In a message dated 2/13/00 2:51:18 PM EST, [email protected] writes: << Your Mom has that right about the pie crust made with lard - it is the very best and crunchie. Jan >> Hello Everyone, I have very much enjoyed all of the food preparation posts (although to our storyteller G. Lee Hearl...well...I think you need to give me the email address of one of your cousins to verify that your most entertaining molasses/popcorn story isn't from your repertoire <grin>) At the moment I am confused between which posts are on this list and which are on the ETN (Eastern Tennessee) list, where we have been discussing, in the exact same vein, the making of and traditions surrounding "souse", headcheese, etc. with many contributors and stories, etc. In fact, I was just looking at subject lines and thought they were all on the same list. With respect to lard, my mother always used/uses Crisco (in the can, white shortening), in baking,including chocolate chip cookies, etc. She was born and raised in SW MO..the OZARKS. Once she came to my house inVA and made an extra trip to the grocery when all I had was margarine in the house. I had quite frankly forgotten about Crisco even because in the last years of my schooling, she taught school, did avariety of other activities and rarely cooked from scratch. When she came I was reminded and now I certainly use it for all pie crusts, tartlets, many of the dryer cookies (ie, some shortbread types) etc. as well. Friends my age (ie, 50) who are from the Northeast come and ask me what the white Crisco can contains sometimes if they see me use it. That doesn't seem to happen from anyone from the south or midwest (I live in Alexandria VA...a nice southern town infiltrated by government employees!!) You definitely can still find lard at larger stores, and many ethnic stores, especially hispanic. It is the ONLY thing to make really, really good refried (black) beans with. And since you are probably going to use fat anyway...why not!! (I also have a perfectly fine way to make refried beans with out any fat that I use when I am on my best nutritional behavior). And re buttermilk (and I don't know if it was this list or ETN), but some were talking about how buttermilk also is about as familiar to most of us as...well hard tack (what is hard tackanyway?..a cracker?). My father (the aerospace engineer) who grewup in SW MO, but unlike my mother, was one generation away from a farm, loved buttermilk. He had a whole buttermilk, bread, sardine, fruit (figs in season) ritual for his Saturday lunch that we three kids all literally gagged at...one of our beloved family stories. FYI, I grew up in Long Beach CA amongst many midwest transplants. The lady who took care of me after school received all of my mother's fat drippings (saved in the empty Crisco can). In 1959, she made hand made soap out of them in suburban Long Beach!! Thanks for all of the information...I also have Foxfire books..if this was the list they were mentioned. At one period, definitely before kids, I dreamed of the simple life on the farm....until a Washington Post writer, who had done it for three years on a hill in New Hampshire, pointed out why the simple life was a condominium involving no ground care very close to one's place of employment, that did not require either machine maintenance skills or god-given rain to ensure an income. Janet Hunter

Hello Diane: I don't know whether I have spoken with you before or not. I am searching Smiths in Greene County, TN and Washington County, TN. for my grandmother's people. Her name was Mary Elizabeth Smith born 1873\74. Her kids carried her name of Smith. On the Weems side, we have a WEST. William Weems married Nancy Catherine Melone\Malone who was the daughter of a Malone and a WEST. I'll have to get my Greene County book out and look them up again. I have not looked into them as of yet. I should be interested in hearing about your Smiths and Wests. I have looked through all the Smiths in Greene and Washington County til I think I know them by heart. (of course I don't. I still get them mixed up unless I look at them again.) But any I can rule out helps me get that closer to which Smiths might be connected to my grandmother. I should be very happy to hear from you. linda [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [TNWASHIN] Lick Creek TN > THERE IS A LICK CREEK IN GREENE CO, TN - MY ANCESTORS LIVED THERE AND ON GAP > CREEK - RESEARCHING WEST & SMITH > > DIANE SMITH ([email protected]) > > sharon brown wrote: > > > I'm interested in knowing that too. My great-great-grandmother lived there. > > She was a Randolph. The whole familiy moved to So. Illinois. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jprince <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > > Date: Saturday, February 12, 2000 8:29 AM > > Subject: Re: [TNWASHIN] Lick Creek TN > > > > > > > >Thanks for the info. Was that ever a part of Maury Co, TN? > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Ron <[email protected]> > > >To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > > >Date: Saturday, February 12, 2000 9:21 AM > > >Subject: Re: [TNWASHIN] Lick Creek TN > > > > > > > > >>Hi, > > >>My info says Lick Creek is in Benton County. > > >>Ron > > >> > > >> > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: jprince <[email protected]> > > >>To: <[email protected]> > > >>Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 8:04 AM > > >>Subject: [TNWASHIN] Lick Creek TN > > >> > > >> > > >>> > > >>> Can anyone tell me where Lick Creek TN is located? > > >>> Thanks > > >>> Judy > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________ > NetZero - Defenders of the Free World > Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > >

Your Mom has that right about the pie crust made with lard - it is the very best and crunchie. Jan

Bob, Gosh, we're going to find we're practically the same family if we keep going. I'll forward this message to KYMONROE as no doubt there are a lot of folk out there looking for the families you have cited. My grandmother was Pearlie Ann Ford, d/o William Ford and Susan Ford (first cousins). My Fords were run out of Washington County, TN, after the family lost everything in a Tenn. Supreme Court challenge to Lloyd Ford's will, in which he left everything to his slaves. These facts are based on the research by the late Willie Dow Ford. Also, we're practically neighbors as I have lived off the Captial Beltway -- in Reston, and now Centreville -- since the late 1970s. I have just this week posted some info looking for Abraham in the Shenandoah. So long as I'm here in Edinburg, I ought to see what I can find Thanks, Jemima ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [KYMONROE] Fw: ZADOCK FORD--Ky. & Ark. > JEMIMA, > > Just an observation: One of the Roberts in Ill. named a son Zadoc. I believe > there was also an Erasmus Denton. > > I probably didn't tell you that I descend from Denton, Plumley, Moss as well > as Pennington. Uriah Pennington mar Mary Plumley, dau of William and > Elizabeth Moss Plumley. William's parents were John and Phoebe Denton > Plumley. > > I see you live in an area I do a little research in. The Dentons and > Plumleys were in > the Shenandoah Valley in the mid 1700's. Abraham Hestand of the Monroe, > Cumberland, Jackson counties line were also there. I also have some Wolfes > from another one of my lines who went to KY and IND. My Leathers family was > also nearby. Luke McManus, my grgrgr grandfather was in Berkeley Co Va, now > W Va in 1800. > > I live in Greenbelt, MD on the DC beltway. > > I suscribed to MONROE KY. > > Bob McManus >

Jean, Thank you. Do you know if there are index books for deeds, and tax lists? Wanda

Hi all, Is Oz really a town? I thought that was for fun? Jan

Dixie, You are right about the mincemeat - no sage in that!! no way - it was sort of sweet and used for pies, etc. Jan

Sure did like your 'cracker-jack' story G.Lee Hearl!! - Wish we could make it to the Barter Theatre - where is it in Tenn? Jan

Wanda, Here's all that was found for these two counties. Marriage Index: KY, NC, TN, VA, WV, 1728-1850 Hawkins County, TN: Littleton, Solomon Spouse : Williamson, Nancy Marriage date : Jan 6, 1831 Washington County, TN: None Jean Cuevas At 04:12 AM 2/13/00 -0700, you wrote: >Hi List, > >Could someone help me. I live in CO and have access to a couple of books at >the library near me on this county. Unfortunately they are not the ones >that I need. I would like to know if there are any Littleton's in >Washington or Hawkins County between 1790 and 1810 on either tax lists, >deeds, marriage records or any other document. I would appreciate any help. > >Thanks, >Wanda

Hi List, Could someone help me. I live in CO and have access to a couple of books at the library near me on this county. Unfortunately they are not the ones that I need. I would like to know if there are any Littleton's in Washington or Hawkins County between 1790 and 1810 on either tax lists, deeds, marriage records or any other document. I would appreciate any help. Thanks, Wanda

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Its just runny yogurt!! ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [TNWASHIN] Molasses Making Time > When I make cornbread, I still have to save some for my husband to break up > into a glass of buttermilk. (ugh!) > Mary Winn >

That is true - souse meat. I will be in Oz next month - my13th time. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 7:51 PM Subject: [TNWASHIN] Re: TNWASHIN-D Digest V00 #39 Hi, I think that there are 2 recipes, mixed up together...The hogs head was scraped and goodies were cooked with spices and it jelled and was called souse , headcheese and jelladina...Now, mincemeat was made with suet and beef and lemons and oranges and currants... Just wanted to put in my 2¢ worth... Dixie Lea in the Land of OZ...(*)

I agree, my father used to make souse or head cheese from the hog's head. My mother never liked it so would not eat it as did my brother; I on the other hand had to have most everything my father had so I ate it and told everyone that it was good.

Great story, Lee! G. Lee Hearl wrote: > > >> I am "only" 52 and I remember it well. It was a real social event. My > uncles would all play fiddles and guitars and sip on their homemade > "medicine". I remember the frsh pork loins the women would cook up. It > was > "good".<< > >>I'm guilty of calling it a churn stick alright. That's the part i was > allowed to do. Woould sure enjoy hearing some of those stories sometime<<. > > Short Story: > My Grandpa had seventeen children and he had to make a lot of molasses! > When one of my uncles was about ten years old, he liked to appear older > than his age, so one night when they were going to boil molasses.. he put > on a new suit grandma had made him and came out to where everybody had > gathered around the boiling pan...stood around the grown-ups, hands in his > pockets, trying to look important and older than his age.. > When the molassess was done, the pan was removed from the fire and placed > on a sloping place so the molasses could be dipped out.. Grandma had popped > a big dishpan full of popcorn and as soon as the last of the molasses had > been dipped out, she poured the popcorn into the remaining molasses to make > popcorn balls for the children...but..about that time...my uncle, who was > standing at the upper end of the pan, hands in pockets, leaning slightly > backward, looking "grown-up", stepped backward and fell into the molasses > pan..SLID HEAD-FIRST.. to the lower end..popcorn went everywhere.. and he > rolled over three or four times.. trying to get out of the still-hot pan! > When he finally got out, he was covered from head to foot with molasses and > popcorn! He ran and jumped in the creek which was almost cold as ice.. The > molasses hardened and stuck the popcorn all over him! luckily, he wasn't > burned and he grew up to be a pretty good feller'... Infact, he turned out > to be a real "Cracker Jack"!! > That is a TRUE story! > G. Lee Hearl...Authentic Appalachian Storyteller.. Abingdon, Va... > P.S. I will be appearing at the Barter Theatre in March and November this > year, Drop By!

>> I am "only" 52 and I remember it well. It was a real social event. My uncles would all play fiddles and guitars and sip on their homemade "medicine". I remember the frsh pork loins the women would cook up. It was "good".<< >>I'm guilty of calling it a churn stick alright. That's the part i was allowed to do. Woould sure enjoy hearing some of those stories sometime<<. Short Story: My Grandpa had seventeen children and he had to make a lot of molasses! When one of my uncles was about ten years old, he liked to appear older than his age, so one night when they were going to boil molasses.. he put on a new suit grandma had made him and came out to where everybody had gathered around the boiling pan...stood around the grown-ups, hands in his pockets, trying to look important and older than his age.. When the molassess was done, the pan was removed from the fire and placed on a sloping place so the molasses could be dipped out.. Grandma had popped a big dishpan full of popcorn and as soon as the last of the molasses had been dipped out, she poured the popcorn into the remaining molasses to make popcorn balls for the children...but..about that time...my uncle, who was standing at the upper end of the pan, hands in pockets, leaning slightly backward, looking "grown-up", stepped backward and fell into the molasses pan..SLID HEAD-FIRST.. to the lower end..popcorn went everywhere.. and he rolled over three or four times.. trying to get out of the still-hot pan! When he finally got out, he was covered from head to foot with molasses and popcorn! He ran and jumped in the creek which was almost cold as ice.. The molasses hardened and stuck the popcorn all over him! luckily, he wasn't burned and he grew up to be a pretty good feller'... Infact, he turned out to be a real "Cracker Jack"!! That is a TRUE story! G. Lee Hearl...Authentic Appalachian Storyteller.. Abingdon, Va... P.S. I will be appearing at the Barter Theatre in March and November this year, Drop By!

Can anyone out there tell me what the hours are for the Court house and the genealogy library in Washington Co. Also how far it is from Knoxville. Thank you Ann Oliver

Very true - and also on headstones. ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Awbrey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [TNWASHIN] Memorial phamplets at Funeral Homes > You can also find incorrect information on Birth Certificates, and Death > Certificates. When I sent for my son's birth certificate, I found it stated > that his father was born in Jasper, Wyoming. I had told the clerk, and had > stated Jasper, Oregon, but I guess someone decided that there wasn't a > Jasper in Oregon and change it to Wyoming. When I got my greatgrandmother's > death certificate who died in Oklahoma in 1938, it said her father's name > was Jim Chenewith. Her father's name was actually Hardin T. Chenoweth. He > had died before she was born, and she only remembered her stepfather who was > James Bates. So there's where the Jim came from. That threw me off for > several years, until I found probate records. So to cut to the chase -- > always look at records as helpful information, but not always correct > information. Kathy in Pleasant Hill, Oregon >