You can start with anybody. The relationships remain constant from whichever person you start with. His first cousins are still his first cousins, etc. I think what you mean is that you start with the first common ancestors......, which for first cousins is grandparents. For second cousins, great grandparents, etc. ____________________________________ From: lunaallenjoyce@yahoo.com Reply-to: tnwayne@rootsweb.com To: tnwayne@rootsweb.com Sent: 8/19/2008 6:54:40 P.M. Central Standard Time Subj: Re: [TNWAYNE] Kinfolk? I thought you started with the grandparents? joyce ----- Original Message ---- From: David Cagle <dcagle1@charter.net> To: tnwayne@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:12:49 PM Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] Kinfolk? Joyce, I was confused by some of the answers. I think the "once removed" is the fly in the ointment. If Joyce and Pat are children of first cousins, Ethel and Trilby respectively, then Ethel is 2nd cousin to Pat and Trilby is 2nd cousin to Joyce. Then Joyce and Pat are third cousins. Then Joyce and Pat would be 4th cousins to each other's children. Each generation adds another number. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Luna" <lunaallenjoyce@yahoo.com> To: "Wayne co TN" <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:52 AM Subject: [TNWAYNE] Kinfolk? Question: My mother(Ethel) has a first cousin(trilby) They share a grandmother. (so they are first cousins.) Now Joyce is Trilby's first cousin once removed? They each have a daughter(Pat and Joyce) who share the ggrandmother. Does this make Pat and Joyce second cousins? joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1620 - Release Date: 8/19/2008 6:04 AM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)