Joyce - Yes, the children of 1st cousins are second cousins to each other - and 1st cousins once removed to their parents' 1st cousins. Their children will be third cousins - and 2nd cousins once removed from their parents' second cousins - and 1st cousins twice removed from their grandparents' 1st cousins! Here's an explanation from About.com at http://genealogy.about.com/library/tips/blcousins.htm: "First cousins are the people in your family who have two of the same grandparents as you. Second cousins have the same great-grandparents as you, but not the same grandparents. Third cousins have in common two great-great-grandparents and their ancestors. "When cousins descend from common ancestors by a different number of generations they are called 'removed.' "Once removed means there is a difference of one generation. Your mother's first cousin would be your first cousin, once removed. She is one generation younger than your grandparents and you are two generations younger than your grandparents. Twice removed means that there is a two-generation difference. Your grandmother's first cousin would be your first cousin, twice removed because you are separated by two generations. Just to complicate matters, there are also many cases of double cousins. This situation usually occurs when siblings from one family marry siblings from another family. The resulting children, grandchildren, etc. are double cousins, because they share all four ancestors in common." As to what constitutes "kissin' cousins", that's another topic. My simple understanding was that meant cousins lawfully allowed to marry - second & more distant cousins when I learned it. But which cousins are allowed to marriage is covered extensively at http://www.cousincouples.com/?page=states. Robert

Question: My mother(Ethel) has a first cousin(trilby)  They share a grandmother. (so they are first cousins.) Now Joyce is Trilby's first cousin once removed? They each have a daughter(Pat and Joyce) who share the ggrandmother. Does this make Pat and Joyce second cousins? joyce

Betty I had your email sitting in my mail box and just read who you are looking for. I have an obits on Allen & his wife. I have some pictures of some of Prince relatives. and Lincoln Cummings Cummins is burried at Collinwood TN.Aslo I believe Prince is to. I attend a reunion up in Collinswood back some time ago and meet Allen and some of Prince families. and Lincoln I see his son pretty often. Would there be a Lewis connected to Spencer?? I know they are relatives but can't find the link. Marjorie Cummings mrcummings@charter.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty McCollum" <betmac@centurytel.net> To: <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] Sarah Emeline Banks > Hello Teresa: > I am subscribed to Ancestry.com, and I have checked there for parents > of > your Emeline Banks. Didn't find a whole lot but did find this: > > Sarah Emeline Banks, b. 1883 in Tennessee. > (d) Collinwood, Wayne Co., Tn. (no date given) > Daughter of: James Jason Banks (B) 1864) > Md. Spencer Cummins > Their children were: > Garland > Lincoln > Ruth > Sarah Elsie > Prince > Allen. > I wanted to find them on the 1900 census for Wayne Co., Tn., but haven't > yet. > > There were dates for the children, but I did not copy them. If you want > them, I'll go back and copy. > Hope this helps. > Betty (Guthrie) McCollum > in Izard Co., Arkansas. (coooold today!) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Teresa Smoke" <TeresaSmoke@wildblue.net> > To: <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 8:21 AM > Subject: [TNWAYNE] Sarah Emeline Banks > > >>I am hoping that someone may know who the parents of Emeline Banks (B. 3 >>May >> 1882 D. 24 Jan 1970) are. She married Spencer Newton Cummings. I was told >> by >> my mother in law that her brother was Tommy Banks. I don't have any other >> info on him except his name. I was also told that they their mother was a >> Reeves. Any help would help? Thanks in advance, Teresa >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: >> 1/2/2008 >> 11:29 AM >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 1/2/2008 > 11:29 AM > >

Five new Queries have been added. http://www.netease.net/wayne/queries108.htm The following cemeteries have been added: http://www.netease.net/wayne/cemeterylist.htm #164 Hensley Cemetery (new from cemetery book) #50 Melson Cemetery #128 Shelton Family Cemetery (new from cemetery book) #246 Talley Graves (new from cemetery book) Jerry W. Murphy jwm_genealogy@hotmail.com Jerry's Homepage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jwmurphy/ Rootsweb List Administrator: ALFRANKL, TNHARDIN, TNWASHIN, TNWAYNE BRATTON, CAVENDER, COCHRAN, HAFLEY, PATTERSON, SOWERBY Hardin County, Tennessee Co-County Coordinator: http://www.tngenweb.org/hardin Wayne County, Tennessee Co-County Coordinator: http://www.netease.net/wayne

well I guess that idea is out thanks Nena and Mary Neil Hollis Franks could some one copy the pages and send them to me by email at jpeck612004@xanadoo.com thanks so much Jalena > There are no books to purchase unless you can talk someone into letting you > buy their copy. Sorry. > > Mary Nell Hollis Franks > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nena Wright" <nena_w@att.net> > To: <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:15 PM > Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] Duren & Cole Factory Creek Book > > >> >> The Factory Creek book was written by Shirley Ann Hollis w contributions >> by >> Ford Griggs and I dare say others including Mary Nell Hollis Franks (list >> member). >> >> There are 5 pages of family history and pictures for the Cole family and 2 >> pages for the Duren family. >> >> You can Contact the Wayne Country Historical Society for information on >> purchasing the book or have them make copies of these pages. >> >> (I recommend purchasing the book.) >> >> The Wayne Co. Historical Society were out of stock last year so I >> purchased >> mine directly from Mrs. Hollis. I can't find her phone number at present >> but I do have her address. Write me at nena_w@att.net. >> >> Nena >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There are no books to purchase unless you can talk someone into letting you buy their copy. Sorry. Mary Nell Hollis Franks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nena Wright" <nena_w@att.net> To: <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] Duren & Cole Factory Creek Book > > The Factory Creek book was written by Shirley Ann Hollis w contributions > by > Ford Griggs and I dare say others including Mary Nell Hollis Franks (list > member). > > There are 5 pages of family history and pictures for the Cole family and 2 > pages for the Duren family. > > You can Contact the Wayne Country Historical Society for information on > purchasing the book or have them make copies of these pages. > > (I recommend purchasing the book.) > > The Wayne Co. Historical Society were out of stock last year so I > purchased > mine directly from Mrs. Hollis. I can't find her phone number at present > but I do have her address. Write me at nena_w@att.net. > > Nena > > >

The Factory Creek book was written by Shirley Ann Hollis w contributions by Ford Griggs and I dare say others including Mary Nell Hollis Franks (list member). There are 5 pages of family history and pictures for the Cole family and 2 pages for the Duren family. You can Contact the Wayne Country Historical Society for information on purchasing the book or have them make copies of these pages. (I recommend purchasing the book.) The Wayne Co. Historical Society were out of stock last year so I purchased mine directly from Mrs. Hollis. I can't find her phone number at present but I do have her address. Write me at nena_w@att.net. Nena -----Original Message----- From: tnwayne-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tnwayne-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jpeck612004@xanadoo.com Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 1:59 PM To: cherokee724@att.net; tnwayne@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] Duren & Cole no I dont know anything about Factory Creek Book.does it have the Cole family in it or who who wrote it please thanks Jalena ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

no I dont know anything about Factory Creek Book.does it have the Cole family in it or who who wrote it please thanks Jalena

I have been trying to send a thank you to Mary Nell Hollis Franks but it keeps coming back do you know if any pictures can be found of the Cole's I would love to have some copys and some pictures of my Duren line too I love this list ya'll are good people and dont mind helping thanks Jalena

sorry I dont see anything wrote here thanks Jalena Quoting reevesval@hughes.net: > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks, Jerry. Just checked it out. Looks like a great place to get information about the goings on of Wayne County. Will be joining. Jo Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: <tnwayne-request@rootsweb.com> To: <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 2:02 AM Subject: TNWAYNE Digest, Vol 3, Issue 98 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. The Wayne County News (Jerry W. Murphy) > 2. Duren & Cole (jpeck612004@xanadoo.com) > 3. Re: Duren & Cole (reevesval@hughes.net) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:40:18 -0500 > From: "Jerry W. Murphy" <jwm_genealogy@hotmail.com> > Subject: [TNWAYNE] The Wayne County News > To: "TNWAYNE" <TNWAYNE@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BAY138-DS3FEB4380AA891FCD55DDC956C0@phx.gbl> > > The Wayne County News is now available online at: > www.waynecountynews.net > > To read the complete articles you must join (it's free). > > > Jerry W. Murphy > jwm_genealogy@hotmail.com > Jerry's Homepage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jwmurphy/ > Rootsweb List Administrator: ALFRANKL, TNHARDIN, TNWASHIN, TNWAYNE > BRATTON, CAVENDER, COCHRAN, HAFLEY, PATTERSON, SOWERBY > Hardin County, Tennessee Co-County Coordinator: > http://www.tngenweb.org/hardin > Wayne County, Tennessee Co-County Coordinator: > http://www.netease.net/wayne > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:16:32 -0500 > From: jpeck612004@xanadoo.com > Subject: [TNWAYNE] Duren & Cole > To: TNWAYNE@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <20080816181632.cezcl35f6skogok0@mail-01.xanadoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; > format="flowed" > > Is anyone on this list a Duren or a Cole I tried to call some of the > Duren in waynesboro TN but no one who knew anything I come from Ora > Bell Duren who married > John Scott there in waynesboro Ora Bell came from Jonathan Duren and > Lucinds Cole > have no info on Cole side > Jonathan Duren came from George W Duren and Sarah ? Duren what was > Sarah maiden name would love some picture of my Duren side I have some > of Ora Bell Duren > PLEASE can anyone help > thanks Jalena > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 05:03:37 +0000 (GMT) > From: reevesval@hughes.net > Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] Duren & Cole > To: tnwayne@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <1125384812.1525001218949418880.JavaMail.mail@webmail06> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the TNWAYNE list administrator, send an email to > TNWAYNE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the TNWAYNE mailing list, send an email to > TNWAYNE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of TNWAYNE Digest, Vol 3, Issue 98 > ************************************** > >

Is anyone on this list a Duren or a Cole I tried to call some of the Duren in waynesboro TN but no one who knew anything I come from Ora Bell Duren who married John Scott there in waynesboro Ora Bell came from Jonathan Duren and Lucinds Cole have no info on Cole side Jonathan Duren came from George W Duren and Sarah ? Duren what was Sarah maiden name would love some picture of my Duren side I have some of Ora Bell Duren PLEASE can anyone help thanks Jalena

The Wayne County News is now available online at: www.waynecountynews.net To read the complete articles you must join (it's free). Jerry W. Murphy jwm_genealogy@hotmail.com Jerry's Homepage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jwmurphy/ Rootsweb List Administrator: ALFRANKL, TNHARDIN, TNWASHIN, TNWAYNE BRATTON, CAVENDER, COCHRAN, HAFLEY, PATTERSON, SOWERBY Hardin County, Tennessee Co-County Coordinator: http://www.tngenweb.org/hardin Wayne County, Tennessee Co-County Coordinator: http://www.netease.net/wayne

Doing a little research on Paulk's Mill on Horse Creek in Hardin Co., I ran into Mrs. P. J. or Jane Freeman who, along with her son Joe Lackey, was once an owner of this mill. I found out at the courthouse that P. J. Lackey married B. R. Freeman on the 14th of January 1891. The cemetery census shows that B. R.'s first (?) wife, Elizabeth had died on the 7th of March in 1890. Benjamin Rush Freeman, followed soon as he died on October 18 1891. I thought perhaps Jane Lackey Freeman might be a neighbor, b. ca 1853-54 in Tennessee. However, in 1880, I find a Pheby J. Lackey, a widow, and son Eward J. Lackey, age 1, living in the household of the father and grandfather, David I. Dickerson, 55 AL, all in the 8th C. D. of Wayne Co. I would be interested to learn more about these families. David Cerro Gordo

Our new e-mail address is donna.duckworth@charter.net

Anyone know what happened to James M DANIEL born 1840 Lawrence County TN, after he was counted 11 Jul 1860 NA Roll M653_643 in Logan, Reynolds County MO on page 67A, Line 26? Did he relocate to KS? Anyone know what happened to Lucinda T DANIEL born about 1837 TN after she was counted 10 Sep 1850 NA Roll M432_886 Lawrence County TN on page 306, line 41? Who did she marry? Anyone know what happened to Mary E DANIEL born 1844-46 Lawrence County TN after she was counted 11 Jul 1860 NA Roll M653_643, in Logan Reynolds County MO on page 67A line28? Who did she marry? The above are children of William Mack DANIEL Sr & Liza Ann MELTON, probably grandchildren of Avis Caroline DANIEL counted 1830 in Wayne County TN, and are known siblings of Avis Caroline DANIEL-MURROW/MORROW-SMITH, Phillip Wayne DANIEL, William Mack DANIEL Jr, John Henry DANIEL. The above are ancestors of DNA kit 13589 and match kits 14965, Lott DANIEL family descendants, 32867, John DANIEL family descendants, 21205 Reuben DANIEL family (suspected son of John Joseph, aka Job, DANIEL & Elizabeth CALLAWAY).

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo Ann Whitworth" <whitkid2@bigrivertel.net> To: "Nena Wright" <nena_w@att.net> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 7:59 AM Subject: Re: The Bugger Saga > Thanks, Nena, much appreicated. Jerry, don't blame Nena for putting the > price on her post, it was my fault for asking about the price. I just > forgot the rule, sorry. I think Rootsweb should (they probably already > do) differ between someone sending posts to the lists offering stuff for > sale, from someone just answering a question about the price of something, > like Nena did. > Jo Ann > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nena Wright" <nena_w@att.net> > To: "'Jo Ann Whitworth'" <whitkid2@bigrivertel.net>; > <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 7:37 AM > Subject: Re: The Bugger Saga > > >> The following link is to the Lawrence County Webpage. Just scroll down >> to >> the table and click on "Books for Sale". Then find "Buggar Saga". >> >> http://home.lorettotel.net/~lcarchives/archives.htm >> >> The fee for Bugger Saga and postage is $17.47. The check must be made to >> Bobby Alford and mailed to Lawrence County Archives, 524 Gallaher St., >> Lawrenceburg, TN 38464. This is media mail rate and will take a little >> longer than first class, but several dollars cheaper. >> >> Nena >> >> >> >

I imagine that those soldiers got awful hungry and cold.... and did not know what to expect of the citizens so they took what they needed, burned homes ........that is the part I do not understand unless it was to do completely do away with the south and the beautiful plantations.......... joyce --- Nena Wright <nena_w@att.net> wrote: > I think the truth is that during Civil war days the south especially was cut > off from many supplies.times were hard and the only way for either side to > supply their men with the necessities was to take it from the civilians. > After all that is who they were fighting to protect. The problem was that > both sides took it from the same people. Both sides were just as guilty of > that sort of thing. There are good and bad men throughout all time periods > regardless of their "side" or "color" or "faith". > > Nena > > > The 2nd Tennessee Mounted Infantry was an organized unit that saw action all > over Tennessee and in other states. Contrary to what David said, the "Union > Gang" was most likely that, scoundrels who used the war as an opportunity to > rob, rape and kill those left behind. > While some members of organized units may have done similar activities, most > were too busy with other activities, fighting a war. > There are plenty of documented details of the 2nd Tennessee Mounted Infantry > unit and others about their activities and location during the war. > > Bill > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Opps! Sorry. Nena -----Original Message----- From: tnwayne-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tnwayne-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jerry W. Murphy Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 12:59 PM To: tnwayne@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] The Bugger Saga Listing the book is fine but it's against Rootsweb rules to list the cost. Jerry W. Murphy jwm_genealogy@hotmail.com Jerry's Homepage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jwmurphy/ Rootsweb List Administrator: ALFRANKL, TNHARDIN, TNWASHIN, TNWAYNE BRATTON, CAVENDER, COCHRAN, HAFLEY, PATTERSON, SOWERBY Hardin County, Tennessee Co-County Coordinator: http://www.tngenweb.org/hardin Wayne County, Tennessee Co-County Coordinator: http://www.netease.net/wayne -------------------------------------------------- From: "Nena Wright" <nena_w@att.net> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 7:37 AM To: "'Jo Ann Whitworth'" <whitkid2@bigrivertel.net>; <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] The Bugger Saga > The following link is to the Lawrence County Webpage. Just scroll down to > the table and click on "Books for Sale". Then find "Buggar Saga". > > http://home.lorettotel.net/~lcarchives/archives.htm > > The fee for Bugger Saga and postage is $17.47. The check must be made to > Bobby Alford and mailed to Lawrence County Archives, 524 Gallaher St., > Lawrenceburg, TN 38464. This is media mail rate and will take a little > longer than first class, but several dollars cheaper. > > Nena > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message