Are the Lumbee Indians part of the Cherokee Nations? H Barry -------------- Original message from "Coats Family History" <coats.genealogy@gmail.com>: -------------- > Judy, you won't happen to be related to the Mrs. Bean that Nancy Ward > saved would you? > > Just wondering.... > > I think most records for Indians are on the rolls...or the recognized > tribes...for Cherokee it's the old rolls in NC or the Dawes in > Oklahoma....but those are the only *official* records that I know > of... > > Char > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Judy Bean wrote: > > I am trying to find out if there is anyone who researches possible Cherokee > ancestry in Wilson County, or if there is a website on that topic. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > A shameless plug for my web activities: > > Support Authentic Cherokee Art - ask for the Artist's Tribal > registration number before you buy!! Cherokee Style, Cherokee Heritage > and Cherokee Descent all mean non Indian! > > Indian Arts and Craft Act: > http://nativeamericanlawus.blogspot.com > > Cherokee Basket Weaver's Association: > http://www.cherokeebasketweaversassociation.org > > Cherokee Basketweaving Books: > http://www.lulu.com/groups/indianbasketweaving > > Cherokee Artists Association > http://www.cherokeeartistsassociation.org > > Cherokees of Orange County > http://www.cherokeesoforangecounty.org > > Visit the Family History Store at LuLu: > http://stores.lulu.com/pagesthroughtime > or > http://www.pagesthroughtime.us > > Can't find the records you need and you're a male surnamed Coats or > varitation, order a DNA kit to join our DNA project: > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=A59642&special=True > > Coats Archive > http://www.coatsarchive.us > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

No the Lumbee Indians are not part of the Eastern Band of Cherokee. They are in North Caolina, but are near the coast. Today they are in commerce and banking. I receive a monthly email regarding the state of Virgina called Virginia is for Lovers. And I have found the history of Virginia on these sites. They have talked about the early Cherokees and showed maps of their large early territory which did include the western side of Virginia, and as I remember went into even what we call Indiana today. Here is a link on a history of the Indian groups in what we today call Virginia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Virginia#Native_Americans Hope this link works. Donna --- bary4579@bellsouth.net wrote: > Are the Lumbee Indians part of the Cherokee Nations? > H Barry > -------------- Original message from "Coats Family > History" <coats.genealogy@gmail.com>: -------------- > > > > > Judy, you won't happen to be related to the Mrs. > Bean that Nancy Ward > > saved would you? > > > > Just wondering.... > > > > I think most records for Indians are on the > rolls...or the recognized > > tribes...for Cherokee it's the old rolls in NC or > the Dawes in > > Oklahoma....but those are the only *official* > records that I know > > of... > > > > Char > > > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Judy Bean wrote: > > > > I am trying to find out if there is anyone who > researches possible Cherokee > > ancestry in Wilson County, or if there is a > website on that topic. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to > > TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > A shameless plug for my web activities: > > > > Support Authentic Cherokee Art - ask for the > Artist's Tribal > > registration number before you buy!! Cherokee > Style, Cherokee Heritage > > and Cherokee Descent all mean non Indian! > > > > Indian Arts and Craft Act: > > http://nativeamericanlawus.blogspot.com > > > > Cherokee Basket Weaver's Association: > > http://www.cherokeebasketweaversassociation.org > > > > Cherokee Basketweaving Books: > > http://www.lulu.com/groups/indianbasketweaving > > > > Cherokee Artists Association > > http://www.cherokeeartistsassociation.org > > > > Cherokees of Orange County > > http://www.cherokeesoforangecounty.org > > > > Visit the Family History Store at LuLu: > > http://stores.lulu.com/pagesthroughtime > > or > > http://www.pagesthroughtime.us > > > > Can't find the records you need and you're a male > surnamed Coats or > > varitation, order a DNA kit to join our DNA > project: > > > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=A59642&special=True > > > > > Coats Archive > > http://www.coatsarchive.us > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > > TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster Total Access for one month at no cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text4.com

Not that I'm aware of...in Oklahoma the Delaware are on the Cherokee Rolls, oh and I forgot the UKB Cherokees, that's United Keetawah Band of Cherokee, they're a band off the Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma and are recognized, the UKB consider themselves the traditionalists of the Tribe in Oklahoma....the Delaware and UKB come under the umbrella of the Cherokee Nation and in the case of the Delaware are not Cherokee but Delaware but I don't know, that Dawes dude did a real number on all the Indians in the Indian Territory in Oklahoma...even some Seminoles can be found in Oklahoma...it was kind of the dumping ground for Indians and the US didn't really care who was or wasn't there...anyway, the Delaware are really Delaware but they're on the Cherokee Dawes Roll...go figure....:) Who is or isn't an Indian is quickly becoming a real political hot topic....there were never any Cherokee as far north as VA as I recall...so those groups in VA have some real iffy things going on...by the way, pow wows are not traditional...that was just the way Indians got together about the 1950s after years of not being allowed to gather and do any dances...the ghost dance was completely outlawed...scared the whites, who thought the Indians were conjuring up some sort of spirits when in fact they were just asking for a blessing...misunderstood culture... Anyway...you'll see a lot of info on this or that...but when it comes to Cherokee if they are not a member of the Nation in Tahlequah OK or UKB there or the NC Qualla Band of Cherokee, nine chances out of ten they are not Cherokee but have a story of a Cherokee Ancestor but can't prove it... Char On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 8:25 PM, <bary4579@bellsouth.net> wrote: > Are the Lumbee Indians part of the Cherokee Nations? H Barry > -------------- Original message from "Coats Family History" <coats.genealogy@gmail.com>: -------------- > > > > Judy, you won't happen to be related to the Mrs. Bean that Nancy Ward > > saved would you? > > > > Just wondering.... > > > > I think most records for Indians are on the rolls...or the recognized > > tribes...for Cherokee it's the old rolls in NC or the Dawes in > > Oklahoma....but those are the only *official* records that I know > > of... > > > > Char > > > > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Judy Bean wrote: > > > I am trying to find out if there is anyone who researches possible Cherokee > > ancestry in Wilson County, or if there is a website on that topic. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > A shameless plug for my web activities: > > > > Support Authentic Cherokee Art - ask for the Artist's Tribal > > registration number before you buy!! Cherokee Style, Cherokee Heritage > > and Cherokee Descent all mean non Indian! > > > > Indian Arts and Craft Act: > > http://nativeamericanlawus.blogspot.com > > > > Cherokee Basket Weaver's Association: > > http://www.cherokeebasketweaversassociation.org > > > > Cherokee Basketweaving Books: > > http://www.lulu.com/groups/indianbasketweaving > > > > Cherokee Artists Association > > http://www.cherokeeartistsassociation.org > > > > Cherokees of Orange County > > http://www.cherokeesoforangecounty.org > > > > Visit the Family History Store at LuLu: > > http://stores.lulu.com/pagesthroughtime > > or > > http://www.pagesthroughtime.us > > > > Can't find the records you need and you're a male surnamed Coats or > > varitation, order a DNA kit to join our DNA project: > > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=A59642&special=True > > > > Coats Archive > > http://www.coatsarchive.us > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- A shameless plug for my web activities: Support Authentic Cherokee Art - ask for the Artist's Tribal registration number before you buy!! Cherokee Style, Cherokee Heritage and Cherokee Descent all mean non Indian! Indian Arts and Craft Act: http://nativeamericanlawus.blogspot.com Cherokee Basket Weaver's Association: http://www.cherokeebasketweaversassociation.org Cherokee Basketweaving Books: http://www.lulu.com/groups/indianbasketweaving Cherokee Artists Association http://www.cherokeeartistsassociation.org Cherokees of Orange County http://www.cherokeesoforangecounty.org Visit the Family History Store at LuLu: http://stores.lulu.com/pagesthroughtime or http://www.pagesthroughtime.us Can't find the records you need and you're a male surnamed Coats or varitation, order a DNA kit to join our DNA project: http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=A59642&special=True Coats Archive http://www.coatsarchive.us

Now you folks have gotten me curious for I was married to Marie Givan of Watertown, Tennessee who was married to Cheatham Russell who died in a traffic accident. Cheatham had folks who were Latter Day Saints and they allegedly had traced both his and Marie's ancestry. She lost the paperwork, but prior to her own death, had told me she was descended from the brother of the Apache Geronimo. I have never been able to determine what this brother's name was. At the time of our discussion she was ashamed of the fact because her particular lineage allegedly started when Geronimo's brother raped a white woman. I told her she had nothing to be ashamed of for the Apaches were a proud bunch and in Geronimo's own biography he stated that Apache youth started running at age five and by the time they had reached manhood they could cover a hundred miles per day on foot! Geronimo was never a chief though and if anyone knows for sure what his brother's name is then I would relish your reply. Thanks L.T.Jenkins 3215 Coles Ferry Pike Lebanon, Tennessee 37087 _Jenkinsrawhide@aol.com_ (mailto:Jenkinsrawhide@aol.com) **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001)

If Imogene Bennett sees this please respond to me about a Wilson County Wood family. I know there are more than one. Judy Bean judybean@mindspring.com

Oh, with all due respect folks...this is not a Cherokee Tribe....now with that said, I do believe there is a *real* group of Cherokee in TN but exactly where I don't know...I also know that TN is going to recognize some of these groups, which I don't know or what their requirements are, I don't know...however, most states don't have a really good process for recognition purposes since this is all rather new to them...the requirements for Federal recognition are much higher... You really need to be careful with these groups....I mean really really careful...some of them will sell you memberships and give you a card, some encourage illegal immigrants to join...these types of groups are popping up all over the country and most of them are not legit, currently if it's not listed on the DOI websites as recognized either Federal or State recognition, they are not considered a legitimate *tribe*.... You'll get seriously snukered if you're not aware....:( There are two and only two Federally Recognized Cherokee Tribes - one on the Qualla Reservation in NC and the other in Tahlequah Oklahoma...there is only 1 state recognized Cherokee tribe and I believe that is in AL That's it... Anyone can claim Indian Ancestry it's a whole nuther thing to be able to prove it...so be aware...:) Also be aware many folks will snucker you into thinking they know all about the traditional culture...unless you are Indian, live on a reservation or were raised Indian and then all families and traditions are different, you won't know what is or is not traditional and these folks have no clue what any of the traditions are... Here is some insight into how Indians view *wannabees*: http://threeoaks.dakotablogs.com/2008/02/03/ Char On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Donna Fischer <donna_fischer2003@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hello Char, > > Are you aware of this group of people in Virginia who > descend from Cherokee Indians? > > http://www.wolfcreekcherokeetribe.com/ > > They are not an official tribe with federal > recognition but are a group of Chereokee descendants. > This would most likely be the group that persons > without tribal affiliation would need to check with. > > Many people know that their ancestors were not > enrolled in a tribe in the early part of the 1900's. > That is far too recent. We are looking at descendency > back in the 1700's. I think that this group may have > some resources that anyone interested in finding their > Cherokee roots could use. > > http://www.wolfcreekcherokeetribe.com/ > > > Donna > > --- Coats Family History <coats.genealogy@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Sorry, in most of these cases you can not prove any > > Indian > > Ancestry....unless you can find I don't know...old > > jounals...there are > > many grandma was a *Cherokee Princess* family > > stories but most of them > > are not true and unless you are associated with or > > member of one of > > the tribes you can't prove you are Indian... > > > > You might look on the Guion Miller roll, that was a > > roll taken in the > > early 1900s, shows where folks were living at the > > time the made > > application for damages they suffered when moved > > from their homeland > > etc or suffered from whites taking their land in the > > east... > > > > But I have to tell you, unless you can find > > documentation that you are > > indeed Cherokee, you are not recognized by the > > Federal Government as > > Cherokee...let's see I think there is one state > > recognized tribe in > > AL... > > > > The Cherokee in North Carolina now have closed > > enrollment which means > > they are not enrolling anyone else, they have a > > blood quantum as well, > > which keeps changing so not sure what it is now... > > > > Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma requires that you be > > able to trace back to > > a Cherokee Ancestor on the Dawes Roll...even if > > you're Cherokee, if > > you don't have an Ancestor on that roll, you can not > > become a Citizen > > of the Tribe... > > > > Char > > > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Donna Fischer > > <donna_fischer2003@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Hello my question is: > > > > > > But what about people who were say 1/4 Cherokee > > > ancestry when they moved to Wilson Co. Tennessee > > from > > > Virginia in say 1805. They could have been > > related to > > > the Cherokee that were located in Virginia in the > > > 1700's. How would you trace that since they may > > not > > > have claimed being a part of the tribe in the late > > > 1700's since they did not live with the tribe? > > And > > > may not have even known early in their life who > > their > > > father was. Then what would you use to find the > > > Cherokee ancestry? > > > > > > Donna > > > > > > > > > --- Coats Family History > > <coats.genealogy@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Judy, you won't happen to be related to the Mrs. > > > > Bean that Nancy Ward > > > > saved would you? > > > > > > > > Just wondering.... > > > > > > > > I think most records for Indians are on the > > > > rolls...or the recognized > > > > tribes...for Cherokee it's the old rolls in NC > > or > > > > the Dawes in > > > > Oklahoma....but those are the only *official* > > > > records that I know > > > > of... > > > > > > > > Char > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Judy Bean > > > > <judybean@mindspring.com> wrote: > > > > > I am trying to find out if there is anyone who > > > > researches possible Cherokee ancestry in Wilson > > > > County, or if there is a website on that topic. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > > email > > > > to TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > > and > > > > the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > A shameless plug for my web activities: > > > > > > > > Support Authentic Cherokee Art - ask for the > > > > Artist's Tribal > > > > registration number before you buy!! Cherokee > > Style, > > > > Cherokee Heritage > > > > and Cherokee Descent all mean non Indian! > > > > > > > > Indian Arts and Craft Act: > > > > http://nativeamericanlawus.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > Cherokee Basket Weaver's Association: > > > > http://www.cherokeebasketweaversassociation.org > > > > > > > > Cherokee Basketweaving Books: > > > > http://www.lulu.com/groups/indianbasketweaving > > > > > > > > Cherokee Artists Association > > > > http://www.cherokeeartistsassociation.org > > > > > > > > Cherokees of Orange County > > > > http://www.cherokeesoforangecounty.org > > > > > > > > Visit the Family History Store at LuLu: > > > > http://stores.lulu.com/pagesthroughtime > > > > or > > > > http://www.pagesthroughtime.us > > > > > > > > Can't find the records you need and you're a > > male > > > > surnamed Coats or > > > > varitation, order a DNA kit to join our DNA > > project: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=A59642&special=True > > > > > > > > Coats Archive > > > > http://www.coatsarchive.us > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > > email > > > > to TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > > and > > > > the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > > Like movies? 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Cherokee Style, > > Cherokee Heritage > > and Cherokee Descent all mean non Indian! > > > > Indian Arts and Craft Act: > > http://nativeamericanlawus.blogspot.com > > > > Cherokee Basket Weaver's Association: > > http://www.cherokeebasketweaversassociation.org > > > > Cherokee Basketweaving Books: > > http://www.lulu.com/groups/indianbasketweaving > > > > Cherokee Artists Association > > http://www.cherokeeartistsassociation.org > > > > Cherokees of Orange County > > http://www.cherokeesoforangecounty.org > > > > Visit the Family History Store at LuLu: > > http://stores.lulu.com/pagesthroughtime > > or > > > === message truncated === > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > OMG, Sweet deal for Yahoo! users/friends:Get A Month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. 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Hello Char, Are you aware of this group of people in Virginia who descend from Cherokee Indians? http://www.wolfcreekcherokeetribe.com/ They are not an official tribe with federal recognition but are a group of Chereokee descendants. This would most likely be the group that persons without tribal affiliation would need to check with. Many people know that their ancestors were not enrolled in a tribe in the early part of the 1900's. That is far too recent. We are looking at descendency back in the 1700's. I think that this group may have some resources that anyone interested in finding their Cherokee roots could use. http://www.wolfcreekcherokeetribe.com/ Donna --- Coats Family History <coats.genealogy@gmail.com> wrote: > Sorry, in most of these cases you can not prove any > Indian > Ancestry....unless you can find I don't know...old > jounals...there are > many grandma was a *Cherokee Princess* family > stories but most of them > are not true and unless you are associated with or > member of one of > the tribes you can't prove you are Indian... > > You might look on the Guion Miller roll, that was a > roll taken in the > early 1900s, shows where folks were living at the > time the made > application for damages they suffered when moved > from their homeland > etc or suffered from whites taking their land in the > east... > > But I have to tell you, unless you can find > documentation that you are > indeed Cherokee, you are not recognized by the > Federal Government as > Cherokee...let's see I think there is one state > recognized tribe in > AL... > > The Cherokee in North Carolina now have closed > enrollment which means > they are not enrolling anyone else, they have a > blood quantum as well, > which keeps changing so not sure what it is now... > > Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma requires that you be > able to trace back to > a Cherokee Ancestor on the Dawes Roll...even if > you're Cherokee, if > you don't have an Ancestor on that roll, you can not > become a Citizen > of the Tribe... > > Char > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Donna Fischer > <donna_fischer2003@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Hello my question is: > > > > But what about people who were say 1/4 Cherokee > > ancestry when they moved to Wilson Co. Tennessee > from > > Virginia in say 1805. They could have been > related to > > the Cherokee that were located in Virginia in the > > 1700's. How would you trace that since they may > not > > have claimed being a part of the tribe in the late > > 1700's since they did not live with the tribe? > And > > may not have even known early in their life who > their > > father was. Then what would you use to find the > > Cherokee ancestry? > > > > Donna > > > > > > --- Coats Family History > <coats.genealogy@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Judy, you won't happen to be related to the Mrs. > > > Bean that Nancy Ward > > > saved would you? > > > > > > Just wondering.... > > > > > > I think most records for Indians are on the > > > rolls...or the recognized > > > tribes...for Cherokee it's the old rolls in NC > or > > > the Dawes in > > > Oklahoma....but those are the only *official* > > > records that I know > > > of... > > > > > > Char > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Judy Bean > > > <judybean@mindspring.com> wrote: > > > > I am trying to find out if there is anyone who > > > researches possible Cherokee ancestry in Wilson > > > County, or if there is a website on that topic. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email > > > to TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and > > > the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > A shameless plug for my web activities: > > > > > > Support Authentic Cherokee Art - ask for the > > > Artist's Tribal > > > registration number before you buy!! Cherokee > Style, > > > Cherokee Heritage > > > and Cherokee Descent all mean non Indian! > > > > > > Indian Arts and Craft Act: > > > http://nativeamericanlawus.blogspot.com > > > > > > Cherokee Basket Weaver's Association: > > > http://www.cherokeebasketweaversassociation.org > > > > > > Cherokee Basketweaving Books: > > > http://www.lulu.com/groups/indianbasketweaving > > > > > > Cherokee Artists Association > > > http://www.cherokeeartistsassociation.org > > > > > > Cherokees of Orange County > > > http://www.cherokeesoforangecounty.org > > > > > > Visit the Family History Store at LuLu: > > > http://stores.lulu.com/pagesthroughtime > > > or > > > http://www.pagesthroughtime.us > > > > > > Can't find the records you need and you're a > male > > > surnamed Coats or > > > varitation, order a DNA kit to join our DNA > project: > > > > > > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=A59642&special=True > > > > > > Coats Archive > > > http://www.coatsarchive.us > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email > > > to TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and > > > the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Like movies? 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Benjamin ALEXANDER b. 04 Mar 1783 Alamance, Guilford Co., North Carolina d. 21 Jul 1866 Mt. Juliet , Wilson Co., Tennessee m. Sarah "Sallie" CLOYD b. 01 Feb 1789 Wytheville, Montgomery Co, Virginia. I am looking for Benjamin's parents. Also any additions, corrections, or comments you may be able to offer.

I am trying to find out if there is anyone who researches possible Cherokee ancestry in Wilson County, or if there is a website on that topic.

Sorry, in most of these cases you can not prove any Indian Ancestry....unless you can find I don't know...old jounals...there are many grandma was a *Cherokee Princess* family stories but most of them are not true and unless you are associated with or member of one of the tribes you can't prove you are Indian... You might look on the Guion Miller roll, that was a roll taken in the early 1900s, shows where folks were living at the time the made application for damages they suffered when moved from their homeland etc or suffered from whites taking their land in the east... But I have to tell you, unless you can find documentation that you are indeed Cherokee, you are not recognized by the Federal Government as Cherokee...let's see I think there is one state recognized tribe in AL... The Cherokee in North Carolina now have closed enrollment which means they are not enrolling anyone else, they have a blood quantum as well, which keeps changing so not sure what it is now... Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma requires that you be able to trace back to a Cherokee Ancestor on the Dawes Roll...even if you're Cherokee, if you don't have an Ancestor on that roll, you can not become a Citizen of the Tribe... Char On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Donna Fischer <donna_fischer2003@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hello my question is: > > But what about people who were say 1/4 Cherokee > ancestry when they moved to Wilson Co. Tennessee from > Virginia in say 1805. They could have been related to > the Cherokee that were located in Virginia in the > 1700's. How would you trace that since they may not > have claimed being a part of the tribe in the late > 1700's since they did not live with the tribe? And > may not have even known early in their life who their > father was. Then what would you use to find the > Cherokee ancestry? > > Donna > > > --- Coats Family History <coats.genealogy@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Judy, you won't happen to be related to the Mrs. > > Bean that Nancy Ward > > saved would you? > > > > Just wondering.... > > > > I think most records for Indians are on the > > rolls...or the recognized > > tribes...for Cherokee it's the old rolls in NC or > > the Dawes in > > Oklahoma....but those are the only *official* > > records that I know > > of... > > > > Char > > > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Judy Bean > > <judybean@mindspring.com> wrote: > > > I am trying to find out if there is anyone who > > researches possible Cherokee ancestry in Wilson > > County, or if there is a website on that topic. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > > to TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > A shameless plug for my web activities: > > > > Support Authentic Cherokee Art - ask for the > > Artist's Tribal > > registration number before you buy!! 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Hello my question is: But what about people who were say 1/4 Cherokee ancestry when they moved to Wilson Co. Tennessee from Virginia in say 1805. They could have been related to the Cherokee that were located in Virginia in the 1700's. How would you trace that since they may not have claimed being a part of the tribe in the late 1700's since they did not live with the tribe? And may not have even known early in their life who their father was. Then what would you use to find the Cherokee ancestry? Donna --- Coats Family History <coats.genealogy@gmail.com> wrote: > Judy, you won't happen to be related to the Mrs. > Bean that Nancy Ward > saved would you? > > Just wondering.... > > I think most records for Indians are on the > rolls...or the recognized > tribes...for Cherokee it's the old rolls in NC or > the Dawes in > Oklahoma....but those are the only *official* > records that I know > of... > > Char > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Judy Bean > <judybean@mindspring.com> wrote: > > I am trying to find out if there is anyone who > researches possible Cherokee ancestry in Wilson > County, or if there is a website on that topic. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > > > > -- > A shameless plug for my web activities: > > Support Authentic Cherokee Art - ask for the > Artist's Tribal > registration number before you buy!! Cherokee Style, > Cherokee Heritage > and Cherokee Descent all mean non Indian! > > Indian Arts and Craft Act: > http://nativeamericanlawus.blogspot.com > > Cherokee Basket Weaver's Association: > http://www.cherokeebasketweaversassociation.org > > Cherokee Basketweaving Books: > http://www.lulu.com/groups/indianbasketweaving > > Cherokee Artists Association > http://www.cherokeeartistsassociation.org > > Cherokees of Orange County > http://www.cherokeesoforangecounty.org > > Visit the Family History Store at LuLu: > http://stores.lulu.com/pagesthroughtime > or > http://www.pagesthroughtime.us > > Can't find the records you need and you're a male > surnamed Coats or > varitation, order a DNA kit to join our DNA project: > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=A59642&special=True > > Coats Archive > http://www.coatsarchive.us > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster Total Access for one month at no cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text4.com

Judy, you won't happen to be related to the Mrs. Bean that Nancy Ward saved would you? Just wondering.... I think most records for Indians are on the rolls...or the recognized tribes...for Cherokee it's the old rolls in NC or the Dawes in Oklahoma....but those are the only *official* records that I know of... Char On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Judy Bean <judybean@mindspring.com> wrote: > I am trying to find out if there is anyone who researches possible Cherokee ancestry in Wilson County, or if there is a website on that topic. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- A shameless plug for my web activities: Support Authentic Cherokee Art - ask for the Artist's Tribal registration number before you buy!! Cherokee Style, Cherokee Heritage and Cherokee Descent all mean non Indian! Indian Arts and Craft Act: http://nativeamericanlawus.blogspot.com Cherokee Basket Weaver's Association: http://www.cherokeebasketweaversassociation.org Cherokee Basketweaving Books: http://www.lulu.com/groups/indianbasketweaving Cherokee Artists Association http://www.cherokeeartistsassociation.org Cherokees of Orange County http://www.cherokeesoforangecounty.org Visit the Family History Store at LuLu: http://stores.lulu.com/pagesthroughtime or http://www.pagesthroughtime.us Can't find the records you need and you're a male surnamed Coats or varitation, order a DNA kit to join our DNA project: http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=A59642&special=True Coats Archive http://www.coatsarchive.us

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rhm1001 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.counties.wilson/2571/mb.ashx Message Board Post: If your genealogical society is looking for information for its newsletter, try this website. MySecretLetters.com In addition to the Civil War Love Letters, it has a "Genealogy Tip of the Day," and a "Thought for the Day." Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: FredricZS Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.counties.wilson/2570.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: For understanding NC/TN land, I suggest you read: http://www.tngenweb.org/tnland/bamman.htm One additional note is that under the section "Accessing Tennessee's Land Records Through the Family History Library" the 1996 article states: "At this writing, films of the supporting papers (the entries, surveys, and plats) are not available at FHL, but are only at TSLA in Record Group 50 and in Mf. Ac. No. 1177, and in the North Carolina State Archives (if relating to North Carolina grants)." Those records regarding warrants, surveys, etc. are now available. See for an explanation of how to use those: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/ROWANROOTS/2007-05/1180497857 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

The Genealogy of Tennessee Counties states: Davidson Co was formed out of Washington Co, NC in 1783 Sumner Co was formed out of Davidson Co in 1786 Wilson Co was formed out of Sumner Co in 1799 In 1800 Wilson Co was bordered by Davidson Co to the west, Sumner Co to the north, and Smith Co to the northeast. South and southeast of Wilson Co. was then Indian Lands. In 1800 Wilson County's boundaries extended into what later became portions of Rutherford (1803) and Cannon (1836) counties to the south, and Dekalb (1837) and Smith (1799) counties to the east. To see a list of TN Counties, their Parent County, and the date formed, go to http://www.mytennesseegenealogy.com/index.htm Click on the name of the county you are interested in This site states the following: Wilson County Register of Deeds has Land Records from 1799 and is located at Courthouse, 228 E Main St., P.O. Box 950, Lebanon, TN 37088-0950; Telephone: (615) 444-2835. The Register of Deeds office has land records beginning with county organization, land records are available from the register of deeds at the Wilson county courthouse. Land and property records include transfer of real estate or personal property, mortgages, leases, surveys, and entries. Davidson County Register of Deeds has Land Records from 1784 and is located at 700 2nd Ave. S, Nashville, TN 37210; Telephone: (615) 862-6050. The Register of Deeds office has land records beginning with county organization, land records are available from the register of deeds at the Davidson county courthouse. Land and property records include transfer of real estate or personal property, mortgages, leases, surveys, and entries Kathleen Hill Redondo Beach, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "mccoin" <mccoin@cosmowireless.net> To: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com>; <tnwilson@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [TNWILSON] Was Wilson co Tn Washington co North Carolina atonetime? >I believe Wilson Co. was formed in the late 1700's. The county records > are in the Wilson Co. Archives in Lebanon. > > -----Original Message----- > From: tnwilson-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:tnwilson-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of > gc-gateway@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 10:59 PM > To: TNWILSON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [TNWILSON] Was Wilson co Tn Washington co North Carolina at > onetime? > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: RossSmith53 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.counties. > wilson/2570/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > I have read that the area that became Wilso co Tn was originally > Washingtonco North Carolina. If I understand it right Wilson co Tn as > formed > from Sumner co TN which was formed from Davidson co Tn whcih was forme > from > Washington co TN which was the entire state of Tennessee which at one time > was Washington co NC and the NC legislature ceded the entire area that was > Washington co NC to orm the state of Tn and at one time the area that was > Washington co Tn was Washington co NC. Would anyone know if that is tru > and > if so if my ancestors settled in Washington co NC about 1780 then the land > they bought was in Wilson co Tn in the 1820's. Where would I find the land > records where they bought the land in Washington co NC? There is a > Washington co NC but it was formed later in another part of NC. When > Washingto co NC became Washington co TN then Washington co NC ceased to be > a > county in NC so where did the land records go? Thanks > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would > like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above > and > respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I believe Wilson Co. was formed in the late 1700's. The county records are in the Wilson Co. Archives in Lebanon. -----Original Message----- From: tnwilson-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tnwilson-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of gc-gateway@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 10:59 PM To: TNWILSON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TNWILSON] Was Wilson co Tn Washington co North Carolina at onetime? This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: RossSmith53 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.counties. wilson/2570/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have read that the area that became Wilso co Tn was originally Washingtonco North Carolina. If I understand it right Wilson co Tn as formed from Sumner co TN which was formed from Davidson co Tn whcih was forme from Washington co TN which was the entire state of Tennessee which at one time was Washington co NC and the NC legislature ceded the entire area that was Washington co NC to orm the state of Tn and at one time the area that was Washington co Tn was Washington co NC. Would anyone know if that is tru and if so if my ancestors settled in Washington co NC about 1780 then the land they bought was in Wilson co Tn in the 1820's. Where would I find the land records where they bought the land in Washington co NC? There is a Washington co NC but it was formed later in another part of NC. When Washingto co NC became Washington co TN then Washington co NC ceased to be a county in NC so where did the land records go? Thanks Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: myronwms Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.counties.wilson/2570.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: You have it about right. But by 1799 The county lines of Wilson and surrounding counties were fairly stable. The Washington County, NC which was TN was discontinued about 1780. To complicate things further There was briefly a State of Franklin (named for Benjamin) but it never was recognized by the USA. Where are the land records? In the Courthouse which serves the county which contains the land. By the 1820's the county lines for eastern TN were quite stable. Start in the county seat where the parcel is located. That may lead you to an adjacent county (Wilson to Sumner, for example). Check the Tennessee State Library and Archives and the Wilson County Archives. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: RossSmith53 Surnames: Wray, Ray Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.counties.wilson/1013.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Are you researching the Thomas and Alcey Wray who died in ilson co Tennessee? Would you know who Thomas Wray's parents were? I believe his father might have been Moses Wray. My ancestor was George Wray or Ray born in the 1740's I believe in Va. I believe he was Thomas Wray's brother but I can not find any proof that he was. Can you help? thanks, Ross Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: RossSmith53 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.counties.wilson/2570/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have read that the area that became Wilso co Tn was originally Washingtonco North Carolina. If I understand it right Wilson co Tn as formed from Sumner co TN which was formed from Davidson co Tn whcih was forme from Washington co TN which was the entire state of Tennessee which at one time was Washington co NC and the NC legislature ceded the entire area that was Washington co NC to orm the state of Tn and at one time the area that was Washington co Tn was Washington co NC. Would anyone know if that is tru and if so if my ancestors settled in Washington co NC about 1780 then the land they bought was in Wilson co Tn in the 1820's. Where would I find the land records where they bought the land in Washington co NC? There is a Washington co NC but it was formed later in another part of NC. When Washingto co NC became Washington co TN then Washington co NC ceased to be a county in NC so where did the land records go? Thanks Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Who was Nancy Hightower's parents. Frances -----Original Message----- From: tnwilson-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tnwilson-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Terrilyn Litvan Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 5:24 PM To: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com; tnwilson@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TNWILSON] GRANTmarriage record 1844 gc-gateway@rootsweb.com wrote: >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >Author: KarenBack_S >Surnames: Grant Clifton Hightower >Classification: queries > >Message Board URL: > >http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.counties .wilson/2568.1.2/mb.ashx > >Message Board Post: > >I just can't thank you enough. I just finished going over the facts, census listings, etc. and that is indeed the right family. My Harriett's parents appear to be Jubal GRANT and Nancy Hightower who married in Wilson County November 4, 1820. Jubal was in Wilson County census 1830 & 1840 and then his widow Nancy through 1880. At least half of his family moved here to Jefferson County, Illinois and one son George was next door to my Benjamin and Nancy Clifton in one census. Harriet Clifton used the names of her parents and siblings in naming her children, including Nancy, Jubal, Franklin, Mary, Elizabeth, Jane. > >I'm ecstatic. This is an excellent example of why we need to let a "fresh set of eyes" look at our brick walls. Please let me know if I can help with any of the many Wilson County families who moved here to Jefferson County, Illinois. > >Karen >Jefferson County Illinois > >Important Note: >The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Karen: Please contact me directly for further Grant information. Terry (Phillips) Litvan tplitvan@acegroup.cc ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message