?? Have you all found your ancestors? Do let us know! >Carol Park > >

Not sure if my last mail got to you so here goes again - Long Bredy is about midway between Dorchester and Bridport. Also, Did you know that Thomas Hardy's name for Bridport was "Port Bredy"? -----Original Message----- From: Brian and Carol <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: 02 September 1999 08:12 Subject: [TOLPUDDLE] Anyone home? >Hi all, is it me or has this site gone very dead lately?? OK I have a question for any Loveless's in Dorset?? I have discovered that my gggggrandad came from LONG BREDY in Dorset - born 1794 - HENRY LOVELESS. Would anyone know where that is? If it still exists? I have also found in the Tolpuddle Records reference to a THOMAS LOVELESS marrying a JANE FRY in LONG BREDY back in 1748 - September. Anyone have any Frys in their gen? >How is everyone else doing?? Have you all found your ancestors? Do let us know! >Carol Park > >

Hi, Long Bredy is roughly midway between Dorchester and Bridport. Russ -----Original Message----- From: Brian and Carol <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: 02 September 1999 08:12 Subject: [TOLPUDDLE] Anyone home? >Hi all, is it me or has this site gone very dead lately?? OK I have a question for any Loveless's in Dorset?? I have discovered that my gggggrandad came from LONG BREDY in Dorset - born 1794 - HENRY LOVELESS. Would anyone know where that is? If it still exists? I have also found in the Tolpuddle Records reference to a THOMAS LOVELESS marrying a JANE FRY in LONG BREDY back in 1748 - September. Anyone have any Frys in their gen? >How is everyone else doing?? Have you all found your ancestors? Do let us know! >Carol Park > >

In case anyone is interested there are several LOVELACE entries on the above site. As an example of what the information available, I am posting the entry for my Great Uncle Henry; I did start to print another, which I then curtailed when I saw it was not the one I wanted. The name was: Henry James Lovelace Rifleman 201509 20th Bn., King's Royal Rifle Corps who died on Tuesday 6th August 1918. Age 27 Additional Information: Son of John Benjamin and Louisa Lovelace, of The Minories, London; husband of Louisa Lovelace, of 67, Fitzalan St., Kennington Road, Lambeth, London ...........there is more information but this is where I stopped my printer, sorry :o( Does anyone recognise this name? Mandy Andersen Portland, Oregon Copied from the Commonwealth War Grave Commission http://yard.ccta.gov.uk/cwgc/register.nsf In Memory of HENRY EDWARD LOVELACE Private L/15049, 1st Bn., Royal Fusiliers who died on Tuesday, 31st July 1917. Age 21. Additional Information: Brother of Miss D. Lovelace, of 73, Well Street, Hackney, London. Previously wounded Sept., 1914. Commemorative Information: Memorial: YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL, Ieper, West-Vlaanderen, Belgium Grave Reference/Panel Number: Panel 6 and 8 Location: Ypres (now Ieper) is a town in the Province of West Flanders. The Memorial is situated at the eastern side of the town on the road to Menin and Courtrai, and bears the names of men who were lost without trace during the defence of the Ypres Salient in the First World War. Cemetry: PERNES BRITISH CEMETERY, Pas De Calais, France Grave Reference/ III. A. 25. Location: Pernes-en-Artois is a small town in the Department of the Department of the Pas-de-Calais on the main road from Lillers to St. Pol. The British Cemetery is nearly one kilometre west of the town on the road to Sains-les-Pernes. Historial Information: Until April, 1918, the town was on the French or British lines of communication; but in that month the medical units were driven back by the German advance and the 1st Canadian and 4th Canadian Casualty Clearing Stations came to Pernes and began the Cemetery. They remained until July. In May the 6th and 22nd Clearing Stations came, and in August the 13th Clearing Station, and these remained until September. Almost all the burials were made by these units; but Graves 2 to 13 in Plot VI., Row C, were brought after the Armistice from the small British Cemeteries of Anvin and Wavrans, on the railway line from St. Pol to Montreuil. In addition, the grave of one United Kingdom soldier buried in Pernes Churchyard was added at a later date. There are now over 1,000, 1914-18 and nearly 20, 1939-45 war casualties commemorated in this site. The Cemetery covers an area of 4,157 square metres. ********** John http://members.xoom.com/joandersen "Advertising: The science of arresting the human intelligence long enough to get money from it." Stephen Leacock

Whilst sifting through a volume called 'Register of Holy Trinity, Knightsbridge 1658-1681' in a FHC in Indianapolis (of all places) I found the following: MARRIAGES 1670 Jan 1 Joseph Matthus and Edith Lovelace 1674 Jul 14 Robert Lovelace and Jane Wright 1675 Dec 26 Robt. Lovelisse and Mary Sparrow I haven't been able to connect with them yet. Maybe someone out there can. Mandy Andersen Portland, Oregon John http://members.xoom.com/joandersen "Advertising: The science of arresting the human intelligence long enough to get money from it." Stephen Leacock

Irene, I've posted the same information I would send to you re: my family. On the list it will be the reply to Carol. I have just realised that I forgot to list additional information that Barb Lewis sent to me (Barb - I can't find out if I already thanked you - if not, MANY THANKS! I found that I had quickly transferred the email to the appropriate file in speedy sorting, and I can't remember if I replied. If not, my apologies). The additional information she sent me is as follows: > Your Benjamin and Sarah Rebecca Hawkins had a couple more children according > to the IGI > Edward Hawkins Lovelace b 28 Dec 1851 St. Luke, Finsbury, London > Mary Ann Lovelace bpt 16 Oct 1855 Sepulchre, London. > > Benjamin John Lovelace and Emma Jane Randall married 22 July 1869 Lambeth, > London > 2 of their children :- William Stafford b 1874 Colchester Essex, Eng > Benjamin George b 877 Braintree, Essex, Eng > ( you say you have more) > > William Edward Lovelace and Martha Emily O'Shea > 2 of their children Henry Edward Lovelace b 14 Dec 1894 London > Rosina Alice Lovelace b 11 May 1889 > London > > George Abraham Lovelace m 6 Aug 1871 Sarah Elizabeth Jeary > 1 child Edwin James b 12 Nov 1878 Bayswater, London > Irene - I just checked, and Benjamin John LOVELACE (above) was born in East Cripplegate, and William Edward Lovelace's wife was born in Cripplegate! Her name was Martha Emily SHEA, and she was born 9 Oct 1859. Her parents were Cornelius James SHEA and Martha AMBLER. Anything familiar? Mandy ----- Original Message ----- From: Irene Howgate <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 4:35 PM Subject: [TOLPUDDLE] Lovelace of London > Hello Mandy > I would be interested to hear about your Lovelace's from London. My ggg > grandparents were married in St Giles Cripplegate in 1830, all their > children were christened in Bermondsey. They were married as Lovelefs, > lived as Loveless and were buried as Lovelace. > Look forward to hearing about your family. > Irene in Australia where the spring has arrived and the weather is JUST > gorgious. >

Carol, I have cheated and copied over the bit that I first posted on TOLPUDDLE-L which goes like this: JOHN LOVELACE, born ?, place?, married? father of: ............ Benjamin LOVELACE b. 6 Jan 1824, London, England; married 16 December 1894, Holborn, London, England to..... Sarah Rebecca HAWKINS b. 15 April 1820, City of London, England. They had 7 children that we know of: - Sarah Harriot (m. Thomas Corless)b. 1 October 1845, Shoreditch, London, England. - Benjamin John (m. twice we think, initially to Emma Jane Randal[l]) b. 19 February 1848, East Cripplegate, London, England. - George Abraham (m. Sarah Elizabeth Jeary) b. 18 November 1849, Shoreditch, London, England - William Edward (m. Martha Emily SHEA - my g.grandparents), b. 28 December 1851, London, England. - Harriet Alice (spinster), b. 26 August 1853, Shoreditch, London, England. - Margaret Ellen (spinster), b. 27 December 1857, Islington, London, England. - Esther (spinster), b. 28 November 1859, Walworth, London, England. I also have death dates for these children and their parents. I have a note that this information was obtained from "Ernest B. Lovelace, Grandson of Benjamin Lovelace, and certificates" in possession of my family. Do you have some Lovelace/less characters in London area? Mandy ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian and Carol <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [TOLPUDDLE] Anyone home? > Hey Mandy, thanks so much for that. Those places you have 'found' are > perfect for me since I am still convinced that my family have some > connection with the Tolpuddle set of Loveless's and needed to know proximity > of Tolpuddle and Long Bredy and Bridport. Obviously not too far apart. As > I said before it now seems that Loveless can be registered as anything from > LoveLACE, LISS, LASS, LEES AND LEECH! Would be very interesting to plough > into the depths of time to find out whether these 2 names LOVELACE AND > LOVELESS share the same family root or whether illiteracy got the better of > many registrations. Thanks again. HAppy hunting - which part of London?? > Carol

Hey Mandy, thanks so much for that. Those places you have 'found' are perfect for me since I am still convinced that my family have some connection with the Tolpuddle set of Loveless's and needed to know proximity of Tolpuddle and Long Bredy and Bridport. Obviously not too far apart. As I said before it now seems that Loveless can be registered as anything from LoveLACE, LISS, LASS, LEES AND LEECH! Would be very interesting to plough into the depths of time to find out whether these 2 names LOVELACE AND LOVELESS share the same family root or whether illiteracy got the better of many registrations. Thanks again. HAppy hunting - which part of London?? Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: John O. Andersen <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 4:04 AM Subject: Re: [TOLPUDDLE] Anyone home? > Hello everybody - > > I haven't contributed much, having been occupied with several successes on > other lines, thanks to the wonderful and generous help of others. Maybe I > can help with this one. > > Long Bredy still exists - or at least it did in 1988. On my 1988 Ordnance > Survey Motoring Atlas (I cannot recommend OS maps enough - they show > virtually EVERYTHING - including historic sites, 'buildings' in some cases, > topography, marshes, paths, although it does not distinguish counties (at > least on mine it doesn't) etc.) > Long Bredy is a small village west of the Roman city of Dorchester (nearest > largest city) in Dorset, which (Dorchester) looks to be about 10 miles SW > from Tolpuddle along the Roman road. Nowadays you would follow the A35(T). > Following the A35(T) SW from Tolpuddle the village/town sequence would be: > Tolpuddle, Burleston, Puddletown, Stinsford, Dorchester, Winterbourn > Steepleton, (looks like it passes a 'stone circle'), Winterbourn Abbas (by > the way it looks like there are camping grounds there if you have plans :o), > and about 3 miles further west and about 1 mile south brings you to Long > Bredy. In fact it is located less than six miles north (as the crow flies) > of the coastline at the beginning of Chesil Beach. > I hope that helps - I've included a lot of 'about's - I don't have my ruler > handy and the map scale is 3 miles to the inch. I REALLY need to get a new > book because this one's falling apart, but having lived in England/Wales for > 26 years I am sure that Long Bredy will still be there in some form or > another! > > As for the names, I'm afraid I can't help you there. I'm still in > 'LOVELACE' in London. > > Mandy Andersen > Portland, Oregon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brian and Carol <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 12:14 AM > Subject: [TOLPUDDLE] Anyone home? > > > > Hi all, is it me or has this site gone very dead lately?? OK I have a > question for any Loveless's in Dorset?? I have discovered that my > gggggrandad came from LONG BREDY in Dorset - born 1794 - HENRY LOVELESS. > Would anyone know where that is? If it still exists? I have also found in > the Tolpuddle Records reference to a THOMAS LOVELESS marrying a JANE FRY in > LONG BREDY back in 1748 - September. Anyone have any Frys in their gen? > > How is everyone else doing?? Have you all found your ancestors? Do let > us know! > > Carol Park > > > >

Hello Mandy I would be interested to hear about your Lovelace's from London. My ggg grandparents were married in St Giles Cripplegate in 1830, all their children were christened in Bermondsey. They were married as Lovelefs, lived as Loveless and were buried as Lovelace. Look forward to hearing about your family. Irene in Australia where the spring has arrived and the weather is JUST gorgious. >Hello everybody - > >I haven't contributed much, having been occupied with several successes on >other lines, thanks to the wonderful and generous help of others. Maybe I >can help with this one. > >Long Bredy still exists - or at least it did in 1988. On my 1988 Ordnance >Survey Motoring Atlas (I cannot recommend OS maps enough - they show >virtually EVERYTHING - including historic sites, 'buildings' in some cases, >topography, marshes, paths, although it does not distinguish counties (at >least on mine it doesn't) etc.) >Long Bredy is a small village west of the Roman city of Dorchester (nearest >largest city) in Dorset, which (Dorchester) looks to be about 10 miles SW >from Tolpuddle along the Roman road. Nowadays you would follow the A35(T). >Following the A35(T) SW from Tolpuddle the village/town sequence would be: >Tolpuddle, Burleston, Puddletown, Stinsford, Dorchester, Winterbourn >Steepleton, (looks like it passes a 'stone circle'), Winterbourn Abbas (by >the way it looks like there are camping grounds there if you have plans :o), >and about 3 miles further west and about 1 mile south brings you to Long >Bredy. In fact it is located less than six miles north (as the crow flies) >of the coastline at the beginning of Chesil Beach. >I hope that helps - I've included a lot of 'about's - I don't have my ruler >handy and the map scale is 3 miles to the inch. I REALLY need to get a new >book because this one's falling apart, but having lived in England/Wales for >26 years I am sure that Long Bredy will still be there in some form or >another! > >As for the names, I'm afraid I can't help you there. I'm still in >'LOVELACE' in London. > >Mandy Andersen >Portland, Oregon > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Brian and Carol <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 12:14 AM >Subject: [TOLPUDDLE] Anyone home? > > >> Hi all, is it me or has this site gone very dead lately?? OK I have a >question for any Loveless's in Dorset?? I have discovered that my >gggggrandad came from LONG BREDY in Dorset - born 1794 - HENRY LOVELESS. >Would anyone know where that is? If it still exists? I have also found in >the Tolpuddle Records reference to a THOMAS LOVELESS marrying a JANE FRY in >LONG BREDY back in 1748 - September. Anyone have any Frys in their gen? >> How is everyone else doing?? Have you all found your ancestors? Do let >us know! >> Carol Park >> > >

Thanks Mandy for your descriptive tour of Dorset. I could almost see the villages in my mind as the journey progressed. I for one have never been to England so it helps to understand the neighbour or country where our ancestors lived. Does anybody else have any teenagers getting ready to go back to school. Here in Ontario, Canada fashion is priority one for high school. I have visited so many clothes shops in the past week that they have all become one big blur. All the best to everyone, Donna King Tolpuddle List Manager ----- Original Message ----- From: John O. Andersen <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [TOLPUDDLE] Anyone home? > Hello everybody - > > I haven't contributed much, having been occupied with several successes on > other lines, thanks to the wonderful and generous help of others. Maybe I > can help with this one. > > Long Bredy still exists - or at least it did in 1988. On my 1988 Ordnance > Survey Motoring Atlas (I cannot recommend OS maps enough - they show > virtually EVERYTHING - including historic sites, 'buildings' in some cases, > topography, marshes, paths, although it does not distinguish counties (at > least on mine it doesn't) etc.) > Long Bredy is a small village west of the Roman city of Dorchester (nearest > largest city) in Dorset, which (Dorchester) looks to be about 10 miles SW > from Tolpuddle along the Roman road. Nowadays you would follow the A35(T). > Following the A35(T) SW from Tolpuddle the village/town sequence would be: > Tolpuddle, Burleston, Puddletown, Stinsford, Dorchester, Winterbourn > Steepleton, (looks like it passes a 'stone circle'), Winterbourn Abbas (by > the way it looks like there are camping grounds there if you have plans :o), > and about 3 miles further west and about 1 mile south brings you to Long > Bredy. In fact it is located less than six miles north (as the crow flies) > of the coastline at the beginning of Chesil Beach. > I hope that helps - I've included a lot of 'about's - I don't have my ruler > handy and the map scale is 3 miles to the inch. I REALLY need to get a new > book because this one's falling apart, but having lived in England/Wales for > 26 years I am sure that Long Bredy will still be there in some form or > another! > > As for the names, I'm afraid I can't help you there. I'm still in > 'LOVELACE' in London. > > Mandy Andersen > Portland, Oregon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brian and Carol <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 12:14 AM > Subject: [TOLPUDDLE] Anyone home? > > > > Hi all, is it me or has this site gone very dead lately?? OK I have a > question for any Loveless's in Dorset?? I have discovered that my > gggggrandad came from LONG BREDY in Dorset - born 1794 - HENRY LOVELESS. > Would anyone know where that is? If it still exists? I have also found in > the Tolpuddle Records reference to a THOMAS LOVELESS marrying a JANE FRY in > LONG BREDY back in 1748 - September. Anyone have any Frys in their gen? > > How is everyone else doing?? Have you all found your ancestors? Do let > us know! > > Carol Park > > >

Hello everybody - I haven't contributed much, having been occupied with several successes on other lines, thanks to the wonderful and generous help of others. Maybe I can help with this one. Long Bredy still exists - or at least it did in 1988. On my 1988 Ordnance Survey Motoring Atlas (I cannot recommend OS maps enough - they show virtually EVERYTHING - including historic sites, 'buildings' in some cases, topography, marshes, paths, although it does not distinguish counties (at least on mine it doesn't) etc.) Long Bredy is a small village west of the Roman city of Dorchester (nearest largest city) in Dorset, which (Dorchester) looks to be about 10 miles SW from Tolpuddle along the Roman road. Nowadays you would follow the A35(T). Following the A35(T) SW from Tolpuddle the village/town sequence would be: Tolpuddle, Burleston, Puddletown, Stinsford, Dorchester, Winterbourn Steepleton, (looks like it passes a 'stone circle'), Winterbourn Abbas (by the way it looks like there are camping grounds there if you have plans :o), and about 3 miles further west and about 1 mile south brings you to Long Bredy. In fact it is located less than six miles north (as the crow flies) of the coastline at the beginning of Chesil Beach. I hope that helps - I've included a lot of 'about's - I don't have my ruler handy and the map scale is 3 miles to the inch. I REALLY need to get a new book because this one's falling apart, but having lived in England/Wales for 26 years I am sure that Long Bredy will still be there in some form or another! As for the names, I'm afraid I can't help you there. I'm still in 'LOVELACE' in London. Mandy Andersen Portland, Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian and Carol <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 12:14 AM Subject: [TOLPUDDLE] Anyone home? > Hi all, is it me or has this site gone very dead lately?? OK I have a question for any Loveless's in Dorset?? I have discovered that my gggggrandad came from LONG BREDY in Dorset - born 1794 - HENRY LOVELESS. Would anyone know where that is? If it still exists? I have also found in the Tolpuddle Records reference to a THOMAS LOVELESS marrying a JANE FRY in LONG BREDY back in 1748 - September. Anyone have any Frys in their gen? > How is everyone else doing?? Have you all found your ancestors? Do let us know! > Carol Park >

Hi all. Sorry to be so quiet lately, but I've just started a new job and it has taken all the stuffing out of me. Those names you mention don't ring a bell with me. Never heard of Long Bredy and there is no Long Bredy marked on my two maps of England. Maybe someone else can be of more help. Donna King Tolpuddle List Manager ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian and Carol <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 12:14 AM Subject: [TOLPUDDLE] Anyone home? > Hi all, is it me or has this site gone very dead lately?? OK I have a question for any Loveless's in Dorset?? I have discovered that my gggggrandad came from LONG BREDY in Dorset - born 1794 - HENRY LOVELESS. Would anyone know where that is? If it still exists? I have also found in the Tolpuddle Records reference to a THOMAS LOVELESS marrying a JANE FRY in LONG BREDY back in 1748 - September. Anyone have any Frys in their gen? > How is everyone else doing?? Have you all found your ancestors? Do let us know! > Carol Park >

Ah Carol, now you got me going. Sister has gone home. Here you go. Here I was right the family I have in Powerstock is Thomas and Elizabeth's. Looks like Elizabeth might have been deceased. Your spelling of the name like the rest of us changes all the time. You have Lovlass too you know. I 1851 Census Dorset POWERSTOCK Lovelace Edward 3 501 17 Lovelace Elizabeth 32 501 17 Lovelace Thomas 38 Powerstock 510 17 Lovelass John 13 Powerstock 486 8 Lovelass Thomas 66 Long Predy 486 8 ____________________________________________________________ >You are a blossom!! Yes i had just tracked Thomas Loveless married to >Betty...but no more. Strange how these surnames keep changing spelling! I >take back all I have said about Loveless having no connection to Lovelace..! >(Must be my illiterate ancestors...........) Won't keep you Irene, thanks >so much! Have a good night. Carol > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Irene Howgate <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 8:16 PM >Subject: Re: [TOLPUDDLE] Anyone home? > > >> Hiya Carol >> This is great stuff. >> Here is what I have on your Henry. >> If he is >> Henry Matthew Lovelace C 26 Jun 1794 Long Bredy. >> Parents Thomas Lovelace and Elizabeth. >> >> Here is Thomas and Elizabeth marriage >> Thomas Lovelace married Betty Matthews 1 Feb 1787 at Long Bredy Dorset. >> >> I might have more children being born to these two but they moved to >> Powerstock which isn't to far away. >> Oh yeah, Long Bredy is between Bridport and Dorchester. >> Should be on here, got people over but could help myself. >> See Ya >> Irene >> >> >Hi all, is it me or has this site gone very dead lately?? OK I have a >> question for any Loveless's in Dorset?? I have discovered that my >> gggggrandad came from LONG BREDY in Dorset - born 1794 - HENRY LOVELESS. >> Would anyone know where that is? If it still exists? I have also found >in >> the Tolpuddle Records reference to a THOMAS LOVELESS marrying a JANE FRY >in >> LONG BREDY back in 1748 - September. Anyone have any Frys in their gen? >> >How is everyone else doing?? Have you all found your ancestors? Do let >> us know! >> >Carol Park >> > >> > >> >> > > >