This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/jgB.2ACE/90.247.275.1.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Allen, please give me a few days to research this. I'm not finding her, most families had more than 2 children in the earlier days. Also there is a Harvey H. the H could be for Harry and the names switched around. Also on her, Ann could be a middle name. Another thing would be if she was married into the family there wouldn't be anything on her in the book I have after he died. I'm also finding that there are a few names left out of the cross refer in the book. The book I speak of is one that was done by a lady in the family. It has a great deal of info on the Joyner family. I notice your last name being Timms. If it derives from the surname Timbs, there are alot of them in the Joyner family, also.