Good job Myra!! That's right! ____________________________________ From: myravg@wamail.net Reply-to: tnwayne@rootsweb.com To: tnwayne@rootsweb.com Sent: 8/20/2008 5:28:14 P.M. Central Standard Time Subj: Re: [TNWAYNE] Fwd: Fwd: Kinfolk? Removed means removed by x generations from the original cousinship. I find it helps to work from my first cousin and myself. My first cousin and I have a pair of grandparents in common. Our parents are siblings. My first cousin's child is MY first cousin once removed (in other words one generation "removed" from the original cousinship). It is recorded as 1C1R. My child and my first cousin's child are second cousins -- to EACH OTHER. My grandchild and my first cousin's grandchild are third cousins to each other. Once it gets beyond that, I let my genealogy software figure it out and just call them all cousins or kinfolks. Myra ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cooperbobw@aol.com> To: <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 3:15 PM Subject: [TNWAYNE] Fwd: Fwd: Kinfolk? > If you start with grandparents, then parents are the next generation > down. > The children of the parents are the grandchildren of the grandparents. > > If the grandparents had more than one child who became parents, all those > children are the grandchildren of the grandparents, the children of their > respective parents, and are either brothers and sisters or first cousins > to each > other. As Donita explained, if they are the first cousins of your > children > they are your neices or nephews. > > When this generation of grandchildren become parents, their children are > all > the great grandchildren of the original grandparents, and they are either > brothers and sisters to each other, or they are all second cousins to > each > other. Their relationship to their mother's first cousins and their > father's > first cousins is that they are first cousins, once removed. > > You are not the second cousin of your mother and fathers first cousins. > You > are the first cousin, once removed. > > You are the second cousin of the children of your mother and father's > first > cousins. > > Its sort of like lacing a pair of shoes. If it is straight across, it is > first, second, third, etc. > If it is one eye up or down, it is once removed. > If it is two eyes up or down, it is twice removed, and supposedly, it > goes > on infinitely, in so far as it can be established. > > I know this does not agree with the folkways of figuring Tennessee > "cuzzins," and even though the two methods do not agree, I highly revere > folks and > folkways. > > Peace Already, > > Barbara > > > > ____________________________________ > From: mjfent@bellsouth.net > Reply-to: tnwayne@rootsweb.com > To: tnwayne@rootsweb.com > Sent: 8/20/2008 1:30:54 P.M. Central Standard Time > Subj: Re: [TNWAYNE] Fwd: Kinfolk? > > > This makes sense to me. When you get into that "removing" stuff, I'm > lost. > > Jane Foley > NC > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Cooperbobw@aol.com> > To: <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:08 PM > Subject: [TNWAYNE] Fwd: Kinfolk? > > >> You can start with anybody. The relationships remain constant from >> whichever person you start with. His first cousins are still his >> first >> cousins, >> etc. I think what you mean is that you start with the first common >> ancestors......, which for first cousins is grandparents. For second >> cousins, great >> grandparents, etc. >> >> >> >> ____________________________________ >> From: lunaallenjoyce@yahoo.com >> Reply-to: tnwayne@rootsweb.com >> To: tnwayne@rootsweb.com >> Sent: 8/19/2008 6:54:40 P.M. Central Standard Time >> Subj: Re: [TNWAYNE] Kinfolk? >> >> >> I thought you started with the grandparents? >> joyce >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: David Cagle <dcagle1@charter.net> >> To: tnwayne@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:12:49 PM >> Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] Kinfolk? >> >> Joyce, >> I was confused by some of the answers. I think the "once removed" is >> the >> fly in the ointment. If Joyce and Pat are children of first cousins, >> Ethel >> and Trilby respectively, then Ethel is 2nd cousin to Pat and Trilby is >> 2nd >> cousin to Joyce. Then Joyce and Pat are third cousins. Then Joyce and >> Pat >> would be 4th cousins to each other's children. Each generation adds >> another >> number. >> David >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joyce Luna" <lunaallenjoyce@yahoo.com> >> To: "Wayne co TN" <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:52 AM >> Subject: [TNWAYNE] Kinfolk? >> >> >> Question: >> My mother(Ethel) has a first cousin(trilby) They share a grandmother. >> (so they are first cousins.) >> Now Joyce is Trilby's first cousin once removed? >> They each have a daughter(Pat and Joyce) who share the ggrandmother. >> Does this make Pat and Joyce second cousins? >> joyce >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1620 - Release Date: >> 8/19/2008 >> 6:04 AM >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the >> body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the >> body of the message >> >> >> >> >> **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. 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If you start with grandparents, then parents are the next generation down. The children of the parents are the grandchildren of the grandparents. If the grandparents had more than one child who became parents, all those children are the grandchildren of the grandparents, the children of their respective parents, and are either brothers and sisters or first cousins to each other. As Donita explained, if they are the first cousins of your children they are your neices or nephews. When this generation of grandchildren become parents, their children are all the great grandchildren of the original grandparents, and they are either brothers and sisters to each other, or they are all second cousins to each other. Their relationship to their mother's first cousins and their father's first cousins is that they are first cousins, once removed. You are not the second cousin of your mother and fathers first cousins. You are the first cousin, once removed. You are the second cousin of the children of your mother and father's first cousins. Its sort of like lacing a pair of shoes. If it is straight across, it is first, second, third, etc. If it is one eye up or down, it is once removed. If it is two eyes up or down, it is twice removed, and supposedly, it goes on infinitely, in so far as it can be established. I know this does not agree with the folkways of figuring Tennessee "cuzzins," and even though the two methods do not agree, I highly revere folks and folkways. Peace Already, Barbara ____________________________________ From: mjfent@bellsouth.net Reply-to: tnwayne@rootsweb.com To: tnwayne@rootsweb.com Sent: 8/20/2008 1:30:54 P.M. Central Standard Time Subj: Re: [TNWAYNE] Fwd: Kinfolk? This makes sense to me. When you get into that "removing" stuff, I'm lost. Jane Foley NC ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cooperbobw@aol.com> To: <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:08 PM Subject: [TNWAYNE] Fwd: Kinfolk? > You can start with anybody. The relationships remain constant from > whichever person you start with. His first cousins are still his first > cousins, > etc. I think what you mean is that you start with the first common > ancestors......, which for first cousins is grandparents. For second > cousins, great > grandparents, etc. > > > > ____________________________________ > From: lunaallenjoyce@yahoo.com > Reply-to: tnwayne@rootsweb.com > To: tnwayne@rootsweb.com > Sent: 8/19/2008 6:54:40 P.M. Central Standard Time > Subj: Re: [TNWAYNE] Kinfolk? > > > I thought you started with the grandparents? > joyce > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: David Cagle <dcagle1@charter.net> > To: tnwayne@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:12:49 PM > Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] Kinfolk? > > Joyce, > I was confused by some of the answers. I think the "once removed" is the > fly in the ointment. If Joyce and Pat are children of first cousins, > Ethel > and Trilby respectively, then Ethel is 2nd cousin to Pat and Trilby is > 2nd > cousin to Joyce. Then Joyce and Pat are third cousins. Then Joyce and > Pat > would be 4th cousins to each other's children. Each generation adds > another > number. > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joyce Luna" <lunaallenjoyce@yahoo.com> > To: "Wayne co TN" <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:52 AM > Subject: [TNWAYNE] Kinfolk? > > > Question: > My mother(Ethel) has a first cousin(trilby) They share a grandmother. > (so they are first cousins.) > Now Joyce is Trilby's first cousin once removed? > They each have a daughter(Pat and Joyce) who share the ggrandmother. > Does this make Pat and Joyce second cousins? > joyce > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1620 - Release Date: 8/19/2008 > 6:04 AM > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the > body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the > body of the message > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. 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Removed means removed by x generations from the original cousinship. I find it helps to work from my first cousin and myself. My first cousin and I have a pair of grandparents in common. Our parents are siblings. My first cousin's child is MY first cousin once removed (in other words one generation "removed" from the original cousinship). It is recorded as 1C1R. My child and my first cousin's child are second cousins -- to EACH OTHER. My grandchild and my first cousin's grandchild are third cousins to each other. Once it gets beyond that, I let my genealogy software figure it out and just call them all cousins or kinfolks. Myra ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cooperbobw@aol.com> To: <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 3:15 PM Subject: [TNWAYNE] Fwd: Fwd: Kinfolk? > If you start with grandparents, then parents are the next generation > down. > The children of the parents are the grandchildren of the grandparents. > > If the grandparents had more than one child who became parents, all those > children are the grandchildren of the grandparents, the children of their > respective parents, and are either brothers and sisters or first cousins > to each > other. As Donita explained, if they are the first cousins of your > children > they are your neices or nephews. > > When this generation of grandchildren become parents, their children are > all > the great grandchildren of the original grandparents, and they are either > brothers and sisters to each other, or they are all second cousins to > each > other. Their relationship to their mother's first cousins and their > father's > first cousins is that they are first cousins, once removed. > > You are not the second cousin of your mother and fathers first cousins. > You > are the first cousin, once removed. > > You are the second cousin of the children of your mother and father's > first > cousins. > > Its sort of like lacing a pair of shoes. If it is straight across, it is > first, second, third, etc. > If it is one eye up or down, it is once removed. > If it is two eyes up or down, it is twice removed, and supposedly, it > goes > on infinitely, in so far as it can be established. > > I know this does not agree with the folkways of figuring Tennessee > "cuzzins," and even though the two methods do not agree, I highly revere > folks and > folkways. > > Peace Already, > > Barbara > > > > ____________________________________ > From: mjfent@bellsouth.net > Reply-to: tnwayne@rootsweb.com > To: tnwayne@rootsweb.com > Sent: 8/20/2008 1:30:54 P.M. Central Standard Time > Subj: Re: [TNWAYNE] Fwd: Kinfolk? > > > This makes sense to me. When you get into that "removing" stuff, I'm > lost. > > Jane Foley > NC > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Cooperbobw@aol.com> > To: <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:08 PM > Subject: [TNWAYNE] Fwd: Kinfolk? > > >> You can start with anybody. The relationships remain constant from >> whichever person you start with. His first cousins are still his >> first >> cousins, >> etc. I think what you mean is that you start with the first common >> ancestors......, which for first cousins is grandparents. For second >> cousins, great >> grandparents, etc. >> >> >> >> ____________________________________ >> From: lunaallenjoyce@yahoo.com >> Reply-to: tnwayne@rootsweb.com >> To: tnwayne@rootsweb.com >> Sent: 8/19/2008 6:54:40 P.M. Central Standard Time >> Subj: Re: [TNWAYNE] Kinfolk? >> >> >> I thought you started with the grandparents? >> joyce >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: David Cagle <dcagle1@charter.net> >> To: tnwayne@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:12:49 PM >> Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] Kinfolk? >> >> Joyce, >> I was confused by some of the answers. I think the "once removed" is >> the >> fly in the ointment. If Joyce and Pat are children of first cousins, >> Ethel >> and Trilby respectively, then Ethel is 2nd cousin to Pat and Trilby is >> 2nd >> cousin to Joyce. Then Joyce and Pat are third cousins. Then Joyce and >> Pat >> would be 4th cousins to each other's children. Each generation adds >> another >> number. >> David >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joyce Luna" <lunaallenjoyce@yahoo.com> >> To: "Wayne co TN" <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:52 AM >> Subject: [TNWAYNE] Kinfolk? >> >> >> Question: >> My mother(Ethel) has a first cousin(trilby) They share a grandmother. >> (so they are first cousins.) >> Now Joyce is Trilby's first cousin once removed? >> They each have a daughter(Pat and Joyce) who share the ggrandmother. >> Does this make Pat and Joyce second cousins? >> joyce >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1620 - Release Date: >> 8/19/2008 >> 6:04 AM >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the >> body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the >> body of the message >> >> >> >> >> **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. 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This makes sense to me. When you get into that "removing" stuff, I'm lost. Jane Foley NC ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cooperbobw@aol.com> To: <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:08 PM Subject: [TNWAYNE] Fwd: Kinfolk? > You can start with anybody. The relationships remain constant from > whichever person you start with. His first cousins are still his first > cousins, > etc. I think what you mean is that you start with the first common > ancestors......, which for first cousins is grandparents. For second > cousins, great > grandparents, etc. > > > > ____________________________________ > From: lunaallenjoyce@yahoo.com > Reply-to: tnwayne@rootsweb.com > To: tnwayne@rootsweb.com > Sent: 8/19/2008 6:54:40 P.M. Central Standard Time > Subj: Re: [TNWAYNE] Kinfolk? > > > I thought you started with the grandparents? > joyce > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: David Cagle <dcagle1@charter.net> > To: tnwayne@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:12:49 PM > Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] Kinfolk? > > Joyce, > I was confused by some of the answers. I think the "once removed" is the > fly in the ointment. If Joyce and Pat are children of first cousins, > Ethel > and Trilby respectively, then Ethel is 2nd cousin to Pat and Trilby is > 2nd > cousin to Joyce. Then Joyce and Pat are third cousins. Then Joyce and > Pat > would be 4th cousins to each other's children. Each generation adds > another > number. > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joyce Luna" <lunaallenjoyce@yahoo.com> > To: "Wayne co TN" <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:52 AM > Subject: [TNWAYNE] Kinfolk? > > > Question: > My mother(Ethel) has a first cousin(trilby) They share a grandmother. > (so they are first cousins.) > Now Joyce is Trilby's first cousin once removed? > They each have a daughter(Pat and Joyce) who share the ggrandmother. > Does this make Pat and Joyce second cousins? > joyce > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1620 - Release Date: 8/19/2008 > 6:04 AM > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the > body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the > body of the message > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am not even going to try to follow this. Too much mind overload. Jane Foley NC ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cooperbobw@aol.com> To: <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:26 PM Subject: [TNWAYNE] Kinfolk? > Donita, > > You are saying that if you have a brother or sister, they are designated > as > S for sibling. > > If your sibling has a child, he or she is your nephew or niece designated > by > N for niece or nephew. > (However, if these kids are parented by separate of your siblings, they > are > first cousins to each other.) > > If your sibling has a grandchild, they are your Grand Niece or Nephew > designated by GN. > (But if two separate of your siblings have grandkids, these grandkids are > second cousins to each other.) > > If separate of your siblings have great grandchildren, they are > designated > GGC, and are your Great Grand Niece or Nephew, designated by GGN. > (These great grand nieces and nephews of yours are third cousins to each > other if descended from different parents.) > > All the second cousins are related to the previous generation of first > cousins as first cousins once removed. > > All the third cousins are related to the previous generation of first > cousins as first cousins, twice removed. > > All the third cousins are related to the previous generation of second > cousins as second cousins, once removed. > > Barbara > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Jalena, you are not the only very very confused person with an aching head. I am too. Can't figure this stuff out once one gets past 2nd cousin. I like my method better: If someone don't want to be called "cousin", I'll just call him or her "Once cousin but now removed." Works for me. Kidding of course, but honesty, I can't understand this stuff. Robert explained it best. Thanks, Robert. Jo Ann Message: 2 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:32:22 -0500 From: jpeck612004@xanadoo.com Subject: [TNWAYNE] Kinfolk? To: tnwayne@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <20080819183222.jy3813uhw0ksss4w@mail-01.xanadoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" ya'll are confusing me big time lol my head hurts lol Jalena ------------------------------

You can start with anybody. The relationships remain constant from whichever person you start with. His first cousins are still his first cousins, etc. I think what you mean is that you start with the first common ancestors......, which for first cousins is grandparents. For second cousins, great grandparents, etc. ____________________________________ From: lunaallenjoyce@yahoo.com Reply-to: tnwayne@rootsweb.com To: tnwayne@rootsweb.com Sent: 8/19/2008 6:54:40 P.M. Central Standard Time Subj: Re: [TNWAYNE] Kinfolk? I thought you started with the grandparents? joyce ----- Original Message ---- From: David Cagle <dcagle1@charter.net> To: tnwayne@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:12:49 PM Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] Kinfolk? Joyce, I was confused by some of the answers. I think the "once removed" is the fly in the ointment. If Joyce and Pat are children of first cousins, Ethel and Trilby respectively, then Ethel is 2nd cousin to Pat and Trilby is 2nd cousin to Joyce. Then Joyce and Pat are third cousins. Then Joyce and Pat would be 4th cousins to each other's children. Each generation adds another number. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Luna" <lunaallenjoyce@yahoo.com> To: "Wayne co TN" <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:52 AM Subject: [TNWAYNE] Kinfolk? Question: My mother(Ethel) has a first cousin(trilby) They share a grandmother. (so they are first cousins.) Now Joyce is Trilby's first cousin once removed? They each have a daughter(Pat and Joyce) who share the ggrandmother. Does this make Pat and Joyce second cousins? joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1620 - Release Date: 8/19/2008 6:04 AM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

Grandparents Brother Sister children are 1st cousins Brother Sister grandchildren are 2nd cousins But a first cousin of brother sister is first cousin once removed to the grandchild of the original set of grandparents You are only 1st, 2nd, 3rd, if you are of the same generation. If you go down to another generation making you 2 generations from common ancestor and the other cousin 3 generations from common ancestor, then you are 1st cousins once removed. -----Original Message----- From: tnwayne-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tnwayne-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Cagle Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:13 PM To: tnwayne@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] Kinfolk? Joyce, I was confused by some of the answers. I think the "once removed" is the fly in the ointment. If Joyce and Pat are children of first cousins, Ethel and Trilby respectively, then Ethel is 2nd cousin to Pat and Trilby is 2nd cousin to Joyce. Then Joyce and Pat are third cousins. Then Joyce and Pat would be 4th cousins to each other's children. Each generation adds another number. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Luna" <lunaallenjoyce@yahoo.com> To: "Wayne co TN" <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:52 AM Subject: [TNWAYNE] Kinfolk? Question: My mother(Ethel) has a first cousin(trilby) They share a grandmother. (so they are first cousins.) Now Joyce is Trilby's first cousin once removed? They each have a daughter(Pat and Joyce) who share the ggrandmother. Does this make Pat and Joyce second cousins? joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1620 - Release Date: 8/19/2008 6:04 AM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Marjorie: I am not the one looking for those people. I just did a lookup for someone else, TeresaSmoke@wildblue.net You might want to send this letter on to her. Thanks. Betty Mc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marjorie Cummings" <mrcummings1@charter.net> To: <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 2:57 AM Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] Sarah Emeline Banks > Betty I had your email sitting in my mail box and just read who you are > looking for. I have an obits on Allen & his wife. I have some pictures of > some of Prince relatives. and Lincoln Cummings Cummins is burried at > Collinwood TN.Aslo I believe Prince is to. I attend a reunion up in > Collinswood back some time ago and meet Allen and some of Prince families. > and Lincoln I see his son pretty often. > Would there be a Lewis connected to Spencer?? I know they are relatives > but > can't find the link. > Marjorie Cummings > mrcummings@charter.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Betty McCollum" <betmac@centurytel.net> > To: <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:40 PM > Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] Sarah Emeline Banks > > >> Hello Teresa: >> I am subscribed to Ancestry.com, and I have checked there for parents >> of >> your Emeline Banks. Didn't find a whole lot but did find this: >> >> Sarah Emeline Banks, b. 1883 in Tennessee. >> (d) Collinwood, Wayne Co., Tn. (no date given) >> Daughter of: James Jason Banks (B) 1864) >> Md. Spencer Cummins >> Their children were: >> Garland >> Lincoln >> Ruth >> Sarah Elsie >> Prince >> Allen. >> I wanted to find them on the 1900 census for Wayne Co., Tn., but haven't >> yet. >> >> There were dates for the children, but I did not copy them. If you want >> them, I'll go back and copy. >> Hope this helps. >> Betty (Guthrie) McCollum >> in Izard Co., Arkansas. (coooold today!) >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Teresa Smoke" <TeresaSmoke@wildblue.net> >> To: <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 8:21 AM >> Subject: [TNWAYNE] Sarah Emeline Banks >> >> >>>I am hoping that someone may know who the parents of Emeline Banks (B. 3 >>>May >>> 1882 D. 24 Jan 1970) are. She married Spencer Newton Cummings. I was >>> told >>> by >>> my mother in law that her brother was Tommy Banks. I don't have any >>> other >>> info on him except his name. I was also told that they their mother was >>> a >>> Reeves. Any help would help? Thanks in advance, Teresa >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: >>> 1/2/2008 >>> 11:29 AM >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: >> 1/2/2008 >> 11:29 AM >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Donita, You are saying that if you have a brother or sister, they are designated as S for sibling. If your sibling has a child, he or she is your nephew or niece designated by N for niece or nephew. (However, if these kids are parented by separate of your siblings, they are first cousins to each other.) If your sibling has a grandchild, they are your Grand Niece or Nephew designated by GN. (But if two separate of your siblings have grandkids, these grandkids are second cousins to each other.) If separate of your siblings have great grandchildren, they are designated GGC, and are your Great Grand Niece or Nephew, designated by GGN. (These great grand nieces and nephews of yours are third cousins to each other if descended from different parents.) All the second cousins are related to the previous generation of first cousins as first cousins once removed. All the third cousins are related to the previous generation of first cousins as first cousins, twice removed. All the third cousins are related to the previous generation of second cousins as second cousins, once removed. Barbara **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

ya'll are confusing me big time lol my head hurts lol Jalena

Joyce, I was confused by some of the answers. I think the "once removed" is the fly in the ointment. If Joyce and Pat are children of first cousins, Ethel and Trilby respectively, then Ethel is 2nd cousin to Pat and Trilby is 2nd cousin to Joyce. Then Joyce and Pat are third cousins. Then Joyce and Pat would be 4th cousins to each other's children. Each generation adds another number. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Luna" <lunaallenjoyce@yahoo.com> To: "Wayne co TN" <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:52 AM Subject: [TNWAYNE] Kinfolk? Question: My mother(Ethel) has a first cousin(trilby) They share a grandmother. (so they are first cousins.) Now Joyce is Trilby's first cousin once removed? They each have a daughter(Pat and Joyce) who share the ggrandmother. Does this make Pat and Joyce second cousins? joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1620 - Release Date: 8/19/2008 6:04 AM

I thought you started with the grandparents? joyce ----- Original Message ---- From: David Cagle <dcagle1@charter.net> To: tnwayne@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:12:49 PM Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] Kinfolk? Joyce, I was confused by some of the answers.  I think the "once removed" is the fly in the ointment.  If Joyce and Pat are children of first cousins, Ethel and Trilby respectively, then Ethel is 2nd cousin to Pat and Trilby is 2nd cousin to Joyce.  Then Joyce and Pat are third cousins. Then Joyce and Pat would be 4th cousins to each other's children. Each generation adds another number. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Luna" <lunaallenjoyce@yahoo.com> To: "Wayne co TN" <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:52 AM Subject: [TNWAYNE] Kinfolk? Question: My mother(Ethel) has a first cousin(trilby) They share a grandmother. (so they are first cousins.) Now Joyce is Trilby's first cousin once removed? They each have a daughter(Pat and Joyce) who share the ggrandmother. Does this make Pat and Joyce second cousins? joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1620 - Release Date: 8/19/2008 6:04 AM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oh, hey! I understand how relationships really work - one has to know that if they're going to work with genealogy - I was just having fun with my cousin - 3 time removed, that is - Donita ----- Original Message ---- From: "Cooperbobw@aol.com" <Cooperbobw@aol.com> To: tnwayne@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:26:20 PM Subject: [TNWAYNE] Kinfolk? Donita, You are saying that if you have a brother or sister, they are designated as S for sibling. If your sibling has a child, he or she is your nephew or niece designated by N for niece or nephew. (However, if these kids are parented by separate of your siblings, they are first cousins to each other.) If your sibling has a grandchild, they are your Grand Niece or Nephew designated by GN. (But if two separate of your siblings have grandkids, these grandkids are second cousins to each other.) If separate of your siblings have great grandchildren, they are designated GGC, and are your Great Grand Niece or Nephew, designated by GGN. (These great grand nieces and nephews of yours are third cousins to each other if descended from different parents.) All the second cousins are related to the previous generation of first cousins as first cousins once removed. All the third cousins are related to the previous generation of first cousins as first cousins, twice removed. All the third cousins are related to the previous generation of second cousins as second cousins, once removed. Barbara **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You are absolutely right!! ____________________________________ From: lunaallenjoyce@yahoo.com Reply-to: tnwayne@rootsweb.com To: tnwayne@rootsweb.com Sent: 8/19/2008 11:50:51 A.M. Central Standard Time Subj: Re: [TNWAYNE] Kinfolk? The two ( Ethel and Trilby) were children of brothers who shared a grandmother. (not sisters). My mother was Ethel and her cousin is Trilby, so I am Trilby's first cousin once-removed. Now Trilbys daughter and Ethel's daughter shared a ggrandmother that makes them second cousins. Do I have this correct? Thanks so much, joyce ----- Original Message ---- From: "Cooperbobw@aol.com" <Cooperbobw@aol.com> To: tnwayne@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 12:43:43 PM Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] Kinfolk? This discussion came up between my cousin Steve Cooper and me the last time I was there. It was a hoot!Tennessee and Alabama folks seem to have their own folksy way of figuring this out, but what you said is correct. If two sisters have girls, the girls are first cousins. When the girls have children, the children are second cousins. The children of the first cousins are first cousins once removed of their mother's first cousin. Barbara Cooper McGee ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 8/19/2008 10:53:29 A.M. Central Standard Time, lunaallenjoyce@yahoo.com writes: Question: My mother(Ethel) has a first cousin(trilby) They share a grandmother. (so they are first cousins.) Now Joyce is Trilby's first cousin once removed? They each have a daughter(Pat and Joyce) who share the ggrandmother. Does this make Pat and Joyce second cousins? joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

I appreciate this but for some reason it is confusing...... guess I am just a dummy..... joyce ----- Original Message ---- From: Donita Barkley <djbarkley1949@yahoo.com> To: tnwayne@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 3:35:45 PM Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] Kinfolk? I was having a conversation recently with a guy I met online - turns out we were 'sort of' related through various marriages - so he and I decided we were 'cuzzins.' We laughingly shared this information with another 'cuzzin' - only she didn't have the sense of humor that we had about it. Where I come from, it doesn't matter how extended or peripheral the relationship to the family you might be - if you're connected, you're a cousin! But - my other cousin being a more serious genealogist than me - sent me this chart in order to set me straight on how relationships are calculated  - >From CompuServe's Genealogy Forum On the top row, find the relationship of one person to the common ancestor and follow the column straight down. Find the other persons relationship to the common ancestor on the left hand column and follow that row straight across. The relationship is where the projected row and column meet. CA Common Ancestor S Sibling (brother or sister) C Child N Niece/Nephew GC Grand Child GN Grand Niece/Nephew GGC Great Grand Child GGN Great Grand Niece/Nephew #C # Cousin (1C - 1st cousin, 2C - 2nd cousin, etc.) #R # of times removed (1R - once removed, 2R - twice removed,  etc.) (Based on the system used by courts and most genealogical societies.) 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 0 CA C GC GGC 2 GGC 3 GGC 4 GGC 5 GGC 6 GGC 7 GGC 8 GGC 1 C S N GN GGN 2 GGN 3 GGN 4 GGN 5 GGN 6 GGN 7 GGN 2 GC N 1C 1C 1R 1C 2R 1C 3R 1C 4R 1C 5R 1C 6R 1C 7R 1C 8R 3 GGC GN 1C 1R 2C  2C 1R 2C 2R 2C 3R 2C 4R 2C 5R 2C 6R 2C 7R 4 2 GGC GGN 1C 2R 2C 1R 3C  3C 1R 3C 2R 3C 3R 3C 4R 3C 5R 3C 6R 5 3 GGC 2 GGN 1C 3R 2C 2R 3C 1R 4C  4C 1R 4C 2R 4C 3R 4C 4R 4C 5R 6 4 GGC 3 GGN 1C 4R 2C 3R 3C 2R 4C 1R 5C  5C 1R 5C 2R 5C 3R 5C 4R 7 5 GGC 4 GGN 1C 5R 2C 4R 3C 3R 4C 2R 5C 1R 6C  6C 1R 6C 2R 6C 3R 8 6 GGC 5 GGN 1C 6R 2C 5R 3C 4R 4C 3R 5C 2R 6C 1R 7C  7C 1R 7C 2R 9 7 GGC 6 GGN 1C 7R 2C 6R 3C 5R 4C 4R 5C 3R 6C 2R 7C 1R 8C  8C 1R 10 8 GGC 7 GGN 1C 8R 2C 7R 3C 6R 4C 5R 5C 4R 6C 3R 7C 2R 8C 1R 9C  Donita ----- Original Message ---- From: Joyce Luna <lunaallenjoyce@yahoo.com> To: Wayne co TN <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:52:49 AM Subject: [TNWAYNE] Kinfolk? Question: My mother(Ethel) has a first cousin(trilby)  They share a grandmother. (so they are first cousins.) Now Joyce is Trilby's first cousin once removed? They each have a daughter(Pat and Joyce) who share the ggrandmother. Does this make Pat and Joyce second cousins? joyce       ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message       ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This discussion came up between my cousin Steve Cooper and me the last time I was there. It was a hoot!Tennessee and Alabama folks seem to have their own folksy way of figuring this out, but what you said is correct. If two sisters have girls, the girls are first cousins. When the girls have children, the children are second cousins. The children of the first cousins are first cousins once removed of their mother's first cousin. Barbara Cooper McGee ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 8/19/2008 10:53:29 A.M. Central Standard Time, lunaallenjoyce@yahoo.com writes: Question: My mother(Ethel) has a first cousin(trilby) They share a grandmother. (so they are first cousins.) Now Joyce is Trilby's first cousin once removed? They each have a daughter(Pat and Joyce) who share the ggrandmother. Does this make Pat and Joyce second cousins? joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

I was having a conversation recently with a guy I met online - turns out we were 'sort of' related through various marriages - so he and I decided we were 'cuzzins.' We laughingly shared this information with another 'cuzzin' - only she didn't have the sense of humor that we had about it. Where I come from, it doesn't matter how extended or peripheral the relationship to the family you might be - if you're connected, you're a cousin! But - my other cousin being a more serious genealogist than me - sent me this chart in order to set me straight on how relationships are calculated - >From CompuServe's Genealogy Forum On the top row, find the relationship of one person to the common ancestor and follow the column straight down. Find the other persons relationship to the common ancestor on the left hand column and follow that row straight across. The relationship is where the projected row and column meet. CA Common Ancestor S Sibling (brother or sister) C Child N Niece/Nephew GC Grand Child GN Grand Niece/Nephew GGC Great Grand Child GGN Great Grand Niece/Nephew #C # Cousin (1C - 1st cousin, 2C - 2nd cousin, etc.) #R # of times removed (1R - once removed, 2R - twice removed, etc.) (Based on the system used by courts and most genealogical societies.) 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 0 CA C GC GGC 2 GGC 3 GGC 4 GGC 5 GGC 6 GGC 7 GGC 8 GGC 1 C S N GN GGN 2 GGN 3 GGN 4 GGN 5 GGN 6 GGN 7 GGN 2 GC N 1C 1C 1R 1C 2R 1C 3R 1C 4R 1C 5R 1C 6R 1C 7R 1C 8R 3 GGC GN 1C 1R 2C 2C 1R 2C 2R 2C 3R 2C 4R 2C 5R 2C 6R 2C 7R 4 2 GGC GGN 1C 2R 2C 1R 3C 3C 1R 3C 2R 3C 3R 3C 4R 3C 5R 3C 6R 5 3 GGC 2 GGN 1C 3R 2C 2R 3C 1R 4C 4C 1R 4C 2R 4C 3R 4C 4R 4C 5R 6 4 GGC 3 GGN 1C 4R 2C 3R 3C 2R 4C 1R 5C 5C 1R 5C 2R 5C 3R 5C 4R 7 5 GGC 4 GGN 1C 5R 2C 4R 3C 3R 4C 2R 5C 1R 6C 6C 1R 6C 2R 6C 3R 8 6 GGC 5 GGN 1C 6R 2C 5R 3C 4R 4C 3R 5C 2R 6C 1R 7C 7C 1R 7C 2R 9 7 GGC 6 GGN 1C 7R 2C 6R 3C 5R 4C 4R 5C 3R 6C 2R 7C 1R 8C 8C 1R 10 8 GGC 7 GGN 1C 8R 2C 7R 3C 6R 4C 5R 5C 4R 6C 3R 7C 2R 8C 1R 9C Donita ----- Original Message ---- From: Joyce Luna <lunaallenjoyce@yahoo.com> To: Wayne co TN <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:52:49 AM Subject: [TNWAYNE] Kinfolk? Question: My mother(Ethel) has a first cousin(trilby) They share a grandmother. (so they are first cousins.) Now Joyce is Trilby's first cousin once removed? They each have a daughter(Pat and Joyce) who share the ggrandmother. Does this make Pat and Joyce second cousins? joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joyce - this was caught in the system for a few minutes - may wind up duplicated (apologies to all if so) - Robert > Joyce - > > Yes, the children of 1st cousins are second cousins to each other - and > 1st cousins once removed to their parents' 1st cousins. Their children > will be third cousins - and 2nd cousins once removed from their parents' > second cousins - and 1st cousins twice removed from their grandparents' > 1st cousins! > > Here's an explanation from About.com at > http://genealogy.about.com/library/tips/blcousins.htm: > > "First cousins are the people in your family who have two of the same > grandparents as you. > Second cousins have the same great-grandparents as you, but not the same > grandparents. > Third cousins have in common two great-great-grandparents and their > ancestors. > > "When cousins descend from common ancestors by a different number of > generations they are called 'removed.' > > "Once removed means there is a difference of one generation. Your mother's > first cousin would be your first cousin, once removed. She is one > generation younger than your grandparents and you are two generations > younger than your grandparents. Twice removed means that there is a > two-generation difference. Your grandmother's first cousin would be your > first cousin, twice removed because you are separated by two generations. > Just to complicate matters, there are also many cases of double cousins. > This situation usually occurs when siblings from one family marry siblings > from another family. The resulting children, grandchildren, etc. are > double cousins, because they share all four ancestors in common." > > > As to what constitutes "kissin' cousins", that's another topic. My simple > understanding was that meant cousins lawfully allowed to marry - second & > more distant cousins when I learned it. But which cousins are allowed to > marriage is covered extensively at > http://www.cousincouples.com/?page=states. > > Robert > > >

The two ( Ethel and Trilby) were children of brothers who shared a grandmother. (not sisters). My mother was Ethel and her cousin is Trilby, so I am Trilby's first cousin once-removed. Now Trilbys daughter and Ethel's daughter shared a ggrandmother that makes them second cousins. Do I have this correct? Thanks so much, joyce ----- Original Message ---- From: "Cooperbobw@aol.com" <Cooperbobw@aol.com> To: tnwayne@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 12:43:43 PM Subject: Re: [TNWAYNE] Kinfolk? This discussion came up between my cousin Steve Cooper and me the last  time I was there.  It was a hoot!Tennessee and Alabama folks seem to have  their own folksy way of figuring this out, but what you said is correct.  If two sisters have girls, the girls are first cousins.  When the girls  have children, the children are second cousins.  The children of the first  cousins are first cousins once removed of their mother's first  cousin.  Barbara Cooper McGee ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 8/19/2008 10:53:29 A.M. Central Standard Time,  lunaallenjoyce@yahoo.com writes: Question: My mother(Ethel) has a first cousin(trilby)  They  share a grandmother. (so they are first cousins.) Now Joyce is Trilby's  first cousin once removed? They each have a daughter(Pat and  Joyce) who share the ggrandmother. Does this make Pat and Joyce second  cousins? joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list,  please send an email to TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word  'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the  message **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.      (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message