I am having trouble posting to the list because I initially was subscribed as: Mountainman@netxn.com but my server changed names and therefore the address changed to Mountainman@ncinternet.net ..... I can't unsubscribe from the old address because I'm not recognized... please unsubscribe the old address and then add the new one? Paulette Williams I hear ethereal whispers persuasive,soft and still, "Daughter,if you don't remember us,who will?" ----- Original Message ----- From: <TNWHITE-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <TNWHITE-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 6:50 PM Subject: TNWHITE-D Digest V99 #135

In view of my previous post, just in case others come to the wrong conclusion, I must reiterate that as yet there is no POSITIVE PROOF that Nelly Looper was in fact ELLENDER RICE. Several things fit my scenario, but it will take considerable research to determine IF I am right about Eleanor being "Nelly" Looper. I must not jump to conclusions. However, it is a definite fact that there were two William Rices in White County by 1825, and that the one that was there in 1820 was NOT mine as I had previously and erroneously supposed. The census data just does not jive with my William's data from the 1830 census. However, the census data from Pendleton District of South Carolina in 1820 is consistant with William's data in 1830. There is also the matter of the name "Logan" appearing in my Rice families. In checking the Pendleton District records, the William Rice found there was living in very close proximity to Logans. Therefore, the names of Logan Mansfield Rice and William Logan Rice MAY prove to have had their source from this family in Pendleton District of South Carolina. The pieces do seem to fit, however superficially. If anyone runs across any data which may help prove or disprove my THEORY, and at present it is ONLY theory, I hope that you will contact me immediately. Thanks! Will Smith

FINALLY! A breakthrough! William B. Rice of White county, TN is NOT the same William Rice who was there in White county in 1820. The 1820 William Rice was living on Cumberland Mountain, on the headwaters of the Caney Fork as early as 1819, when he received several land grants on the old stage coach road on Cumberland Mountain, and was much older than our William Rice on the Falling Water. William in 1820 had three sons in his household, while William Rice has two sons in his household in 1820 S.C. and two sons in 1830 White County. The William Rice on Cumberland Mountain vanishes by 1830, and was associated with an Enoch Rice, Mary Rice, and a George W. Miller. It now appears that OUR William Rice was in old Pendleton District of South Carolina in 1820, and Eleanor/Ellender Rice was actually Ellender "Nelly" LOOPER, daughter of Joseph Looper and Mary Magness of Overton County, TN. Joseph Looper was in Pendleton County, South Carolina records in 1790, 1800, 1810 and 1820. A Joseph Looper Jr. appears in Overton County land grant records as early as 1823, and his son Magness Looper was there by 1820. William Rice appears in White county during the same time frame, and was one of two William Rices in White county on the 1825 tax list. While no DEFINITE proof has been found to tie these two families together as far as court records are concerned, census data shows that "Ellender" Rice was born about 1792 in South Carolina, which fits the description of "Nelly" Looper daughter of Joseph Looper like a glove. Joseph Looper had sons by the names of Joseph and Samuel. William and Eleanor/Ellender Rice had grandsons named Joseph and Samuel. If anyone has additional information to help substantiate this information, please contact me immediately. We are in need of some proof that Ellender was indeed "Nelly" Looper, which it now appears she very well may have been. Will Smith

Could someone please tell me why that last message regarding "Dark Side of the Internet" was converted to MIME format? I did not send it out that way. Will Listowner Judd-l

Is anyone working with any Kerr families in Whites County from the earliest days of white County, to about 1870? Nancy ===== Nancy Pfannenstiel Rt. 1 Box 39 Quinter, KS 67752-9801 joenstephanie@rocketmail.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

Looking for court records pertaining to Bastardy Bonds, the mother named in these records would be Saleta Scott. Father may have been Dr. William Hays.Saleta Scott had children in 1875,1877,1879,1883,1886 and 1889. Did this type record exist in White County for this time period?

Sorry folks, I didn't know that would post in mime format. Anyway, go by and read the story about the Brassell hanging on Billygoat Hill in Cookeville in 1878, in the features section of the Herald Citizen at: http://www.herald-citizen.com/ This is the September 19th edition. Thanks Will

I messed up on the location of the Matt Hickey Cemetery. It is actually located in Putnam County and has been moved to the Putnam County page. I am sorry for the inconvenience. Mitzi

Hi all! I'd love to hear from anyone looking for DENTON and related families. My Denton Family Genealogy website now has over 26,000 folks listed in the on-line database. Some of the major family names are: Denton, Moore, Hunt, Reneau, Chastain, Smith, Cooper, Montgomery, Plumlee, French, Shipman, Baker and more. If you visit, I hope you find a connection. If so, please let me know and I'll be most happy to share whatever I can. Thanks and blessings! Sue Montgomery-Cook Denton Family Genealogy: http://www.acun.com/dentons Home e-mail: iamsue@acun.com

Gloria Spurlock message regarding Thomas Durham, September 8. I know nothing of Thomas Durham, but could he relate to these White Co. Durhams? Pleasant Farley married a Durham. The Farleys came to White Co. TN very early from Caswell Co., NC and that area (into lower VA). Lucretia Durham married George Hutson, Jr following the War of 1812. She and George lived out their lives in White Co. George was son of George and Creasey Hutson of Old Pendleton District, SC (Pickins Co.) Elizabeth Durham married Wm Hutson, brother of George above. Census says she was born in SC. Relatives say she was daughter of an Isham Durham. (I've never found an Isham Durham). They had 4 young sons on the 1820 White Co., TN census, so could have married in SC or White Co. Several children were born in White Co. before they removed to Cole Co., MO where other Durhams also lived. Sally Durham, 1830 census, White Co., TN lived between my Hutsons with 2 small sons. David Durham (not on 1840 White Co. census) had sons William and George. Wm H. Hutson became their guardian in 1841 in White Co. George Durham married Mary Jane Poe in White Co., March 7, 1848, but was not on the 1850 census there. How are these Durhams related to each other? Who are their parents and where did they come from? Bonnie Reach, Alba, TX -----Original Message----- From: GCS2PKJ@aol.com <GCS2PKJ@aol.com> To: TNWHITE-L@rootsweb.com <TNWHITE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 8:23 PM Subject: [TNWHITE] Durham's in White County? >Hi ya'all. I'm trying to find information in White County on the family of >Thomas J. Durham, b. about 1820. > >Thanks, >Gloria Durham Spurlock > > >==== TNWHITE Mailing List ==== >For the best in Tennessee Genealogy, please visit the TNGenWeb Site at http://www.tngenweb.org/ > >

Hello Everyone, Below is a list of the cemeteries for White County that I have been recently uploaded to the Tennessee Tombstone Project. They are linked from http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/tenn.html Mitzi Isom Cemetery Contributed by Gary A. Hobbs Bethlehem Cemetery (Partial Listing) Black Oak Cemetery (Partial Listing) Dobbs Cemetery (Partial Listing) Hickey Cemetery (Partial Listing) Highland Cemetery (Partial Listing) Matt Hickey Cemetery (Partial Listing) New Blue Cemetery (Partial Listing) Oak Lawn Cemetery (Partial Listing) Old Zion Cemetery (Partial Listing) Plainview Cemetery (Partial Listing) Plumview Cemetery (Partial Listing) Scurlock Cemetery (Partial Listing) Spring Hill Cemetery (Partial Listing) Wilhite - Key Community Cemetery (Partial Listing) Contributed by Janel Woodbury Saylors Cemetery (Partial Listing) Contributed by Janel Woodbury and Mitzi Freeman France Cemetery (Partial Listing) Contributed by Dale Welch Greenwood Cemetery (Partial Listing) Preston Heights Cemetery (Partial Listing) Contributed by Lin Joyce

-----Original Message----- From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON> To: bereach@peoplescom.net <bereach@peoplescom.net>; bereach <bereach> Date: Thursday, September 16, 1999 8:48 AM Subject: Returned mail: User unknown >The original message was received at Thu, 16 Sep 1999 08:48:24 -0500 (CDT) >from peop212.peoplescom.net [204.0.160.212] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ><TNWHITE@rootsweb.com> > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >... while talking to bl-3.rootsweb.com.: >>>> RCPT To:<TNWHITE@rootsweb.com> ><<< 550 <TNWHITE@rootsweb.com>... User unknown >550 <TNWHITE@rootsweb.com>... User unknown > > ----- Original message follows ----- > >Return-Path: bereach@peoplescom.net >Received: from bereach.peoplescom.net (peop212.peoplescom.net [204.0.160.212]) by roadrunner.sig.net (8.9.0.Beta3/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA00779 for <TNWHITE@rootsweb.com>; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 08:48:24 -0500 (CDT) >Message-ID: <000a01bf004a$d83fc120$d4a000cc@bereach.peoplescom.net> >Reply-To: "Bonnie Reach" <bereach@peoplescom.net> >From: "Bonnie Reach" <bereach@peoplescom.net> >To: <TNWHITE@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Fw: [DURHAM] DURHAM in Warren Co., TN >Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:22:58 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > >I thought this would be of interest to those of us searching for Durham in >White Co. Bonnie >-----Original Message----- >From: Imawakr@aol.com <Imawakr@aol.com> >To: DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com <DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 8:51 AM >Subject: [DURHAM] DURHAM in Warren Co., TN > > >>Hello List >> The following was listed under Guardianship in Warren Co., TN records. >>Mary in AZ :) >> >> "Joseph H. DURHAM & other (Recipt?) to Thomas DURHAM" >> State of TN., Warren County >> We the undersigned being of full and lawful age do hereby >>certify that we have this day received of Thomas DURHAM >>our Guardian all the legacy left us by the last will of >>Joseph HADEN/HADIN, deceased. Which will was made >>in the state of North Carolina. ?? one negro woman named >>Liza and her children first Metilda Pulina and Charlotte. >>Also the sum of Two Hundred seventy six dollars and >>seventy two and a half cents which we acknowledge our selves >>satisfied . With (can't read) and seals this 1st day of November 1833 >>(then there is their 3 unreadable names) >>Joseph H. DURHAM-- >>(cannot read name)??? Asineth H. DURHAM-- >>Thomas A. DURHAM >> >> >>==== DURHAM Mailing List ==== >>Please post your family info, and your MOST WANTED! >> >> > > >

Hi, I hate to tell you but the information in the marriage book is all there is on some of the first ones. But I think that is correct. The office will give you a certified statement of the marriage if that helps or that was what I saw them doing for people trying to get into the DAR. They got in I guess it worked. There are a few later 1800's with a bond still there but I want to say it is after the 1870's but it has been a long time since I looked at the bonds. They are not all there only a few.I would think it was Mrs. Delma Wallace, retired school teacher who did the look up when she could. I do not know if she is able to do those now or not. As for the staff to look up that information would be very expensive to the taxpayers. I believe all the court house material in the County Court Clerks office is on micro film or that was my understanding also. I wonder how many people on this list knows how to work the Court house records. It is very interesting but I usually find a lot of people do not learn to work or read the hand writing of the 1800's. I do remember the cost of having plastic over the first will book and having a new outside bound is several thousand of dollars each. Hillra

Maybe things have changed. I was last there in 1993 or so. The couty clerk's office people were quite friendly and helpful. They allowed me into the vault where the records were kept and gave me a chance to look for what i needed. I had no trouble with that part -- what i did have a problem with was the mail requests. Those are the ones that produced the certicates I memntioned. I asked for photocopies of the pages in the marriage books, but that request was referred to a Delma Wallace who sent the certificates. John & Sandy Brandt wrote: > In defense of the White Co. Courthouse in Sparta: I found them, the > courthouse staff, to be extremely friendly, courteous, and helpful. > Somewhere in the bottom of my notes from that trip (Oct.1998), I have the > name of the lovely Octogenarian woman, who has done an immense amount of > genealogical work in that courthouse-for others, by mail, and for every > visitor. She led and assisted me through ALL of the records I wanted to > find! Perhaps, she, for what ever reason, is no longer available to do this > work. The > staff in the Clerk's Office were the first to admit their lack of > experience and knowledge with those records and were kept quite busy with > usual Clerk functions throughout my visit. Nobody was sitting on their > hands. This may be a case of "changing of the guard" and the new person may > feel a bit overwhelmed. Try to fit a visit to Sparta into your travels; > it's N of Chattanooga, Tn., has a nice motel and B&B, and the area is > beautiful!-esp. in fall! As Paul Harvey says; "there's always the rest of > the story!" > Good luck! My ancestors were HENSLEY and VOLIVA. > Sandra Brandt > brandt@comwares.net > ---------- > > From: Bruce Bumbalough <brucebumbalough@home.com> > > To: TNWHITE-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [TNWHITE] Records > > Date: Monday, September 13, 1999 9:11 AM > > > > Good luck! > > > > Several years ago I requested several marriage records for Bumbaloughs > from White County. The request was sent to the White County Clerk and > > then referred to a person in charge of old records. She sent me > certificates that party X had married party Y on date Z and that in > information > > appeared on the XX page of marriage book YY. It was little more than > what I had learned from the marriage books about White County. > > > > I notice that the Genealogy Society there is getting the requests now. > Maybe they will actually go to the courthouse, dig the information out > > and make copies for you. I would ask for that. > > > > White County government seems quite uncooperative when it comes to > helping genealogy researchers. > > > > Bruce Bumbalough > > Watauga, TX > > > > Debra Summers wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > I called the county clerk's office in Sparta TN this morning to get > fees for > > > ordering the marriage certificate of my gggrandparents for 14 March > 1859 > > > and was advised that as they did not have a genealogist on staff I had > to > > > send my request for fees and anything else to the Genealogical Society > c/o > > > City Hall in Sparta. The address I was given was E. Bockman Way, Sparta > TN. > > > So anyone planning to order a certificate, I guess this is the way we > have to go > > > about it. > > > Debra Summers > > > > > > ==== TNWHITE Mailing List ==== > > > For researching White County, Tennessee Genealogy, please visit Sandy > Keathley's White County TNGenWeb Site at http://www/tngenweb.org/white/ > > > > > > ==== TNWHITE Mailing List ==== > > For the best in Tennessee Genealogy, please visit the TNGenWeb Site at > http://www.tngenweb.org/

My father and his first wife were married in 1928 in Sparta. Through Deb Austin and Jan Fodrocy I was able to get a copy of the marriage certificate. I think I also got a copy of the marriage certificate of my father's parents. they married in 1903. DIANA M WILLIAMS wrote: > When I was in White Co in 1984, they assured me that they had NO marriage > certificates, only the ledger book. > I had them copy the the page even though the entry was one line, and > stamp it as a certified copy. That was the best they would do. No > additional information of any kind than what is in the book. I have > wondered if in later years, such as 1880's or later, that certificates might > exist. Bruce Bumbalough Watauga, Texas

Hello, I have upgraded my website today and have added a few more links. I have also changed some music files, added info to my Howell page, and have finally gotten some jpeg's of my oil paintings up on my online gallery. If you get a chance, drop by and check it out! Thanks! Will Smith http://www.ficom.net/members/wolfslayer/

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1CB43125F4AD27A5C9687A52 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Subject: Re: Surname > Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:01:09 -0400 (EDT) > From: M2b1g@aol.com > To: ladyejane@InfoAve.Net > > > > > received your e-mail regarding Dalton. This should go to White County, TN as > Sparta is in that county. Thank you so much. > jane > --------------1CB43125F4AD27A5C9687A52 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <37DC6B9A.579F0AD4@infoave.net> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:12:26 -0500 From: Ladye Hunter <ladyejane@infoave.net> Reply-To: ladyejane@infoave.net Organization: infoave.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: M2b1g@aol.com Subject: Surname Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I received the item below from you. Did you want this to go to White County, TN TNGenWeb or Trousdale County, TN, TNGenWeb? Ladye Hunter County Coordinator, Trousdale Co., TN http://www.rootsweb.com/~tntrousd/ > Subject: Trousdale surname > Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 08:08:19 -0700 > From: Nobody <nobody@c-5.rootsweb.com> > To: ladyejane@InfoAve.Net > > Dalton > White (sparta,Tn) > abt. 1858-1860 > Jane <M2b1g@aol.com> > > --------------1CB43125F4AD27A5C9687A52--

I retired a couple of years ago From the recorders Office. I know how Rude and Inconsiderate the Geneaologist can be Every one in these offices has a full time job and are busy all the time. When someone comes in they are doubly busy. Instead of being quiet and just searching they stand beside some one writing in the records and say very loud to who ever they are with. Oh look what i found and start reading aloud. needless to say The Genealogist arent making them selves Welcome. Then they want copies NOW of everything. The personel are lots nicer than they could be. Also most of The genealogical Societys are run by volunteers. that are swamped. So quit griping and be a little nicer and more Considerate. They are allowed to charge what they want for copies. Every where I have gone to do Research I try to do as I would have loked to be Treated. Also Hardly any one ever sends a Sase and expect a answer. Eula Blakesley 0000000. 0.0 0 \] 0I

In defense of the White Co. Courthouse in Sparta: I found them, the courthouse staff, to be extremely friendly, courteous, and helpful. Somewhere in the bottom of my notes from that trip (Oct.1998), I have the name of the lovely Octogenarian woman, who has done an immense amount of genealogical work in that courthouse-for others, by mail, and for every visitor. She led and assisted me through ALL of the records I wanted to find! Perhaps, she, for what ever reason, is no longer available to do this work. The staff in the Clerk's Office were the first to admit their lack of experience and knowledge with those records and were kept quite busy with usual Clerk functions throughout my visit. Nobody was sitting on their hands. This may be a case of "changing of the guard" and the new person may feel a bit overwhelmed. Try to fit a visit to Sparta into your travels; it's N of Chattanooga, Tn., has a nice motel and B&B, and the area is beautiful!-esp. in fall! As Paul Harvey says; "there's always the rest of the story!" Good luck! My ancestors were HENSLEY and VOLIVA. Sandra Brandt brandt@comwares.net ---------- > From: Bruce Bumbalough <brucebumbalough@home.com> > To: TNWHITE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TNWHITE] Records > Date: Monday, September 13, 1999 9:11 AM > > Good luck! > > Several years ago I requested several marriage records for Bumbaloughs from White County. The request was sent to the White County Clerk and > then referred to a person in charge of old records. She sent me certificates that party X had married party Y on date Z and that in information > appeared on the XX page of marriage book YY. It was little more than what I had learned from the marriage books about White County. > > I notice that the Genealogy Society there is getting the requests now. Maybe they will actually go to the courthouse, dig the information out > and make copies for you. I would ask for that. > > White County government seems quite uncooperative when it comes to helping genealogy researchers. > > Bruce Bumbalough > Watauga, TX > > Debra Summers wrote: > > > Hello, > > I called the county clerk's office in Sparta TN this morning to get fees for > > ordering the marriage certificate of my gggrandparents for 14 March 1859 > > and was advised that as they did not have a genealogist on staff I had to > > send my request for fees and anything else to the Genealogical Society c/o > > City Hall in Sparta. The address I was given was E. Bockman Way, Sparta TN. > > So anyone planning to order a certificate, I guess this is the way we have to go > > about it. > > Debra Summers > > > > ==== TNWHITE Mailing List ==== > > For researching White County, Tennessee Genealogy, please visit Sandy Keathley's White County TNGenWeb Site at http://www/tngenweb.org/white/ > > > ==== TNWHITE Mailing List ==== > For the best in Tennessee Genealogy, please visit the TNGenWeb Site at http://www.tngenweb.org/

The only one of these marriages that is in the book is: Lewis Howell to Jerusha Duncan -- Dec. 19 1848, by Abe Saylor, Esq. Diana Williams