In a message dated 11/04/2002 3:51:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > > Does anyone know how I can find the records for the cemetery named Mt. > Zion? > I think it is located in viola. > thanks, > Charlene > Charlene, There is a Mt. Zion Baptist Church Cemetery in my DeKalb County Cemetery Book.... Is there someone I can look up for you? Cheryl Davis-Holman [email protected] Researching....... Davis, Vogt/Fite, Duncan, Laurance, Scott of TN Wilson, Saylors/Sailus of Ireland/Scotland/GA Holman, Walter/s, Meador of Missouri/CA Crespo, Sanchez, Martinez, Garcia of Spain/CA

Joyce, Almetia, et al I, too, am a descendant of one of the Cunningham branches from Warren. I have some info, but need quite a bit more. It's been a while since I've done any researching on this line, having given the majority of my "spare" time to other surnames. If I recall correctly, Safely is also in my line. Will double check that later today. Have a doc appointment this morning. Would love to share info with all of you Cunninghams. Jenny in Texas

Almetia, I have done some research on the Thomas Cunningham family in connection with the Safley family. Would you please contact me off list so I can run what I have on his children by you? I like others have had some difficulty in determining who all of his children were. Joyce Hambleton Whitten [email protected] Administrator: [email protected]

The death date of Henry Randolph of Warren County, that I posted, was incorrect! Henry Randolph's family was shown living in Warren Co. in 1850 census, and Sarah was a widow in the 1840 and 1850 census records. Page 12A District 9 Hse# 136 Sarah Randolph-67-F-NC Selina Randolph-43-F-TN Mirah Randolph-24-F-TN Anderson Randolph-22-M-Carpenter-TN Patrick H. Randolph-20-M-Carriage Maker-TN Isaac Randolph-9-M-TN Thomas Randolph-18-M-Apprentice-TN _________________________________________________________________ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp

Jan, Go to www.rootsweb.com; scroll down the left column; click on Search Family Trees; type in Randolph, Anderson Bird; and see if you can contact the others who are working on this family. I think you will be delighted with what you find there. ;-) Nancy in MO

Fred, You did a good job! And though I don't know of any of my relatives being buried in either cemetery, the sites are sure to help someone out there. So, on behalf of them, I say, Thanks Fred! Nancy in MO

Angie, I never considered myself an authority on anything, especially those elusive Cunninghams. There were at least three different sets in the Warren County area. And of course everyone had a John,Thomas,George,Sarah,Elizabeth,etc. Some researchers that have worked on those families have gotten them so mixed up, that unless you know your line you are in a mixed up mess. The line that I have researched the most is John And Kiziah Cunningham.I have a list of his children from his settlement and I have them all intact. Then there is John Cunningham that married Sarah Swindell and his children. I have them all researched, However the two Johns are not connected. I have proof of that, but I have had a hard time convincing some of that. Then there was a Thomas Cunningham, also settled in Warren Co. and had a large family. I think that is probably the one you are looking for. They settled around the Shellsford area of the county. Good luck! Almetia

Fred your are getting close, but did not go far enough down the road. Check on your map and notice a building close to the side of the road.(Old Philadelphia Church) If you can locate that then follow the winding road from in front of the building and you'll come to the cemetery. There is a white house on past the cemetery. Your map may show it kinda in line with the old church. Hope this gets it. Almetia

Hey that's really cool. Thank you. Can you do that with any map or just certain ones? I have never seen the area from above, it looks very different. I knew, after seeing the other emails which was which, but it still looks so different. Sheila -----Original Message----- From: Fred Smoot [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 5:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TNWARREN] Old Philadelphia Cemetery ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bikerangell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 1:56 PM Subject: RE: [TNWARREN] Old Philadelphia Cemetery : Fred, : No offense, but I can't see a cemetery at all. Where exactly in the picture : are you looking at? Air shots are sooo different. I have been to Old Phil. : many many times and it doesn't look real familiar. Can you magnify the area : you are looking at maybe? : Sheila : PS Vervilla is the town. Also in Vervilla, right down the road from Old : Phil. is Bascom Cemetery. Alot of my relatives are buried there. : OK, here is the same graphic but with text. http://www.tngenweb.org/warren/cemeteries/old-philly-2.jpg Yes aerial photos are different from the ground view. Still, that is the way we look at maps. I reckon that the loop road could be a circular drive around the cemetery, but my view from California is not too sharp. <g> This the best enlargement that I can get from this website: http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/ I noticed today that the site has an option for topo maps too. Here is another website that has topo maps: http://www.topozone.com/ Fred Smoot ==== TNWARREN Mailing List ==== This TNWARREN mailing list is provided by RootsWeb. It is the joint mailing list of the Warren County Genealogical Association and Warren County TNGenWeb Project. No commercial activities are allowed on this list. Please see full list rules here: http://www.tngenweb.org/warren/tnwarren.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Sorry I messed up the subject, Guess I will have to get me one of those books. Charlene

Have no idea, I am sorry. Charlene

I wish I could help you, but I have only questions. My gr gr grandfather was named Anderson Bird Randolph. He was b. ca. 1797 in Tn. He lived with his parents, William and Nancy Pearl Reed Randolph in parts of Tn., lastly Bledsoe Co. until they moved to Saline Co. Il. in the mid 1840's. I've always thought that there was a connection to either the Anderson or Bird/Byrd families but have not been able to find it. I have yet to find out who were the parents of William Randolph. I do believe that at one time they lived in Warren Co. Tn. If you think there might be a connection, please let me know. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Randolph" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:06 PM Subject: [TNWARREN] Henry or Anderson Randolph > I am looking for any kind of records of either Henry Randolph, who died > in McMinnville on July 27, 1836, and is buried in the Liberty Cemetery, > or his son, Anderson Randolph, who was born in McMinnville on February > 26, 1826 and died there on January 11, 1889, and is also buried in the > Liberty Cemetery. Any records as to purchases and sales of real estate > would be helpful. Thanks. > > > ==== TNWARREN Mailing List ==== > This TNWARREN mailing list is provided by RootsWeb. > It is the joint mailing list of the Warren County Genealogical > Association and Warren County TNGenWeb Project. > No commercial activities are allowed on this list. > Please see full list rules here: > http://www.tngenweb.org/warren/tnwarren.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Does anyone know how I can find the records for the cemetery named Mt. Zion? I think it is located in viola. thanks, Charlene

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [TNWARREN] Old Philadelphia Cemetery : Does anyone know how I can find the records for the cemetery named Mt. Zion? : I think it is located in viola. : thanks, : Charlene Greetings, First, please notice that I changed the subject line from Old Philadelphia Cemetery to Mt Zion in Viola since the query had nothing to do with the Old Philadelphia Cemetery . Cemetery Book 3 locates this cemetery: "Mt Zion Cemetery near Viola, at Mt. Zion Methodist Church." There a number of pages in the book covering Mt Zion burials. Fred Smoot

This is Old Phil. -----Original Message----- From: Fred Smoot [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 2:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TNWARREN] Location ----- Original Message ----- From: "Almetia Cunningham" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:21 AM Subject: [TNWARREN] Location : : Good morning Fred, : : No, the picture you have does not include Old Philadelphia cemetery. What : you have is the Bascum area. What you have circled would be the Bascum : cemetery spot. Looking at the bottom of your picture, you need to go down : about one half mile. Let me know if this helps. : : Almetia : Almetia et al, OK, lets move south a wee bit. Here is my second attempt. http://www.tngenweb.org/warren/cemeteries/old-philly-1.jpg There is a another loop that could be a cemetery. Is that Old Philadelphia? There is a reason for trying to exactly locate the Warren Cemeteries. Visitors looking for a certain cemetery in Warren County simply may not find it. Back in the early 1980s, I had told an uncle that his grandmother (Matilda [Anderson] Smoot) was buried in Old Philadelphia (or so it was reported in a book). On vacation, he visited Old Philadelphia but could not find the headstone. Why? Well, he was looking in the wrong place. He went to Bascom Cemetery (Vervilla at Bascom Methodist Church). In the early 1990s on my first visit to Tennessee, I visited Old Philadelphia. I was able to get Almetia Cunningham and my cousin Myra "Lib" Chastain to tour guide me through Warren. Almetia took us to Old Philadelphia and there was Matilda's headstone. It occurred to me that finding the right obscure old burying ground could be difficult for tourists. Even the directions in the four cemetery books may not prove sufficient. I am sure that Almetia Cunningham, Martha Holt, and Betty Majors could find the cemeteries again, but what would happen if someone looks for the locations say fifty years from now? Who will be the tour guide? Sure, the large active cemeteries will be easily findable, but what about the little obscure cemeteries? Even the USGS 7.5 series maps do not identify all the old cemeteries. They even contain small errors (usually spelling, i.e "Higgenbottom" when it should be "Higginbotham"). Last year, Betty Majors gave me permission to use the cemetery lists and locations from the books to create a cemetery locator of sorts. Once I am *sure* of the exact location of a cemetery, I can create a map using clips from USGS 7.5 series maps and also include the Latitude/Longitude (Degrees, minutes, seconds). We have started a Cemetery Locator page (under construction of course). Ladye Jane Hunter is working on the project with me and she is preparing some pages as I write. Here is the start of our project: http://www.tngenweb.org/warren/cemeteries/ If any of you have a Warren cemetery that is in need of locating, just post to the list. I will put it to the top of my "to do" list. Please be aware that we have no intention to include the gravestone readings and annotations from the books, those items are under copyright. Additionally, I am aware of the vast amount of work done by Almetia, Martha, and Betty, the miseries Betty encountered dealing with ruthless publishers, and the total lack of profit they receive from the books. I doubt they even received enough to pay for their first month gasoline bills while doing the readings. The book information is on the WCGA Book Mart page. http://www.usgennet.org/usa/tn/county/warren/bookmart.html Fred Smoot ==== TNWARREN Mailing List ==== This TNWARREN mailing list is provided by RootsWeb. It is the joint mailing list of the Warren County Genealogical Association and Warren County TNGenWeb Project. No commercial activities are allowed on this list. Please see full list rules here: http://www.tngenweb.org/warren/tnwarren.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Fred, No offense, but I can't see a cemetery at all. Where exactly in the picture are you looking at? Air shots are sooo different. I have been to Old Phil. many many times and it doesn't look real familiar. Can you magnify the area you are looking at maybe? Sheila PS Vervilla is the town. Also in Vervilla, right down the road from Old Phil. is Bascom Cemetery. Alot of my relatives are buried there. -----Original Message----- From: Fred Smoot [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 8:21 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [TNWARREN] Old Philadelphia Cemetery Greetings, I am trying to exactly place Warren County's cemeteries. The first problem one on my list is Old Philadelphia Cemetery (also called Vervilla). I believe that the image (URL below) is that of Old Philadelphia taken from the air. http://www.tngenweb.org/warren/cemeteries/old-philly.jpg I have been there however finding it from air is a different story. Is the image of Old Philadelphia? Fred Smoot In CA -- The closer you look, the farther you see. (Cavagnaro's Axiom) ==== TNWARREN Mailing List ==== This TNWARREN mailing list is provided by RootsWeb. It is the joint mailing list of the Warren County Genealogical Association and Warren County TNGenWeb Project. No commercial activities are allowed on this list. Please see full list rules here: http://www.tngenweb.org/warren/tnwarren.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bikerangell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 1:56 PM Subject: RE: [TNWARREN] Old Philadelphia Cemetery : Fred, : No offense, but I can't see a cemetery at all. Where exactly in the picture : are you looking at? Air shots are sooo different. I have been to Old Phil. : many many times and it doesn't look real familiar. Can you magnify the area : you are looking at maybe? : Sheila : PS Vervilla is the town. Also in Vervilla, right down the road from Old : Phil. is Bascom Cemetery. Alot of my relatives are buried there. : OK, here is the same graphic but with text. http://www.tngenweb.org/warren/cemeteries/old-philly-2.jpg Yes aerial photos are different from the ground view. Still, that is the way we look at maps. I reckon that the loop road could be a circular drive around the cemetery, but my view from California is not too sharp. <g> This the best enlargement that I can get from this website: http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/ I noticed today that the site has an option for topo maps too. Here is another website that has topo maps: http://www.topozone.com/ Fred Smoot

----- Original Message ----- From: "Almetia Cunningham" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:21 AM Subject: [TNWARREN] Location : : Good morning Fred, : : No, the picture you have does not include Old Philadelphia cemetery. What : you have is the Bascum area. What you have circled would be the Bascum : cemetery spot. Looking at the bottom of your picture, you need to go down : about one half mile. Let me know if this helps. : : Almetia : Almetia et al, OK, lets move south a wee bit. Here is my second attempt. http://www.tngenweb.org/warren/cemeteries/old-philly-1.jpg There is a another loop that could be a cemetery. Is that Old Philadelphia? There is a reason for trying to exactly locate the Warren Cemeteries. Visitors looking for a certain cemetery in Warren County simply may not find it. Back in the early 1980s, I had told an uncle that his grandmother (Matilda [Anderson] Smoot) was buried in Old Philadelphia (or so it was reported in a book). On vacation, he visited Old Philadelphia but could not find the headstone. Why? Well, he was looking in the wrong place. He went to Bascom Cemetery (Vervilla at Bascom Methodist Church). In the early 1990s on my first visit to Tennessee, I visited Old Philadelphia. I was able to get Almetia Cunningham and my cousin Myra "Lib" Chastain to tour guide me through Warren. Almetia took us to Old Philadelphia and there was Matilda's headstone. It occurred to me that finding the right obscure old burying ground could be difficult for tourists. Even the directions in the four cemetery books may not prove sufficient. I am sure that Almetia Cunningham, Martha Holt, and Betty Majors could find the cemeteries again, but what would happen if someone looks for the locations say fifty years from now? Who will be the tour guide? Sure, the large active cemeteries will be easily findable, but what about the little obscure cemeteries? Even the USGS 7.5 series maps do not identify all the old cemeteries. They even contain small errors (usually spelling, i.e "Higgenbottom" when it should be "Higginbotham"). Last year, Betty Majors gave me permission to use the cemetery lists and locations from the books to create a cemetery locator of sorts. Once I am *sure* of the exact location of a cemetery, I can create a map using clips from USGS 7.5 series maps and also include the Latitude/Longitude (Degrees, minutes, seconds). We have started a Cemetery Locator page (under construction of course). Ladye Jane Hunter is working on the project with me and she is preparing some pages as I write. Here is the start of our project: http://www.tngenweb.org/warren/cemeteries/ If any of you have a Warren cemetery that is in need of locating, just post to the list. I will put it to the top of my "to do" list. Please be aware that we have no intention to include the gravestone readings and annotations from the books, those items are under copyright. Additionally, I am aware of the vast amount of work done by Almetia, Martha, and Betty, the miseries Betty encountered dealing with ruthless publishers, and the total lack of profit they receive from the books. I doubt they even received enough to pay for their first month gasoline bills while doing the readings. The book information is on the WCGA Book Mart page. http://www.usgennet.org/usa/tn/county/warren/bookmart.html Fred Smoot

I have this information on Henry Randolph and his family who lived in Warren Co. Tenn. HENRY RANDOLPH Of Greene County, TN. Born Jan. 4, 1786 (from Family Bible). Married Sarah Pogue (reportedly in 1804), born Feb. 21, 1784 and died Nov. 3, 1866; buried Union Cemetery. In 1808 Henry bought 30 acres on the south side of Lick Creek in Green County, but sold it in August 1810 to William Skaggs. Children: A Selina Randolph b. Feb 1805 B John Henry Randolph b. April 1807 mar. Jane Strickland Gill and Margaret Webb C Elizabeth Randolph b. October 1808 in TN, mar. John Royall D Elvira Elizabeth Randolph b. Feb. 28, 1812 in TN mar. Creed S. Engledow, Sr.(c. Creed, Jr. and Sarah Payne) D Young W. Randolph b.March 1813 in TN: Warren Co., mar Mary E. Lester, Mersy Gibbs, Jane Welch; d. 1891 in Texas E. Madison Howell Randolph b. May 1814 TN:WarrenCo., mar. Mary Lesley F Wiley Chester Randolph, Sr. b. Feb. 1819 in TN:WarrenCo., mar. Margaret C. Stiles Owen, Mary Biles, Julia M. Stiles (all prob. in TN--maybe Warren Co.) G Emeline Amanda Randolph b. Dec. 1822 Warren Co. TN, mar. James Pybass January 1839 in TN: Rutherford Co., d. Aug. 1906 in TN: Hardeman Co.,Bolivar H Miriam Randolph b. May 1824 in TN: Warren Co., mar. Chas. W. Smith Aug. 1874 in TN: Warren, McMinnville I. Anderson Randolph b. Feb. 1826 TN, mar. Mary Ann Stiles June 1856 in TN:WarrenCo., d Jan. 1889 TN:WarrenCo J. Patrick Henry Randolph b. Oct. 1829 in TN: WarrenCo. mar Phoebe Stone Logan November 1857 in TN:Warren Co. _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp

Good morning Fred, No, the picture you have does not include Old Philadelphia cemetery. What you have is the Bascum area. What you have circled would be the Bascum cemetery spot. Looking at the bottom of your picture, you need to go down about one half mile. Let me know if this helps. Almetia