Hello Dave. Thanks for your reply. I would like to send you a GEDCOM but I don't have a gedcom program downloaded at the moment. I had had to reboot my C drive a few months ago and lost all the programs I had downloaded. There is a gedcom of my family tree on the Loveless/Lovelace website. Regards Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Doldon <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 1999 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [TOLPUDDLE] Newcomer > Dear Donna, > > I really do want to get into this with you as I have a fair amount of > information that I think you can help with. The problem is that I am in the > middle of moving. I did have time for a quick look and discovered that the > information you questioned was supplied by a professional researcher, many > years ago when my late father started this research. This is what he wrote. > "Thomas Loveless was born on 20th January, 1854, at 2p.m., at Tolpiddle, in > the Sub-district of Piddletown, Dorset, the son of William Loveless, > labourer, by Ellen Loveless formerly Cosh". It certainly sounds as if it was > a copied report from a proper record. The 1851 census shows William 20 > living with his father Edward and also shows Ellen Cosh 18 living with her > father Thomas. I think I will stick to Cosh as it seems correct. I note that > the census also shows an older William Loveless whom seems to be married to > a Rebecca Cosh who I believe is also Thomas's daughter. By the way the > researcher used was a member of the Society of Genealogists and did an > excellent job. > > Can you supply a gedcom of your Loveless lines? Did you have any trouble > with my website? Can you provide the link to the Martyrs? > > Dave > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: D King <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: September 11, 1999 6:10 PM > Subject: Re: [TOLPUDDLE] Newcomer > > > > Hello Dave. Have taken a look at your GEDCOM for the Loveless family. > > > > You have Thomas Loveless's mother down as Ellen COSH whereas I have Ellen > > CORNISH(CORISH). Do you have any documentation on this? I can't remember > > where I got CORNISH from? > > > > Thanks > > > > Donna King > > > > Researching LOVELESS/WHITE/CORNISH/CAKE/HIBBS/HOARE/BARTLETT/LEGG/NASH > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Dave Doldon <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 9:58 PM > > Subject: [TOLPUDDLE] Newcomer > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > I have just discovered this news group and would like to introduce > myself > > as briefly as possible. My name is Dave Doldon and I was born on the south > > coast of England. My mother's name was Annie Loveless and her family is > now > > traced back to John Loveless, who married Judith Hibbs in 1796 in > Tolpuddle. > > I was quite naturally looking for a link to the Martyrs and was unable to > > find one. At the time of my research into her family most of the parish > > registries had not been copied and it was nearly an impossible task. I > then > > got interested in another family line and lately have been quite active in > a > > recently formed onelist group for the name of Muschamp. I currently have a > > database of close to 5000 names, Loveless included. These names can be > seen > > with their connections at http://doldon.tzo.com/GenDoldon/surnames.html or > > http://doldon.tzo.com/GenDoldon/persons.html with the latter just look > for > > Annie Loveless and follow her line.Sorry, but my Welcome Page is under > > construction and ! > > > I am very busy, so it might take awhile to complete. I am interested in > > expanding my database by adding any gedcoms that will connect to my > Loveless > > family. I would still like to see the connection to the Martyrs, cousins > or > > whatever. > > > > > > Dave Doldon > > > B.C. Canada. > > > > > > > > > > >

Dear Donna, I really do want to get into this with you as I have a fair amount of information that I think you can help with. The problem is that I am in the middle of moving. I did have time for a quick look and discovered that the information you questioned was supplied by a professional researcher, many years ago when my late father started this research. This is what he wrote. "Thomas Loveless was born on 20th January, 1854, at 2p.m., at Tolpiddle, in the Sub-district of Piddletown, Dorset, the son of William Loveless, labourer, by Ellen Loveless formerly Cosh". It certainly sounds as if it was a copied report from a proper record. The 1851 census shows William 20 living with his father Edward and also shows Ellen Cosh 18 living with her father Thomas. I think I will stick to Cosh as it seems correct. I note that the census also shows an older William Loveless whom seems to be married to a Rebecca Cosh who I believe is also Thomas's daughter. By the way the researcher used was a member of the Society of Genealogists and did an excellent job. Can you supply a gedcom of your Loveless lines? Did you have any trouble with my website? Can you provide the link to the Martyrs? Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: D King <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: September 11, 1999 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [TOLPUDDLE] Newcomer > Hello Dave. Have taken a look at your GEDCOM for the Loveless family. > > You have Thomas Loveless's mother down as Ellen COSH whereas I have Ellen > CORNISH(CORISH). Do you have any documentation on this? I can't remember > where I got CORNISH from? > > Thanks > > Donna King > > Researching LOVELESS/WHITE/CORNISH/CAKE/HIBBS/HOARE/BARTLETT/LEGG/NASH > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dave Doldon <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 9:58 PM > Subject: [TOLPUDDLE] Newcomer > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I have just discovered this news group and would like to introduce myself > as briefly as possible. My name is Dave Doldon and I was born on the south > coast of England. My mother's name was Annie Loveless and her family is now > traced back to John Loveless, who married Judith Hibbs in 1796 in Tolpuddle. > I was quite naturally looking for a link to the Martyrs and was unable to > find one. At the time of my research into her family most of the parish > registries had not been copied and it was nearly an impossible task. I then > got interested in another family line and lately have been quite active in a > recently formed onelist group for the name of Muschamp. I currently have a > database of close to 5000 names, Loveless included. These names can be seen > with their connections at http://doldon.tzo.com/GenDoldon/surnames.html or > http://doldon.tzo.com/GenDoldon/persons.html with the latter just look for > Annie Loveless and follow her line.Sorry, but my Welcome Page is under > construction and ! > > I am very busy, so it might take awhile to complete. I am interested in > expanding my database by adding any gedcoms that will connect to my Loveless > family. I would still like to see the connection to the Martyrs, cousins or > whatever. > > > > Dave Doldon > > B.C. Canada. > > > > > >

Hello Dave. Have taken a look at your GEDCOM for the Loveless family. You have Thomas Loveless's mother down as Ellen COSH whereas I have Ellen CORNISH(CORISH). Do you have any documentation on this? I can't remember where I got CORNISH from? Thanks Donna King Researching LOVELESS/WHITE/CORNISH/CAKE/HIBBS/HOARE/BARTLETT/LEGG/NASH ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Doldon <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 9:58 PM Subject: [TOLPUDDLE] Newcomer > Hi everyone, > > I have just discovered this news group and would like to introduce myself as briefly as possible. My name is Dave Doldon and I was born on the south coast of England. My mother's name was Annie Loveless and her family is now traced back to John Loveless, who married Judith Hibbs in 1796 in Tolpuddle. I was quite naturally looking for a link to the Martyrs and was unable to find one. At the time of my research into her family most of the parish registries had not been copied and it was nearly an impossible task. I then got interested in another family line and lately have been quite active in a recently formed onelist group for the name of Muschamp. I currently have a database of close to 5000 names, Loveless included. These names can be seen with their connections at http://doldon.tzo.com/GenDoldon/surnames.html or http://doldon.tzo.com/GenDoldon/persons.html with the latter just look for Annie Loveless and follow her line.Sorry, but my Welcome Page is under construction and ! > I am very busy, so it might take awhile to complete. I am interested in expanding my database by adding any gedcoms that will connect to my Loveless family. I would still like to see the connection to the Martyrs, cousins or whatever. > > Dave Doldon > B.C. Canada. > >

Thank you, Geoff!! Fantastic addition to thinking about who went where (Canada) when (after 1836)! I haven't even begun to study who my g-g-grandfather (Samuel SHAVE, father of Rhoda who married Hiram Cornish WAY, son of Susan Corish WAY -nee Loveless) was interested in visiting c. 1880's. They were in Hawley (NW Minnesota) and one of Samuel's son moved to ...I'll have to get the diaries out and recheck so I'm not passing on MIS-information. But, in short....thanks! Jacki Keck - Williston ND USA Researching: CORISH (CORNISH)/DAVIS/LOVELESS/ RICKETTS/SEBLEY/SHAVE/WAY

hi Jacki, Fwiw, James Brine came over to Canada around 1844 with the Lovelesses and his brother Joseph. He had married Elizabeth Standfield, Thomas's daughter in 1839. The Henry James Brine you show came over in 1855, and was instrumental in getting the story of the Martyrs out. He died in Chicago in 1925. regards, Geoff

I have come to believe that the name CORNISH could be found as being spelled CORISH, based on census records. Perhaps the "n" was elided in giving the information to the enumerator...? At any rate, here's what I've found in the Tolpuddle copies which I have: 1861 census: #17 Grace Corish Head 64 Dressmaker b Tolpuddle #20=John Hammett head 39 Bricklayer/ wife=Elizabeth 45 /Martha Lovelefs=sister-in-law 45 Seamstrefs #21=William Lovelefs M 54 Retired grocer #22=William Hammett; #24 Richard Hammett #25 Susan Corish Way Head W 36 Grocer Joseph Robert Corish son 11 Mason apprentice Hiram son 9 [my g-grandfather] John Lovelefs (father); Arthur Lovelefs (brother) #27 Thomas Sargent Head 33 Ag Lab/wife=Ann (Loveless?) John Corish son 12 Ag Lab = four other children Elin Lovlefs = 'mother-in-law' 57 #29 Ann Loveless Head W 75 b. Wimborne Betty Corish lodger W 75 b. Lye Common? #30 Samuel Davidson Head 82 Pensioner from Ireland Dianna=wife 74 b. Tolpuddle Samuel Corish Grandson 8 #33 Thomas Corish Head M 76 Thatcher Elizabeth wife 73 Charles Grandson 16 Thatcher In the 1871 census it looks like there might be a CORISH family, but the writing makes it look like Carish/Caush: #25 Robert Corish Head M 45 Ag Lab b Milborne St Andrew Ellen Corish wife M 43 b Tolpuddle Samuel Corish son 18 'Shepherd Boy' (#30 above?) James Corish son 16 Ag Lab Robert Corish son 15 Ag Lab Amelia Corish dau 10 Fanny Corish dau 9 Thomas Corish son 7 Elizabeth dau 4 Another possibility (William/Ellen Loveless #67) is: #69 Elizabeth Corish Head 83 b Milborne St. Andrew Does anyone have pp 8 and 9 of the 1851 census? Also, are there census listings prior to this date? Jacki Keck - Williams County Genealogical Society Williston ND 58801-4908 USA <[email protected]>

On behalf of the members of the Tolpuddle List I would like to welcome Peter Brine to the List. Peter is interested in exploring a possible connection to the Tolpuddle Martyrs. Peter you will see that we're a quiet group but very friendly and very helpful. Once again, Peter welcome. Donna King Tolpuddle List Manager [email protected] http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/3288 ----- Original Message ----- From: peter.brine <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 11:38 AM Subject: subscribe > This is a request to subscribe after being in contact with Donna King >

A quick glance through the Tolpuddle census that I've copied shows the following: 1851: [p12#47] Charles Brine Head M 40 Shoemaker Master Maria wife 45 George son 17 Shoemaker Henry J. son 15 Shoemaker Charles son 12 Scholar Joseph son 10 Scholar Mary Eliza dau 5 Scholar [p14#56"Farmhouse"] James Brine Head 57 Farmer 1140(?) acres (might be same as TM? - 'employ 40 Lab') Mansel (?) M wife 44 (from 'Wilke Berwick St. John') Anna L. House serv 21 House Servant/Dorset Whitechurch Mary Toogood Matley?18 House Servant/Wilke Berwick [1 house uninhabited; next #57 = William Way Sr] I'm missing pp. 8 & 9 of the 1861, but see no Brines in the rest. 1871 We find Charles again next door to the Crown Inn (#34) with a Loveless household as #28 - (Edward @ 74 y/o; wife Ann - 'Formerly Ag Lab') [p.6#33] Charles Brine Head 60 Shoemaker (Master) Maria Brine wife 65 (Dorset - Briantspuddle) Charles son 3? Gardener (Domestic Serv) ---- Hope this info is of some help -- and welcome! p.s. Does anyone have the data from pp 8 & 9 of 1861 for Tolpuddle? Jacki Keck - Williston ND USA <[email protected]>

Hello David. On behalf of the members of the Tolpuddle List I would like to welcome you to the group. We're a quiet group but very friendly and someone is always ready to lend a helping hand. I believe that we're descended from the same branch of the family as the John Loveless you mentioned is my 5 X great-grandfather. The Marytr connection is from John Loveless's father John Loveless who was born in Tolpuddle, Dorset circa 1731 who was the uncle of George and James Loveless who were the martyrs. I will be checking out your website soon. Once again, welcome to the List. I will send you details on my family separately. Regards Donna King Tolpuddle List Manager ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Doldon <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 9:58 PM Subject: [TOLPUDDLE] Newcomer > Hi everyone, > > I have just discovered this news group and would like to introduce myself as briefly as possible. My name is Dave Doldon and I was born on the south coast of England. My mother's name was Annie Loveless and her family is now traced back to John Loveless, who married Judith Hibbs in 1796 in Tolpuddle. I was quite naturally looking for a link to the Martyrs and was unable to find one. At the time of my research into her family most of the parish registries had not been copied and it was nearly an impossible task. I then got interested in another family line and lately have been quite active in a recently formed onelist group for the name of Muschamp. I currently have a database of close to 5000 names, Loveless included. These names can be seen with their connections at http://doldon.tzo.com/GenDoldon/surnames.html or http://doldon.tzo.com/GenDoldon/persons.html with the latter just look for Annie Loveless and follow her line.Sorry, but my Welcome Page is under construction and ! > I am very busy, so it might take awhile to complete. I am interested in expanding my database by adding any gedcoms that will connect to my Loveless family. I would still like to see the connection to the Martyrs, cousins or whatever. > > Dave Doldon > B.C. Canada. > >

Hello cousins, I've been "lurking" on your list for a while and thought it was time to come out of hiding. I have two seperate Lovelace connections. (I'm also subscribed to the Lovelace list.) What I would like to ask isif Lovelace, Kent, England is near Tolpuddle and is there any connection between the Lovelaces' there and in Tolpuddle. I'm not really sure of the signifigance(sp?) of the Tolpuddle group. Could someone direct me to information? My second Lovelace family is from Anne LOVELACE (b.1610 Lovelace,Kent,England d. 1652/57 in Virginia) who married John Gorsuch. Thanks for your help! Laura [email protected] [email protected] Listowner of KENNON and NEIGHBOURS mailing lists on Rootsweb Publisher of KENNON CHRONICLES and NEIGHBOURS NEWS quarterly newsletters __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

In response to the question from Larua Kennon regarding the significance of the Tolpuddle Lovelesses.... Dorset and Kent are both on the southern extremity of England and are awashed by the English Channel It goes something like this: Cornwall> Devonshire> Dorsetshire> Hampshire> Sussex> Kent [partial quote] "Violence on picket lines and bloody battles between striking workers and police would seem to have little in common wth a little village green in Dorset,yet beneath a giant sycamore at Tolpuddle six farm labourers banded together in 1831 and made a pact which was the beginning of Trade Unionism in England. There was no violence, they were good men and had deep Christian beliefs, but decided to ask for 3 extra shillings a week to 'save their families from starvation and utter degradation.' A judge at Dorchester sent George Loveless and his companions to a penal colony in Australia for 7 years, 'not for anything they had done, but as an example to others.' They were later pardoned." <http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/btomp/tolpuddl.htm [another exerpt] "Tolpuddle is famous as the 'birthplace' of the Trades Union movement throughout the world. In 1834 six farm labourers whose already meagre eages were threatened with a cut, met in Tolpuddle to discuss joint action. Their leaders, James and George Loveless, helped them establish a lodge of the Friendly Society of Agricultural Labourers. The six (the others were James Brine, Thomas Stansfield and his son John, and James Hammett) were arrested for unlawful assembly and charged with 'administering unlawful oaths.' At Dorchester Assizes in March 1834 they were sentenced to seven years transportaiton to the penal colony in Australia However the six men became popular heroes, and a large protest movement formed. In March 1836, the Government was forced to remit the sentences in the face of public pressure. Only one of the six, James Hammett, settled again in Tolpuddle, where he died in 1891. His grave is in the churchyard. Among the others, three emigrated to East London, Ontario, Canada, where John Stanfield eventually became the Mayor of his district after a career as a hotel propietor. George Loveless and his brother James settled on a farm near the small settlement of Siloam, where George died in 1874. For years no one in the area was aware of their past history as they had resolved on reaching Canada not to talk about their transportation. Their descendents live there today." <http://www.dorset-cc.gov.uk/tolpudd.htm> Analysis of the Tolpuddle census listings for 1851/1861/1871 shows a continued proximity and overlapping of the households of Hammetts/Loveless/...my interest comes through the WAY intermarriage into the Loveless line.... If there's interest, I'd be willing to post more, but this may be 'enough, already!' Jacki Keck - Williston ND USA <[email protected]>

Russell, so many thanks for the web site on Long bredy. Have finally had time to sit down and use internet. Yes it came out good and clear for me and lovely to see the 'family seat'!! Thanks again. Carol

Hello Jacki. On behalf of the members of the Tolpuddle List I would like to welcome you to the list. I think that you will find that we're a small list but very friendly. I'm interested in the Corish (Cornish) name as my 2 X great-grandmother was Ellen Cornish from Blandford, Dorset. She married my 2 X great-grandfather William Loveless in 1851. I have not had too much luck with this surname so far. Do you have any information on this surname. I have no Susans listed on my family tree as daughter to John Loveless. My oldest ancestor John Loveless only had a son also named John. This John had five children and as far as I know only William Loveless survived into the 1800s. Does anyone else have any Susan Lovelesses? Once again, Jacki. Welcome to the list. Donna King Tolpuddle List Manager ----- Original Message ----- From: The Kecks <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 1:13 AM Subject: [TOLPUDDLE] JOHN LOVELESS, abt 1799-1871+/Tolpuddle ENG > > Thank you for adding me to your list! > > Hope my g-g-grandmother, Susan Corish (Cornish?) WAY > is the daughter of John Loveless: > > [1871 census, p2#11] John is 72, listed as 'Lodger, > Thatcher, out of employ' in her household > > Susan C. = Head 46 Grocer [Hammetts live next door] > Joseph R.C. WAY = 21 Bricklayer journeyman > Hiram C. WAY [g-g-gf] = 19, also Bricklayer > > [1861 census, p6#25] John is 62, listed as 'Father, Thatcher' > and there's an Arthur Loveless 27 'brother Ag Lab,' > Susan Corish = Head 36 Grocer > Joseph Robert Corish = 11 Mason apprentice > Hiram = 9 Scholar > > [1851 census, p6#22] Susan is married to Joseph WAY > John apparently has his own household > [p4#16 = age wrong, but there's an Arthur the right age; > Susan (26) might be a little old for the 38-y/o wife, tho] > > How does John fit into the LOVELESS data? > > How do he and, i.e., Edward relate to George and James > who went to Canada c. 1836? > > Thanks for your help. > > Jacki Keck - Williams County Genealogical Society > Williston ND USA > Co-editor: NDSGS Newsletter > > <[email protected]> > > > >

Thank you for adding me to your list! Hope my g-g-grandmother, Susan Corish (Cornish?) WAY is the daughter of John Loveless: [1871 census, p2#11] John is 72, listed as 'Lodger, Thatcher, out of employ' in her household Susan C. = Head 46 Grocer [Hammetts live next door] Joseph R.C. WAY = 21 Bricklayer journeyman Hiram C. WAY [g-g-gf] = 19, also Bricklayer [1861 census, p6#25] John is 62, listed as 'Father, Thatcher' and there's an Arthur Loveless 27 'brother Ag Lab,' Susan Corish = Head 36 Grocer Joseph Robert Corish = 11 Mason apprentice Hiram = 9 Scholar [1851 census, p6#22] Susan is married to Joseph WAY John apparently has his own household [p4#16 = age wrong, but there's an Arthur the right age; Susan (26) might be a little old for the 38-y/o wife, tho] How does John fit into the LOVELESS data? How do he and, i.e., Edward relate to George and James who went to Canada c. 1836? Thanks for your help. Jacki Keck - Williams County Genealogical Society Williston ND USA Co-editor: NDSGS Newsletter <[email protected]>

Tolpuddlians: The letter below was posted to the LOVELACE list earlier this evening. I usually do a personal note to folks such as these directing them to your list, but don't have time this evening to do it. Keep in mind that Jacki is probably not subbed to your list, so any replies should be directed to her personally. When I get a chance, I'll tell her about Tolpuddle-L, unless one of you beats me to it :-) Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg ================= Thank you for adding me to your list! Hope my g-g-grandmother, Susan Corish (Cornish?) WAY is the daughter of John Loveless: [1871 census, p2#11] John is 72, listed as 'Lodger, Thatcher, out of employ' in her household Susan C. = Head 46 Grocer [Hammetts live next door] Joseph R.C. WAY = 21 Bricklayer journeyman Hiram C. WAY [g-g-gf] = 19, also Bricklayer [1861 census, p6#25] John is 62, listed as 'Father, Thatcher' and there's an Arthur Loveless 27 'brother Ag Lab,' Susan Corish = Head 36 Grocer Joseph Robert Corish = 11 Mason apprentice Hiram = 9 Scholar [1851 census, p6#22] Susan is married to Joseph WAY John apparently has his own household [p4#16 = age wrong, but there's an Arthur the right age; Susan (26) might be a little old for the 38-y/o wife, tho] How does John fit into the LOVELESS data? How do he and, i.e., Edward relate to George and James who went to Canada c. 1836? Thanks for your help. Jacki Keck - Williams County Genealogical Society Williston ND USA Co-editor: NDSGS Newsletter <[email protected]>

Hi Donna, I have the following, but its likely what you have already. I believe parts came from you and Irene. Sidney Loveless settled in London, Ontario. regards, Geoff Descendants of William Loveless 1 LOVELESS, William 1831 - 1907 .. +CORNISH, Helen ........ 2 LOVELESS, John 1852 - ........ 2 LOVELESS, Thomas 1854 - ........ 2 LOVELESS, Betsy 1854 - ........ 2 LOVELESS, Sidney 1857 - 1942 ............ +BOLTON, ? ........ *2nd Wife of LOVELESS, Sidney: ............ +DEVOY, Martha 1844 - 1915 ................... 3 LOVELESS, Thomas Frederick 1881 - 1940 ....................... +LOVELESS?, Harriet Cornelia 1888 - 1970 ................... 3 LOVELESS, John Alfred 1878 - 1879 ................... 3 LOVELESS, Florence ....................... +BOLTON, Hugh ................... 3 LOVELESS, Jessie 1880 - 1881 ........ 2 LOVELESS, Walter 1859 - ........ 2 LOVELESS, Frank 1861 - ........ 2 LOVELESS, Robert 1862 - ........ 2 LOVELESS, Martha 1864 - ............ +CAKE, Charles ........ 2 LOVELESS, George 1866 - 1946 ............ +DRAKE, Mary ........ 2 LOVELESS, Hiram 1868 - 1946 ............ +MITCHELL, Rose ........ 2 LOVELESS, Fred 1870 - ............ +MITCHELL, Alice ........ 2 LOVELESS, Charles 1871 - ........ 2 LOVELESS, Kate 1873 - ............ +WHITE, Henry John ................... 3 WHITE, Annie 1894 - 1956 ....................... +NASH, Albert ........ 2 LOVELESS, Louis William 1874 -

Hi there! My great-grandmother Kate Loveless had numerous brothers and sisters. The information that I have on them is as follows: John Loveless born 1852 Thomas Loveless born 1854 Betsy Loveless born 1855 Sidney Loveless born 1857 Walter Loveless born 1859 Frank Loveless born 1861 Robert Loveless born 1863 Martha Loveless born 1865 George Loveless born 1866 Hiram Loveless born 1868 Fred Loveless born 1870 Charles Loveless born 1871 Lewis Loveless born 1874 All mentioned above possibly born at Tolpuddle, Dorset, England If anyone has any information on any of the above I would be pleased to hear from you. I had at one time inquired as to receive the parish records from Tolpuddle but the financial cost to me would of been too great. Any information and/or suggestions gratefully received. If anyone would like a readout of Lovelesses/Lovelaces from the 1881 census for a particular town or county plse email me privately. Regards Donna King [email protected] http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/3288

Thanks for that Irene. The dates you gave me before for the Powerstock Lovelaces would not work for Henry's parents as according to the 1851 census Dad would have only been 2 years old when he married Henry's mum......anyway look forward to hearing if you have anymore. I would guess there was another Thomas Lovelace in there somewhere, brother to Henry - first born son, maybe born around 1788/90?? Or maybe they had a Thomas before their marriage....? In 1785? That might be the Powerstock Thomas who was 66 in 1851??? Food for thought. How goes life? Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: Irene Howgate <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 06, 1999 8:44 AM Subject: [TOLPUDDLE] Lovelace/Matthews > Hi all > Just to clear things up. > > In the BVRI there is a marriage > LOVELACE Thomas > wife Betty MATTHEWS > Marriage Date 1 Feb 1787 > Recorded in LONG BREDY, DORSET, ENGLAND. > Then there is > LOVELACE Henry Matthew > Christened 26 Jun 1794 > Parents Thomas LOVELACE & Elizabeth > Recorded in LONG BREDY, DORSET, ENGLAND. > > Now I don't know about the rest of your but I would call > SNAP to these two. I would also think that there would be more children > between the marriage in 1787 and the christ/birth of Henry in 1794. > Carol I did send you a Loveless family from Powerstock that I still feel > are connected but I could be wrong. I have more info being sent > on them. Powerstock is just above Long Predy in Dorset. > > Hi Barb I am trying to work on the Aussie Loveless/Lovelace's and have > found another cousin connected to Henry Lovelace from Castlemaine, hope to > have her info this week. > Bye > Irene > > > >Barb - couldn't help noticing the Long Bredy bit about Thomas Lovelass > >marrying Elizabeth Mathews in 1780s. Not sure where you got this from but > >I have been researching my ggggrandad Henry's parents who I believe were > >Thomas and Elizabeth of Long Bredy who married in 1787. Irene gave me > >'Mathews' however we have since discovered that this was another Elizabeth > >from Powerstock who also married a Thomas Lovel(ace) - he was born in 1875 > >so his wife was no doubt born around the same time. > >Just wondering whether there is a confusion here or whether you have more > >info. about the Long Bredy Loveless's?? Carol > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Barbara <[email protected]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Sunday, September 05, 1999 3:16 PM > >Subject: Re: [TOLPUDDLE] Edward Hawkins Lovelace/William Edward Lovelace > > > > > >> Hi Mandy, > >> Have just looked up my photocopy of the IGI, and you may be right, but > >there > >> are two > >> different call numbers for these gentlemen. > >> Edward Hawkins Lovelace b (for Born) 20 Dec 1851, Finesbury, Saint Luke > >> 01 Dec 1955 - 15 Feb 1956 SG - 29 Jan 1986LD > >> Batch/Film No 8420790 Sheet 80 > >> > >> William Edward Lovelace b (for Born) 20 Dec 1851- No church named - > >> 1 Dec 1955 - 15 Feb 1956 SG - Pre- 1970 - > >> Batch/Film No 0452016 - Sheet Film. > >> > >> I do not know enough about the IGI setup so have just listed what is > >shown. > >> The problem with the IGI is that there are not the deaths listed as of > >> course > >> that is not the purpose of the lisitings. Perhaps if there was only > >one > >> child his name could be William Edward Hawkins Lovelace ??? > >> > >> If you have been reading about Long Bredy you will notice Thomas > >> Lovlass married Elizabeth Matthews there in 1780's, now my Benjamin > >> Lovelace married Frances Matthews in Wells, Somerset in 1796. > >> > >> > >> Have just been doing some research on the Aussie lines, and found > >> a Laura Ann Lovelace married William Henry Collins in 1915. > >> Laura died in 1948 and lo and behold her parents were Marcus Brutus > >> Lovelace and Mary Ann Watley. From London, England. > >> Had a squiz at the IGI and Marcus Brutus Lovelace was christened > >> on the 13 Sep 1835, St Pancras Old Church - parents > >> John Lovelace and Mary Gaunt. He also had a brother Charles Frederick > >> Lovelace, christened 25 Jul 1832 at the same church. > >> > >> Regards Barb Lewis. > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: John O. Andersen <[email protected]> > >> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > >> Date: Saturday, 4 September 1999 6:33 PM > >> Subject: [TOLPUDDLE] Edward Hawkins Lovelace/William Edward Lovelace > >> > >> > >> >Barb - I called my mother last night with some of the information you > >sent > >> >to me, that I felt was news to her. She told me that Edward Hawkins > >> >Lovelace and William Edward Lovelace were the same person. I forgot to > >> >suggest to her that there may have been a twin, but as this was her > >> >grandfather, I feel inclined to accept her thoughts. I will broach the > >> >subject the next time we talk. > >> >Mary Ann Lovelace WAS news! (so maybe a twin might not be out of the > >> >question?....) Thank you so much for the information. > >> > > >> >Mandy Andersen > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >

Hello Barb, In a former life (ie. pre-marriage, pre-motherhood, pre-emmigration etc.) I was a Director of a fledgling LDS FHC in Reading, Berkshire. It was a long time ago, but I do remember some things about the IGI. Looking at the Batch numbers for the two entries - they are all numerical, which indicates that these were submitted by relations of these gentleman/men. I would bet my bottom dollar that my family is responsible for at least one of them (if not both).......my grandmother probably submitted the William Edward Lovelace (her father) and then the 29 Jan 1986 date for Edward Hawkins Lovelace would be the submission from my mother (his granddaughter) before they had confirmation that they were the same person. I do want to make sure that these were not twins - I need to talk to my mother more about this. The dates following the location of the event are LDS ordnance dates which are irrelevant to the dates of christening/birth/ marriage dates. (The initials eg. LD refer to London - where the information was submitted). I hope this helps somewhat. Re: the Australian connection.....I wonder if my Benjamin would be a brother to Marcus Brutus and Charles Fredrick - datewise, he could fit in with a birth of 6 Jan 1824 if there were others between them.....it's so hard resisting the urge to clutch at straws! Mandy ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 1999 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [TOLPUDDLE] Edward Hawkins Lovelace/William Edward Lovelace > Hi Mandy, > Have just looked up my photocopy of the IGI, and you may be right, but there > are two > different call numbers for these gentlemen. > Edward Hawkins Lovelace b (for Born) 20 Dec 1851, Finesbury, Saint Luke > 01 Dec 1955 - 15 Feb 1956 SG - 29 Jan 1986LD > Batch/Film No 8420790 Sheet 80 > > William Edward Lovelace b (for Born) 20 Dec 1851- No church named - > 1 Dec 1955 - 15 Feb 1956 SG - Pre- 1970 - > Batch/Film No 0452016 - Sheet Film. > > I do not know enough about the IGI setup so have just listed what is shown. > The problem with the IGI is that there are not the deaths listed as of > course > that is not the purpose of the lisitings. Perhaps if there was only one > child his name could be William Edward Hawkins Lovelace ??? > > If you have been reading about Long Bredy you will notice Thomas > Lovlass married Elizabeth Matthews there in 1780's, now my Benjamin > Lovelace married Frances Matthews in Wells, Somerset in 1796. > > > Have just been doing some research on the Aussie lines, and found > a Laura Ann Lovelace married William Henry Collins in 1915. > Laura died in 1948 and lo and behold her parents were Marcus Brutus > Lovelace and Mary Ann Watley. From London, England. > Had a squiz at the IGI and Marcus Brutus Lovelace was christened > on the 13 Sep 1835, St Pancras Old Church - parents > John Lovelace and Mary Gaunt. He also had a brother Charles Frederick > Lovelace, christened 25 Jul 1832 at the same church. > > Regards Barb Lewis.

Hi all Just to clear things up. In the BVRI there is a marriage LOVELACE Thomas wife Betty MATTHEWS Marriage Date 1 Feb 1787 Recorded in LONG BREDY, DORSET, ENGLAND. Then there is LOVELACE Henry Matthew Christened 26 Jun 1794 Parents Thomas LOVELACE & Elizabeth Recorded in LONG BREDY, DORSET, ENGLAND. Now I don't know about the rest of your but I would call SNAP to these two. I would also think that there would be more children between the marriage in 1787 and the christ/birth of Henry in 1794. Carol I did send you a Loveless family from Powerstock that I still feel are connected but I could be wrong. I have more info being sent on them. Powerstock is just above Long Predy in Dorset. Hi Barb I am trying to work on the Aussie Loveless/Lovelace's and have found another cousin connected to Henry Lovelace from Castlemaine, hope to have her info this week. Bye Irene >Barb - couldn't help noticing the Long Bredy bit about Thomas Lovelass >marrying Elizabeth Mathews in 1780s. Not sure where you got this from but >I have been researching my ggggrandad Henry's parents who I believe were >Thomas and Elizabeth of Long Bredy who married in 1787. Irene gave me >'Mathews' however we have since discovered that this was another Elizabeth >from Powerstock who also married a Thomas Lovel(ace) - he was born in 1875 >so his wife was no doubt born around the same time. >Just wondering whether there is a confusion here or whether you have more >info. about the Long Bredy Loveless's?? Carol >----- Original Message ----- >From: Barbara <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Sunday, September 05, 1999 3:16 PM >Subject: Re: [TOLPUDDLE] Edward Hawkins Lovelace/William Edward Lovelace > > >> Hi Mandy, >> Have just looked up my photocopy of the IGI, and you may be right, but >there >> are two >> different call numbers for these gentlemen. >> Edward Hawkins Lovelace b (for Born) 20 Dec 1851, Finesbury, Saint Luke >> 01 Dec 1955 - 15 Feb 1956 SG - 29 Jan 1986LD >> Batch/Film No 8420790 Sheet 80 >> >> William Edward Lovelace b (for Born) 20 Dec 1851- No church named - >> 1 Dec 1955 - 15 Feb 1956 SG - Pre- 1970 - >> Batch/Film No 0452016 - Sheet Film. >> >> I do not know enough about the IGI setup so have just listed what is >shown. >> The problem with the IGI is that there are not the deaths listed as of >> course >> that is not the purpose of the lisitings. Perhaps if there was only >one >> child his name could be William Edward Hawkins Lovelace ??? >> >> If you have been reading about Long Bredy you will notice Thomas >> Lovlass married Elizabeth Matthews there in 1780's, now my Benjamin >> Lovelace married Frances Matthews in Wells, Somerset in 1796. >> >> >> Have just been doing some research on the Aussie lines, and found >> a Laura Ann Lovelace married William Henry Collins in 1915. >> Laura died in 1948 and lo and behold her parents were Marcus Brutus >> Lovelace and Mary Ann Watley. From London, England. >> Had a squiz at the IGI and Marcus Brutus Lovelace was christened >> on the 13 Sep 1835, St Pancras Old Church - parents >> John Lovelace and Mary Gaunt. He also had a brother Charles Frederick >> Lovelace, christened 25 Jul 1832 at the same church. >> >> Regards Barb Lewis. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: John O. Andersen <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> Date: Saturday, 4 September 1999 6:33 PM >> Subject: [TOLPUDDLE] Edward Hawkins Lovelace/William Edward Lovelace >> >> >> >Barb - I called my mother last night with some of the information you >sent >> >to me, that I felt was news to her. She told me that Edward Hawkins >> >Lovelace and William Edward Lovelace were the same person. I forgot to >> >suggest to her that there may have been a twin, but as this was her >> >grandfather, I feel inclined to accept her thoughts. I will broach the >> >subject the next time we talk. >> >Mary Ann Lovelace WAS news! (so maybe a twin might not be out of the >> >question?....) Thank you so much for the information. >> > >> >Mandy Andersen >> > >> >> >> >> > >