--part1_16.14f8bd3.25e6a2ae_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit . --part1_16.14f8bd3.25e6a2ae_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from rly-yc02.mx.aol.com (rly-yc02.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.34]) by air-yc05.mail.aol.com (v67_b1.24) with ESMTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:44:45 -0500 Received: from lists3.rootsweb.com (lists3.rootsweb.com [206.169.84.39]) by rly-yc02.mx.aol.com (v67_b1.24) with ESMTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:44:25 -0500 Received: (from [email protected]) by lists3.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA17143; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 06:44:18 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 06:44:18 -0800 From: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:43:45 EST Old-To: [email protected] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 Subject: [PITCOCK] John PITCOCK, Mary FISHER, THOMAS ? Resent-Message-ID: <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Resent-From: [email protected] X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/21 X-Loop: [email protected] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [email protected] Greetings, I am new to this list. My gggreat grandfather was Labron PITCOCK b. 1809 TN married to Elizabeth CHAPMAN. Labron's father was John PITCOCK married to Mary FISHER on Feb.15, 1791 in Berkeley County, VA. minister- Moses Hoge. I am looking for John PITCOCK's birth place and date. ANY info on his parents would be greatly appreciated. FOR THE RECORD. I have been quoted on rootsweb as saying that John's father is Stephen PITCOCK of Penn. I have never said this. I told a few fellow PITCOCK researchers I was trying to make a connection but NEVER could. I have read several places where PITCOCK researchers have found a connection from John to a Thomas PITCOCK of Penn. I would be VERY interested in knowing about this. I have been researching the book "History of THE PIDCOCK FAMILY and Association", the PIDCOCK genealogy, and also gone to Bucks Co. Penn. several times to see if I could work my way thru the opposite direction. Always willing to share ANY info I have with ANYONE. Would really like to make the connection with the PITCOCKS to the PIDCOCKS of Bucks Co. Penn. since it seems so apparent. Thank you in advance. Gary Pitcock (formerly from Monroe Co. KY) ==== PITCOCK Mailing List ==== Have a question, recommendation or comment about RootsWeb or this list, please direct same to the list moderator: Jim Young <[email protected]> Issues of general membership interest should be directed to the list: [email protected] ============================== Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi --part1_16.14f8bd3.25e6a2ae_boundary--

I am trying to get into contact with my cousin, Nancy O'Neil from Newport, Tenn. Her new email address keeps bouncing back. If anyone has her new email address, please send it to me. Thank you. She emailed me the other day and used the "reply" form, but still came back mailer unknown. Carolyn Whitaker

Did pitcock start a cockfight? :-) Seriously though, I haven't seen a single message coming through TNWASHIN-L all day. I missed it. :-( I wonder if my own post will come through... -Bev ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 24 February, 2000 12:25 PM > Greetings. I posted a PITCOCK/PIDCOCK query over a couple of hours ago on the > above three mailing lists. I can see I have opened up a "can of worms" and > the response to me has been incredible in such a short period. Upon further > thought, it appears it REALLY should be opened since SO MANY others than just > me are interested in my query. I am sorry I will be unable to answer all > emails. I think we should move all responses over to [email protected] > and not go thru TNWASHIN and KYMONROE newsgroups.

That's it, I'm sure. Maybe we can reconstruct all the lyrics. <grin> Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: G. Lee Hearl <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [TNWASHIN] Molasses &SoapMaking Time > Grandmas' Lye Soap.... > Well, have you heard about grandmas' lye soap? > Good for everything on the place, > The pots and pans and dirty dishes > And for your hands and for your face..." > > Is that it? > G. L. Hearl "The Grouch" > > ______________________________

Grandmas' Lye Soap.... Well, have you heard about grandmas' lye soap? Good for everything on the place, The pots and pans and dirty dishes And for your hands and for your face..." Is that it? G. L. Hearl "The Grouch"

Does anyone remember the song in the early 50's--"Grandma's Lye Soap"? Here's a line or so " Do you remember Grandma's Lye soap, Good for everything in the home, But the secret was in the scrubbing, It didn't suds, It didn't foam" Gail from NC

I don't have any Nelson's just WEST. Mary Helen

I have both Kindle and Crecelius in my family tree, but the datea for one Barbara doesn't fit right and the other m. a Joseph Harnmon Kindle in WA. CO. TN. She died in Harrison County, IN, does any of this fit into your family? MHS

Hi, I'm forwarding to the list. If anyone has any information on this family, please contact Sean directly. Thanks! Pat S. ----------- "Sean McAlister" <[email protected]> I am starting to do research on my grandfather's side of the family, the Browns. There are so many Browns in East Tennessee, in particular Washington County, I am having trouble trying to fill in the gaps. Do you know where I might start? Here is what I have so far: Descendants of Thomas Brown Generation No. 1 1. THOMAS BROWN was born 1820, and died 1881. He married RACHEL COOK. She was born 1830, and died 1875. Child of THOMAS BROWN and RACHEL COOK is: 2. i. RICHARD NELSON BROWN, b. July 07, 1869, Washington Co., TN; d. December 1942, Washington Co., TN. Generation No. 2 2. RICHARD NELSON BROWN was born July 07, 1869 in Washington Co., TN, and died December 1942 in Washington Co., TN. He married SARAH AMANDA BARRY, daughter of PETER BARRY and MARY STOUT. She was born 1872, and died 1943. Children of RICHARD BROWN and SARAH BARRY are: 3. i. WILLIAM ROY BROWN (my grandfather), b. April 18, 1909, Washington Co., TN; d. July 5, 1996, Washington Co., TN. ii. THOMAS BARRY BROWN. iii. DEWEY ALEXANDER BROWN, m. SALLY GAGE. 4. iv. IRENE BROWN. 5. v. MARY KETHERINE BROWN. 6. vi. ROBERT LEE BROWN. 7. vii. RUBY O. BROWN. 8. viii. LOIS J. BROWN. Generation No. 3 3. WILLIAM ROY BROWN was born April 18, 1909 in Washington Co., TN, and died July 05, 1996 in Washington Co., TN. He married MARY ESTER JONES June 21, 1941 in Washington Co., TN, daughter of OSCAR JONES and FINA LADY. She was born June 21, 1911 in Washington Co., TN. Children of WILLIAM BROWN and MARY JONES are: 9. i. PATSY DARLENE BROWN (my mother), b. May 11, 1945, Johnson City, TN. ii. SON BROWN, b. 1944; d. 1944. 10. iii. CHARLOTTE L. BROWN, b. 1946, Johnson City, TN. 11. iv. JANICE ESTER BROWN, b. 1948, Johnson City, TN. 4. IRENE BROWN. She married FRED MITCHELL FORD. Child of IRENE BROWN and FRED FORD is: i. HAROLD FORD. 5. MARY KETHERINE BROWN. She married BENJAMIN HARRISON JENKINS. Children of MARY BROWN and BENJAMIN JENKINS are: i. MARTHA JENKINS. ii. MARY JENKINS. 6. ROBERT LEE BROWN. He married VERNA FORD. Child of ROBERT BROWN and VERNA FORD is: i. TERESA BROWN. (was adoption, former last name was King) 7. RUBY O. BROWN. She married CECIL H. FITZGERALD. Children of RUBY BROWN and CECIL FITZGERALD are: i. ROBERT NELSON FITZGERALD. ii. DATA FITZGERALD. iii. WILLIAM DARREL FITZGERALD. iv. RICHARD DALE FITZGERALD. 8. LOIS J. BROWN. She married WILLIAM HENRY COPAS. Children of LOIS BROWN and WILLIAM COPAS are: i. SAMMY BROWN COPAS. ii. ELIZABETH COPAS, m. J. CHARLES WALKER. iii. AMANDA COPAS. iv. SHARON R. COPAS. Any information you can provide me or directions to point me in would be greatly appreciated. Sean McAlister Washington, D.C.

Hi Chuck. Did you get an answer to your query? Will you pass it on if you did, please. Thanks, Renea [email protected] TNGenWeb County Coordinator for Decatur Co, TN http://www.netease.net/decatur TNGenWeb County Coordinator for Perry Co, TN http://www.netease.net/perry Listowner Decatur, Henderson, Perry Cos, TN [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Sherrill <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 3:05 PM Subject: [TNWASHIN] Superior Court records of Washington District >To the List: > >Does anyone on the list have a handle on the Superior Court minute books of the Washington District? There are WPA transcriptions of four different "minute books" covering the year 1803 (and various years before and after). Each one is different. I'm trying to figure out why there are so many different record books, and what the differences between them are. > >I realize that the Equity cases were recorded separately, but that isn't the whole answer. If you have struggled with this and can help, I'd be grateful. > >Chuck Sherrill > > >Charles A. Sherrill >Director, Public Services >Tennessee State Library & Archives >403 7th Ave. North >Nashville, TN 37243-0312 >[email protected] > > >

May I add that I read somewhere that they tested the lye with a feather and if it ate the feather, it was strong enough. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: William Awbrey <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [TNWASHIN] Molasses &SoapMaking Time > Lye comes from running water through wood ashes. I have no idea how they > knew if the lye water was strong enough. My mom said that their soap was > made from pig fat, not beef tallow, due to the fact that all their cows were > milk cows. According to the soap information that I have, pig fat makes > soap harder, but it doesn't suds as well as beef fat. There are all kinds > of fancy soap recipes to be had on the internet, and lots of people really > like making and getting the hand made soaps. Kathy >

My grandmother used it on her hair. No wonder it was so straight!!! She kept her jet black hair until she died at 86. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Monday, February 21, 2000 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [TNWASHIN] Soap Making >According to the book "Housekeeping in Old Virginia" published in 1879, lye >was made from green wood ashes. >I can well remember when my mother used lye soap for laundry, baths and >shampoo and will testify to the fact that it was terrible stuff. >Grace Dotson > >

Hi Bill, Thanks. Sounds like a pretty location...."East Ridge". Jean At 12:49 PM 2/21/00 -0500, you wrote: > You're coming through in East Ridge Tennessee. > > > Regards, >Bill Orton

Hi All, The lye came from ashes from the wood fires!! Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [TNWASHIN] Molasses &SoapMaking Time > In a message dated 2/21/00 12:25:15 PM EST, [email protected] writes: > > << > The easiest soap I've made is from Crisco or some other brand of shortening. > 3 pounds of Crisco (1 can), 6 oz of lye (you can buy red devil lye in store > next to drano) 12 oz water. >> > > > Enjoyed it BUT...as the person who mentioned here soapmaking and Crisco > first(grin) with respect to my former babysitter, our ancestors got their > Crisco equivalent from fat drippings (right??)...where did the lye come from? > Actually, my I said my mother used Crisco for pie crusts and baking, my > caregiver used the fat drippings from whatever my mom had (stored in old > Crisco or Coffee cans) for soap. > > Janet (Baugh) Hunter >

Lye comes from running water through wood ashes. I have no idea how they knew if the lye water was strong enough. My mom said that their soap was made from pig fat, not beef tallow, due to the fact that all their cows were milk cows. According to the soap information that I have, pig fat makes soap harder, but it doesn't suds as well as beef fat. There are all kinds of fancy soap recipes to be had on the internet, and lots of people really like making and getting the hand made soaps. Kathy

Dear Fred, I have info on the Kindel and May marriage and family. I don't know if I have sent this info to you are not. Let me know and I will gladly share what I have. Also I am in Acampo, Calif. About 25 miles south of Sacramento. Barb [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Kindel <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [TNWASHIN] NELSON + Kindle/Crecelius > I have some info on George Kindle/Kendall d. 1795 Washington Co TN m. > Barbara Crecelius, their families & sources.. Glad to exchange and to > learn more about Kindel, Kindle, Kendall. Good luck and adios from Fred > in Folsom CA >

I used to save my bacon drippings for my mother to make lye soap from. It turned out real white and pretty. Couldn't smell the bacon........Carolyn

I have some info on George Kindle/Kendall d. 1795 Washington Co TN m. Barbara Crecelius, their families & sources.. Glad to exchange and to learn more about Kindel, Kindle, Kendall. Good luck and adios from Fred in Folsom CA

You're coming through in East Ridge Tennessee. Regards, Bill Orton

Thanks Jean, I looked at the information you sent but can't make a connection, although there probably is one. I have mainly concentrated on trying to learn where my Harrells, Herrells etc. who lived just over the mountain from Carter, Washington and Unicoi Counies, TN. came from.. This family was there in what became Mitchell co., N.C., in 1789 I'm sure, but I can't find where they came from.. I have learned that all the Harrells, Herrells, Harrolds etc. who moved west very early (1750-1850) were from either southeastern VA.-N.C. or Northern Va..Frederick-Augusta counties.. I don't know which area My Hugh Herrell (Harrold) came from but suspect he came from Northern Va.. The Harrells tended to move with the frontiers to all parts of the country and it seems a lot of them were people who were Wagon Makers, Stonemasons and probably Miners, who did not own much property.. Today many of them are teachers, seven children from one family in Mitchell county, N.C. graduated from Appalachian State at Boone, N.C... and I have found many others across the country.. In earlier times several were preachers beginning in southeastern, Va. and going into Arkansas and preaching and teaching in Indian Schools.. I have found this to be a very interesting family even if I haven't been able to make a lot of connections, but I keep searching, and hoping! Thanks Again, G. Lee Hearl (formerly Herrell, Herrall, Heral, Herald etc.)