I have read about some person's using it and it came out that they had Asian ancestry. But yes it is supposed to be in the DNA make-up. Donna --- bary4579@bellsouth.net wrote: > I am no expert on DNA analysis but could it be used > to determine Indian Triabal blood? H Barry > -------------- Original message from "Coats Family > History" <coats.genealogy@gmail.com>: -------------- > > > > > Yes very true...1/16? they've lowered it...at one > time it was at least > > 1/4 but even that blood quantum level is getting > rare....:( > > > > The Europeans started that Blood Quantum > theory...and in some cases > > when it came to land alotments - most 1/2 blood > and above wouldn't > > admit they were over 1/2 or listed their spouses > as white, because if > > you were 1/2 and above blood, you had to have a > guardian to have land > > and many didn't want that, so they fudged on their > blood quantum > > levels...lol...sorry, but that blood quantum thing > is just plain > > crazy...anyway, if you were less than 1/2 blood > you didn't need a > > guardian to own land and they would put it in your > name... > > > > Most Indians know that the BIA blood quantum is > really skewed and > > don't pay much attention to it....likewise if you > were say Cherokee > > but also intermarried into another tribe of > Indians, only the blood > > quantum for Cherokee was counted on the Dawes... > > > > So that whole blood quantum thing is a real > joke.... > > > > Char > > > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:43 AM, D Detring wrote: > > > > > > I descend from a Cherokee ancestor that was from > Rutherford Co. NC and went to > > Gilmer Co. GA. Cherokee research is very > difficult. And having Indian blood > > was not something that was talked about in those > days; it was kept in the > > closet. The series "Cherokee by Blood" is an > interesting source. I suppose it > > you have a male line, maybe DNA genealogy would be > interesting. > > > > > > A couple of years ago, many were searching for > their Indian Roots to get > > college scholarship money for their children. The > research is not a easy task > > and if I remember correctly you needed to be at > least 1/16 Indian in most cases. > > > > > > If most of the Indian ancesty legends could be > proved, one is usually greater > > than 1/128th Indian. It makes an interesting case > but it is not something that > > the Indians or the government will recognize. > > > > > > Happy Searching, > > > Dawn in MO > > > Researching all Dement lines > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Pack up or back up–use SkyDrive to transfer > files or keep extra copies. Learn > > how. > > > > > > hthttp://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_sk > > > ydrive_packup_042008 > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to > > TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > A shameless plug for my web activities: > > > > Support Authentic Cherokee Art - ask for the > Artist's Tribal > > registration number before you buy!! Cherokee > Style, Cherokee Heritage > > and Cherokee Descent all mean non Indian! > > > > Indian Arts and Craft Act: > > http://nativeamericanlawus.blogspot.com > > > > Cherokee Basket Weaver's Association: > > http://www.cherokeebasketweaversassociation.org > > > > Cherokee Basketweaving Books: > > http://www.lulu.com/groups/indianbasketweaving > > > > Cherokee Artists Association > > http://www.cherokeeartistsassociation.org > > > > Cherokees of Orange County > > http://www.cherokeesoforangecounty.org > > > > Visit the Family History Store at LuLu: > > http://stores.lulu.com/pagesthroughtime > > or > > http://www.pagesthroughtime.us > > > > Can't find the records you need and you're a male > surnamed Coats or > > varitation, order a DNA kit to join our DNA > project: > > > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=A59642&special=True > > > > > Coats Archive > > http://www.coatsarchive.us > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > > TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com

Hi, No I am not a member of the Wolf Creek group. But wehn I found it I thought that it was something that I would be interested in meeting. The Virginia Govenor has visited them since I had seen those pictures before on their website. My mothers family was from southern Illinois and both her mother and father had some Native ancestry. One was told as Cherokee. The Trail of Tears did go thru southern Illinois and it is believed that some Cherokee may have gotten off the trail here. I will say for sure that the county my mother lived in and the ajoining couties had many persons of Indian heritage. We cannot determine the exact percentage. I remember my mother's brother's first wife, Fern, she was also of Indian heritage. Since these people all lived in the 1910-1970's they were not associated with any tribe and only knew about their heritage. They had never traveled to see a tribe...and my mother only knew that her family was from Tennessee, she did not do genealogy and did not know that they were first from Virginia. Illinois had no tribes since after the 1830's they moved to the west, such as the tribes I have heard of in northern Illinois- the Illinois, Kickapoo, etc. But the Cherokee descendants are in southern Illinois. But they have no connection to the tribe since they were removed from their tribe and intermarried with whites. So just because a tribe did not settle in one location does not mean that their are no Cherokee/Indian descendants. (This is the only group of people on the earth that has this sort of problem with claiming ancestry.) Donna --- Coats Family History <coats.genealogy@gmail.com> wrote: > You won't find it on their website...you'll need to > take a Cherokee > History Class ....:) > > The Catawaba Indians were in SC as were the > Cherokee...there were no > Cherokee in that Wolf Creek area in the 1700s...the > only Cherokee > Villages during that time period were in SC and when > ALL their towns > were burned, Echota/Chota, they moved to GA and > started New > Echota/Chota.....there were some in TN around the > Holston area...but > never any in VA.... > > The Cherokee Nation by the way is familiar with that > Wolf Creek group > and they are not considered legit....there's another > in IL or IN as > well but there were never any Cherokees in those > states either...they > may have family stories as to being Indian, but no > Indians by > Blood.... > > The Cherokee only recognize the Cherokee Nation in > Oklahoma, the > Eastern Band of Cherokee in NC and the UKB band in > Oklahoma... > > Are you a member of this Wolf Creek group? or > associated with them? > > Char > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Donna Fischer > <donna_fischer2003@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Well I'd like to hear what the official Cherokee > > Nation both OK & NC have to say about this. We > should > > wirte to them and post their response. > > > > That www.indianvillage.org is supposed to be a > > Cherokee village. Everything with the name Wolf > Creek > > is supposed to be associated with the Cherokee who > > they said populated that area in the 1700's and > > before. > > > > That man Lederer who did exploration in the 1600's > > came across Cherokee's and Catawa. > > > > With all these white historians/researchers saying > > that the Cherokee were in Virginia during the > 1700's > > and before then I would tend to believe them. > > > > That is unless the official tribes, NC & OK, make > some > > sort of a public statement that they, the > Cherokees, > > never resided in SW Virginia. I would have to read > > that on their website. > > > > Good nite for now. > > > > Donna > > > > > > --- Coats Family History > <coats.genealogy@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > This says *valued hunting ground* the Cherokees > had > > > no villages or > > > towns in VA...they never lived there... > > > > > > The Cherokees that went to AR are the old > > > settlers....who eventually > > > ended up in OK... > > > > > > "Prior to the American Revolution, the Southwest > > > Virginia area was a fruitful and valued hunting > > > ground > > > for the Cherokee Indian tribes, to the south," > > > > > > What you'll find in a lot of these old > histories, > > > is: this is a white > > > version of things...you'll find the Indian > version > > > much much > > > different... > > > > > > No Cherokees *lived* in VA before, during or > after > > > the Rev...after the > > > Rev they were all packed up and shipped off to > OK > > > Indian > > > Territory...anything to the contrary is just > white > > > history...my own > > > great gggggrandmother has so much mis info about > her > > > in the white > > > literature it makes me cringe to read some of > it...I > > > mean everything > > > from she was white but adopted by a Cherokee > family, > > > to her father was > > > white and tons more misinfo....to her mother was > > > Cherokee and she was > > > raised by a White family...I mean it just goes > on > > > and on and on...so > > > you really need to be careful... > > > > > > Believe me, VA and Cherokees is a big topic > among > > > the Cherokee and > > > there just wasn't any Cherokee in VA... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 6:44 PM, Donna Fischer > > > <donna_fischer2003@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > Contains rare plate of Cherokee Indians in > > > Virginia > > > > and. North Carolina. Acquired by > purchase-exchange > > > > with William Reese Company. ... > > > > > > > > > > > > [PDF] > > > > Annual Report for 2003 > > > > File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML > > > > Contains rare plate of Cherokee Indians in > > > Virginia > > > > and. North Carolina. Acquired by > purchase-exchange > > > > with William Reese Company. ... > > > > www.vahistorical.org/about/annualreport03.pdf > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************************* > > > > Contains rare plate of Cherokee Indians in > > > Virginia > > > > and. North Carolina. Acquired by > purchase-exchange > > > > with William Reese Company. ... > > > > > > > > Lesson plan: Archaeology - Its Methods and Use > - > > > > Becoming a ...Slusser, M. Catherine, and > others, > > > > Teacher's Guide: Virginia Archaeology. .... an > > > Indian > > > > rights activist who is a member of the > Cherokee > > > tribe, > > > > ... > > > > www.vahistorical.org/sva2003/lparch1.htm - 33k > - > > > > Cached > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Extended History > > > > > > > > > > > > This Southwestern Virginia County lies on > the > > > > Alleghany Plateau and is characterized by its > > > > mountainous terrain. A secondary continental > > > divide > > > > seperates the watersheds to the New River > Valley > > > and > > > > the Tennessee River Valley. The Clinch River's > > > > headwater source and the beginning of the > Clinch > > > River > > > > Valley is located a few miles east of > Tazewell, > > > the > > > > county seat. Flowing west and south from > Tazewell, > > > the > > > > Clinch joins the Holston River and forms the > > > Tennesse > > > > River near Knoxville, TN. > > > > The source of the Bluestone River, which runs > east > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com

I descend from a Cherokee ancestor that was from Rutherford Co. NC and went to Gilmer Co. GA. Cherokee research is very difficult. And having Indian blood was not something that was talked about in those days; it was kept in the closet. The series "Cherokee by Blood" is an interesting source. I suppose it you have a male line, maybe DNA genealogy would be interesting. A couple of years ago, many were searching for their Indian Roots to get college scholarship money for their children. The research is not a easy task and if I remember correctly you needed to be at least 1/16 Indian in most cases. If most of the Indian ancesty legends could be proved, one is usually greater than 1/128th Indian. It makes an interesting case but it is not something that the Indians or the government will recognize. Happy Searching, Dawn in MO Researching all Dement lines _________________________________________________________________ Pack up or back up–use SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra copies. Learn how. hthttp://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_skydrive_packup_042008

Yes very true...1/16? they've lowered it...at one time it was at least 1/4 but even that blood quantum level is getting rare....:( The Europeans started that Blood Quantum theory...and in some cases when it came to land alotments - most 1/2 blood and above wouldn't admit they were over 1/2 or listed their spouses as white, because if you were 1/2 and above blood, you had to have a guardian to have land and many didn't want that, so they fudged on their blood quantum levels...lol...sorry, but that blood quantum thing is just plain crazy...anyway, if you were less than 1/2 blood you didn't need a guardian to own land and they would put it in your name... Most Indians know that the BIA blood quantum is really skewed and don't pay much attention to it....likewise if you were say Cherokee but also intermarried into another tribe of Indians, only the blood quantum for Cherokee was counted on the Dawes... So that whole blood quantum thing is a real joke.... Char On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:43 AM, D Detring <detring@hotmail.com> wrote: > > I descend from a Cherokee ancestor that was from Rutherford Co. NC and went to Gilmer Co. GA. Cherokee research is very difficult. And having Indian blood was not something that was talked about in those days; it was kept in the closet. The series "Cherokee by Blood" is an interesting source. I suppose it you have a male line, maybe DNA genealogy would be interesting. > > A couple of years ago, many were searching for their Indian Roots to get college scholarship money for their children. The research is not a easy task and if I remember correctly you needed to be at least 1/16 Indian in most cases. > > If most of the Indian ancesty legends could be proved, one is usually greater than 1/128th Indian. It makes an interesting case but it is not something that the Indians or the government will recognize. > > Happy Searching, > Dawn in MO > Researching all Dement lines > _________________________________________________________________ > Pack up or back up–use SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra copies. Learn how. > hthttp://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_skydrive_packup_042008 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- A shameless plug for my web activities: Support Authentic Cherokee Art - ask for the Artist's Tribal registration number before you buy!! Cherokee Style, Cherokee Heritage and Cherokee Descent all mean non Indian! Indian Arts and Craft Act: http://nativeamericanlawus.blogspot.com Cherokee Basket Weaver's Association: http://www.cherokeebasketweaversassociation.org Cherokee Basketweaving Books: http://www.lulu.com/groups/indianbasketweaving Cherokee Artists Association http://www.cherokeeartistsassociation.org Cherokees of Orange County http://www.cherokeesoforangecounty.org Visit the Family History Store at LuLu: http://stores.lulu.com/pagesthroughtime or http://www.pagesthroughtime.us Can't find the records you need and you're a male surnamed Coats or varitation, order a DNA kit to join our DNA project: http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=A59642&special=True Coats Archive http://www.coatsarchive.us

You won't find it on their website...you'll need to take a Cherokee History Class ....:) The Catawaba Indians were in SC as were the Cherokee...there were no Cherokee in that Wolf Creek area in the 1700s...the only Cherokee Villages during that time period were in SC and when ALL their towns were burned, Echota/Chota, they moved to GA and started New Echota/Chota.....there were some in TN around the Holston area...but never any in VA.... The Cherokee Nation by the way is familiar with that Wolf Creek group and they are not considered legit....there's another in IL or IN as well but there were never any Cherokees in those states either...they may have family stories as to being Indian, but no Indians by Blood.... The Cherokee only recognize the Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma, the Eastern Band of Cherokee in NC and the UKB band in Oklahoma... Are you a member of this Wolf Creek group? or associated with them? Char On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Donna Fischer <donna_fischer2003@yahoo.com> wrote: > Well I'd like to hear what the official Cherokee > Nation both OK & NC have to say about this. We should > wirte to them and post their response. > > That www.indianvillage.org is supposed to be a > Cherokee village. Everything with the name Wolf Creek > is supposed to be associated with the Cherokee who > they said populated that area in the 1700's and > before. > > That man Lederer who did exploration in the 1600's > came across Cherokee's and Catawa. > > With all these white historians/researchers saying > that the Cherokee were in Virginia during the 1700's > and before then I would tend to believe them. > > That is unless the official tribes, NC & OK, make some > sort of a public statement that they, the Cherokees, > never resided in SW Virginia. I would have to read > that on their website. > > Good nite for now. > > Donna > > > --- Coats Family History <coats.genealogy@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > This says *valued hunting ground* the Cherokees had > > no villages or > > towns in VA...they never lived there... > > > > The Cherokees that went to AR are the old > > settlers....who eventually > > ended up in OK... > > > > "Prior to the American Revolution, the Southwest > > Virginia area was a fruitful and valued hunting > > ground > > for the Cherokee Indian tribes, to the south," > > > > What you'll find in a lot of these old histories, > > is: this is a white > > version of things...you'll find the Indian version > > much much > > different... > > > > No Cherokees *lived* in VA before, during or after > > the Rev...after the > > Rev they were all packed up and shipped off to OK > > Indian > > Territory...anything to the contrary is just white > > history...my own > > great gggggrandmother has so much mis info about her > > in the white > > literature it makes me cringe to read some of it...I > > mean everything > > from she was white but adopted by a Cherokee family, > > to her father was > > white and tons more misinfo....to her mother was > > Cherokee and she was > > raised by a White family...I mean it just goes on > > and on and on...so > > you really need to be careful... > > > > Believe me, VA and Cherokees is a big topic among > > the Cherokee and > > there just wasn't any Cherokee in VA... > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 6:44 PM, Donna Fischer > > <donna_fischer2003@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Contains rare plate of Cherokee Indians in > > Virginia > > > and. North Carolina. Acquired by purchase-exchange > > > with William Reese Company. ... > > > > > > > > > [PDF] > > > Annual Report for 2003 > > > File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML > > > Contains rare plate of Cherokee Indians in > > Virginia > > > and. North Carolina. Acquired by purchase-exchange > > > with William Reese Company. ... > > > www.vahistorical.org/about/annualreport03.pdf > > > > > > ********************************************************************************* > > > Contains rare plate of Cherokee Indians in > > Virginia > > > and. North Carolina. Acquired by purchase-exchange > > > with William Reese Company. ... > > > > > > Lesson plan: Archaeology - Its Methods and Use - > > > Becoming a ...Slusser, M. Catherine, and others, > > > Teacher's Guide: Virginia Archaeology. .... an > > Indian > > > rights activist who is a member of the Cherokee > > tribe, > > > ... > > > www.vahistorical.org/sva2003/lparch1.htm - 33k - > > > Cached > > > > > > > > > > > > Extended History > > > > > > > > > This Southwestern Virginia County lies on the > > > Alleghany Plateau and is characterized by its > > > mountainous terrain. A secondary continental > > divide > > > seperates the watersheds to the New River Valley > > and > > > the Tennessee River Valley. The Clinch River's > > > headwater source and the beginning of the Clinch > > River > > > Valley is located a few miles east of Tazewell, > > the > > > county seat. Flowing west and south from Tazewell, > > the > > > Clinch joins the Holston River and forms the > > Tennesse > > > River near Knoxville, TN. > > > The source of the Bluestone River, which runs east > > and > > > north, is located a few hundred yards east of the > > > Clinch River source. The Bluestone winds its way > > > through Tazewell County and Mercer County, WV and > > > joins the New River just north of Athens, WV. The > > > fertile valleys of these rivers and their > > tributaries > > > became the sites of original settlement within the > > > County. > > > A primary route through the mountains for the > > early > > > pioneers was the game and Indian trails along the > > > Clearfork branch of Wolf Creek, from its juncture > > with > > > the New River, into the Clinch River Valley and on > > to > > > Cumberland Gap and Kentucky. > > > Historical Perspectives > > > Prior to the American Revolution, the Southwest > > > Virginia area was a fruitful and valued hunting > > ground > > > for the Cherokee Indian tribes, to the south, and > > the > > > Shawnee tribes along the Ohio River. The area's > > > abundance of wild game, which was the source of > > > frequent skirmishes among these Indian tribes , > > also > > > drew trappers from Eastern Virginia. > > > Original surveys and land grants were made in 1748 > > and > > > the original County settlers established > > homesteads in > > > the late1760's. Tazewell County was formed in 1799 > > > from Russell and Wythe Counties. At the time of > > > formation, the County included all or portions of > > the > > > current counties of Bland County, VA, Giles > > County, > > > VA, Buchanan County, VA, Mercer County, WV, > > McDowell > > > County, WV, Wyoming County, WV and Logan County, > > WV. > > > The county was named after Henry Tazewell, member > > of > > > the Virginia House of Burgesses and later a U.S. > > > Senator. The first Tazewell County Court was held > > in > > > the house of Henry Harman, Jr. on June 12, 1800. > > > Early County Settlements and Settlers 1769 -1773 > > > • Abb's Valley: Iaaac BLANGY Absalom LOONEY > > Capt. > > > James MOORE, Robert POAGUE > > > • Baptist Valley: John DESKINS, Thomas > > MARTIN, Richard > > > PEMBERTON, Charles and James SCAGGS > > > • Bluestone: Samuel FERGUSON, John HARMAN, > > Benjamin > > > JOSLIN, Thomas MAXWELL, James OGLETON > > > • Burke's Garden: Thomas INGLES Clear Fork > > of Wolf > > > Creek John RIDGEL > > > • The Cove: John CRAVEN, David WARD > > > • Crab Apple: Orchard Samuel CECIL, John > > GREENUP, > > > Thonas WITTEN > > > • Deskins Valley: Richard ONEY, Obadiah > > PAYNE > > > • Head of the Clinch River: Henry, Mathias > > and Jacob > > > HARMAN > > > • Jeffersonville Area (Tazewell): John > > BRADSHAW, > > > Elisha CARY, Benjamin, Chrisley and Thomas > > HOUSLEY, > > > John, Thomas and William PEERY Locust Hill William > > > WYNN > > > • Morris Knob: William GARRISON > > > • North Fork of the Clinch: William BUTLER, > > Jesse > > > EVANS, John TAYLOR > > > • Thompson Valley: John HENRY, James KING, > > Samuel > > > MARRS, Joseph MARTIN, John and Archibald THOMPSON > > > > > > http://www.virginia.org/site/features.asp?FeatureID=404 > > > > > http://www.myvirginiagenealogy.com/va_county/taz.htm > > > > > > 1http://www.tolatsga.org/Cherokee1.html > > > Page 2 > > > > > > In 1828 the Western Cherokee agreed to exchange > > their > > > Arkansas lands for a new location in Oklahoma. The > > > boundaries were finally determined in 1833, > > although > > > it took until 1835 to get the Osage to agree. > > > > > > The arrival of General Braddock with an English > > army > > > in 1755 raised the spirits of the people, for they > > > === message truncated === > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- A shameless plug for my web activities: Support Authentic Cherokee Art - ask for the Artist's Tribal registration number before you buy!! Cherokee Style, Cherokee Heritage and Cherokee Descent all mean non Indian! 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Did anyone see this? I just looked up a Cherokee.org And it does show SW Virgina as Cherokee territory. Donna http://www.cherokeehistory.com/map1.html http://www.cherokeehistory.com --- Donna Fischer <donna_fischer2003@yahoo.com> wrote: > This I apparently sent to myself by accident. It > looks like a excellent site. Wonderful maps. > Donna > > Note: forwarded message attached. > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one > month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com

This I apparently sent to myself by accident. It looks like a excellent site. Wonderful maps. Donna Note: forwarded message attached. ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com

Well I'd like to hear what the official Cherokee Nation both OK & NC have to say about this. We should wirte to them and post their response. That www.indianvillage.org is supposed to be a Cherokee village. Everything with the name Wolf Creek is supposed to be associated with the Cherokee who they said populated that area in the 1700's and before. That man Lederer who did exploration in the 1600's came across Cherokee's and Catawa. With all these white historians/researchers saying that the Cherokee were in Virginia during the 1700's and before then I would tend to believe them. That is unless the official tribes, NC & OK, make some sort of a public statement that they, the Cherokees, never resided in SW Virginia. I would have to read that on their website. Good nite for now. Donna --- Coats Family History <coats.genealogy@gmail.com> wrote: > This says *valued hunting ground* the Cherokees had > no villages or > towns in VA...they never lived there... > > The Cherokees that went to AR are the old > settlers....who eventually > ended up in OK... > > "Prior to the American Revolution, the Southwest > Virginia area was a fruitful and valued hunting > ground > for the Cherokee Indian tribes, to the south," > > What you'll find in a lot of these old histories, > is: this is a white > version of things...you'll find the Indian version > much much > different... > > No Cherokees *lived* in VA before, during or after > the Rev...after the > Rev they were all packed up and shipped off to OK > Indian > Territory...anything to the contrary is just white > history...my own > great gggggrandmother has so much mis info about her > in the white > literature it makes me cringe to read some of it...I > mean everything > from she was white but adopted by a Cherokee family, > to her father was > white and tons more misinfo....to her mother was > Cherokee and she was > raised by a White family...I mean it just goes on > and on and on...so > you really need to be careful... > > Believe me, VA and Cherokees is a big topic among > the Cherokee and > there just wasn't any Cherokee in VA... > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 6:44 PM, Donna Fischer > <donna_fischer2003@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Contains rare plate of Cherokee Indians in > Virginia > > and. North Carolina. Acquired by purchase-exchange > > with William Reese Company. ... > > > > > > [PDF] > > Annual Report for 2003 > > File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML > > Contains rare plate of Cherokee Indians in > Virginia > > and. North Carolina. Acquired by purchase-exchange > > with William Reese Company. ... > > www.vahistorical.org/about/annualreport03.pdf > > > ********************************************************************************* > > Contains rare plate of Cherokee Indians in > Virginia > > and. North Carolina. Acquired by purchase-exchange > > with William Reese Company. ... > > > > Lesson plan: Archaeology - Its Methods and Use - > > Becoming a ...Slusser, M. Catherine, and others, > > Teacher's Guide: Virginia Archaeology. .... an > Indian > > rights activist who is a member of the Cherokee > tribe, > > ... > > www.vahistorical.org/sva2003/lparch1.htm - 33k - > > Cached > > > > > > > > Extended History > > > > > > This Southwestern Virginia County lies on the > > Alleghany Plateau and is characterized by its > > mountainous terrain. A secondary continental > divide > > seperates the watersheds to the New River Valley > and > > the Tennessee River Valley. The Clinch River's > > headwater source and the beginning of the Clinch > River > > Valley is located a few miles east of Tazewell, > the > > county seat. Flowing west and south from Tazewell, > the > > Clinch joins the Holston River and forms the > Tennesse > > River near Knoxville, TN. > > The source of the Bluestone River, which runs east > and > > north, is located a few hundred yards east of the > > Clinch River source. The Bluestone winds its way > > through Tazewell County and Mercer County, WV and > > joins the New River just north of Athens, WV. The > > fertile valleys of these rivers and their > tributaries > > became the sites of original settlement within the > > County. > > A primary route through the mountains for the > early > > pioneers was the game and Indian trails along the > > Clearfork branch of Wolf Creek, from its juncture > with > > the New River, into the Clinch River Valley and on > to > > Cumberland Gap and Kentucky. > > Historical Perspectives > > Prior to the American Revolution, the Southwest > > Virginia area was a fruitful and valued hunting > ground > > for the Cherokee Indian tribes, to the south, and > the > > Shawnee tribes along the Ohio River. The area's > > abundance of wild game, which was the source of > > frequent skirmishes among these Indian tribes , > also > > drew trappers from Eastern Virginia. > > Original surveys and land grants were made in 1748 > and > > the original County settlers established > homesteads in > > the late1760's. Tazewell County was formed in 1799 > > from Russell and Wythe Counties. At the time of > > formation, the County included all or portions of > the > > current counties of Bland County, VA, Giles > County, > > VA, Buchanan County, VA, Mercer County, WV, > McDowell > > County, WV, Wyoming County, WV and Logan County, > WV. > > The county was named after Henry Tazewell, member > of > > the Virginia House of Burgesses and later a U.S. > > Senator. The first Tazewell County Court was held > in > > the house of Henry Harman, Jr. on June 12, 1800. > > Early County Settlements and Settlers 1769 -1773 > > • Abb's Valley: Iaaac BLANGY Absalom LOONEY > Capt. > > James MOORE, Robert POAGUE > > • Baptist Valley: John DESKINS, Thomas > MARTIN, Richard > > PEMBERTON, Charles and James SCAGGS > > • Bluestone: Samuel FERGUSON, John HARMAN, > Benjamin > > JOSLIN, Thomas MAXWELL, James OGLETON > > • Burke's Garden: Thomas INGLES Clear Fork > of Wolf > > Creek John RIDGEL > > • The Cove: John CRAVEN, David WARD > > • Crab Apple: Orchard Samuel CECIL, John > GREENUP, > > Thonas WITTEN > > • Deskins Valley: Richard ONEY, Obadiah > PAYNE > > • Head of the Clinch River: Henry, Mathias > and Jacob > > HARMAN > > • Jeffersonville Area (Tazewell): John > BRADSHAW, > > Elisha CARY, Benjamin, Chrisley and Thomas > HOUSLEY, > > John, Thomas and William PEERY Locust Hill William > > WYNN > > • Morris Knob: William GARRISON > > • North Fork of the Clinch: William BUTLER, > Jesse > > EVANS, John TAYLOR > > • Thompson Valley: John HENRY, James KING, > Samuel > > MARRS, Joseph MARTIN, John and Archibald THOMPSON > > > http://www.virginia.org/site/features.asp?FeatureID=404 > > > http://www.myvirginiagenealogy.com/va_county/taz.htm > > > > 1http://www.tolatsga.org/Cherokee1.html > > Page 2 > > > > In 1828 the Western Cherokee agreed to exchange > their > > Arkansas lands for a new location in Oklahoma. The > > boundaries were finally determined in 1833, > although > > it took until 1835 to get the Osage to agree. > > > > The arrival of General Braddock with an English > army > > in 1755 raised the spirits of the people, for they > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com

This says *valued hunting ground* the Cherokees had no villages or towns in VA...they never lived there... The Cherokees that went to AR are the old settlers....who eventually ended up in OK... "Prior to the American Revolution, the Southwest Virginia area was a fruitful and valued hunting ground for the Cherokee Indian tribes, to the south," What you'll find in a lot of these old histories, is: this is a white version of things...you'll find the Indian version much much different... No Cherokees *lived* in VA before, during or after the Rev...after the Rev they were all packed up and shipped off to OK Indian Territory...anything to the contrary is just white history...my own great gggggrandmother has so much mis info about her in the white literature it makes me cringe to read some of it...I mean everything from she was white but adopted by a Cherokee family, to her father was white and tons more misinfo....to her mother was Cherokee and she was raised by a White family...I mean it just goes on and on and on...so you really need to be careful... Believe me, VA and Cherokees is a big topic among the Cherokee and there just wasn't any Cherokee in VA... On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 6:44 PM, Donna Fischer <donna_fischer2003@yahoo.com> wrote: > Contains rare plate of Cherokee Indians in Virginia > and. North Carolina. Acquired by purchase-exchange > with William Reese Company. ... > > > [PDF] > Annual Report for 2003 > File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML > Contains rare plate of Cherokee Indians in Virginia > and. North Carolina. Acquired by purchase-exchange > with William Reese Company. ... > www.vahistorical.org/about/annualreport03.pdf > ********************************************************************************* > Contains rare plate of Cherokee Indians in Virginia > and. North Carolina. Acquired by purchase-exchange > with William Reese Company. ... > > Lesson plan: Archaeology - Its Methods and Use - > Becoming a ...Slusser, M. Catherine, and others, > Teacher's Guide: Virginia Archaeology. .... an Indian > rights activist who is a member of the Cherokee tribe, > ... > www.vahistorical.org/sva2003/lparch1.htm - 33k - > Cached > > > > Extended History > > > This Southwestern Virginia County lies on the > Alleghany Plateau and is characterized by its > mountainous terrain. A secondary continental divide > seperates the watersheds to the New River Valley and > the Tennessee River Valley. The Clinch River's > headwater source and the beginning of the Clinch River > Valley is located a few miles east of Tazewell, the > county seat. Flowing west and south from Tazewell, the > Clinch joins the Holston River and forms the Tennesse > River near Knoxville, TN. > The source of the Bluestone River, which runs east and > north, is located a few hundred yards east of the > Clinch River source. The Bluestone winds its way > through Tazewell County and Mercer County, WV and > joins the New River just north of Athens, WV. The > fertile valleys of these rivers and their tributaries > became the sites of original settlement within the > County. > A primary route through the mountains for the early > pioneers was the game and Indian trails along the > Clearfork branch of Wolf Creek, from its juncture with > the New River, into the Clinch River Valley and on to > Cumberland Gap and Kentucky. > Historical Perspectives > Prior to the American Revolution, the Southwest > Virginia area was a fruitful and valued hunting ground > for the Cherokee Indian tribes, to the south, and the > Shawnee tribes along the Ohio River. The area's > abundance of wild game, which was the source of > frequent skirmishes among these Indian tribes , also > drew trappers from Eastern Virginia. > Original surveys and land grants were made in 1748 and > the original County settlers established homesteads in > the late1760's. Tazewell County was formed in 1799 > from Russell and Wythe Counties. At the time of > formation, the County included all or portions of the > current counties of Bland County, VA, Giles County, > VA, Buchanan County, VA, Mercer County, WV, McDowell > County, WV, Wyoming County, WV and Logan County, WV. > The county was named after Henry Tazewell, member of > the Virginia House of Burgesses and later a U.S. > Senator. The first Tazewell County Court was held in > the house of Henry Harman, Jr. on June 12, 1800. > Early County Settlements and Settlers 1769 -1773 > • Abb's Valley: Iaaac BLANGY Absalom LOONEY Capt. > James MOORE, Robert POAGUE > • Baptist Valley: John DESKINS, Thomas MARTIN, Richard > PEMBERTON, Charles and James SCAGGS > • Bluestone: Samuel FERGUSON, John HARMAN, Benjamin > JOSLIN, Thomas MAXWELL, James OGLETON > • Burke's Garden: Thomas INGLES Clear Fork of Wolf > Creek John RIDGEL > • The Cove: John CRAVEN, David WARD > • Crab Apple: Orchard Samuel CECIL, John GREENUP, > Thonas WITTEN > • Deskins Valley: Richard ONEY, Obadiah PAYNE > • Head of the Clinch River: Henry, Mathias and Jacob > HARMAN > • Jeffersonville Area (Tazewell): John BRADSHAW, > Elisha CARY, Benjamin, Chrisley and Thomas HOUSLEY, > John, Thomas and William PEERY Locust Hill William > WYNN > • Morris Knob: William GARRISON > • North Fork of the Clinch: William BUTLER, Jesse > EVANS, John TAYLOR > • Thompson Valley: John HENRY, James KING, Samuel > MARRS, Joseph MARTIN, John and Archibald THOMPSON > http://www.virginia.org/site/features.asp?FeatureID=404 > http://www.myvirginiagenealogy.com/va_county/taz.htm > > 1http://www.tolatsga.org/Cherokee1.html > Page 2 > > In 1828 the Western Cherokee agreed to exchange their > Arkansas lands for a new location in Oklahoma. The > boundaries were finally determined in 1833, although > it took until 1835 to get the Osage to agree. > > The arrival of General Braddock with an English army > in 1755 raised the spirits of the people, for they > felt that a protector was at hand. After his defeat by > the French and Indians, panic seized upon the back > settlers, for well they knew the havoc that would be > wrought upon them by the victorious savages. To the > number of thousands they forsook their homes in the > Valley and across the mountains in Piedmont Virginia, > and fled to the Carolinas, seeking protection of the > friendly Cherokee and Catawba tribes. > http://www.myvirginiagenealogy.com/va_county/pi.htm > > > http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/native_americans.htm > > http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/native_americans.htm#directoryoftribes > > http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/native_americans.htm#directoryoftribes > > http://www.virginiaplaces.org/nativeamerican/index.html > > The real First Families of Virginia > > http://www.peak.org/csfa/index.html > > http://www.mariner.org/chesapeakebay/native/nam002.html > > http://www.virginia.org/site/description.asp?AttrID=43266 > > http://www.virginia.org/site/description.asp?AttrID=10711 > > http://www.indianvillage.org/ > > http://www.vahistorical.org/lederer.htm > > Lederer may or may not have been the first European to > reach the Valley of Virginia, but he was the first to > publish an account of his discoveries. He was an > astute observer of Indian customs and beliefs, and his > book was the first scientific report on the western > portion of Virginia. His influential map (shown here) > provided new data about unknown areas, but it also > contained several errors, most notably the "barren > Sandy dessert" and a nonexistent lake in North > Carolina that were often reproduced by other map > makers. > The Discoveries of John Lederer (1672) > Lederer's expeditions inspired other explorers > searching for passes through the mountains, and they > helped to develop the fur trade with the Catawba and > Cherokee. > • See other items from the collections > > http://www.vahistorical.org/arvfind/snedenil5.htm > ********************************************************************************* > [PDF] > Annual Report for 2003 > File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML > Contains rare plate of Cherokee Indians in Virginia > and. North Carolina. 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Contains rare plate of Cherokee Indians in Virginia and. North Carolina. Acquired by purchase-exchange with William Reese Company. ... [PDF] Annual Report for 2003 File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML Contains rare plate of Cherokee Indians in Virginia and. North Carolina. Acquired by purchase-exchange with William Reese Company. ... www.vahistorical.org/about/annualreport03.pdf ********************************************************************************* Contains rare plate of Cherokee Indians in Virginia and. North Carolina. Acquired by purchase-exchange with William Reese Company. ... Lesson plan: Archaeology - Its Methods and Use - Becoming a ...Slusser, M. Catherine, and others, Teacher's Guide: Virginia Archaeology. .... an Indian rights activist who is a member of the Cherokee tribe, ... www.vahistorical.org/sva2003/lparch1.htm - 33k - Cached Extended History This Southwestern Virginia County lies on the Alleghany Plateau and is characterized by its mountainous terrain. A secondary continental divide seperates the watersheds to the New River Valley and the Tennessee River Valley. The Clinch River's headwater source and the beginning of the Clinch River Valley is located a few miles east of Tazewell, the county seat. Flowing west and south from Tazewell, the Clinch joins the Holston River and forms the Tennesse River near Knoxville, TN. The source of the Bluestone River, which runs east and north, is located a few hundred yards east of the Clinch River source. The Bluestone winds its way through Tazewell County and Mercer County, WV and joins the New River just north of Athens, WV. The fertile valleys of these rivers and their tributaries became the sites of original settlement within the County. A primary route through the mountains for the early pioneers was the game and Indian trails along the Clearfork branch of Wolf Creek, from its juncture with the New River, into the Clinch River Valley and on to Cumberland Gap and Kentucky. Historical Perspectives Prior to the American Revolution, the Southwest Virginia area was a fruitful and valued hunting ground for the Cherokee Indian tribes, to the south, and the Shawnee tribes along the Ohio River. The area's abundance of wild game, which was the source of frequent skirmishes among these Indian tribes , also drew trappers from Eastern Virginia. Original surveys and land grants were made in 1748 and the original County settlers established homesteads in the late1760's. Tazewell County was formed in 1799 from Russell and Wythe Counties. At the time of formation, the County included all or portions of the current counties of Bland County, VA, Giles County, VA, Buchanan County, VA, Mercer County, WV, McDowell County, WV, Wyoming County, WV and Logan County, WV. The county was named after Henry Tazewell, member of the Virginia House of Burgesses and later a U.S. Senator. The first Tazewell County Court was held in the house of Henry Harman, Jr. on June 12, 1800. Early County Settlements and Settlers 1769 -1773 • Abb's Valley: Iaaac BLANGY Absalom LOONEY Capt. James MOORE, Robert POAGUE • Baptist Valley: John DESKINS, Thomas MARTIN, Richard PEMBERTON, Charles and James SCAGGS • Bluestone: Samuel FERGUSON, John HARMAN, Benjamin JOSLIN, Thomas MAXWELL, James OGLETON • Burke's Garden: Thomas INGLES Clear Fork of Wolf Creek John RIDGEL • The Cove: John CRAVEN, David WARD • Crab Apple: Orchard Samuel CECIL, John GREENUP, Thonas WITTEN • Deskins Valley: Richard ONEY, Obadiah PAYNE • Head of the Clinch River: Henry, Mathias and Jacob HARMAN • Jeffersonville Area (Tazewell): John BRADSHAW, Elisha CARY, Benjamin, Chrisley and Thomas HOUSLEY, John, Thomas and William PEERY Locust Hill William WYNN • Morris Knob: William GARRISON • North Fork of the Clinch: William BUTLER, Jesse EVANS, John TAYLOR • Thompson Valley: John HENRY, James KING, Samuel MARRS, Joseph MARTIN, John and Archibald THOMPSON http://www.virginia.org/site/features.asp?FeatureID=404 http://www.myvirginiagenealogy.com/va_county/taz.htm 1http://www.tolatsga.org/Cherokee1.html Page 2 In 1828 the Western Cherokee agreed to exchange their Arkansas lands for a new location in Oklahoma. The boundaries were finally determined in 1833, although it took until 1835 to get the Osage to agree. The arrival of General Braddock with an English army in 1755 raised the spirits of the people, for they felt that a protector was at hand. After his defeat by the French and Indians, panic seized upon the back settlers, for well they knew the havoc that would be wrought upon them by the victorious savages. To the number of thousands they forsook their homes in the Valley and across the mountains in Piedmont Virginia, and fled to the Carolinas, seeking protection of the friendly Cherokee and Catawba tribes. http://www.myvirginiagenealogy.com/va_county/pi.htm http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/native_americans.htm http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/native_americans.htm#directoryoftribes http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/native_americans.htm#directoryoftribes http://www.virginiaplaces.org/nativeamerican/index.html The real First Families of Virginia http://www.peak.org/csfa/index.html http://www.mariner.org/chesapeakebay/native/nam002.html http://www.virginia.org/site/description.asp?AttrID=43266 http://www.virginia.org/site/description.asp?AttrID=10711 http://www.indianvillage.org/ http://www.vahistorical.org/lederer.htm Lederer may or may not have been the first European to reach the Valley of Virginia, but he was the first to publish an account of his discoveries. He was an astute observer of Indian customs and beliefs, and his book was the first scientific report on the western portion of Virginia. His influential map (shown here) provided new data about unknown areas, but it also contained several errors, most notably the "barren Sandy dessert" and a nonexistent lake in North Carolina that were often reproduced by other map makers. The Discoveries of John Lederer (1672) Lederer's expeditions inspired other explorers searching for passes through the mountains, and they helped to develop the fur trade with the Catawba and Cherokee. • See other items from the collections http://www.vahistorical.org/arvfind/snedenil5.htm ********************************************************************************* [PDF] Annual Report for 2003 File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML Contains rare plate of Cherokee Indians in Virginia and. North Carolina. Acquired by purchase-exchange with William Reese Company. ... www.vahistorical.org/about/annualreport03.pdf ********************************************************************************* Contains rare plate of Cherokee Indians in Virginia and. North Carolina. Acquired by purchase-exchange with William Reese Company. ... ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com

Dear--- I have seen this written on employment applications,,, even government employment applications- that question your race- which they all do where I live in Illinois. Donna --- Coats Family History <coats.genealogy@gmail.com> wrote: > No, you must be a member of the tribe to receive > preference in > employment and they usually require certification by > the tribe that > you are indeed a member of that tribe... > > *maintaining community relationships* does not make > one *part* of that > group ... there is no such thing as a *community > relationship* > Indian....:) to be Indian you need to have a > Cherokee Ancestor or > Cherokee by Blood...no other way to do it... > > I don't know who's telling you all this but sounds > like you've gotten > taken by some fake Indians.....:( > > Char > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Donna Fischer > <donna_fischer2003@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I have found many documents that say that for one > > thing, if you maintain community relationships > with > > the tribe you can maintain on employment > applications > > that you are part of that group. That is in fact > > printed on the many employment applications. > > > > What you are confusing is the ancestry that many > > Americans have as being of Native American descent > and > > the right to claim to be a part of a tribe, which > is > > usually dictated by blood quantum and if your > ancestor > > put themselves on the rolls in the early 1900's. > > These are two different things. > > > > I have read many places that anyone has the right > to > > say that they are of whatever tribe they believe > they > > descend from ...and this is not a tribal > affiliation > > but a ancestry. > > > > I will get back to you later, but I am working on > > something else at the moment. > > > > > > Donna > > > > --- Coats Family History > <coats.genealogy@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > No, if you claim to be from a tribe, you imply > you > > > are a member of > > > that tribe...and very few people are able to > > > document their Cherokee > > > Ancestry unless they can trace it back to one of > the > > > rolls... > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Donna Fischer > > > <donna_fischer2003@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > All some people want to do is claim their > ancestry > > > to > > > > the tribe that they were told they descend > from, > > > not > > > > claim benefits. > > > > > > > > Last night I found out that Wayne Newton is of > > > > Cherokee, Powathan, German and Irish heritage. > > > > > > > > That is all that is needed to be able to say > we > > > are > > > > from a particular tribe. Just like anyone > else > > > can > > > > say they are Polish, Swedish, and etc. > > > > > > > > That's why we are Americans. > > > > > > > > Donna > > > > > > > > --- Coats Family History > > > <coats.genealogy@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > No, none of those are even remotely tribes > > > except > > > > > the Katoowah (not > > > > > sure of the spelling on this) Tribe in > Oklahoma > > > > > which is a sorta band > > > > > within the Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma > > > > > > > > > > There are three and only three Federally > > > recognized > > > > > tribes of > > > > > Cherokees!! North Carolina Eastern Band of > > > > > Cherokee, Cherokee Nation > > > > > in Oklahoma and the United Katoowah Band in > > > > > Oklahoma...there is one > > > > > and only one to date of State recognized > > > Cherokee > > > > > Tribes in AL... > > > > > > > > > > All others are currently considered > > > > > wannabees....they are not > > > > > recognized by any state or federal > > > authorities...so > > > > > currently they can > > > > > not even call themselves > Cherokee....sorry...but > > > > > that's the current > > > > > state of affairs....so be aware of them, > they > > > > > generally promote things > > > > > they know nothing about.... > > > > > > > > > > Char > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 12:43 PM, > > > <OPEIHUM@aol.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > In addition to the Cherokee Tribes > mentioned, > > > > > there are also the Western > > > > > > Cherokee Tribe of Arkansas ans Missouri > > > > > headquartered in Arkansas. Also, the > > > > > > Lost Cherokees of Texas. The Katoowa > tribe of > > > > > Oklahoma. > > > > > > Cj in Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like > the > > > Pros. > > > > > Watch the video on AOL > > > > > > Home. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send > an > > > email > > > > > to TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the > word > > > > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject > > > and > > > > > the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > A shameless plug for my web activities: > > > > > > > > > > Support Authentic Cherokee Art - ask for the > > > > > Artist's Tribal > > > > > registration number before you buy!! > Cherokee > > > Style, > > > > > Cherokee Heritage > > > > > and Cherokee Descent all mean non Indian! > > > > > > > > > > Indian Arts and Craft Act: > > > > > http://nativeamericanlawus.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > > Cherokee Basket Weaver's Association: > > > > > > http://www.cherokeebasketweaversassociation.org > > > > > > > > > > Cherokee Basketweaving Books: > > > > > > http://www.lulu.com/groups/indianbasketweaving > > > > > > > > > > Cherokee Artists Association > > > > > http://www.cherokeeartistsassociation.org > > > > > > > > > > Cherokees of Orange County > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. 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No, you must be a member of the tribe to receive preference in employment and they usually require certification by the tribe that you are indeed a member of that tribe... *maintaining community relationships* does not make one *part* of that group ... there is no such thing as a *community relationship* Indian....:) to be Indian you need to have a Cherokee Ancestor or Cherokee by Blood...no other way to do it... I don't know who's telling you all this but sounds like you've gotten taken by some fake Indians.....:( Char On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Donna Fischer <donna_fischer2003@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hello, > > I have found many documents that say that for one > thing, if you maintain community relationships with > the tribe you can maintain on employment applications > that you are part of that group. That is in fact > printed on the many employment applications. > > What you are confusing is the ancestry that many > Americans have as being of Native American descent and > the right to claim to be a part of a tribe, which is > usually dictated by blood quantum and if your ancestor > put themselves on the rolls in the early 1900's. > These are two different things. > > I have read many places that anyone has the right to > say that they are of whatever tribe they believe they > descend from ...and this is not a tribal affiliation > but a ancestry. > > I will get back to you later, but I am working on > something else at the moment. > > > Donna > > --- Coats Family History <coats.genealogy@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > No, if you claim to be from a tribe, you imply you > > are a member of > > that tribe...and very few people are able to > > document their Cherokee > > Ancestry unless they can trace it back to one of the > > rolls... > > > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Donna Fischer > > <donna_fischer2003@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > All some people want to do is claim their ancestry > > to > > > the tribe that they were told they descend from, > > not > > > claim benefits. > > > > > > Last night I found out that Wayne Newton is of > > > Cherokee, Powathan, German and Irish heritage. > > > > > > That is all that is needed to be able to say we > > are > > > from a particular tribe. Just like anyone else > > can > > > say they are Polish, Swedish, and etc. > > > > > > That's why we are Americans. > > > > > > Donna > > > > > > --- Coats Family History > > <coats.genealogy@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > No, none of those are even remotely tribes > > except > > > > the Katoowah (not > > > > sure of the spelling on this) Tribe in Oklahoma > > > > which is a sorta band > > > > within the Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma > > > > > > > > There are three and only three Federally > > recognized > > > > tribes of > > > > Cherokees!! 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Hello, I have found many documents that say that for one thing, if you maintain community relationships with the tribe you can maintain on employment applications that you are part of that group. That is in fact printed on the many employment applications. What you are confusing is the ancestry that many Americans have as being of Native American descent and the right to claim to be a part of a tribe, which is usually dictated by blood quantum and if your ancestor put themselves on the rolls in the early 1900's. These are two different things. I have read many places that anyone has the right to say that they are of whatever tribe they believe they descend from ...and this is not a tribal affiliation but a ancestry. I will get back to you later, but I am working on something else at the moment. Donna --- Coats Family History <coats.genealogy@gmail.com> wrote: > No, if you claim to be from a tribe, you imply you > are a member of > that tribe...and very few people are able to > document their Cherokee > Ancestry unless they can trace it back to one of the > rolls... > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Donna Fischer > <donna_fischer2003@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > All some people want to do is claim their ancestry > to > > the tribe that they were told they descend from, > not > > claim benefits. > > > > Last night I found out that Wayne Newton is of > > Cherokee, Powathan, German and Irish heritage. > > > > That is all that is needed to be able to say we > are > > from a particular tribe. Just like anyone else > can > > say they are Polish, Swedish, and etc. > > > > That's why we are Americans. > > > > Donna > > > > --- Coats Family History > <coats.genealogy@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > No, none of those are even remotely tribes > except > > > the Katoowah (not > > > sure of the spelling on this) Tribe in Oklahoma > > > which is a sorta band > > > within the Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma > > > > > > There are three and only three Federally > recognized > > > tribes of > > > Cherokees!! 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The Katoowa tribe of > > > Oklahoma. > > > > Cj in Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the > Pros. > > > Watch the video on AOL > > > > Home. > > > > > > > > > > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email > > > to TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and > > > the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > A shameless plug for my web activities: > > > > > > Support Authentic Cherokee Art - ask for the > > > Artist's Tribal > > > registration number before you buy!! 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History books unfortunately can be wrong...as with old county histories, without documentation to an original source record, which the rolls would be, a claim of Cherokee Ancestry is only a family story... On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Donna Fischer <donna_fischer2003@yahoo.com> wrote: > Well that is what the history books say and that is > Virginias and our history. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Virginia#Native_Americans > > Donna > > --- Coats Family History <coats.genealogy@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > No, most of that VA and IN info is wrong...Cherokees > > have never been > > that far north...sorry.... > > > > Char > > > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 10:51 PM, Donna Fischer > > <donna_fischer2003@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > No the Lumbee Indians are not part of the Eastern > > Band > > > of Cherokee. They are in North Caolina, but are > > near > > > the coast. Today they are in commerce and > > banking. > > > > > > I receive a monthly email regarding the state of > > > Virgina called Virginia is for Lovers. And I have > > > found the history of Virginia on these sites. > > They > > > have talked about the early Cherokees and showed > > maps > > > of their large early territory which did include > > the > > > western side of Virginia, and as I remember went > > into > > > even what we call Indiana today. > > > > > > Here is a link on a history of the Indian groups > > in > > > what we today call Virginia. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Virginia#Native_Americans > > > > > > Hope this link works. > > > > > > Donna > > > --- bary4579@bellsouth.net wrote: > > > > > > > Are the Lumbee Indians part of the Cherokee > > Nations? > > > > H Barry > > > > -------------- Original message from "Coats > > Family > > > > History" <coats.genealogy@gmail.com>: > > -------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Judy, you won't happen to be related to the > > Mrs. > > > > Bean that Nancy Ward > > > > > saved would you? > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering.... > > > > > > > > > > I think most records for Indians are on the > > > > rolls...or the recognized > > > > > tribes...for Cherokee it's the old rolls in NC > > or > > > > the Dawes in > > > > > Oklahoma....but those are the only *official* > > > > records that I know > > > > > of... > > > > > > > > > > Char > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Judy Bean > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to find out if there is anyone > > who > > > > researches possible Cherokee > > > > > ancestry in Wilson County, or if there is a > > > > website on that topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > > > > email to > > > > > TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > > > > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > A shameless plug for my web activities: > > > > > > > > > > Support Authentic Cherokee Art - ask for the > > > > Artist's Tribal > > > > > registration number before you buy!! 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No, if you claim to be from a tribe, you imply you are a member of that tribe...and very few people are able to document their Cherokee Ancestry unless they can trace it back to one of the rolls... On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Donna Fischer <donna_fischer2003@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi, > > All some people want to do is claim their ancestry to > the tribe that they were told they descend from, not > claim benefits. > > Last night I found out that Wayne Newton is of > Cherokee, Powathan, German and Irish heritage. > > That is all that is needed to be able to say we are > from a particular tribe. Just like anyone else can > say they are Polish, Swedish, and etc. > > That's why we are Americans. > > Donna > > --- Coats Family History <coats.genealogy@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > No, none of those are even remotely tribes except > > the Katoowah (not > > sure of the spelling on this) Tribe in Oklahoma > > which is a sorta band > > within the Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma > > > > There are three and only three Federally recognized > > tribes of > > Cherokees!! North Carolina Eastern Band of > > Cherokee, Cherokee Nation > > in Oklahoma and the United Katoowah Band in > > Oklahoma...there is one > > and only one to date of State recognized Cherokee > > Tribes in AL... > > > > All others are currently considered > > wannabees....they are not > > recognized by any state or federal authorities...so > > currently they can > > not even call themselves Cherokee....sorry...but > > that's the current > > state of affairs....so be aware of them, they > > generally promote things > > they know nothing about.... > > > > Char > > > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 12:43 PM, <OPEIHUM@aol.com> > > wrote: > > > In addition to the Cherokee Tribes mentioned, > > there are also the Western > > > Cherokee Tribe of Arkansas ans Missouri > > headquartered in Arkansas. Also, the > > > Lost Cherokees of Texas. The Katoowa tribe of > > Oklahoma. > > > Cj in Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. > > Watch the video on AOL > > > Home. > > > > > > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > > to TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > A shameless plug for my web activities: > > > > Support Authentic Cherokee Art - ask for the > > Artist's Tribal > > registration number before you buy!! Cherokee Style, > > Cherokee Heritage > > and Cherokee Descent all mean non Indian! > > > > Indian Arts and Craft Act: > > http://nativeamericanlawus.blogspot.com > > > > Cherokee Basket Weaver's Association: > > http://www.cherokeebasketweaversassociation.org > > > > Cherokee Basketweaving Books: > > http://www.lulu.com/groups/indianbasketweaving > > > > Cherokee Artists Association > > http://www.cherokeeartistsassociation.org > > > > Cherokees of Orange County > > http://www.cherokeesoforangecounty.org > > > > Visit the Family History Store at LuLu: > > http://stores.lulu.com/pagesthroughtime > > or > > http://www.pagesthroughtime.us > > > > Can't find the records you need and you're a male > > surnamed Coats or > > varitation, order a DNA kit to join our DNA project: > > > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=A59642&special=True > > > > Coats Archive > > http://www.coatsarchive.us > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > > to TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > You rock. 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Hi, All some people want to do is claim their ancestry to the tribe that they were told they descend from, not claim benefits. Last night I found out that Wayne Newton is of Cherokee, Powathan, German and Irish heritage. That is all that is needed to be able to say we are from a particular tribe. Just like anyone else can say they are Polish, Swedish, and etc. That's why we are Americans. Donna --- Coats Family History <coats.genealogy@gmail.com> wrote: > No, none of those are even remotely tribes except > the Katoowah (not > sure of the spelling on this) Tribe in Oklahoma > which is a sorta band > within the Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma > > There are three and only three Federally recognized > tribes of > Cherokees!! North Carolina Eastern Band of > Cherokee, Cherokee Nation > in Oklahoma and the United Katoowah Band in > Oklahoma...there is one > and only one to date of State recognized Cherokee > Tribes in AL... > > All others are currently considered > wannabees....they are not > recognized by any state or federal authorities...so > currently they can > not even call themselves Cherokee....sorry...but > that's the current > state of affairs....so be aware of them, they > generally promote things > they know nothing about.... > > Char > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 12:43 PM, <OPEIHUM@aol.com> > wrote: > > In addition to the Cherokee Tribes mentioned, > there are also the Western > > Cherokee Tribe of Arkansas ans Missouri > headquartered in Arkansas. Also, the > > Lost Cherokees of Texas. The Katoowa tribe of > Oklahoma. > > Cj in Ok > > > > > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. > Watch the video on AOL > > Home. > > > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > > > > -- > A shameless plug for my web activities: > > Support Authentic Cherokee Art - ask for the > Artist's Tribal > registration number before you buy!! Cherokee Style, > Cherokee Heritage > and Cherokee Descent all mean non Indian! > > Indian Arts and Craft Act: > http://nativeamericanlawus.blogspot.com > > Cherokee Basket Weaver's Association: > http://www.cherokeebasketweaversassociation.org > > Cherokee Basketweaving Books: > http://www.lulu.com/groups/indianbasketweaving > > Cherokee Artists Association > http://www.cherokeeartistsassociation.org > > Cherokees of Orange County > http://www.cherokeesoforangecounty.org > > Visit the Family History Store at LuLu: > http://stores.lulu.com/pagesthroughtime > or > http://www.pagesthroughtime.us > > Can't find the records you need and you're a male > surnamed Coats or > varitation, order a DNA kit to join our DNA project: > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=A59642&special=True > > Coats Archive > http://www.coatsarchive.us > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com

Well that is what the history books say and that is Virginias and our history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Virginia#Native_Americans Donna --- Coats Family History <coats.genealogy@gmail.com> wrote: > No, most of that VA and IN info is wrong...Cherokees > have never been > that far north...sorry.... > > Char > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 10:51 PM, Donna Fischer > <donna_fischer2003@yahoo.com> wrote: > > No the Lumbee Indians are not part of the Eastern > Band > > of Cherokee. They are in North Caolina, but are > near > > the coast. Today they are in commerce and > banking. > > > > I receive a monthly email regarding the state of > > Virgina called Virginia is for Lovers. And I have > > found the history of Virginia on these sites. > They > > have talked about the early Cherokees and showed > maps > > of their large early territory which did include > the > > western side of Virginia, and as I remember went > into > > even what we call Indiana today. > > > > Here is a link on a history of the Indian groups > in > > what we today call Virginia. > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Virginia#Native_Americans > > > > Hope this link works. > > > > Donna > > --- bary4579@bellsouth.net wrote: > > > > > Are the Lumbee Indians part of the Cherokee > Nations? > > > H Barry > > > -------------- Original message from "Coats > Family > > > History" <coats.genealogy@gmail.com>: > -------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Judy, you won't happen to be related to the > Mrs. > > > Bean that Nancy Ward > > > > saved would you? > > > > > > > > Just wondering.... > > > > > > > > I think most records for Indians are on the > > > rolls...or the recognized > > > > tribes...for Cherokee it's the old rolls in NC > or > > > the Dawes in > > > > Oklahoma....but those are the only *official* > > > records that I know > > > > of... > > > > > > > > Char > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Judy Bean > wrote: > > > > > > > > I am trying to find out if there is anyone > who > > > researches possible Cherokee > > > > ancestry in Wilson County, or if there is a > > > website on that topic. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > > > email to > > > > TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > > > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > A shameless plug for my web activities: > > > > > > > > Support Authentic Cherokee Art - ask for the > > > Artist's Tribal > > > > registration number before you buy!! Cherokee > > > Style, Cherokee Heritage > > > > and Cherokee Descent all mean non Indian! > > > > > > > > Indian Arts and Craft Act: > > > > http://nativeamericanlawus.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > Cherokee Basket Weaver's Association: > > > > > http://www.cherokeebasketweaversassociation.org > > > > > > > > Cherokee Basketweaving Books: > > > > http://www.lulu.com/groups/indianbasketweaving > > > > > > > > Cherokee Artists Association > > > > http://www.cherokeeartistsassociation.org > > > > > > > > Cherokees of Orange County > > > > http://www.cherokeesoforangecounty.org > > > > > > > > Visit the Family History Store at LuLu: > > > > http://stores.lulu.com/pagesthroughtime > > > > or > > > > http://www.pagesthroughtime.us > > > > > > > > Can't find the records you need and you're a > male > > > surnamed Coats or > > > > varitation, order a DNA kit to join our DNA > > > project: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=A59642&special=True > > > > > > > > > > > Coats Archive > > > > http://www.coatsarchive.us > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email > > > to > > > > TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > > > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email > > > to TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and > > > the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Like movies? 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No, none of those are even remotely tribes except the Katoowah (not sure of the spelling on this) Tribe in Oklahoma which is a sorta band within the Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma There are three and only three Federally recognized tribes of Cherokees!! North Carolina Eastern Band of Cherokee, Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma and the United Katoowah Band in Oklahoma...there is one and only one to date of State recognized Cherokee Tribes in AL... All others are currently considered wannabees....they are not recognized by any state or federal authorities...so currently they can not even call themselves Cherokee....sorry...but that's the current state of affairs....so be aware of them, they generally promote things they know nothing about.... Char On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 12:43 PM, <OPEIHUM@aol.com> wrote: > In addition to the Cherokee Tribes mentioned, there are also the Western > Cherokee Tribe of Arkansas ans Missouri headquartered in Arkansas. Also, the > Lost Cherokees of Texas. The Katoowa tribe of Oklahoma. > Cj in Ok > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- A shameless plug for my web activities: Support Authentic Cherokee Art - ask for the Artist's Tribal registration number before you buy!! Cherokee Style, Cherokee Heritage and Cherokee Descent all mean non Indian! Indian Arts and Craft Act: http://nativeamericanlawus.blogspot.com Cherokee Basket Weaver's Association: http://www.cherokeebasketweaversassociation.org Cherokee Basketweaving Books: http://www.lulu.com/groups/indianbasketweaving Cherokee Artists Association http://www.cherokeeartistsassociation.org Cherokees of Orange County http://www.cherokeesoforangecounty.org Visit the Family History Store at LuLu: http://stores.lulu.com/pagesthroughtime or http://www.pagesthroughtime.us Can't find the records you need and you're a male surnamed Coats or varitation, order a DNA kit to join our DNA project: http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=A59642&special=True Coats Archive http://www.coatsarchive.us

No, most of that VA and IN info is wrong...Cherokees have never been that far north...sorry.... Char On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 10:51 PM, Donna Fischer <donna_fischer2003@yahoo.com> wrote: > No the Lumbee Indians are not part of the Eastern Band > of Cherokee. They are in North Caolina, but are near > the coast. Today they are in commerce and banking. > > I receive a monthly email regarding the state of > Virgina called Virginia is for Lovers. And I have > found the history of Virginia on these sites. They > have talked about the early Cherokees and showed maps > of their large early territory which did include the > western side of Virginia, and as I remember went into > even what we call Indiana today. > > Here is a link on a history of the Indian groups in > what we today call Virginia. > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Virginia#Native_Americans > > Hope this link works. > > Donna > --- bary4579@bellsouth.net wrote: > > > Are the Lumbee Indians part of the Cherokee Nations? > > H Barry > > -------------- Original message from "Coats Family > > History" <coats.genealogy@gmail.com>: -------------- > > > > > > > > > Judy, you won't happen to be related to the Mrs. > > Bean that Nancy Ward > > > saved would you? > > > > > > Just wondering.... > > > > > > I think most records for Indians are on the > > rolls...or the recognized > > > tribes...for Cherokee it's the old rolls in NC or > > the Dawes in > > > Oklahoma....but those are the only *official* > > records that I know > > > of... > > > > > > Char > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Judy Bean wrote: > > > > > > I am trying to find out if there is anyone who > > researches possible Cherokee > > > ancestry in Wilson County, or if there is a > > website on that topic. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > > email to > > > TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > A shameless plug for my web activities: > > > > > > Support Authentic Cherokee Art - ask for the > > Artist's Tribal > > > registration number before you buy!! Cherokee > > Style, Cherokee Heritage > > > and Cherokee Descent all mean non Indian! > > > > > > Indian Arts and Craft Act: > > > http://nativeamericanlawus.blogspot.com > > > > > > Cherokee Basket Weaver's Association: > > > http://www.cherokeebasketweaversassociation.org > > > > > > Cherokee Basketweaving Books: > > > http://www.lulu.com/groups/indianbasketweaving > > > > > > Cherokee Artists Association > > > http://www.cherokeeartistsassociation.org > > > > > > Cherokees of Orange County > > > http://www.cherokeesoforangecounty.org > > > > > > Visit the Family History Store at LuLu: > > > http://stores.lulu.com/pagesthroughtime > > > or > > > http://www.pagesthroughtime.us > > > > > > Can't find the records you need and you're a male > > surnamed Coats or > > > varitation, order a DNA kit to join our DNA > > project: > > > > > > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=A59642&special=True > > > > > > > > Coats Archive > > > http://www.coatsarchive.us > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > > to > > > TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > > to TNWILSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Like movies? 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Indian Arts and Craft Act: http://nativeamericanlawus.blogspot.com Cherokee Basket Weaver's Association: http://www.cherokeebasketweaversassociation.org Cherokee Basketweaving Books: http://www.lulu.com/groups/indianbasketweaving Cherokee Artists Association http://www.cherokeeartistsassociation.org Cherokees of Orange County http://www.cherokeesoforangecounty.org Visit the Family History Store at LuLu: http://stores.lulu.com/pagesthroughtime or http://www.pagesthroughtime.us Can't find the records you need and you're a male surnamed Coats or varitation, order a DNA kit to join our DNA project: http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=A59642&special=True Coats Archive http://www.coatsarchive.us