Marcia, excuse me i have been in such a deep dig today that I cannot think. (You are correct about H.D.Allen and Mary) Now the document that I sent you a copy of from this book that Henry Davis Allen married Mary (Polly) Barnes is on the Internet in Sumner County TN., on their marriage records. They lived in Lauderdale Ala, and that is where Sarah ALLEN was born. this is what is happening to my family........we have a match but it is NOT on the ALLENS it is a HOLT.......problem is the HOLT only match with the ALLENS............SO the DNA suggests that there is another or possibly another name that is the real Ancestor. I tried not to get in a ditther about this but it is so puzzling! So please excuse me for responding in such a way! FROM THE BOOK by Granville O. Allen. Henry D. ALLEN b Edgecomb Co NC 26 Mar 1782, died Lauderdale Ala May 25, 1873. He married Mary (Polly) BARNES on Dec 18 1804, in sumner co TN., Mary was the daughter of Joseph and Selah DELOACH BARNES. This is in the Sumner Co ARchives, it has a number on the document......next time I go to that I will get the document number. sorry.........about all of this...........jal M J CUSSINS <mjcussi@q.com> wrote: You wrote: > Henry Davis Allen m. BARNES.......mother of Mary Hayes Allen. Joyce I am a little confused by this post and what lineage you are suggesting. You had shared with me the research that Henry Davis Allen married Mary Barnes and that the research suggested they were the parents of my great great grandmother Sarah E. Allen Hayes. Sarah was the mother of Mary Hayes who married James Shelton Allen . Until I can uncover some evidence of this relationship, for me, Howell Allen and his suspected spouse, Anna, remain more likely prospects as Sarah's parents, by virtue of the physical proximity to William and Sarah Hayes in the 1850 Wayne County census. I am not comfortable accepting, without reservation, either couple as Sarah's parents until some supporting evidence, with research sources, is found to favorite one or the other. Any sources of information that I might persue are welcome. Thanks Marcia > Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:38:12 -0700> From: lunaallenjoyce@yahoo.com> To: tnwayne@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] HAYES in Wayne County 1850 -1880> > Henry Davis Allen m. BARNES.......mother of Mary Hayes Allen.> joyce> M J CUSSINS wrote:> > I am reposting a updated query from several years ago in hopes that someone can add to my HAYES information. In 2003 I wrote ( edited data in bold):> > Does anyone connect to my HAYES Family in censuses for WAYNE Co, TN 1850-1860 and LEWIS Co. TN 1870-1880. Some went to Ellis Co. Texas in the 1880s. * indicates my direct line ** indicates persons known to have migrated to Texas, (Ellis & Fisher Counties) *1. WILLIAM R HAYES (b.1825-TN; d. after 1880) sp: SARAH might be Allen or Curtis or Powell (b.1830-AL;d after 1880) Determined to be ALLEN 2. Eliza Hayes (b.1845) probable spouse William T. MARTIN 2. Joseph Hayes (b.1849) possible/probable spouse Mary RICH 2. Margarett Hayes (b.1849-Wayne Co,TN;d.1924-Lewis! Co. TN) possible spouse JOHN SIMS (See Lewis County 1900 Census) */**2. JOHN WESLEY HAYES (b.1851-Wayne Co. TN;d.1916-Ellis,Dallas or Fisher Co,TX) sp: HULDA ANN GRIMES (b.1851-TN;d.1891-Ellis or Dallas County,TX) m2 Mary Elizabeth Cavendar Ellis County TX 2. Hiram /Hyrum Hayes (b.1854) spouse Lauraney GRIMES (Hulda's sister) **2. Wallace Abner (Wallis) Hayes (b.1856) spouse Sarah F. (Fannie) SIMS **2. William J. Hayes spouse Lucy Frances ? (buried Ellis Co. Texas) > Is he the Wm J Hayes that married Rhoda Pennington in TN? 2. Sarah Jane Hayes unidentified after 1880 census Is she the Jane Hayes that married Wm Brown in TN? 2. Wade H. Hayes possible/probable spouse Joanie J. HENSLEY 2. Mary Hayes married Shelton Allen lived Lawrence County, TN2. Allen Jefferson Hayes possible/probable spouses Lou Ida PENNINGTON and Mariar PENNINGTON (sisters) Lawrence County, TN 2. Newton Hayes unidentified after 1880 census (might be an adopted child Newton HINSON and might be Wall! ace Newton HAYES that married Sarah Elizabeth Hayes, daughter of John & Hulda in Ellis County TX) **2. Victoria Hayes spouse Iva (Lue) LAWSON **Children of JOHN WESLEY AND HULDA ANN GRIMES HAYES as identified in 1916 will of J. W. Hayes. 3. William J. Hayes (b.1872-TN;d.1958-TX) spouse Mary CAVENDAR? (Buried Midlothian, TX) 3. Sarah Elizabeth Hayes (b.1874;d.1940) Spouse Wallace Newton HAYES (uncle/cousin?) ( Buried Cedar Hill, TX) 3. Allen Jefferson Hayes (b.1877-TN;d.1950-TX?) Lillie Etta Hayes cousin, daughter of Wallace Abner and Sarah Sims Hayes) (Buried Midlothian, TX) 3. Haughty Ann Hayes (b.1880) unidentified after 1880 census not named in J. W.'s will 3. Obie George Hayes (b.1883) spouse Ollie BRYANT ( Buried Cedar Hill, TX) *3. Oscar Henry Hayes (b.1888-Midlothian,Ellis Co,TX;d.1968-Roby,Fisher County,TX) sp: Blanche Lillian Martin (b.1890-LA;m.1909;d.1949-Roby,Fisher County,TX) 3. Ida Hayes ( b. ? ) spouse ? Edmiston identified in will of J.W. Hayes - no other record.ThanksMarcia> > -------------------------------> To uns! ubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > > > ---------------------------------> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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