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-----Original Message----- From: tnwayne-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tnwayne-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of tnwayne-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 2:02 AM To: tnwayne@rootsweb.com Subject: TNWAYNE Digest, Vol 3, Issue 35 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Correction (Richard Hollis) 2. Re: Check out 1 st Regiment, Tennessee Cavalry - Ancestry.com (Richard Hollis) 3. Looking for Darrell West (dwest3@utk.edu) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 05:57:20 -0600 From: "Richard Hollis" <richardhollis@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] Correction To: <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <00c801c86a49$c2a48d60$6501a8c0@Laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" here is some information http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnhardin/buttermilk.html Richard Hollis 13619 Pallwood Lane Cypress, Texas 77429 http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/o/l/Richard-D-Hollis/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~kycasey/?o_xid=9872&o_lid=9872&o_xt=9872 http://www.rootsweb.com/~mostodd2/index.html http://urbanlegends.about.com/ http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushisms.htm -----Original Message----- From: tnwayne-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tnwayne-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Cagle Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 7:00 PM To: tnwayne@rootsweb.com Cc: tnhardin@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] Correction Nena, The land where Clifton sits was in Hardin County until about 1850. Following is a part of an article I wrote a while back about Clifton and the change form one county to another. The Union Gang you are referring to was mostly the 2nd Mounted Infantry, US, companies A, B, C, D, E, H and I from Wayne (and Hardin Co.) stationed at Clifton. They shouldn't get all the credit, E company of the 8th Tennessee Mounted Infantry, US was also from Wayne Co. and were stationed at Clifton for a while. Some of the men in companies G and H of the 6th Cavalry were from Wayne Co., and made their presents felt in this community. This information I got from the two volumes of "Tennesseans in the Civil War" published in 1964 by the Civil War Centennial Commission of Tennessee. I think this information is on line somewhere. David Clifton Tennessee What is today the town of Clifton, in 1821 was the farm of Stephen Roach who was the first Coroner of Hardin County. The branch which forms the west boundary of Clifton, where the boat harbor is located, is named for Stephen Roach. Roach owned 389.5 acres in three tracts, one of which was a 160 acre tract purchased in 1821, being where Clifton is situated. Apparently these and other lands came into the possession of George R. Craft at some point, who on January 3, 1838 in two deeds, sold the Marion Tennessee Iron Works, Ore Banks and several tracts of land to William J. Polk, Evan Young and James Walker for $29,550. On the 10th of February 1845, these three gentlemen sold 100 acres of the 160 acre Roach tract to: Gideon J. Pillow; James B. Pillow; Granville A. Pillow; William J. Polk; Lucius J. Polk; James Walker and Evan Young for the purpose of establishing the Town of Clifton. Apparently, about 1843, these men had been responsible for the establishment and construction of The Columbia Central Turnpike, a Toll Road, which began in Columbia and ran through Maury, Lawrence and Wayne Counties and ended at the extreme northeast corner of Hardin County at the Tennessee River. Then on August 7, 1846, the seven men listed above gave James Walker Power of Attorney, a portion of which is as follows: Whereas the undersigned are just Owners of One Hundred Acres of land lying in the County of Hardin & State of Tennessee on Tennessee River being the place called Roaches Bluff and on which is the Termination of the Columbia Central Turnpike and on which tact of land they desire to lay off a town to be called Clifton and to sell lots in same in such size formed as may be judged expedient.... recorded at the Hardin County Courthouse on the 2nd of May 1849. About this time, the Polks, Pillows, Walker and Young had petitioned the State to annex to Wayne County the northeast corner of Hardin so as to include Clifton, the Marion Furnace and their other holdings. Bobby Alford wrote an article about the Turnpike and Clifton that was printed in the "Lawrence County Advocate," August 8, 2001, which suggested that the reason for the proposed switch was lower taxes and easy control of the local politicians in Wayne County. The act was passed as follows: Public Acts 1850, Chapter 197 An act to attach a portion of Hardin County to Wayne--passed Feb 1. Section 1: Be it enacted etc. That that portion of Hardin County embraced within the following limits be annexed and attached to Wayne County, (viz:) Beginning on the Tennessee River where the lines of Wayne and Hardin County strike the river, running from thence up said Tennessee River with its meanders to the mouth of Masses Creek, thence south to the dividing ridge between said creek and Short Creek, thence with said ridge until it strikes the road leading from the old Marion Furnace to the Indian Creek road, thence with said road to the dividing ridge between Hardin's Creek and Indian Creek, thence east with said ridge to where it strikes the Wayne County line, thence north with said line to the beginning; provided however, this transfer of territory does not reduce Hardin county below her constitutional area. My gg-grandfather, William Henry Cossey, received 172 acres in 1849 and I wonder if it was due to the annexation of Hardin to Wayne county. This is what I have: The State of Tennessee TO ALL TO WHOM THESE PRESENTS SHALL COM, GREETING: Know Ye, That for and in consideration of teh sum of the Fees of Office; paid into the office of the Entrytaker of Hardin County, and entered on the 24th day of August, 1849 pursuant to the privisions of an Act of the General Assembly of said State, passed 2d day of November 1847, by No 2254, THERE IS GRANTED by the said State of Tennessee, unto WILLIAM COSSEY (COPEY) a certain tract or parcel of land, containing One Hundred Seventy Two Acres & 107 poles by survey learning date the 24 day of August 1849 lying in said County. Range 12 & Section 1 (Note: the land is located next door to Phiba (sp) Loyd. Lamar Cossey, Canton, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nena Wright" <nena_w@att.net> To: <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] Correction > Sorry, I missed that. > > You are correct Mr. Brewer, I said Collinwood originally. What I meant to > say was I wonder how I would go about finding out more information about > who > exactly was part of this "gang" of Union forces stationed at Clifton. > > So when was Clifton founded? > > My bad. > Nena > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.15/1249 - Release Date: > 1/29/2008 9:51 AM > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 05:59:22 -0600 From: "Richard Hollis" <richardhollis@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] Check out 1 st Regiment, Tennessee Cavalry - Ancestry.com To: <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <00c901c86a4a$0b768520$6501a8c0@Laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" make sure you copy the whole link between the parenthesis marks.....you will see some blue letters and some black letters in the message, you need them all, except the parenthesis.... Richard Hollis 13619 Pallwood Lane Cypress, Texas 77429 http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/o/l/Richard-D-Hollis/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~kycasey/?o_xid=9872&o_lid=9872&o_xt=9872 http://www.rootsweb.com/~mostodd2/index.html http://urbanlegends.about.com/ http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushisms.htm -----Original Message----- From: tnwayne-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tnwayne-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jpeck612004 Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 6:46 PM To: tnwayne@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] Check out 1 st Regiment,Tennessee Cavalry - Ancestry.com it wont let me go there no access Jalena ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cooperbobw@aol.com> To: <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 6:36 PM Subject: [TNWAYNE] Check out 1 st Regiment, Tennessee Cavalry - Ancestry.com > _1 st Regiment, Tennessee Cavalry - Ancestry.com_ > (http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/ViewStory.aspx?pid=-1955112799&tid=1247132&oid =0753fa6f-e230-4c8a-a864-a5b6 > 9a689d5d&pg=0) > > > > **************Start the year off right. 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make sure you copy the whole link between the parenthesis marks.....you will see some blue letters and some black letters in the message, you need them all, except the parenthesis.... Richard Hollis 13619 Pallwood Lane Cypress, Texas 77429 http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/o/l/Richard-D-Hollis/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~kycasey/?o_xid=9872&o_lid=9872&o_xt=9872 http://www.rootsweb.com/~mostodd2/index.html http://urbanlegends.about.com/ http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushisms.htm -----Original Message----- From: tnwayne-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tnwayne-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jpeck612004 Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 6:46 PM To: tnwayne@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] Check out 1 st Regiment,Tennessee Cavalry - Ancestry.com it wont let me go there no access Jalena ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cooperbobw@aol.com> To: <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 6:36 PM Subject: [TNWAYNE] Check out 1 st Regiment, Tennessee Cavalry - Ancestry.com > _1 st Regiment, Tennessee Cavalry - Ancestry.com_ > (http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/ViewStory.aspx?pid=-1955112799&tid=1247132&oid =0753fa6f-e230-4c8a-a864-a5b6 > 9a689d5d&pg=0) > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

here is some information http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnhardin/buttermilk.html Richard Hollis 13619 Pallwood Lane Cypress, Texas 77429 http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/o/l/Richard-D-Hollis/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~kycasey/?o_xid=9872&o_lid=9872&o_xt=9872 http://www.rootsweb.com/~mostodd2/index.html http://urbanlegends.about.com/ http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushisms.htm -----Original Message----- From: tnwayne-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tnwayne-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Cagle Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 7:00 PM To: tnwayne@rootsweb.com Cc: tnhardin@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] Correction Nena, The land where Clifton sits was in Hardin County until about 1850. Following is a part of an article I wrote a while back about Clifton and the change form one county to another. The Union Gang you are referring to was mostly the 2nd Mounted Infantry, US, companies A, B, C, D, E, H and I from Wayne (and Hardin Co.) stationed at Clifton. They shouldn't get all the credit, E company of the 8th Tennessee Mounted Infantry, US was also from Wayne Co. and were stationed at Clifton for a while. Some of the men in companies G and H of the 6th Cavalry were from Wayne Co., and made their presents felt in this community. This information I got from the two volumes of "Tennesseans in the Civil War" published in 1964 by the Civil War Centennial Commission of Tennessee. I think this information is on line somewhere. David Clifton Tennessee What is today the town of Clifton, in 1821 was the farm of Stephen Roach who was the first Coroner of Hardin County. The branch which forms the west boundary of Clifton, where the boat harbor is located, is named for Stephen Roach. Roach owned 389.5 acres in three tracts, one of which was a 160 acre tract purchased in 1821, being where Clifton is situated. Apparently these and other lands came into the possession of George R. Craft at some point, who on January 3, 1838 in two deeds, sold the Marion Tennessee Iron Works, Ore Banks and several tracts of land to William J. Polk, Evan Young and James Walker for $29,550. On the 10th of February 1845, these three gentlemen sold 100 acres of the 160 acre Roach tract to: Gideon J. Pillow; James B. Pillow; Granville A. Pillow; William J. Polk; Lucius J. Polk; James Walker and Evan Young for the purpose of establishing the Town of Clifton. Apparently, about 1843, these men had been responsible for the establishment and construction of The Columbia Central Turnpike, a Toll Road, which began in Columbia and ran through Maury, Lawrence and Wayne Counties and ended at the extreme northeast corner of Hardin County at the Tennessee River. Then on August 7, 1846, the seven men listed above gave James Walker Power of Attorney, a portion of which is as follows: Whereas the undersigned are just Owners of One Hundred Acres of land lying in the County of Hardin & State of Tennessee on Tennessee River being the place called Roaches Bluff and on which is the Termination of the Columbia Central Turnpike and on which tact of land they desire to lay off a town to be called Clifton and to sell lots in same in such size formed as may be judged expedient.... recorded at the Hardin County Courthouse on the 2nd of May 1849. About this time, the Polks, Pillows, Walker and Young had petitioned the State to annex to Wayne County the northeast corner of Hardin so as to include Clifton, the Marion Furnace and their other holdings. Bobby Alford wrote an article about the Turnpike and Clifton that was printed in the "Lawrence County Advocate," August 8, 2001, which suggested that the reason for the proposed switch was lower taxes and easy control of the local politicians in Wayne County. The act was passed as follows: Public Acts 1850, Chapter 197 An act to attach a portion of Hardin County to Wayne--passed Feb 1. Section 1: Be it enacted etc. That that portion of Hardin County embraced within the following limits be annexed and attached to Wayne County, (viz:) Beginning on the Tennessee River where the lines of Wayne and Hardin County strike the river, running from thence up said Tennessee River with its meanders to the mouth of Masses Creek, thence south to the dividing ridge between said creek and Short Creek, thence with said ridge until it strikes the road leading from the old Marion Furnace to the Indian Creek road, thence with said road to the dividing ridge between Hardin's Creek and Indian Creek, thence east with said ridge to where it strikes the Wayne County line, thence north with said line to the beginning; provided however, this transfer of territory does not reduce Hardin county below her constitutional area. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nena Wright" <nena_w@att.net> To: <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] Correction > Sorry, I missed that. > > You are correct Mr. Brewer, I said Collinwood originally. What I meant to > say was I wonder how I would go about finding out more information about > who > exactly was part of this "gang" of Union forces stationed at Clifton. > > So when was Clifton founded? > > My bad. > Nena > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.15/1249 - Release Date: > 1/29/2008 9:51 AM > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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A big difference is that many of our ancestors were poor and could not make arrangements like some of the more affluent were and are able to do. The most deplorable aspect of that situation is how few dollars are needed to get a witness to say tell the story you want him to relate. In a message dated 1/30/2008 8:43:54 P.M. Central Standard Time, djbarkley1949@yahoo.com writes: When I first began my family history journey I was all pumped up on finding who my royal ancestors were because Granny said we descended from some very noble people. Well, as I progressed in my journey, I discovered that, yes, there were a couple of 'sort of' notable folks way back when, but for the most part they were just common folks..with a few exceptions. One got hung for horse theft, one was shot over a counterfeiting dispute. several were involved in the abhorable behavior of the Bushwhackers, others were crazy with bloodlust in another war...I could go on. In fact, I made the remark to my mother just recently that the more I discovered, the less I wanted to know about one particular branch of the family. We can't pick and choose our ancestors, we don't have to condemn them or elevate them...they were who and what they were, and I guess some of that goes into all of us. It's our own choice whether or not to follow their pathes. I was feeling a lot of shame and remorse over the actions of one of my more recent family members and someone told me..."You didn't do it, you aren't to blame for it, you should feel no shame. Just sorrow that they were people who did bad things." Maybe so, it's sometimes difficult to decide just what stance to take - most of us are not royalty, not even an Indian princess! --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

We are forgetting that many of our ancestors were given the choice of emigrating or going to jail. Then when they got here, many moved to another clime to escape a legal entanglement or worse. In a message dated 1/30/2008 10:49:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, crmorris@charter.net writes: you know what they say: you can pick your friends, but not your kinfolks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nena Wright" <nena_w@att.net> To: <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] Our 'not so nice' ancestors > Thank you Donita Barkley, > > My sentiments exactly...truth is this just may explain some unpleasant > family traits that have been handed down...and because they are so > deplorable many pervious generation chose just not to discuss it. > > Nena > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.17/1252 - Release Date: > 1/30/2008 8:51 PM > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

you know what they say: you can pick your friends, but not your kinfolks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nena Wright" <nena_w@att.net> To: <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] Our 'not so nice' ancestors > Thank you Donita Barkley, > > My sentiments exactly...truth is this just may explain some unpleasant > family traits that have been handed down...and because they are so > deplorable many pervious generation chose just not to discuss it. > > Nena > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.17/1252 - Release Date: > 1/30/2008 8:51 PM > >

Thank you Donita Barkley, My sentiments exactly...truth is this just may explain some unpleasant family traits that have been handed down...and because they are so deplorable many pervious generation chose just not to discuss it. Nena

Frances, Thank you. I needed that. Thank you for your support. Nena

Nena, Don't stress. I am sure that we all know where your heart is. Moreover, as genealogists, we are all curious and interested about our forebears. So, we know what you are doing ----- seeking the truth. --Frances -----Original Message----- From: tnwayne-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tnwayne-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nena Wright Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 6:32 PM To: tnwayne@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] 2nd Tennessee Mtd Infantry Ms. Hollis and all who have been watching this conversation: First of all I want to apologize if I have said anything that has offended anyone...as that was not my intention. (Very large snip) Nena

When I first began my family history journey I was all pumped up on finding who my royal ancestors were because Granny said we descended from some very noble people. Well, as I progressed in my journey, I discovered that, yes, there were a couple of 'sort of' notable folks way back when, but for the most part they were just common folks..with a few exceptions. One got hung for horse theft, one was shot over a counterfeiting dispute. several were involved in the abhorable behavior of the Bushwhackers, others were crazy with bloodlust in another war...I could go on. In fact, I made the remark to my mother just recently that the more I discovered, the less I wanted to know about one particular branch of the family. We can't pick and choose our ancestors, we don't have to condemn them or elevate them...they were who and what they were, and I guess some of that goes into all of us. It's our own choice whether or not to follow their pathes. I was feeling a lot of shame and remorse over the actions of one of my more recent family members and someone told me..."You didn't do it, you aren't to blame for it, you should feel no shame. Just sorrow that they were people who did bad things." Maybe so, it's sometimes difficult to decide just what stance to take - most of us are not royalty, not even an Indian princess! --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.

Ms. Hollis and all who have been watching this conversation: First of all I want to apologize if I have said anything that has offended anyone...as that was not my intention. I want to bring your attention to the fact that I wasn't referring to ONLY the Union...both sides had their good guys and bad guys...I'm sure. I am specifically interested in the 2 Tn Mounted Infantry because two of my own ancestors were in that Unit. I, as a descendant, don't want to believe that MY ancestor was a murderer and thief...that is what I'm trying to find out. Whether he was or wasn't really doesn't matter over a hundred years later...I would just like to know the truth of whether he was or was not. My reference to "gangs" was put into quotation marks because that is what I was doing, quoting from the book the "Buggar Saga". Personally, I do agree that you can't believe everything you read especially when it's hearsay and bias. I used the information as reference only. And I fully understand that most of the passionate loyalist to either side considered the other be evil...I was not referring to the average soldier. I was simply pointing out that both sides had their "renegade gangs". The truth is even today, no matter who you are or what political side you're on, what country your from or what religion you are or what ever military service your in if you go around torturing, killing and robbing the common civilian people you are a villain, a murderer and a thief. That is why our own government will not stand for our own soldiers to behave in this way. And if you do this as part of a group of people who also do this type of thing it is called a "gang". I wasn't calling the ALL men in that outfit murders'...because I don't know that...I don't know who all participated in this kind of behavior (the type as described in the aforementioned book). (I would hope that my ancestor refused to be a part of it.) But whether it's Union or Confederate if they behaved in this manner then they deserved the title...no matter who's ancestor's they were. Nena

Amen! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Luna" <lunaallenjoyce@yahoo.com> To: <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] 2nd Tennessee Mtd Infantry > If you ladies don't mind, some of these soldiers were brothers and > happened to live in the North, and maybe rest of family lived in the > south, can you imagine how their mother and families felt about > that...........? There did not have to be a War..........wars are caused > by politicians, I heard Ned Ray McWhorter say on Channel 5 one day that if > old men had to go to war, there would be no wars. One of the best > governers of the state of Tennessee, that is besides Lamar. Lets don't > fight......lets love! Much more happiness that way. > joyce > hirley Hollis <drsahollis@hotmail.com> wrote: > > I'd like to correct Ms. Nena Wright's reference to the "gang" of Union > soldiers who were stationed at Clifton. They were a company or a regiment > of Union soldiers who came to be identified as a "gang" by Southern > sympathizers who demonized everyone who fought for the Union. Believe me, > the families of those who fought for the Union were also plagued by > "gangs" of Confederate soldiers and Confederate wannabes. I sure we all > recognize the fact that who got labeled as evil or ganglike or whatever > depended on the side in the war that one's own family served. Please, > surely enough time has passed that surely we can avoid using demonizing > terms to refer to historical characters. > > Shirley Hollis > Lawrenceburg, TN. >> From: cherokee724@att.net> To: Drsahollis@hotmail.com> Subject: Fw: >> [TNWAYNE] Correction Do you have any info.?> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 >> 18:21:29 -0600> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nena Wright" > >> To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 6:12 PM> Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] >> Correction> > > > Sorry, I missed that.> >> > You are correct Mr. Brewer, >> I said Collinwood originally. What I meant to> > say was I wonder how I >> would go about finding out more information about > > who> > exactly was >> part of this "gang" of Union forces stationed at Clifton.> >> > So when >> was Clifton founded?> >> > My bad.> > Nena> >> >> >> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please >> send an email to > > TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! > http://biggestloser.msn.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you ladies don't mind, some of these soldiers were brothers and happened to live in the North, and maybe rest of family lived in the south, can you imagine how their mother and families felt about that...........? There did not have to be a War..........wars are caused by politicians, I heard Ned Ray McWhorter say on Channel 5 one day that if old men had to go to war, there would be no wars. One of the best governers of the state of Tennessee, that is besides Lamar. Lets don't fight......lets love! Much more happiness that way. joyce hirley Hollis <drsahollis@hotmail.com> wrote: I'd like to correct Ms. Nena Wright's reference to the "gang" of Union soldiers who were stationed at Clifton. They were a company or a regiment of Union soldiers who came to be identified as a "gang" by Southern sympathizers who demonized everyone who fought for the Union. Believe me, the families of those who fought for the Union were also plagued by "gangs" of Confederate soldiers and Confederate wannabes. I sure we all recognize the fact that who got labeled as evil or ganglike or whatever depended on the side in the war that one's own family served. Please, surely enough time has passed that surely we can avoid using demonizing terms to refer to historical characters. Shirley Hollis Lawrenceburg, TN. > From: cherokee724@att.net> To: Drsahollis@hotmail.com> Subject: Fw: [TNWAYNE] Correction Do you have any info.?> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:21:29 -0600> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nena Wright" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 6:12 PM> Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] Correction> > > > Sorry, I missed that.> >> > You are correct Mr. Brewer, I said Collinwood originally. What I meant to> > say was I wonder how I would go about finding out more information about > > who> > exactly was part of this "gang" of Union forces stationed at Clifton.> >> > So when was Clifton founded?> >> > My bad.> > Nena> >> >> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > > _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.

thanks Barbara Jalena ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cooperbobw@aol.com> To: <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:12 PM Subject: [TNWAYNE] Fwd: Check out 1st Regiment, Tennessee Cavalry > Jalena, > > So sorry it did not work. Guess its not possible to forward things. > This > was about the 1st Regiment, Tennessee Cavalry. > > In their duty of service they mentioned Nashville, Jan. 9-17, 1863. > Reconnoissance to Franklin and > Brentwood...................................Expedition from Lexington to > Clifton February 28, and duty there till June. > .........................Many other campaigns, including Tullahoma, > October > 25-27....................... > Cypress Creek, Alabama, October 6. Florence, Alabama, October 30. Near > Shoal Creek, October 31. Mussel Shoals near Florence, November 5, 6 and > 9th. > > You can see the whole service report at _www.itd.nps.gov_ > (http://www.itd.nps.gov) National Park web site. > > Barbara > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jalena, So sorry it did not work. Guess its not possible to forward things. This was about the 1st Regiment, Tennessee Cavalry. In their duty of service they mentioned Nashville, Jan. 9-17, 1863. Reconnoissance to Franklin and Brentwood...................................Expedition from Lexington to Clifton February 28, and duty there till June. .........................Many other campaigns, including Tullahoma, October 25-27....................... Cypress Creek, Alabama, October 6. Florence, Alabama, October 30. Near Shoal Creek, October 31. Mussel Shoals near Florence, November 5, 6 and 9th. You can see the whole service report at _www.itd.nps.gov_ (http://www.itd.nps.gov) National Park web site. Barbara **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

I'd like to correct Ms. Nena Wright's reference to the "gang" of Union soldiers who were stationed at Clifton. They were a company or a regiment of Union soldiers who came to be identified as a "gang" by Southern sympathizers who demonized everyone who fought for the Union. Believe me, the families of those who fought for the Union were also plagued by "gangs" of Confederate soldiers and Confederate wannabes. I sure we all recognize the fact that who got labeled as evil or ganglike or whatever depended on the side in the war that one's own family served. Please, surely enough time has passed that surely we can avoid using demonizing terms to refer to historical characters. Shirley Hollis Lawrenceburg, TN. > From: cherokee724@att.net> To: Drsahollis@hotmail.com> Subject: Fw: [TNWAYNE] Correction Do you have any info.?> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:21:29 -0600> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nena Wright" <nena_w@att.net>> To: <tnwayne@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 6:12 PM> Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] Correction> > > > Sorry, I missed that.> >> > You are correct Mr. Brewer, I said Collinwood originally. What I meant to> > say was I wonder how I would go about finding out more information about > > who> > exactly was part of this "gang" of Union forces stationed at Clifton.> >> > So when was Clifton founded?> >> > My bad.> > Nena> >> >> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > > _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/

2 questions: Is "The Buggar Saga" available to buy? I looked on Amazon and googled it but did not find any availability. And, this mostly for James Brewer of Tullahoma: my Mom lived on a farm near Tullahoma in the mid-1920s. My grandfather was tried for manslaughter when a man was cleaning their well and the rope broke and he drowned. My grandfather (Elmer Silverman) was acquited but they left the area soon after that. They had well-to-do neighbors just down the road named Dillingham. We have tried to locate info about the death/criminal case/trial, and tried to locate where the farm was, and found nothing. Is there a researcher there you could recommend who might be more adept at finding out about that history for us?