Edgar, The site is working here, and has been since your email concerning updates. Thanks! Carolyn in Memphis
In the last week, I've received several messages from people on AOL and one other serivce, stating that they cannot access the Wayne County Page. I'm not having any problems either either the Netease server or the Rootsweb server. Would any of you on the list take a minute to check the page and let us know is there are any problem? It seems most of the error messages indicate that either the page is not available or the link is broken. Don't think we've gone 401 yet. Please respond back to the list. I'm particularly interested in what others on AOL are experiencing. Edgar Edgar D. Byler, III <[email protected]> Editor, Wayne County Historian, Wayne County, Tennessee, USA Co-Coordinator Wayne County TN Web Page: http://www.netease.net/wayne County Co-ordinator ALHN Wayne Co., TN page http://www.netease.net/wayne Listkeeper: [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Personal Page: http://www.netease.net/members/edby3
Jackie Hurst wrote in the last TNWAYNE-D about the INDIANA PIONEER CEMETERIES RESTORATION PROJECT (INPCRP) http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/ <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/">Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project </A> The Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project was begun by Scott Satterthwaite in October 1997 as an effort to generate public awareness about the neglected pioneer cemeteries of Indiana. The state of Indiana is home to thousands of abandoned or neglected pioneer cemeteries, the oldest of which now approach 200 years.The goal of this project is to identify, protect, restore and preserve as many of these cemeteries as possible. This project was founded on the belief that we owe our pioneer ancestors a better monument than a forgotten grave amid bramble and thicket. Go to http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/ or click on the following...... <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/">Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project </A> Best wishes, Tom Evans (A transplanted Hoosier) In a message dated 11/7/1 3:04:18 PM, [email protected] writes: << X-Message: #2 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:51:52 -0500 From: "Jackie W. Hurst" <[email protected]> >><A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/">Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project </A> Perhaps some genealogy buff in Indiana will see this and let us all know more about the Indiana Department of Graveyard Location, Restoral and Preservation practices, and how we might contact them. >>
Marie, The state archives are just full of wonderful information. We spent 4 days there and ran out of time to check out everything we wanted to do. Linda
The State of Indiana has a department (paid) charged with graveyard and tombstone location and restoral. To my knowledge their practices are recognized as the best known, as of now. I read a long story about their work about four years ago, and was greatly impressed. My recollection is that they readily share their data on techniques, etc.. Unfortunately, I lost their website information, and don't know just how to go about locating it. Perhaps some genealogy buff in Indiana will see this and let us all know more about the Indiana Department of Graveyard Location, Restoral and Preservation practices, and how we might contact them. I do know from a little study of geology and chemistry that you can do a lot of damage if you don't know what you're doing. What's truly unfortunate is that most of these "home-cures" leave such a vast improvement that people go about applying them to a lot of stones. A few years later the final effects of these good intentions show up as disasters. Jack Hurst
Well, it looks like there are alot of opinions on this tombstone protection thing. So I thought I had better pass these ideas along to you. So here goes. Jane ****************** That's a really neat idea! I'd like to add another idea that my son came up with that work also. My gggrandparents tombstones were broken into several pieces by cattle be allowed to roam in the cemetary. He took them to his workshop and laid the stones flat down on their faces, (pieced back together) and put a bolt in the back of each piece. He then built a form around the headstone twice the depth of the stone and poured concrete to fill the form and to cover the metal bolts. This way the stones were stood back up in their original places, and will last as long as the concrete does. This one works for me. There may be others out there that also work. Margaret ************** I hope they are not using the clear acrylic coating. I did some rocks with it to bring out the color and set them outside. After a few years of just going through all the weather the coating yellowed and is still peeling in bitty pieces. Frances ************** Oops on the clear coating. All stone has moisture in it. especially marblesand sealing it will cause it to freeze and slough off in layers so that the front will just fall off. I have worked in Tombstone work for along time. It's horrible what it does. It will speed up the damage if it can't breathe or expand, somewhat like a concrete sidewalk, it needs expanders and the coating seals it in. It might work in the dry desert but I doubt if its needed there. Tombstones are so easy to damage that even someone repeatedly resting their hand on a corner will make it go yellow. There was one in my family that always got 'patted' right in the middle, now some 30 years later it is yellow right there. Another thing people do is try to scrub out the lichen growing on a granite or marble. the cleaners make it look good for a few years then it will cause it to crumble and turn a yellow color.lichen grows deep inside before you see it enough on the outside of the stone to bother you. Just buff it off with a soft flannel cloth. It has already made thin cracks inside the stone itself..These rootspaces are full of plant material and water , little compost bins sort of. There is a tombstone near me that I am still trying to figure out. I have sifted through the soil and found the letters in one and two's and trying to spell it out. it was a native stone that exfoliated its layers offdue to freezing and thawing. They came off neat as puzzle pieces I just don't have all the letters yet. I have seen all kinds of frames put on the old ones, some work well, but really need afiberglass infiltrated epoxy so it won't expand and contract like cement. though some of the new cement to fiber mixes seem not to do so much of it. If you have to resection one, use nylon sticks that are put through a pipe threader, they are used as pegs to epoxy the parts back together. You can also get a plastic epoxy grid made to hold sections of a broken tombstone. It can be shaped by any company who makes the outdoor type of resin decorations and tables etc. They never expand and contract or react to the chemicals in stone. I have seen horror stones! Some in Weatherford Texas where 'saved' by laying them flat into concrete! They were marble and the letters are being frozen and cracked and weatherd right out of them. They needed to be 'rested' and epoxyed against a wedge shaped cement or stone so the water would drain from it. Epoxy being a lot more forgiving and the least chemical reaction. Cement is limey and will eat marble and disolve it eventually. Another commonly seen disaster is the mending with metal screws and plates, they always rust and iron gets inside the stone If you need a cleaner get Orbus,from a farm store. It is the only approved one used by museums and societies, as it leaves the least chemicals. Marble is the biggest challenge, it acts like a sponge and is sovery soft. Check with your State Historical Commission , most of them have a website devoted to the subject or will send a pamplet. Much of their research comes from people who restore buildings and statues as that is where the money is. Your local restorer can give you the names of any epoxy you want to try or where to get the nylon rods or plates needed. I got a call from someone recently who observed a man who was painting the inside of each letter of the Confederate Soldiers stones in a cemetery with gold metalic paint. I thought I had seen everything! The commission still has no idea of how to remove it as it has metal in it and it is aborbed already by the marble. They may never be cleaned from that. I collect interesting tombstones and recently saw some of tombstones that has fake jewels epoxied onto the cement, very unique! Susan in Texas ***************** I forgot to add the epoxy shielding the top of the stones acts like glass in the heat, the mosisture comes up from the ground, though pourous marble and cement and can't get out through the top , the sun heats the stuff into steam and cracks it up. Put a piece of glass on a sidewalk even when it is dry and in the mornings it will be wet from condensation underneath most days. The chemicals also will collect in the steam and make the epoxy go foggy after a while or rusty looking if the ground around it has iron in it. Susan ****************** To all: I know you mean well but this is not an accepted method of preservation of gravestones and will cause the stones to deteriorate. The stone needs to "breathe". The stone absorbs moisture from the ground and it has no way to evaporate if the stone is sealed. This leads to the stone crumbling. The chemicals in the sealer could also interact with the materials in the stone. Please read the following Do's and Don'ts of cemetery repair at: http://members.aol.com/ctgravenet/dosdonts.htm#TOP Susan **************** Dear Jane, Several people have sent me copies of the "new idea" you are sharing on the Internet. Please consider contacting those you have dispersed this message to and letting them know that it is an extremely damaging and irreversible technique and should never be done to any stone. While the stones that you saw may have "looked" fine, it is the result over time that counts. Similar techniques have been tried in the past with the same results; the technique will greatly hasten the deterioration of the stone, and it and the acrylic top coat will form a thick film of mildew and/or algae. Please understand that marble is a highly porous stone. Lying flat on the ground, it will be wicking up moisture from the soil. With the acrylic top coat preventing the normal respiration, coupled with the extreme heat that will be generated on sunny days, much like a greenhouse, the imprisoned gravestone will "cook" in a moisture-laden environment. Furthermore, the stone will become highly impregnated with water, leaving it at much greater risk for internal disintegration during freeze/thaw cycles over the winter. Additionally, as I said in reply to one of the Rootsweb lists in which your note appeared, anyone caught doing this type of gravestone desecration is liable, depending on the laws of that state, for civil and/or criminal prosecution. I realize that your intentions in sharing this information were honorable and applaud your willingness to pass on what you thought was a good idea. In the future, please contact the experts at the Association for Gravestone Studies ([email protected]) before acting on your impulse to help. I have often told my readers that more damage is done in cemeteries by well-meaning preservationists using improper techniques (household bleach, wire brushes, power washers, flat concrete encasements, etc.) than by vandals. The best tool to preserve our cemeteries is proper education. The source is out there and free to anyone. Again, thank you for caring, Jeanne Robinson, Executive Director Oregon Historic Cemeteries Association, Inc. PO Box 802 Boring, OR 97009] (503) 658-4255 - Fax (503) 658-3111 [email protected] www.oregoncemeteries.org Preserving the Past for the Future
I thought this idea was worth sharing. Jane Foley Hey Cousins, It is said there is nothing new under the sun, but I saw something yesterday, though it may not be new, it is certainly new to me. I'll try to describe it for you. While walking through an old cemetery here in Harvey County, KS, I ran across five headstones, broken from their bases. The people who are keeping the cemetery, in very good condition I might add, have built wooden forms the thickness of the various broken stones, laid the stones flat at the head of the grave with the wooden forms around them (with about a 6 inch space all around the stones) and poured concrete into the forms flush with the face of the stones. The stones appear to have been cleaned with mild detergent and a brush. Once dried, it appears that they have poured a coating of either automotive clear coat, or the hard acrylic clear coating found in hobby shops. The end result is a stone too heavy to steal, a coating to protect the face of the stone and the preservation of information for years to come. This may not be new, but it is novel and certainly crucial to genealogy researchers in the years to come. Just thought I would share this with the list, in hopes that it will generate some protection across the nation for the many broken or damaged stones. I might add, that the ones that were in two or three or more pieces, were put together and once coated, all you see are the break lines but they can't be moved. Dean Taylor
Busy weekend!!! Lots of new information on the Wayne County page. Here's the update ... 50 more pages of the transcription of the first Circuit Court Minute Book have been posted. http://www.netease.net/wayne/circuit11.htm Enumerations of two more cemeteries have been added. Butler Grove Cemetery http://www.netease.net/wayne/whitten.htm#170 Roberts Cemetery http://www.netease.net/wayne/eaglecreek.htm#194 Queries updated (lots of new queries) The search engine has been updated. Have fun and happy hunting. Edgar
Marie, the State Archives are in Nashville. I've never been to the Archives, but it's supposedly a wealth of information. This would be my first place to do research for Tennessee- in general. Good luck, Carolyn.
I'm going to be in Nashville TN and would like to know if anyone knows of some good research librarys in the area. Marie
Please help. I'm sure SOMEONE besides myself has also been searching out this branch of our family. With so many connections to families like the Copelands and Roses I'm sure many genealogists have seen the family of William Carroll Webb. Born 1818/20, William Carroll married Sarah Jane Brown and had seven children before he died in 1855 in Clifton Tennessee. The children were; Henry Marshall Webb b.12/20/1847 William Riley Webb b.10/06/1845 ( who married Amanda Minerva Copeland) Susan Webb b.1842 Margaret Webb b.1850 Julia Ann Webb b.1837 James (Jim) William Webb b.09/18/1840 Mary Minerva Webb b.1853 According to the 1850 census, William C. Webb Dist. no 6 Itawamba co. Ms. 1850 William C. Webb 30 TN Sarah 30 NC Julie Ann 11 TN James 9 TN Susanna 7 TN William 3 TN Henry M. 1 Ms I believe William C Webb had a sister, Minerva. She married Jesse Rose. William & Minerva's Father may be James Webb. I believe James Webb owned "the Old Webb Home-place" where James Copeland died and was buried in 1866. I'm hoping someone can help me get further back Can you please help or refer me to someone who can? E-mail at [email protected] anyone who has any info I'd appreciate Thank You, Steve Neal
This message is being forwarded to the list by the listowner. If you can add something to the message below or wish to contact the person who wrote the message, reply to "Jo Luna" <[email protected]>. Please do not reply to the listowner. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo Luna" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 1:48 PM Subject: {not a subscriber} SARAH BRADLEY B. ABT. 1832 > My great-grandmother, Sarah BRADLEY was the daughter of Mark BRADLEY. > She married Robert ALLEN, she was his second wife. > She and Robert had lots of children and I was wondering if anyone had > any information or is searching any of the lines of this family. When > there are this many children it seems that someone would be searching > for at least one of them. > Names are: > William Thomas ALLEN b. abt. 1848-1850(mother was Elizabeth ??) from > Alabama. > Berry b. 1852 > James Shelton b. 1854 (my grandfather). > Paralee b. 1856 > Martha A. b. 1856 > Betsy A. b. 1859 > In 1850 the Bradley's and Allen's were living in district 10, of Wayne > County, Tennessee. > By July 1860 both families were living in District 13, Cypress Inn,Tn. > along the southern border of Tennessee close to Alabama. > I have not located Sarah again untill 1880, living in Maury County, Tn. she > is listed in Enumeration District 171, Dwelling 84.15th Civil District. > Sarah ALLEN age 48,W F widow,keeps house. > Children at this address..............Ann W F age 23 > ......................................Mollie W F age 19 > ......................................Willie W M age 11, > ......................................Tom WM age 8 > ......................................Emma J. age 4 granddaughter > ......................................DAVIS, John W. 1 yr. grandson > NOTES: > 1. It seems that the Ann 23, was Martha Ann on the 1850 Census. > 2. George Washington ALLEN born January 26, 1865 in Maury County was > living with William BRATCHER age 56, and Matilda 57, he is listed as > nephew age 15. along with their children Charity 19, Newman A.age 12. > On his death certificate states his parents are Robert ALLEN and Sallie > BRADLEY. Informant: Mrs. Earl BOSHERS, Rt 2 Mt.Pleasant.Tn. > 3. William Henry Allen born June 10, 1869, parents listed as James > Robert ALLEN AND Sallie BRADLEY, iNFORMANT: Willie ALLEN. > Now Robert and SARAH had all of these children and it seems that > someone beside myself must be searching for them. I will continue > on untill I locate SARAH again, as I would like to know shere she > is buried. > I would appreciate any help. > joyce allen luna > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >
This message is being forwarded to the list by the listowner. If you can add something to the message below or wish to contact the person who wrote the message, reply to "Bob Young" <[email protected]>. Please do not reply to the listowner. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Young" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 10:28 AM > looking for family of charles rufus ward & margaret elizabeth james ward .family lived in this area about 1880,s [charles rufus is buied in lutt,s cemetery hardin or wayne county] thanks bob > >
I need information on a BUCK HOWELL that lived in Lauderdale County, Alabama. He may have been born in Wayne County, Tennessee. Date of birth and death are unknown. He would of been born in the late 1700's or early 1800's. He died unknown year. I need any information, birth, death, marriages to whom, children, his parents, etc. Thanks for any help. Steve Cooper Cloverdale, Alabama [email protected]
Jerry, I saw a copy of it in the East TN Historical Society research room here in Knoxville. If you can't find a copy to purchase, I will be glad to go up there and do lookups while I am researching, if that would help. Julie Haynes [email protected]eb.com wrote: > Subject: > > TNWAYNE-D Digest Volume 01 : Issue 82 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [TNWAYNE] Looking for a book ["Jerry W. Murphy" <[email protected]] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from TNWAYNE-D, send a message to > > [email protected] > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [TNWAYNE] Looking for a book > Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 00:52:55 -0500 > From: "Jerry W. Murphy" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > Does anyone know if the book, "Marriage Records of Wayne County, Tennessee > 1857-1929", by Irma Matthews Plott is still available? If so, where? I've > had someone email me asking where they can get a copy of it. Thanks. > > Jerry W. Murphy > [email protected] > Jerry's Homepage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jwmurphy/ > Rootsweb List Administrator: ALFRANKL-L, TNHARDIN-L, TNWAYNE-L, > BRATTON-L, COCHRAN-L, HAFLEY-L, PATTERSON-L, SOWERBY-L > Wayne County, Tennessee Web Page: http://www.netease.net/wayne > Wayne County Computer Club: http://www.netease.net/waccc
Hello list I am looking for KELLEY/KELLY descendents of Wayne Co. TN. I'm looking for info on the parents of Ada KELLEY b. abt. 1866, She married J.D. RICKETTS in Wayne Co TN. 07, July 1884. The stories that goes with this lady are: Ada Kelley died in Childbirth of first child Amanda RICKETTS on Feb 1886. One of Amanda'a children told me the name Elzmanda was important to her but can't remember why. Some one listed her mom as Mary Elizabeth. I'm hoping is to find someone that knows of these families I've post below. <<<Please>>> help me find my gr grandmothers family. I found 1880 census Wayne Co TN. Dist 4 Enu Dist # 171 - 11th Civil Dist 12th of June 1880. 77-81 KELLEY- John 39 Preacher Angeline 39 wife Mary A. L. R. daug 17 Magdaline R. daug 10 Ester R daug 7 Archelus N. 3 son John W. son 1 month 92-96 KELLEY- Jonathan 35 farmer Elmanza C. 42 wife Ardena E. 12 daug ( could this be ADA) Martha E. 10 daug Jeremiah 8 son Louisa 6 daug 1880 Wayne Co TN 12th civil Dist 22nd and 23th of June 1880 229-233 - KELLEY, Edward 33 farmer Isabella M. 35 wife WM. 13 son Amanda E. 12 daug Edward M. 10 son Eliza A. daug 8 Sarah K. daug 6 Thomas E. son 4 Martha D. daug 2 Andrew B. 2/12 Mar son Thank you for your time. Denise PRINCE Wilson
Does anyone know if the book, "Marriage Records of Wayne County, Tennessee 1857-1929", by Irma Matthews Plott is still available? If so, where? I've had someone email me asking where they can get a copy of it. Thanks. Jerry W. Murphy [email protected] Jerry's Homepage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jwmurphy/ Rootsweb List Administrator: ALFRANKL-L, TNHARDIN-L, TNWAYNE-L, BRATTON-L, COCHRAN-L, HAFLEY-L, PATTERSON-L, SOWERBY-L Wayne County, Tennessee Web Page: http://www.netease.net/wayne Wayne County Computer Club: http://www.netease.net/waccc
I'm looking for descendants of the following Evans family of Perry & Wayne Co., Tennessee.... Agee; Bowers; Dodd; Evans; Glover; James; Miller; Stockard ; Tidwell; Tinnon; and Waters (1) 1 Allen B. Evans <> Birth: abt 1807, Lunenburg Co., VA Death: 1878/1880, Wayne Co., TN Father: Mark Evans , Jr. (~1774-1815) Mother: Winnifred Andrews (->1810) Spouse: Martha Westmoreland Glover Birth: abt 1808, Brunswick Co., VA Death: abt 1870, Perry Co., TN, Wayne Co., TN Father: Daniel Glover (~1775-) Mother: Mary "Polly" Westmoreland (1790-<1821) Marr: 13 Jan 1830, Mecklenburg Co., VA Children: Louisa Jane (1830-1892) Rebecca Westmoreland (~1832-) Richard L. (~1834-) Martha (~1836-) William R. (~1838-) Mary J. (~1840-) Sarah Frances (1842-) Salina Westmoreland (~1844-1920) Virginia Adalaide (~1846-) John Glover (1849-1924) Wyatt Henry (~1852-1886) (2) 1.1 Richard L. Evans <> Birth: abt 1834, Maury Co., TN Spouse: S. (Unknown) Birth: abt 1834, Maury Co., TN Marr: abt 1858 (2) 1.2 Martha Evans <> Birth: abt 1836, Maury Co., TN Death: Died in Texas? Spouse: Mr. Tidwell (2) 1.3 William R. Evans <> Birth: abt 1838, Maury Co., TN Spouse: Elizabeth (Evans) Death: abt 1879 Marr: 4 Oct 1865, Wayne Co., TN (2) 1.4 Mary J. Evans <> Birth: abt 1840, Maury Co., TN Death: AR Spouse: Jasper M. James Death: AR Children: Walter (3) 1.4.1 Walter James <> (2) 1.5 Sarah Frances Evans <> Birth: 9 Sep 1842, Maury Co., TN Spouse: William Armine Tinnon Birth: abt 1835, Giles Co. ?, TN Father: John Tinnon Mother: Jane Davidson Marr: 4 Oct 1880, Wayne Co., TN Children: Robert Sidney (1882-1959) (3) 1.5.1 Robert Sidney Tinnon <> Birth: 18 Mar 1882, Clifton, Wayne Co., TN Death: 18 Sep 1959, Donelson, Davidson Co., TN, age: 77 Burial: Mt. Olivet Cem., Nashville, Davidson Co., TN Spouse: Louise Bowers Birth: Nashville, Davidson Co., TN Father: Samuel Houston Bowers Mother: Katie Louise Jones Marr: 1906, Nashville, Davidson Co., TN Children: Sam B. Miss (4) 1.5.1.1 Sam B. Tinnon , Sr. <> (4) 1.5.1.2 Miss Tinnon <> Spouse: Lowry S. Dodd (2) 1.6 Salina Westmoreland Evans <> Birth: abt 1844, Perry Co., TN Death: 1920, Crockett Co., TN Spouse: J.E. William Agee Marr: 25 Feb 1903, Crockett Co., TN (2) 1.7 Virginia Adalaide Evans <> Birth: abt Jul 1846, Perry Co., TN Spouse: Wesley Waters Marr: 7 Jan 1883, Wayne Co., TN Children: William A. (1886-) Charlie (1887-) Dora (1888-) Frank (1889-) (3) 1.7.1 William A. Waters <> Birth: Jan 1886, Wayne Co., TN (3) 1.7.2 Charlie Waters <> Birth: Mar 1887, Wayne Co., TN (3) 1.7.3 Dora Waters <> Birth: Aug 1888, Wayne Co., TN (3) 1.7.4 Frank Waters <> Birth: Jul 1889, Wayne Co., TN (2) 1.8 Wyatt Henry Evans <> Birth: abt 1852, Perry Co., TN Death: 16 Jul 1886 Burial: Clifton City Cem., Wayne Co., TN Spouse: Eudora Miller Birth: abt 1852 Death: 1880, Wayne Co., TN Burial: Clifton City Cem., Wayne Co., TN Marr: 26 Dec 1876, Wayne Co., TN Children: Franklin A. (1877-) (3) 1.8.1 Franklin A. Evans <> Birth: 26 Dec 1877, Wayne Co., TN Spouse: Bessie Stockard Father: S.J. Stockard Mother: (Unknown) *** *** If you have information on any of these people, I'd sure like to hear from you. Tom Evans [email protected]
Hi cousins: I recently found a reference to the wife of William WEST, 1812-aft 1880, that gave her name as Elizabeth LINDSEY. >From census records Elizabeth was b abt 1815 in TN. They were probably married about 1834, place unknown. Do any of the Wayne/Hardin Co. LINDSEY researchers have a possible match for this Elizabeth? Thanks, Dennis West in Knoxville, TN
Is anyone researching JORDON JOHNSON? Is the Susannah Johnson living in his household in 1860 Susannah Chandler who married Lewis Johnson in Wilkes County, North Carolina in 1789? I suspect Lewis Johnson died in Wayne County about 1837. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Carolyn Johnson [email protected]