Chip thank you for the #, I will tell you why later at this point we are trying to secure the house, prepare for the hurricane. Floyd is larger than Andrew & Hugo. Most of our married life we have lived coastal, but we are in the Orlando area now and the storm is 600 miles in diameter with wind from 150 to 190, no house here can stand those winds. Possibility if it will just go a little to the West and North we could probably handle that. We have been through a lot of hurricanes, one was Donna. We both work and I have to go in in the morning (unless things change sooner) and help finish moving the files to the top drawers because we know our floor at work gets wet in plain old rain. We will leave for GA if Floyd stays on the path he is on now. It would be stupid to stay. If we are able to stay or feel it is alright to stay we will be without power, that goes out on sunny days. If all my papers get wet will all of you help me find some of this stuff again <G>. Will t! alk to you after the storm, I hope. Ann P.