First of all let me say that I am thankful to PJ to be given the opportunity to share with you all a few things that I remember about The Weakley County I knew during my young life. Stuck way back in the corner of my brain is a picture which comes to life as I sit and search my memory. I have a picture in my memory of the frontage along the railroad tracks in Gleason during the 1940's, 1950's, and even a part of the 1960's. Mr. Richee's store was the one on the corner across from the Hotel and "Kitty cornered" from the Depot, which was on the West side of the tracks. There was a line of stores all the way down to the next intersection across from where the bank use to be. Across the tracks to the west was (and still is) Gleason High school. In the front of Mr Richee's store was a bench ,as I Remember and maybe some chairs also. The elders of Gleason use to sit there and chat with each other and with passers by. I would be in town with my "Pappy" Henry Brummitt, and, at times my Father John Ray. I would walk down the side walk and speak to these gentlemen as I passed. Among these aged Gleason Icons was a black man by the name of Eurastus White, or as everyone knew him as "Rastus" White. I would speak to him and he would always have a pleasant smile and a few kind words for me. I do not remember the others who sat with him, but my Grandfather and my Dad knew all of them. Mr. White lived to be well over 100 years of age, and when the Ray family would come back on summer vacations from Michigan, I would wander down that "Memory Lane", and there was Mr. White, still sitting there. He had lost his eyesight, but every summer when I spoke to him he would answer with "Ain't that John Ray's boy"? The Dresden would surely have a record of mr White's passing. In the cold of winter this group would be seated inside the back of the same store around a large "Pot Belly" Stove. The years have come and gone and the Elders of Gleason have all passed away, but my memory still takes me back. I am going to Paris for a reunion the latter part of September. I WILL visit Gleason and as I pass this spot, I will pause and remember, and without a doubt I will hear the words again " Ain't that John Ray's boy"? If any one of you should remember anything about this "Hallowed spot", I would be so pleased to hear from you, either on this List or at my email address [email protected] I have a website also bud ray family .net We are only here for a season folks. Some of these Gleason Icons were the relatives of some of you, for sure. I am sure that PJ would also be interested in the feed back...Bud Ray ...Michigan

Good Morning to all........ Yes Bud, I do enjoy all the stories about Weakley County.......I love Weakley County.......I have lived in the "north of Weakley" most of my life....... I wish more would tell stories of Weakley County.......come on folks join in......... And Yes to the list on Sunday with your stories..........pj

Dear pj, help with Payne, Murrell, Ross,Gale families, circa 1830-1870, Weakley county. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "pj" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 12:02 AM Subject: [TNWEAKLE] Sunday Rocking' > well it is midnight so it is officially Sunday..........Let the Rockin' > Begin > > Just a request or two.......PLEASE do your subject line to fit the email > Use CAPS for surnames > Start a new email to TnWeakle every > time...... > > thanks........who are we looking for..........pj > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

well it is midnight so it is officially Sunday..........Let the Rockin' Begin Just a request or two.......PLEASE do your subject line to fit the email Use CAPS for surnames Start a new email to TnWeakle every time...... thanks........who are we looking for..........pj

Just curious. The name Avon French sounds familiar. Maybe lived on the Fulton-Mayfield Highway? Did he have a sister Olena French who was a Health nurse? Seems to me when I was in grade school there was a nurse who wore a blue uniform and I think that was her name.I also seem to remember there was a connection to the Paul DeMyer (mayor of Fulton) family. Another couple of names came to mind with a French connection..I think...Alma and Donna Marie. Mary Louise Outgoing mail checked by Norton AntiVirus

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Thanks for the information. I was interested in proving that I was descended from the Nansemond Indian tribe through my mother's line. Does the whole line have to go through the females though? For instance my line would go through my mother and grandmother but then goes to my great grandfather and from there back to the tribe it would be through males. ----- Original Message ----- From: "marigold castle" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [TNWEAKLE] Speaking of Indians in Weakley Co. Hi Leslie, Mitochondrial DNA - it passes from mother to daughter down through the line, men have it too from their mothers but they don't pass it on apparently. The problem with MitDNA is it doesn't mutate like YDNA (the male side) so it's less useful in genealogy. Literally millions of women will match your MitDNA. It's good for confirming relationships (this is how they positively identified the body of Louis XVII) and/or for confirming things like alleged Native American or African descent (because certain forms of MitDNA are more common in certain racial/ethnic groups) but it's not very useful in general genealogy, not like YDNA anyway. Family Tree DNA can run the MitDNA test if you are interested, but the geneological use is limited. Our Mit test told us we probably don't have Native American bloodlines - on the female line that is. Any male relative wouldn't show. But other than that, the MitDNA hasn't accomplished much. Our YDNA test, on the other hand, took down a brick wall and connected us to several branches of our family back to the 17th C. --- On Sat, 8/14/10, Leslie Moore <[email protected]> wrote: From: Leslie Moore <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TNWEAKLE] Speaking of Indians in Weakley Co. To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 9:44 AM What is MitDNA? It relates to the female line? Where can I have the female DNA done? I am very interested in tracing some parts of my female lines!!!! Thanks, Leslie ----- Original Message ----- From: "marigold castle" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 1:52 AM Subject: Re: [TNWEAKLE] Speaking of Indians in Weakley Co. That's interesting, because my grandma always claimed my Williams girls (Mahala and Martha Williams) were part Cherokee. We've had our MitDNA done and it showed European heritage but, of course, that only applies to the female line, if there were any males with Native American DNA, it wouldn't show in the MitDNA in the female line. My McAbee great grandfather (son of one of the two Williams sisters) spoke an Indian language fluently and told my uncles stories about living near/with Indians, but I think that was from living in Massac Co. Illinois in his youth. --- On Wed, 8/11/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TNWEAKLE] Speaking of Indians in Weakley Co. To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 11:31 AM My Williams family of Weakley also claims Cherokee lines. My grandfather, Lawrence Virgil Williams, was born in 1865 and claimed to be one-eighth Cherokee. His father, Lawrence P. Williams, came from N.C. through East Tenn. and was a skilled woodsmen as well as farmer. He died in 1905 and though the entire family accepts the Indian heritage as truth we do not know if it came from the Williams or Cashion line. I also have an uncle named Finis (Finis Buton Williams born in Weakley around 1911. It would figure that with NC so close and the Trail going through TN, there is more to this than some families want to admit. Bobbie W. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Leslie,   Mitochondrial DNA - it passes from mother to daughter down through the line, men have it too from their mothers but they don't pass it on apparently. The problem with MitDNA is it doesn't mutate like YDNA (the male side) so it's less useful in genealogy. Literally millions of women will match your MitDNA. It's good for confirming  relationships (this is how they positively identified the body of Louis XVII) and/or for confirming things like alleged Native American or African descent (because certain forms of MitDNA are more common in certain racial/ethnic groups) but it's not very useful in general genealogy, not like YDNA anyway.  Family Tree DNA can run the MitDNA test if you are interested, but the geneological use is limited. Our Mit test told us we probably don't have Native American bloodlines - on the female line that is. Any male relative wouldn't show. But other than that, the MitDNA hasn't accomplished much. Our YDNA test, on the other hand, took down a brick wall and connected us to several branches of our family back to the 17th C.   --- On Sat, 8/14/10, Leslie Moore <[email protected]> wrote: From: Leslie Moore <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TNWEAKLE] Speaking of Indians in Weakley Co. To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 9:44 AM What is MitDNA?  It relates to the female line?  Where can I have the female DNA done?  I am very interested in tracing some parts of my female lines!!!! Thanks, Leslie ----- Original Message ----- From: "marigold castle" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 1:52 AM Subject: Re: [TNWEAKLE] Speaking of Indians in Weakley Co. That's interesting, because my grandma always claimed my Williams girls (Mahala and Martha Williams) were part Cherokee. We've had our MitDNA done and it showed European heritage but, of course, that only applies to the female line, if there were any males with Native American DNA, it wouldn't show in the MitDNA in the female line. My McAbee great grandfather (son of one of the two Williams sisters) spoke an Indian language fluently and told my uncles stories about living near/with Indians, but I think that was from living in Massac Co. Illinois in his youth. --- On Wed, 8/11/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TNWEAKLE] Speaking of Indians in Weakley Co. To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 11:31 AM My Williams family of Weakley also claims Cherokee lines. My grandfather, Lawrence Virgil Williams, was born in 1865 and claimed to be one-eighth Cherokee. His father, Lawrence P. Williams, came from N.C. through East Tenn. and was a skilled woodsmen as well as farmer. He died in 1905 and though the entire family accepts the Indian heritage as truth we do not know if it came from the Williams or Cashion line. I also have an uncle named Finis (Finis Buton Williams born in Weakley around 1911. It would figure that with NC so close and the Trail going through TN, there is more to this than some families want to admit. Bobbie W. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sometimes our troubles come to us all at once , or at least it seems that way. I know what you are feeling, because I have had the experience more than a couple of times in my own life. It has always took me a few days to recover, and I suppose that time is still one of the best healers, if we trust the Lord during that time process! I will include you in my thoughts and Prayers and trust that God will comfort you as he has me for the past 70 years! ))))smile((((. I have known times of sorrow when I wondered if I would Die just from the pain that was in my own heart! But then I remembered what God told me in his wonderful book " I will never leave you or forsake you" This always brings tears to my eyes and then I remember that I am never alone! So remember that you are being thought of and that you are never alone either. I am cancer free now, but I have chronic kidney disease which is a progressive thing, and If I manage my diabetes, I can hold it off for a few years. We have canned 21 qts. of Green beans and I am about to start juicing tomatoes. I have beets, squash, okra, a little corn and etc.........Bud Ray

PJ I'm so sorry about your recent losses. You are in my prayers. Leslie

Please don't forget to change your subject lines to fit your email............pj

What is MitDNA? It relates to the female line? Where can I have the female DNA done? I am very interested in tracing some parts of my female lines!!!! Thanks, Leslie ----- Original Message ----- From: "marigold castle" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 1:52 AM Subject: Re: [TNWEAKLE] Speaking of Indians in Weakley Co. That's interesting, because my grandma always claimed my Williams girls (Mahala and Martha Williams) were part Cherokee. We've had our MitDNA done and it showed European heritage but, of course, that only applies to the female line, if there were any males with Native American DNA, it wouldn't show in the MitDNA in the female line. My McAbee great grandfather (son of one of the two Williams sisters) spoke an Indian language fluently and told my uncles stories about living near/with Indians, but I think that was from living in Massac Co. Illinois in his youth. --- On Wed, 8/11/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TNWEAKLE] Speaking of Indians in Weakley Co. To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 11:31 AM My Williams family of Weakley also claims Cherokee lines. My grandfather, Lawrence Virgil Williams, was born in 1865 and claimed to be one-eighth Cherokee. His father, Lawrence P. Williams, came from N.C. through East Tenn. and was a skilled woodsmen as well as farmer. He died in 1905 and though the entire family accepts the Indian heritage as truth we do not know if it came from the Williams or Cashion line. I also have an uncle named Finis (Finis Buton Williams born in Weakley around 1911. It would figure that with NC so close and the Trail going through TN, there is more to this than some families want to admit. Bobbie W. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

pj to tnweakle show details 8:20 PM (14 hours ago) How about Avon FRENCH????????? Avon married my grandmothers niece -- her name was Ruby Jones from McConnell. Ruby was one of my favorite people. Avon had one leg much shorter than the other one and fished for a living. He died when I was very young. When I saw the French name floating around I remembered Ruby. Every time I went to west Tennessee I would stop by in Fulton to visit her. -- Bob Killebrew "Saepius Exertus, Semper Fidelis" "Often Tested, Always Faithful" United States Marines

pj, It is chopped apples, green tomatoes, raisins, sugar,and lots of spices. After it ages a while, it tastes like mince meat, good in pies. Eugene ----- Original Message ----- From: "pj" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 11:13 PM Subject: [TNWEAKLE] Green Tomato Mince > What in the world is this? And how do you make it? > > >> Dear pj, Rose and I canned green tomatoe mince and grape juice today. I >> am >> interested in any links between the Sebern and Martha Ross Payne family >> and >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

pj, that's a great thing to write a book of "old timey" skills. I volunteered to teach canning to the 4-H kids this coming year. Never volunteered in 4-H as a teacher before, but was shocked that no one taught canning. Kinda silly to teach about poultry and pigs and goats and all that and the kids don't know how to make jam or put up peaches. So I said I'd do it. I'm about the only person I know that still knows how to can - I learned it at my grandmother's knee (though, of course, I follow the modern government safety recommendations these days, lol). --- On Fri, 8/13/10, pj <[email protected]> wrote: From: pj <[email protected]> Subject: [TNWEAKLE] This and That and Dave in Ga To: [email protected] Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 7:17 PM Yes Dave, I have done my share of canning this year also made pictures to put in the book I am writing about old time stuff like canning.......this book is meant to be left to teach the younger ones how to can.........it is a dying art........pj

PJ, That's so sad. Saying a prayer for you and the family. --- On Fri, 8/13/10, pj <[email protected]> wrote: From: pj <[email protected]> Subject: [TNWEAKLE] This and That and Dave in Ga To: [email protected] Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 7:17 PM Yes Dave, the Indian was part of it but if you remember I asked Sunday for folks to send info........then I disappeared.......in less than a weeks time......I lost my aunt, a close friend, 56 years old, and my brother in law.......we have been in Arkansas until last night......this has been tough.......and then today while I was canning tomatoes, I thought of 46 years ago today in this very house, August 13, 1964.......my Mama and I were canning tomatoes all day long and at 6 PM tonight my Mama JONES (Lucy Caroline McCLAIN JONES) died right here in this house.......well I lost it and had a good cry for all our loved ones gone.......the chair she died in sits in my bedroom today, a wicker rocker.......as the old saying goes "I would not take a farm in Georgia for that rocker"..... Yes Dave, I have done my share of canning this year also made pictures to put in the book I am writing about old time stuff like canning.......this book is meant to be left to teach the younger ones how to can.........it is a dying art........pj > Folks, just look what has transpired because someone asked about Indian > heritage on our great list! > Many thanks to all who have replied to my Finch posting. It will take a > while to digest it all. > > PJ, I know you must be canning up a storm! We've done some canning, froze > 17 > gallons of tomato juice and a good bit of corn, beans, peas and "okry". I > love my garden!  Dave in Ga. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That's interesting, because my grandma always claimed my Williams girls (Mahala and Martha Williams) were part Cherokee. We've had our MitDNA done and it showed European heritage but, of course, that only applies to the female line, if there were any males with Native American DNA, it wouldn't show in the MitDNA in the female line. My McAbee great grandfather (son of one of the two Williams sisters) spoke an Indian language fluently and told my uncles stories about living near/with Indians, but I think that was from living in Massac Co. Illinois in his youth.   --- On Wed, 8/11/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TNWEAKLE] Speaking of Indians in Weakley Co. To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 11:31 AM My Williams family of Weakley also claims Cherokee lines.  My  grandfather, Lawrence Virgil Williams, was born in 1865 and claimed to be  one-eighth Cherokee.  His father, Lawrence P. Williams, came from N.C.  through East Tenn. and was a skilled woodsmen as well as farmer.  He died  in 1905 and though the entire family accepts the Indian heritage as truth we do  not know if it came from the Williams or Cashion line.  I also have an uncle named Finis (Finis Buton Williams born in Weakley  around 1911.  It would figure that with NC so close and the Trail going through TN, there is more to this than some families want to admit.  Bobbie W. 

What in the world is this? And how do you make it? > Dear pj, Rose and I canned green tomatoe mince and grape juice today. I > am > interested in any links between the Sebern and Martha Ross Payne family > and >

Wow, PJ! I'm so sorry for all that has happened in your life lately, and the memory of your Mama really was something! Hang in there girl! It's all we can do sometimes! ----- Original Message ----- From: "pj" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 10:17 PM Subject: [TNWEAKLE] This and That and Dave in Ga Yes Dave, the Indian was part of it but if you remember I asked Sunday for folks to send info........then I disappeared.......in less than a weeks time......I lost my aunt, a close friend, 56 years old, and my brother in law.......we have been in Arkansas until last night......this has been tough.......and then today while I was canning tomatoes, I thought of 46 years ago today in this very house, August 13, 1964.......my Mama and I were canning tomatoes all day long and at 6 PM tonight my Mama JONES (Lucy Caroline McCLAIN JONES) died right here in this house.......well I lost it and had a good cry for all our loved ones gone.......the chair she died in sits in my bedroom today, a wicker rocker.......as the old saying goes "I would not take a farm in Georgia for that rocker"..... Yes Dave, I have done my share of canning this year also made pictures to put in the book I am writing about old time stuff like canning.......this book is meant to be left to teach the younger ones how to can.........it is a dying art........pj > Folks, just look what has transpired because someone asked about Indian > heritage on our great list! > Many thanks to all who have replied to my Finch posting. It will take a > while to digest it all. > > PJ, I know you must be canning up a storm! We've done some canning, froze > 17 > gallons of tomato juice and a good bit of corn, beans, peas and "okry". I > love my garden! Dave in Ga. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear pj, Rose and I canned green tomatoe mince and grape juice today. I am interested in any links between the Sebern and Martha Ross Payne family and the Perlemo:n and Harriett Murrell Payne families. See my brick wall listing 192 for more details. The Payne family married into the Peter F. Gale family, then some of them migrated through arkansas and ended up in Peace Valley, MO. I believe Harriet Murrell Payne may have remarried a W.J. Ross of Dukedom after her husband died around 1845. Time frame for all would be 1820 to around 1870, then on to Ark. and MO.Thanks, and may all your jars seal. [email protected] [email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 9:17 PM Subject: [TNWEAKLE] This and That and Dave in Ga > Yes Dave, the Indian was part of it but if you remember I asked Sunday for > folks to send info........then I disappeared.......in less than a weeks > time......I lost my aunt, a close friend, 56 years old, and my brother in > law.......we have been in Arkansas until last night......this has been > tough.......and then today while I was canning tomatoes, I thought of 46 > years ago today in this very house, August 13, 1964.......my Mama and I > were > canning tomatoes all day long and at 6 PM tonight my Mama JONES (Lucy > Caroline McCLAIN JONES) died right here in this house.......well I lost it > and had a good cry for all our loved ones gone.......the chair she died in > sits in my bedroom today, a wicker rocker.......as the old saying goes "I > would not take a farm in Georgia for that rocker"..... > > Yes Dave, I have done my share of canning this year also made pictures to > put in the book I am writing about old time stuff like canning.......this > book is meant to be left to teach the younger ones how to can.........it > is > a dying art........pj > > >> Folks, just look what has transpired because someone asked about Indian >> heritage on our great list! >> Many thanks to all who have replied to my Finch posting. It will take a >> while to digest it all. >> >> PJ, I know you must be canning up a storm! We've done some canning, froze >> 17 >> gallons of tomato juice and a good bit of corn, beans, peas and "okry". I >> love my garden! Dave in Ga. >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >