Donna I just noticed that myself, and I think that either Samuel was Dr. John's Dad,or Zacharias was,it will require a bit more reseach,I've seen speculation on both now. And I've sen a couple of queries on White, in the website but mostly looking for tie-ins and dates,and the like. Chuck

Good morning Donna ! I feel very distracted; of course I know about Tenn. Tidbits,I have copies of about everything on most of my family connections (probably White's too!) but my personal library that I've been building has thousands of pages,( appx. 28, 3,4,5inch Binders) with more on the way,so I'm sure I have it in there, I'll get to it as you have to tune, and redo your point of reference every so often,as they say here in the South...so there will be a point here very soon when it will be in front of me , but i'll look for it at the Williamson Co.,Archives to refresh my memory. I will research Granny White more too, and find out everything that i can on her,(Mary polly Burnam),it seems that some one on Tnwilla (Williamson Co.,Tn.site) was inquiring about "Burnam's", I'll check it out when I get time to,and find the Article for you and get it to you. Later,....Tater , Chuck

Chuck-- Have you heard from anyone else on this list who is related through Mary (Polly) White Burnham or Dr. John White? Also, there was a Samuel White whose only son and heir was John McWhite. Wonder why the McWhite surname and not just White... Donna

Donna and Chuck I am also a descendant of Granny White. I have info on the Whites back to the ealy 1600s in the Isle of Wight, VA. Does anyone have info where they were before that? The question about Dr John being the son of Zachariah and Granny White - They had a son John. Edythe Whitley Collection at the WIllisamson Co Library says John lived in the Harpeth Hills on the Harpeth River where he established a mill and married about 1789-90. You may already have this info - Is this the right time frame of your John? Most of the info I have on the Whites came from this library - It is a wonderful place. I can email or mail the information I have on the Whites and would love to see what info ya'll have collected. I am also researching Melville Wilkinson son of William Wilkinson of Williamson Co. Melville married Eveline White, g granddaughter of Granny White. Chuck, Thank you so much for shareing your memories of Granny White's Inn. Unfortunately when I visitied the area the Inn was gone. So sad that those treasures were not perserved. Do you know if the graves of her grandchildren buried up the hill have been kept up? Thanks again, Ruth Lyle CharlMcDowe@aol.com wrote: Donna I just noticed that myself, and I think that either Samuel was Dr. John's Dad,or Zacharias was,it will require a bit more reseach,I've seen speculation on both now. And I've sen a couple of queries on White, in the website but mostly looking for tie-ins and dates,and the like. Chuck ==== TNWILLIA Mailing List ==== PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, requests for help, and other genealogical related information that is of interest to researchers of Williamson County, Tennessee. If you have questions or comments let me know. Gloria Briley Mayfield - LadyTexian@tcainternet.com - keeper of the list. Williamson County Web Site: http://www.tngenweb.org/williamson/

Chuck-- Tennesee Tidbits 1778-1914, Vol.1, is a book at the library compiled by Marjorie Hood Fischer. I've had the pages on the WHITE surname (sent to me by another researcher) in my file for some time and only recently, while trying to organize all my Crockett info, looked at it again and understood it better. There are several entries on various WHITEs there so if anyone on the list is interested and doesn't have a copy, I'll check to see if I can connect to their family for them. Thanks for posting the Granny White information. What an interesting bit of history with such a sad ending. I'd love to have a copy of the article. The possibility that Dr. John was her son is definitely something to ponder. Have you ever heard from anyone from the BURNHAM/White line? Donna

Oh yes Donna, We are also kin to the Fisher's,Crow(e),Dobson,Goodrich,Hixon,Hixson, Randolph,Ross,Ransom.McGavock,McKenzie,McFadden,Read,Reed,Rice,Sawyer,Sayer, Sively,Graham, and Fryer's, amoung others..so you see we are always looking at everything! Chuck

Hi Donna,and good morning! I'm glad to here that you want to get with others that are serious,you should!!! Espeacially if you want answers,Huh? What is this Tn. Tidbits you spoke of? Is it something written,edited, and distributed online in N.C. through a Historic Society or Association? Can someone subscribe to it? I have an article about "Granny White" in my Newspaper Clippings book somewhere,I'll dig it up as not only you and the 6 or 7 others that responded as well as T.Vance Little (Local Author,Lawyer,Historian) are inquiring, and there just isn't enough on Her out there !!! Let me tell you a little story about a greedy As____!!! I grew up seeing and wondering about "Granny White's Inn", it was on get this; "Granny White Pk.", a road about 7 houses down the street from me and I either crossed it,travelled on it,spoke of it etc.,nearly every day of my life from the age of 2-16yrs. Granny's Inn was Quite Famous then and I believe is even more Famous now...and the Man that owned the land that Her Inn was Still Standing On, although it was only a small portion of the original, that had numerous rooms and Additions.built on the original Cabin. When I was abt 4yrs old my Dad took me west/southwest on GrannyWhite pk. and showed me the Family's old Homestead in Brentwood,we had to drive right past Granny White's Inn on the way;even at the tender age of 4 yrs. I had a Serious sense of wonder about things that were OLD and HISTORIC,so when I asked my Dad what that old House was,He told me all about Granny White and that even though Her Inn was off of the "Trace" (Natchez Trace) which ran about 4 1/2 miles west from there,that people travelling the Trace would make a "B-line" to "Granny's Tavern". The likes of Andrew Jackson,Aaron Burr,James K. Polk,and Merriwether Lewis,as well as members of the White family,notably you can bet that Dr. John White and His brothers and cousins,also McDowell's,Hayes's,Sawyer's,McGavock's,and the Crockett's, including Davey Crockett who did not live in the immeadiate area,but often had visits with his family that like the rest mentioned before only lived within 2-3 miles down the road from the Inn (withe the exception of Jackson,Burr,Polk and Lewis,who lived futher away) All of the local Explorer's/Adventure'ers came by as often as they could,because Granny White was known as a very Colorful,and Flamboyant Innkeeper,that was one "Hell of a Cook" as someone said,and always had good Spirits around for Patrons to consume. At the time of my 1st visit I was hooked on the place! I often came by to look at it,something drew me near,little did I know that She was probably my Ancestor. The Inn had two other additions left that were originally added on to the center buiiding,which was the 1st. structure I believe, One day I drove past and they had demolished one side of the structure,because it had fallen down, now get this; The owner of the property the Inn sat on had ordered the Demo- lition and the State and Local Historic Agencies wanted the Remains to Preserve,and this Man would not let them, he didn't care about History and didn't want people comming by to stare at the place,even though he didn't live on the property itself,and swore he would "Tear the Inn down and make sure no one got the remains" ! And this he did in the early 80's,and thus ended a Unique and Colorful Part of Early American Pioneer History that should be and would have been around if not for the GREED of one person. I'll locate the article as soon as I can for you and send you a copy or give you the online location of the Article so you can share it with Family. Chuck McDowell *** P.S. It is possible that Dr. John White was Granny White's son, (Mary/Polly Burnam) who married Zacharia White is my 6th GrGrandmother,so I'm intrested in this very much.

Yes I know that is why I sent out the e-mail to the wholJl group that connects to Johnson-johnstons of Washington Co. Nc to Sullivan Co. NC and Hawkins Co. Tn:: I will also forward this as a reminder. SO far Janet G. has responded and she has a Known Moses Johnson cousin male, but wouldn't see him tell her family re-union next month.. The Known Terisha Johnson Male descendant is lost to me, so that is why I asked Peg on his info as we got it from Mr. and Mrs. WHitfield the County Historians of Humphreys Co. Tn. Cass Johnson is one of our researcher in our Group::: I know we have Cousin Connections and he also descends from the Same Surname as Cousin Olen Johnson does. I think this is a Spencer or a Coleman Connection. Olen also descends from a Known WIlliam Hatcher the Immigrant descendant, Jameston Hatcher ::: Note of INterest is the Hatcher, Edward Deeds of Varina Parish:: This is a DNA Great Grand uncle ( 6 to 8 times)to the majority of our Group in Dickson and Humphreys and Hawkins Co. Tn and also to Olen Johnson::: Edward Hatchers Lands in 1685 where next to those of Michael Johnson and John John Johnson on the N. side of James River. I would also ask any known researchers of Johnson-Johnston with males cousins of Dickson,Humphreys Co. Williamson and Hawkins Co. to participate in this DNA Study of Harold Johnson's as this will help us all. Thanks Tony L. Johnson >From: "Harold Johnson" <hjohnson@chesapeake.net> >To: "Tony L Johnson" <TJstubby@msn.com> >Subject: DNA test >Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:06:16 -0400 > > >Tony, keep in mind that the "Y" DNA test is only for male off-springs of a >Johnson male. A male off-spring of a Johnson female will not work. >Harold > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Here is one answer back from one of my Hatcher Cousins whose Moses Johnson >and wife Sarah ( Powell) is in teh Big River Baptist Church of Hawkins Co. >I >forgot one of Moses Johnsons off spring is named Hudson Johnson ::: ALso >this might be another Johnson lines as Agness Johnson used the middle >intial >P. in her name. a possible indication of P for Powell. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >

I am looking for early Johnson-Johnston info of Williamson Co. Tn or its parent Counties, any an all information is appreciated as I know have info that my Hudson Johnston was there from 1801 to 1803::: any information is greatly appreciated on Early Johnson- Johnston and Murrell's of Williamson Co. Tn. Thanks Tony l. Johnson

Chuck -- I'm in the Piedmont area of NC. According to the TN Tidbits copy I have, Dr. John's wife was Sally something. I totally understand what you mean about so many names, etc. in your head! Your sister had contacted me, too, and I'm ready to team together and see what we can come up with. Anybody else on the list that thinks they have a connection and has been following, please let us know. Also, if you don't have a copy of the TN Tidbits info on the Whites by Marjorie Fisher, let me know and I'll see if there's any WHITE info there for you. There are several listed. Donna

YOU MUST BE IN THE OUTER BANKS,OR CLOSE TO THERE HUH? I ALREADY HAVE A LOT ON THE WHITE'S IN MY PERSONAL LIBRARY.I'LL TAKE A LOOK AND SEE WHAT I CAN FIND AND SEND YOU AN EMAIL OR COPY THE PAGES AND SEND YOU A POUCH IF YOU PREFER. I WISH I COULD REMEMBER DR. JOHN'S WIFES NAME TOO...THATS THE PROBLEM WHEN YOU ARE A GENEOLOGIST, YOU HAVE ALL THESE NAME,DATES,PLACES,AND CONNECTIONS ROLLING AROUND IN YOUR HEAD AND IT GETS OVERWHELMING TRYING TO REMEMBER IT ALL!!!! I HAVE A COUPLE OF IDEAS FOR YOU THAT MIGHT PRODUCE A FEW RESULTS,THEY WOULD BE..... 1. TYPE IN ....usgenweb, got to the Search Engine, key in ,...White Family, or just plain White, and see if you don't get about 50-2000 hits on that name,save the web address on you PC...start checking out each and every item (Long, Tedious,Boring,Laborious,- repetative) you'll find things you didn't even think of....unless you've done this already!!! 2. Type in ....myfamily.com...check it out for White's,etc. then go to this web address to see if there is a DNA Project (I believe that there is) for the White Family,this is always a sure way to find other family members and info. Try that stuff, if you haven't yet already. Chuck

Chuck-- Your sister is about 1 1/2 hours away from me. I'm actually in Clemmons, NC. I've tried searching the Williamson Co. site for info on the WHITE family, but haven't found much available there. I will hold off on contacting the library there since you're so close and no doubt can do much more than an inquiry from me would accomplish. Let me know what I can do from here to help. Any idea what Dr. White's wife's (Sally) maiden name was or who John H. married? My Eliza's death certificate lists her parents as John and Mary. Donna Crockett Mowery

Someone may have already answered this but I could not find a marriage license for my great grandfather (Ezekial Wall) and his wife Fannie Wall. I thought it might carry more information on Fannie's real name. When I visited Williamson Co Library, Doris Douglass took maybe 5 minutes and sure enough she found the record of their marriage (in Marshall Co TN!). It gave the information I was looking for, Fannie's name being Mary Frances Walls. I then began poking around online with Marshall Co TN because up until then I had no reason to think that Ezekial Wall would be in Marshall Co or Fannie. Turns out that Ezekial's father Alexander Anderson Wall had land there, etc... So the short answer, yes their marriage records is wonderful and the researcher was wonderful to somehow use other records to determine that the marriage could be in Marshall Co TN. I also have not found a marriage license for my grandfather and grandmother and I learned from Doris Douglass about the records that were burned (lost) from Williamson Co and more than likely their marriage records were lost based on the probable range of years that they married and their names, etc...At least now I am not caught up or looking so much for their marriage license now that I know the record is probably lost..... Melinda

Hi everyone; Just wanted to throw my two cents in, about the Wiliiamson Co. library. After I had hit a brick wall, I called the Williamson Co Public Library, wondering what records they might have. I spoke to a Mrs Doris Douglass in the Special Collection Dept. (ph: 615-595-1246) who was just wonderful. In about a week, I received a packet of copies of obits, marriage/death records, cemetery roster, census, even a death certificate. I'm still entering the info in my database! When I get down there, I plan to personally visit Mrs Douglass and hug her neck. What a very special lady, who went the extra mile for me...and helped to break my brick wall! Good luck to all and don't give up! Our ancestors want their stories told. Gayle Gayle Hennington-Van Horn UDC Macon County, NC UDC Great Granddaughters Assoc Family Roots N' Branches http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~vanhornfamily/index.htl ----- Original Message ----- From: <CharlMcDowe@aol.com> To: <TNWILLIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [TNWILLIA] WHITE > Hey donna, I think you are on to something there,I haven't been working the > White's very > much due to the DNA Project, but I think you are right....Cousin!!! And yes > I do live about > 16 miles from the Williamson Co. Archives,and they all know us there,I've > never had a nicer > group of people to work with before, but Ms. Lynch and the girls are just > Super!!! I have a > Sister in Lincolnton, N.C.,is that close to you? I'll be glad to see what > I can find on the White's for Both of us,at the Archives in Williamsom > Co.,(Franklin Tn.) it will intrest you to > know that the Tennessee State Archives is the same distance east of me as > well, if you ever got here,for about 4 days,you could get lots of juicy > stuff,because they are both fine Archives > and very well kept,although we need more volunteers for transcription. > Chuck > > > > ==== TNWILLIA Mailing List ==== > PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, requests > for help, and other genealogical related information that is of interest > to researchers of Williamson County, Tennessee. If you have questions > or comments let me know. Gloria Briley Mayfield - LadyTexian@tcainternet.com - > keeper of the list. Williamson County Web Site: > http://www.tngenweb.org/williamson/ >

Hi Pat, have you looked at Maury co.,or Marshall Co. Tn. yet? Ther are several McCracken's around there.remember,all the "Mc's" stuck together so if you find 2 you'll find 32 so to speak. I am not up on the White's very well right now,since I've been doing the McDowell end of things,and there seems to be 2 or 3 families of White's around middle Tn.,in the late 1700's -mid 1800's but they are most likely related to each other. I will look at my Library and see what I've got and post it for you if I have anything, or I'll post what I can obtain from my sister ,or both. Chuck McDowell

Hey donna, I think you are on to something there,I haven't been working the White's very much due to the DNA Project, but I think you are right....Cousin!!! And yes I do live about 16 miles from the Williamson Co. Archives,and they all know us there,I've never had a nicer group of people to work with before, but Ms. Lynch and the girls are just Super!!! I have a Sister in Lincolnton, N.C.,is that close to you? I'll be glad to see what I can find on the White's for Both of us,at the Archives in Williamsom Co.,(Franklin Tn.) it will intrest you to know that the Tennessee State Archives is the same distance east of me as well, if you ever got here,for about 4 days,you could get lots of juicy stuff,because they are both fine Archives and very well kept,although we need more volunteers for transcription. Chuck

I am a descendant of White's from Williamson Co Zachariah White and Lucy (Lucinda) Wilson (Granny WHite)came from NC. Zachariah was killed at Fort Nashboro in 1781 and Granny White had a inn on what is now Granny White Pike. I descended from their son Benjamine and Avaiah Dean who lived in Willismason Co. They had a daughter Elizabeth and a son Cary whom I descended from. Cary married Nancy Schultz (Shule) and they moved to TX in 1834. If you think these are any of your lines I would like to compare notes. Ruth Lyle Pat Oliver <woliver@hiwaay.net> wrote: >Hi Pat, have you looked at Maury co.,or Marshall Co. Tn. yet? Ther are >several McCracken's around there.remember,all the "Mc's" stuck together so if >you find 2 >you'll find 32 so to speak. I am not up on the White's very well right >now,since I've been >doing the McDowell end of things,and there seems to be 2 or 3 families of >White's >around middle Tn.,in the late 1700's -mid 1800's but they are most likely >related to each >other. I will look at my Library and see what I've got and post it for you >if I have anything, >or I'll post what I can obtain from my sister ,or both. Chuck McDowell > Thanks Chuck. I've looked at the Maury County McCrackens over the years because at least one branch moved from Maury to Yalobusha Co., MS in the 1830s and that seemed to match my John L. McCracken bn 1839 MS but whose parents and siblings were all born TN. Unfortunately for me, the descendents of this particular branch don't appear have a missing male McCracken of the appropriate age group. I'm trying to arrange for some of this line to have the Y-DNA test for my McCracken Y-DNA Project to see if they match my McCracken Uncle but don't have any leads at all for any descendents of the Williamson County McCrackens. -- Pat Oliver (Willis P. Oliver) woliver@hiwaay.net ************************************************************* * * * Proud to sponsor these Western Kentucky Genealogy Pages: * * * * http://home.hiwaay.net/~woliver/caldwell.html * * http://home.hiwaay.net/~woliver/crittenden.html * * http://home.hiwaay.net/~woliver/livingston.html * * http://home.hiwaay.net/~woliver/lyon.html * * http://home.hiwaay.net/~woliver/marshall.html * * http://fly.hiwaay.net/~woliver/Oliver_YDNA.html * * http://fly.hiwaay.net/~woliver/McCracken_YDNA.html * * * ************************************************************* ==== TNWILLIA Mailing List ==== PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, requests for help, and other genealogical related information that is of interest to researchers of Williamson County, Tennessee. If you have questions or comments let me know. Gloria Briley Mayfield - LadyTexian@tcainternet.com - keeper of the list. Williamson County Web Site: http://www.tngenweb.org/williamson/

>Hi Pat, have you looked at Maury co.,or Marshall Co. Tn. yet? Ther are >several McCracken's around there.remember,all the "Mc's" stuck together so if >you find 2 >you'll find 32 so to speak. I am not up on the White's very well right >now,since I've been >doing the McDowell end of things,and there seems to be 2 or 3 families of >White's >around middle Tn.,in the late 1700's -mid 1800's but they are most likely >related to each >other. I will look at my Library and see what I've got and post it for you >if I have anything, >or I'll post what I can obtain from my sister ,or both. Chuck McDowell > Thanks Chuck. I've looked at the Maury County McCrackens over the years because at least one branch moved from Maury to Yalobusha Co., MS in the 1830s and that seemed to match my John L. McCracken bn 1839 MS but whose parents and siblings were all born TN. Unfortunately for me, the descendents of this particular branch don't appear have a missing male McCracken of the appropriate age group. I'm trying to arrange for some of this line to have the Y-DNA test for my McCracken Y-DNA Project to see if they match my McCracken Uncle but don't have any leads at all for any descendents of the Williamson County McCrackens. -- Pat Oliver (Willis P. Oliver) woliver@hiwaay.net ************************************************************* * * * Proud to sponsor these Western Kentucky Genealogy Pages: * * * * http://home.hiwaay.net/~woliver/caldwell.html * * http://home.hiwaay.net/~woliver/crittenden.html * * http://home.hiwaay.net/~woliver/livingston.html * * http://home.hiwaay.net/~woliver/lyon.html * * http://home.hiwaay.net/~woliver/marshall.html * * http://fly.hiwaay.net/~woliver/Oliver_YDNA.html * * http://fly.hiwaay.net/~woliver/McCracken_YDNA.html * * * *************************************************************

Chuck- Do you live in the Williamson Co. area? I'm in NC so can't go to the archives. What do you know about Dr. White and his family? I've been trying to break down this huge brick wall for years. My 3rd g.grandmother was Eliza P. White. She was living with Eliza P. White Goff and her son, Thomas Jr., in the household of Gray P. Webb in Maury Co. in 1850. I think the older Eliza was your Ollie's sister and their brother was John H. White; possibly my Eliza's father. Any information you can give me will be helpful. This is the first break I've had in 10 years. Donna

I THINK THE JOHN WHITE YOU ARE SPEAKING OF IS THE FATHER OF THE JOHN WHITE IN WILLIAMSON CO. CHUCK