It was below Maryville and I believe is near the mounds in Blount County. If it's where I'm thinking of it was a Cherokee village before the Trail of Tears. I was told it was called that because of the streams that flowed together near the village. Chip

Has anyone ever heard of Five Fingers Tennessee? I was told that it was in East Tennessee and belonged to the Cherokee... Rae Smith http://www.angelfire.com/de/LawDog/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/tn/sexton/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/tn/sexton/Lay.html

Re Milan Cemetery: the following are listed in Footprints: White,Pernia C. 18Jan1859/16Mar1950 White,Calvin B. 12Aug1861/Sept.1927 White,Charlie Fulton 23Apr1885/8Aug1961 White,Sarah M. Corum 5Apr1894/21July1975 Morom01@aol.com wrote: > I got an e-mail from a friend who is in special need of help. I promised not > to divulge why this is urgent but I am trying to lend a hand. If any of you > can help me help this person let me know. She has done good research and is > not just someone wanting our free help. She has hit a block wall and needs > some help. Anything you can tell us about the families named in the message > below would be great. Just send your e-mails to me and I will pass them along > to this person. > Thanks, > Chip > > Message: > > I have ALL but my grandfather's lines back to mid 1700's, some 1500's and > pretty well documented. Now the situation is this....there appears to have > been some illegitimacy on one of his parents. NO ONE in my family will tell > me anything. I couldn't care less, neither could my adult children whom I am > doing this for. Also, he had quite a bit of Indian blood, Cherokee, not as > much as me. My father was a full blood but mixed tribes. This grandfather is > my Mother's father. I have been to East TN Historical society, I TRIED to > purchase the Union County Books, but the first was out of print. I was told > his family was talked about in there. > > What I know is this: > Calvin Burton White, son of Nancy or Mary White, born 1861 in Union County. > He died ABOUT in the 1930's. He was married in the early 1800's to Pernina > Clementine Lovel, who was born on the Union-Grainger county lines, IN > Grainger county in 1859. Their children included my Grandfather, Charles > Fulton White. I have all his siblings and most descendants. I found Calvin > and Pernina on the 1900 census, I found who I think was Calvin living with a > Nancy White of a good age to be his sister, and with a Mary, who may have > been his mother, in 1870 census. The family rumor is that they were of the > WHITE family out of VA, but I have doubts about that. It MAY be. There was > one who came from NC named Nancy with a son of the appropriate age to be > Calvin. Anyway, what I want to know is... > > Is there any specific info about this family that you know of? Could you > suggest anything? I have been in contact with beaucoup WHITE researchers with > family in that area and they all say they have never heard these names. I > KNOW they were there. > I KNEW them. > They are buried at Milan Chapel. At least Pernina is. After Calvin died, she > lived with her daughter and her husband, Pleasant and Lou Vainey Monday in > Union Co. Now, if I have breached all bounds of propriety, please forgive me, > toss this away, but PLEASE wish me luck. It is galling to me to know so > little about the family of a man I loved so much.I also am unable to tie > Pernina to a specific Lovel in Grainger Co. I do NOT understand why.....I did > so well with the rest. > > ==== TNUNION Mailing List ==== > If you live in Union County why not pitch in. Take a day and write down the tombstones in the nearest cemetery. Send it to us for others to use. You could be helping a cousin. Go to the courthouse and copy some early marriage records. Anything helps.

Chip, Think about this...we have had Lovell's in Knox Co forever. Lovel Road in W. Knoxville and many named Lovell/Lovel etc. I know White's but do not know the ones mentioned. I am reading the 1850, 1860, 1900 Knox Co TN Census over and over. Have found many of the Weaver's in Knox Co. Did Calvin Burton White ever live in Knox Co? If so I will watch for him. Ann -----Original Message----- From: Morom01@aol.com <Morom01@aol.com> To: TNUNION-L@rootsweb.com <TNUNION-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, July 22, 1999 8:34 PM Subject: A plea from Chip (White, Lovel) >I got an e-mail from a friend who is in special need of help. I promised not >to divulge why this is urgent but I am trying to lend a hand. If any of you >can help me help this person let me know. She has done good research and is >not just someone wanting our free help. She has hit a block wall and needs >some help. Anything you can tell us about the families named in the message >below would be great. Just send your e-mails to me and I will pass them along >to this person. >Thanks, >Chip > >Message: > >I have ALL but my grandfather's lines back to mid 1700's, some 1500's and >pretty well documented. Now the situation is this....there appears to have >been some illegitimacy on one of his parents. NO ONE in my family will tell >me anything. I couldn't care less, neither could my adult children whom I am >doing this for. Also, he had quite a bit of Indian blood, Cherokee, not as >much as me. My father was a full blood but mixed tribes. This grandfather is >my Mother's father. I have been to East TN Historical society, I TRIED to >purchase the Union County Books, but the first was out of print. I was told >his family was talked about in there. > >What I know is this: >Calvin Burton White, son of Nancy or Mary White, born 1861 in Union County. >He died ABOUT in the 1930's. He was married in the early 1800's to Pernina >Clementine Lovel, who was born on the Union-Grainger county lines, IN >Grainger county in 1859. Their children included my Grandfather, Charles >Fulton White. I have all his siblings and most descendants. I found Calvin >and Pernina on the 1900 census, I found who I think was Calvin living with a >Nancy White of a good age to be his sister, and with a Mary, who may have >been his mother, in 1870 census. The family rumor is that they were of the >WHITE family out of VA, but I have doubts about that. It MAY be. There was >one who came from NC named Nancy with a son of the appropriate age to be >Calvin. Anyway, what I want to know is... > >Is there any specific info about this family that you know of? Could you >suggest anything? I have been in contact with beaucoup WHITE researchers with >family in that area and they all say they have never heard these names. I >KNOW they were there. >I KNEW them. >They are buried at Milan Chapel. At least Pernina is. After Calvin died, she >lived with her daughter and her husband, Pleasant and Lou Vainey Monday in >Union Co. Now, if I have breached all bounds of propriety, please forgive me, >toss this away, but PLEASE wish me luck. It is galling to me to know so >little about the family of a man I loved so much.I also am unable to tie >Pernina to a specific Lovel in Grainger Co. I do NOT understand why.....I did >so well with the rest. > > >==== TNUNION Mailing List ==== >If you live in Union County why not pitch in. Take a day and write down the tombstones in the nearest cemetery. Send it to us for others to use. You could be helping a cousin. Go to the courthouse and copy some early marriage records. Anything helps. > >

Chip, I have one LOVELL that I know of in my line. Nancy LOVELL who married Caswell SHARP. He was born about 1813. Nina

I got an e-mail from a friend who is in special need of help. I promised not to divulge why this is urgent but I am trying to lend a hand. If any of you can help me help this person let me know. She has done good research and is not just someone wanting our free help. She has hit a block wall and needs some help. Anything you can tell us about the families named in the message below would be great. Just send your e-mails to me and I will pass them along to this person. Thanks, Chip Message: I have ALL but my grandfather's lines back to mid 1700's, some 1500's and pretty well documented. Now the situation is this....there appears to have been some illegitimacy on one of his parents. NO ONE in my family will tell me anything. I couldn't care less, neither could my adult children whom I am doing this for. Also, he had quite a bit of Indian blood, Cherokee, not as much as me. My father was a full blood but mixed tribes. This grandfather is my Mother's father. I have been to East TN Historical society, I TRIED to purchase the Union County Books, but the first was out of print. I was told his family was talked about in there. What I know is this: Calvin Burton White, son of Nancy or Mary White, born 1861 in Union County. He died ABOUT in the 1930's. He was married in the early 1800's to Pernina Clementine Lovel, who was born on the Union-Grainger county lines, IN Grainger county in 1859. Their children included my Grandfather, Charles Fulton White. I have all his siblings and most descendants. I found Calvin and Pernina on the 1900 census, I found who I think was Calvin living with a Nancy White of a good age to be his sister, and with a Mary, who may have been his mother, in 1870 census. The family rumor is that they were of the WHITE family out of VA, but I have doubts about that. It MAY be. There was one who came from NC named Nancy with a son of the appropriate age to be Calvin. Anyway, what I want to know is... Is there any specific info about this family that you know of? Could you suggest anything? I have been in contact with beaucoup WHITE researchers with family in that area and they all say they have never heard these names. I KNOW they were there. I KNEW them. They are buried at Milan Chapel. At least Pernina is. After Calvin died, she lived with her daughter and her husband, Pleasant and Lou Vainey Monday in Union Co. Now, if I have breached all bounds of propriety, please forgive me, toss this away, but PLEASE wish me luck. It is galling to me to know so little about the family of a man I loved so much.I also am unable to tie Pernina to a specific Lovel in Grainger Co. I do NOT understand why.....I did so well with the rest.

Does anyone know where Big Barren Cemetery and Davis Creek Church are located? I appreciate any help. Also if you haven't been to The Roy Acuff Museum and Library in Union Co,I strongly reccommend it,they have such helpful people there,I really learned a lot about my Yadon's in 4 hrs. They are opened Sunday 1:00P.M. to 5:00PM and Monday and Tuesday 10;00--4:00. Fran

In a message dated 7/21/99 6:56:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jrmurphy@icx.net writes: << Does anyone know where Big Barren Cemetery and Davis Creek Church are located? I appreciate any help. >> Big Barren Cemetery is located about a mile south of highway 33 on Little Valley Road, just north of the Maynardville city limits. The only Davis Creek Church that I know of is located in Claiborne County. Chip Union County TnGenWeb

Looking for the children of Irene Hunley Satterfield and ? Satterfield. Three children were born to this couple and Irene married a Thompson after ? Satterfield. Irene Hunley died young leaving the three to be raised by her husband, ? Thompson. Children's names: Alton Satterfield Marvin Satterfield Maizine Satterfield All would be in their 50's or 60's. Thanks! Carol

A new message, "Help, I'm stuck!!," was posted by Melissa Hatter on Sun, 18 Jul 1999 Surname: Ellison --- NAME: Melissa Hatter EMAIL: levihatter@email.msn.com Surname: Ellison DATE: Jul 18 1999 LINK: URL: QRYTEXT: OK I'm stuck and I need help. You see when I began this search of my family lineage I began using at hand written copy of our family tree by my father's cousin. This family tree reported that Robert Ellison from South Carolina b. 1755 - c. 1798 was married to a Mary. This I have verified. However my tree says they had three sons. James b. 1778 Berry b. 1780 and Robert. And I have a whole lineage for that Berry however I was recently told that There was no Berry borned 1780 and as I look through my paper work I can see where his "lineage" should have been placed under James b. 1778 son Robert b. 1805 - 1868. My question is this? Did James of 1778 have brothers or sisters? If so who were they? Thanks to all the People from Union County that help me answer this question. Melissa :-).

Thanks to everyone who responded to my SNODDERLY request. You gave me exactly what I needed to know. Peace and thanks again, Nina MORTON T.

KAT3946429@aol.com wrote: > In the 1870 Union County census, there is a listing for the following: > > Rice SNODDERLY, 38, M/W, born in TN, Farmer > Lucy, age 35, F/W, born in TN and keeping house > Nelley, age 14 > Pheeba, age 13 > Elizabeth, age 11 > Rachael, age 8 > Alvis, age 6 > Milton T., age 4 > Twins: Luis (male) and Luisey (female), age 1 > > My question is whether this is the same as Henry Rice Snodderly, born April > 19, 1832 and died February 12, 1891 married to Lucy Irwin, born January 30, > 1836 and died July 13, 1879? The reason I ask is because I show one > daughter, Matilda Snodderly, born October 23, 1860, who is not shown above, > but would be 10 years old. Perhaps Elizabeth was Elizabeth Matilda? (I know > Matilda was buried in Lost Creek Cemetery, but this census record would give > me additional children if it's the right family.) Thanks for any and all > help. Nina MORTON T This is the family whom you suspect it is. Elizabeth and Matilda were NOT the same persons. The reason Matilda was not shown in 1870 was because she died 1 Aug 1861! There were a total of 13 children by Lucy Irwin and 5 by Henry Rice's second wife Mary Love Petree. -- Terry L. Hutchison - "In order to understand ancestors one must first understand HISTORY! Genealogy is more than the gathering of names and numbers!"

Wondering if anyone has information on Arminda Seymour, born 4/30/1859 died 11/17/1941 and is buried in the Luttrell Cemetery. Her children were: Lon Seymour, George Seymour, Adolphus Seymour and possibly some daughters. It is possible that Arminda was the daughter of Franklin Seymour. Thank you, Carol Seymour Parsons

In the 1870 Union County census, there is a listing for the following: Rice SNODDERLY, 38, M/W, born in TN, Farmer Lucy, age 35, F/W, born in TN and keeping house Nelley, age 14 Pheeba, age 13 Elizabeth, age 11 Rachael, age 8 Alvis, age 6 Milton T., age 4 Twins: Luis (male) and Luisey (female), age 1 My question is whether this is the same as Henry Rice Snodderly, born April 19, 1832 and died February 12, 1891 married to Lucy Irwin, born January 30, 1836 and died July 13, 1879? The reason I ask is because I show one daughter, Matilda Snodderly, born October 23, 1860, who is not shown above, but would be 10 years old. Perhaps Elizabeth was Elizabeth Matilda? (I know Matilda was buried in Lost Creek Cemetery, but this census record would give me additional children if it's the right family.) Thanks for any and all help. Nina MORTON T

A new message, "McCuans," was posted by Jennie Mueller on Fri, 16 Jul 1999 Surname: Issac McCuan, Sally Wilson --- NAME: Jennie Mueller EMAIL: jmueller@popd.ipa.net Surname: Issac McCuan, Sally Wilson DATE: Jul 16 1999 LINK: URL: http:// QRYTEXT: I am looking for any McCuans from Union County that may have information on Issac McCuan. I am trying also to find out information about his wife Sally Ann Wilson

Town is in Anderson County, North of Oliver Springs, check it out on YAHOO, maps. -----Original Message----- From: Morom01@aol.com [SMTP:Morom01@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 3:27 PM To: TNUNION-L@rootsweb.com Subject: New Union Query (Tuppertown) A new message, "Tuppertown Location," was posted by Sheila Rodrigue on Tue, 13 Jul 1999 It is a response to "McBee," posted by Betty Burr on Mon, 12 Jul 1999 Surname: McBee --- NAME: Sheila Rodrigue EMAIL: SARodrigue@prodigy.net Surname: McBee DATE: Jul 13 1999 LINK: URL: http:// QRYTEXT: To find the location of Tuppertown, you might try this site: http://mapping.usgs.gov/ Click on Geographic Names Information. On the second half of this page find the query section and click on United States and Territories. This will bring you to the page when you can search for all kinds of things such as towns, rivers, streams, churches, schools to name a few. The query site was down today, so I couldn't do a search for Tuppertown. But it's a great site for locating a place. I've used it to find a valley where one of my families lived that was flooded when a dam was built, rivers and streams listed on land records, and a post office listed on a pension application.. ==== TNUNION Mailing List ==== If you live in Union County why not pitch in. Take a day and write down the tombstones in the nearest cemetery. Send it to us for others to use. You could be helping a cousin. Go to the courthouse and copy some early marriage records. Anything helps.

Thanks Kevin, you told it like it is. George Simmons -----Original Message----- From: KMull [SMTP:kevmulln@knoxnews.infi.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 8:54 AM To: TNUNION-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Knoxville newspapers Bill Hunter wrote; > I think the other Knoxville Paper was the Journal. It was the conservative > paper, thus was struck into oblivion by the unions. As a member of the Newspaper Mailer's Union Local # 83, and as an employee of the News Sentinel, and former employee of the Journal (which both operated in the same facilities under a joint agreement), I just wanted to say that Unions had nothing to do with the closing of the Knoxville Journal. Big business killed the Journal. The closing of the Journal caused temporary layoffs for many Union (and non-Union) employees. Please don't confuse political beliefs with reality. Sorry for being off-topic. Thanks, Kevin Mullins Surnames in Union Co; KELLER, TURNER, TUCKER, DEES, ZEAK/ZICK, SHARP P.S. Most of my fellow co-workers preferred the Journal to the News-Sentinel. ==== TNUNION Mailing List ==== If you live in Union County why not pitch in. Take a day and write down the tombstones in the nearest cemetery. Send it to us for others to use. You could be helping a cousin. Go to the courthouse and copy some early marriage records. Anything helps.

A new message, "Mcbee," was posted by Betty Burr on Tue, 13 Jul 1999 It is a response to "Tuppertown Location," posted by Sheila Rodrigue on Tue, 13 Jul 1999 Surname: --- NAME: Betty Burr EMAIL: keeta@swko.net Surname: DATE: Jul 13 1999 LINK: URL: http:// QRYTEXT: Thank you Sheila, I will try the site. Betty.

A new message, "Tuppertown Location," was posted by Sheila Rodrigue on Tue, 13 Jul 1999 It is a response to "McBee," posted by Betty Burr on Mon, 12 Jul 1999 Surname: McBee --- NAME: Sheila Rodrigue EMAIL: SARodrigue@prodigy.net Surname: McBee DATE: Jul 13 1999 LINK: URL: http:// QRYTEXT: To find the location of Tuppertown, you might try this site: http://mapping.usgs.gov/ Click on Geographic Names Information. On the second half of this page find the query section and click on United States and Territories. This will bring you to the page when you can search for all kinds of things such as towns, rivers, streams, churches, schools to name a few. The query site was down today, so I couldn't do a search for Tuppertown. But it's a great site for locating a place. I've used it to find a valley where one of my families lived that was flooded when a dam was built, rivers and streams listed on land records, and a post office listed on a pension application..

Thank you . I looked at it. Pretty interesting. Seems like you are stuck in the same place. Nancy: benttree@bright.net