Posted on: Sumner Co. Tn Queries Forum Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/USA/Tn/Sumner/11977 Surname: Harris, Watkins, Shaw ------------------------- Looking for descendants of Albert, Nettie(Net), Sherman, Eliza, Neal, Curry, or Kitty Watkins all of whom resided in Sumner County TN in the 1880's. Please email me with any information.

Posted on: Sumner Co. Tn Queries Forum Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/USA/Tn/Sumner/11976 Surname: Shaw, Watkins, Harris ------------------------- Looking for information on Jennie Shaw/Watkins and Marie Shaw. Jennie was born to Marie Shaw and Albert Watkins in 1872. Other family names may have been: Ben, Willard, Willie, Elizabeth, Charlie, Josie, Tom, Charlotte, Tennessee, Jimmie, and Larry. Please email me: sea-k@iopener.net Thanks in advance Patrice

The following information comes from HISTORY OF THE LAUDERDALES IN AMERICA by Clint A. Lauderdale, page 81-82.... 'David Lauderdale of Tipton Co., born ca 1784 married ca 1812 to Clarrissa Bledsoe, d/o Col. Isaac Bledsoe (b. 1735 in Orange Co., VA-d. 9 Apr 1793 in Sumner Co., TN).States that Isaac was killed and scalped by Indians while Clarissa was still a baby. Dad was a Lt in the 39th Infantry Regiment under Lt. Co. Thomas Hart Benton..... David's brother Samuel D. was deputy commander of the Infantry Brigads' 1st Regiment. David on tax lists of 1811, 1816, 1823 and the 1820 census of Sumner Co. with wife, son and 8 slaves. Moved to Tipton Co between 1824-1829 where he died in 1833. Clarissa died January 1840. They had three sons and several daughters....one was Rowena who died of consumption in 1850. Sons were Bledsoe (killed in Civil War), John and James.' page 59 'David is listed as son of James Lauderdale of Sumner Co who was born ca 1744 and married Sarah Mills (d/o John Mills) ca 1767 in Botetourt Co., Va. other children were JohnW., Sarah, Samuel D. James Jr., William and Josiah.' page 27 'James of Sumner died in 1811, Sarah in 1820 and are buried in the family cemetery in Trousdale Co., TN.' My line is through James of Sumner's sister Mary who married James Franklin. Toni Cain Moody

Posted on: Sumner Co. Tn Queries Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Tn/Sumner/11975 Surname: Sumner, McCullough ------------------------- Hello- My parents both come from "Greenwave" high school, Gallatin,TN. My mother is a McCullough from South Tunnel, these are the only McCullough's I am familiar with. Her father was James Wesley McCullough, who owned much land, saw mill, general store, etc., in South Tunnel. His father was Isacc Sumner McCullough. There is much more, but I am waiting on my sister who has all the info and family tree. Hope this is some help. Regards, Jeff Robinson

Posted on: Sumner Co. Tn Queries Forum Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/USA/Tn/Sumner/11974 Surname: RIPPY, BROWN, STONE, GREGORY, KEY, ROLIN, ROWLAND, ROALIN, MOODY ------------------------- March 11, 1867 in loose records and wills there is a Petitioner of Phillip MABRY and his wife Elizabeth MABRY, Sarah Brown and Edwin Duffer Adm of R S BROWN, deceased and Mary E Brown, Geore W Brown, John W Brown, Jefferson Davis Brown and Sidney Morgan Brown, minors of Uncle and Next Friend, Charity Anglea, filed in Chancery Court at Gallatin to the Honorable Thomas BARRY, Chancellor Presiding for the County of Sumner At Gallatin. It says that Elizabeth Brown and Robert Sidney Brown had lands and that she intermarried with the Pet. Phillip Mabry and the said R S Brown died without a will. Sarah Brown Sidney's widow and Mary E, Geo and Jno and J Davis and Sidney M, his heirs and children were appointed an Adm upon the Estate of R S BROWN. This says that Eliz Brown MABRY is entitle to one third of land for widow and heirs to 2/3 and 2/3 subject to dower of Petitioner. The Bailiff was W. S. MUNDAY this was submitted the 23 of March 1867 by S J Edmund, A Cline and Allen Graves and George Troutt, Commissioners. There is a map surveyed by J A NENOMS; another suit filed Robert W Mabry, vs. Maria Soleman, Martha and Frances Soleman saying the two latter are minors w/o guardian and that it appointed J J Turner to be guardian over them 1867. There's a Final Decree alloting land of 113 acres to be divested and vested to Elizabeth BROWN MABRY and her heirs and assigns forever and payment of debts to be met and not interefere with dower of Sarah Brown. $25 to W S MUNDAY Solicitor of Petitioners. There is also a loose record of James RIPPY, et al vs RIPPY, SUSAN, et al 1873 over the deceased Josiah Rippy and Elizabeth mayberry signed by Jesse Cage, court Clerk. 27 jan 1873 This is a summons by the Sheriff of Sumner Co to Susan, Thomas, Mary E, William M, S M Brown, R J D Brown, Jno W Brown, George W Brown, M L Anglea Guardian and Edward Duffer, ADM to appear in court to answer a petition of James B RIPPY et als, filed against them in Court about the probate of the Will of Josiah Rippy, deceased. and A D BRASWELL is the special deputy and Wm JOYNER the Sheriff Mary A WITHAM and husband William; Martha A RIppy and husband, Andrew; Sarah and husband A H Brewer, Nancy and F M Witham and A S Rippy failed to show up in court and therefore a devisavit-vel-non, non disputed judgment was decreed that the will of Josiah Rippy will be in full effect and remain as stated in the Records and Will Book of this court and that the contestants had to pay the costs of the proceedings. On page 8 there is a note to C M AUSTIN, Judge of the Co Court of SUMNER. stating that James C RIPPY, mary A and William WITHAM, Martha J and Andrew RIPPY, Sarah and A H BRUER, BREWER?, Nancy and F M WITHAM, SS RIPPY filed against Susan and Thomas RIPPY, Mary E and William m RIPPY and Sydney M, RJD, John W and George W BROWN, minors and their guardian M L ANGLEA and Edward DUFFER Adm of Elizabeth Maberry dec a petition to show that Josiah RIPPY died 1845 and that in Nov 1845 a paper purporting to be his last will and Testament was admitted to probate by Elizabeth Brown RIPPY who was named Executrix in the Will. The petitioners wanted to show that these children were of another wife, a former wife of Josiah : James B, 15; Mary A Witham, 13; martha J Rippy, about 11, Sarah Bruer about 9, Nancy Witham about 7 and S L Rippy about 5 yrs of age. All minors and young, very young and leaving a child Susan Rippy and Elzabeth intermarried with Thomas Rippy and Elizabeth Brown married Wm Morgan Rippy who had Sydney M Brown and R J D Brown, Jno W Brown and George W Brown, gchildren of the said, Elizabeth and were children of her deceased son, Robert Sidney BROWN. All 4 were minors and had M L Anglea as their guardian. Edward DUFFER was the Adm of Elizabeth MAYBERRY (Rippy)'s will but she had married Philip MAYBERRY/MABRY before her death. The petitioners said that Josiah was not in good mind to dectate the papers and will. This was done 27 jan 1873 with Solicitor W S MONDAY and S.L RIPPY and Jesse Cage, CLERK. Now the Nov term 1845 in Co Court of Sumner said the paper was invalid. The petitioners had to pay $500 to Susan and Thomas RIPPY, Sydney M Brown, R J D, Jno W and George and their Guardian M L Anglea and Edward Duffer along with M Fikes, J K Gant and S P Hodges and said it has to be granted by 1st Mond in March 1873. This paper allows the court officers or whoever they are to sign for these folks saying that they will pay for this Feb 8, 1873 They denied that the paper was false and not Josiah's will and etc. The petitioners said that it's too late since the attempt was set aside for more than 27 years according to a case presented by James W BLACKBURN, Solcitor sworn to and subscribed the 3 Feb 1873 by Thomas W RIPPY and Clerk, Jesse CAGE In 1874 Hon Jo. C GUILD, Circuit Court Judge stated that the contestants abandoned the contested Will and failed and neglected to prosecute and recover. If I understand this correctly, when Josiah died these folks were granted his lands and then this other person comes and says they were not minors and got the land back or some money for damages, or something. Now if Josiah died in 1845, it seems impossible that this could be happening 28 yrs later, but who knows? Anyhow, this seems to me to be saying that your Elizabeth may not be a MABRY at all, but a RIPPY by marriage and a McCLARY or BROWN before that? Check with the Sumner Co Archives and maybe you can get a copy of this and get someone to explain it better. I was interested in it because William Morgan RIPPY was my GGDad and he was b. 1845 and married Mary BROWN 1869 or sometime like that when she was 15 and pregnant, according to a legend that Freddy Brown had in the book Dance BROWN and his Descendants. I show a Josiah A RIPPY (1806-1845) m. to Margaret BELL (1806-1840) Botetourt Co VA heirs James Buchanan RIPPY b. 1826 m. Elizabeth TROUTT Mary Ann "Polly" RIPPY b. 1829-1912 m. Wm WITHAM Martha J RIPPY (1834-1905) m. Andrew RIPPY (1830-1896) Nancy RIPPY (1834-1917) m. Francis Marion WITHAM Sarah RIPPY (1836- ) m. Arthur H BREWER Samuel Lytle RIPPY (1837-1910) m. Sylvesta TROUTT(1834) then his 2nd wife was Elizabeth MCCLARY (1806-1871) and they had Malinda Susan RIPPY (1844-1888) who married Thomas Whitesides RIPPY (1840-1921) As you can see these children of Margaret Bell and Josiah were quite older when Josiah died. This suit doesn't seem to make sense to me! Oh, well. I must be misunderstanding it. PARH

I am researching Green B. Howard of Sumner County, TN. He was born about 1794 in MS or TN and lived in Sumner County for some 55 years. I've found him on tax lists and census records. He had the following children, James W. Howard, William R. Howard, Betsy Howard, Charlotte Howard, Green Howard, Melvina Howard, Wiles/Wilkes Howard and Lycurgus Howard. It is reported that Green B. Howard married Pernilla/Permilia, a full-blood Chickasaw. Green B. Howard served in the War of 1812, but I was not able to obtain any records. Does anyone have information on any of these Howards in Sumner County, TN?

Posted on: Sumner Co. Tn Queries Forum Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/USA/Tn/Sumner/11973 Surname: RIPPY, STONE, KEY, ROALIN, HAIR, DAY, MOODY, BLACK, JACKSON, JOHNSON ------------------------- Hi, I have an aunt who lives in Sumner Co, TN Bethpage and there is a private cemetary across the street from her that houses many of the Lauderdales. I will have to find my last Nov diary to find out the names, but there were lots. It is on Hwy 260 Browning Branch Road off of 31 going to Gallatin and Honey Suckle Rd or Lane going toward 141 Westmoreland, Green Grove TN. The best way to tell you where it is located for me is this: if you take Hwy 52 from WEstmoreland TN to 141 and turn Right and go until you come to a bridge on the Right after a little store like white building on the right, keep going until you see the road, it is a wide, paved road and it is or becomes Honey Suckle Lane and runs into 260, you can't miss that Road sign on the Right about 1/2 mile. There is a big hill across the road from where you turn Right with a red brick house and there is at the left Templelow Church. Take 260 around all the curves until you see the cemetary on the left and two trailers on the right. It is in a cow pasture and I think a guy named Grady owns it, but I just walk over there and visit it when at my aunt's house and they never say anything to me, but if they do to her, she tells them "she's Tommy's niece from Indpls", so they are always friendly whenever they are in the fields and I am roaming it. I sure would love to find someone who would see that this is taken care of for sometimes those cows are let into there and many stones are broken and in need of repair and the cemetary could use a good cleaning and the stones need to be registered with the Sumner Co Archives there in Gallatin! There is a law in TN that preserves these if a family member takes charge, but I don't have any Lauderdales to claim, so I am just a friendly by passer, who loves to hang out with the dead and look for Rippys and Keys and Roalins and Stones and Gregorys and all in Sumner Co, TN when visiting kin there. Now, if you are going from Westmoreland you can take 31 to 231 and turn left at the crossings of the two and there's a restaurant and stores on the right. You are heading toward Gallatin, south on 31E or 231E whichever, anyhow, you turn left and go about 3-4 miles and on the left is 260 and you turn left there and go about 1 mile or two and the Lauderdale graves are on the right hand side. To me it is easier to go this way to 260, Browning Branch Rd. Or if you stop at Westmoreland at Hardee's and see a mid-older aged person there, they can tell you where 260/Browning Branch Rd is from Westmoreland, TN. Happy Hunting and I will try and get back about who is buried there. I believe there are some other surnames, also. PARH

Posted on: Sumner Co. Tn Queries Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Tn/Sumner/11972 Surname: Buchanan ------------------------- A surveyor named John Buchanan lived in Davidson County by 1800. This man's name is many Sumner and Davidson land records but I do not know WHICH John Buchanan he is. There is a John Buchanan from PA who figured prominently in the Revolution. There is a John Buchanan who traveled with others through the Cumberland Gap from Virginia(before 1760). There is also John Buchanan who is mentioned in JGM Ramsey's Annals of Tennessee on page 194: "Mr. Rains settled the place known as Deaderick's plantation. Among the emigrants that built their cabins at the bluff were some from South Carolina. These were John Buchanan, Alexander Buchanan, Daniel Williams, John Mulherrin, James Mulherrin, Sampson Williams, Thomas Thompson besides others whose names are not given." I am uncertain of Ramsey's source but I would appreciate help in determining which John Buchanan was the Sumner/Davidson surveyor.

Posted on: Sumner Co. Tn Queries Forum Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/USA/Tn/Sumner/11971 Surname: Lauderdale, Bledsoe ------------------------- I'm trying to find any information on the marriage and family of David Lauderdale and Clarissa Bledsoe. I believe they started their married life in Sumner County TN and then moved, not sure if directly, to Tipton County TN. One of their son's, Thomas S. Lauderdale, was my g-g-grandfather. The internet information I've seen on their marriage shows they married some time around 1812 but Thomas was not born until 1827 (or 1828, I've seen both). I believe that there were two other sons, James and John. One of them had two middle initials - D.H. - but I can't remember which one right now. The 1860 Tipton County TN census I have shows Thomas and the other Lauderdale with the middle initials D.H. both age 32. David died in 1833 and Clarissa in 1840, both in Tipton County as far as I can tell. I have posted similar queries on other boards so I hope I'm not over posting. Any help will be appreciated. I know that I should be making formal request for documents but I'm posting to see what information I can get so that I will head in the right direction with the documents. Thanks, Leslie

Posted on: Sumner Co. Tn Queries Forum Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/USA/Tn/Sumner/11969 Surname: Shaw, Tally ------------------------- I am looking for information on Thomas Logan Shaw b:March 9,1863 IL. Married Esther Jane Felix b: July 28,1866 KY. George Washington Shaw married Mary P. Tally. Thomas Logan was their son. He said that both of his parents were from TN. I don't know if they were from Sumner Co. or not. If you have any information please e-mail me. Thank you, Rusty snowcritterusa@yahoo.com

Clara, Thanks for sharing your information. Alice Cooper was my 2nd great-grandaunt but I know little about their family. Any help on the Cooper/Anderson family would be a big help to me and many others. Mark

Hi, I just joined the list, I'm looking for off spring of John and Delia Ragland bor in the 1800's from Lebenon Tenn I was born Nancy Jean Ragland in Lebenon Tenn but lived in Nashville Tenn i was raised by Pettus and Ona Ragland Pettus being the brother to John I've treid to find relatives but so far no luck Any help would be appreciated Thanks, Nancy

Dear Joyce, I have a chart of the Shys sent to me by Mary Josephine Shy Robinson that has McCampbell Shy, born 1806 in Overton Co., TN. His father and mother were Thomas Shy and Margaret. Is this the one that you wanted? Jeanne Montana

Right to both of you. Sometimes it's difficult to see why, but we can all have better chances for productive postings with a bit of minor polishing here and there. At one time or other we have all written subject lines that did ot make the best use of the high visibility of a subject line Take H-E-L-P!!!!!!!! for example. Don't know about you, but I have never seen the surname "H-E-L-P" anywhere. There's nothing really wrong with HELP, it's just that using the surname in the subject line is so much more effective. Helen. CBStark@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 06/02/2001 8:30:56 AM Central Daylight Time, > rsettle@kc.rr.com writes: > > > I guess I'm just being picky, but there are two kinds of messages I never > > read. Ones that are written in all capital letters and ones that use no > > capital letters. > > You are not alone. Nobody's perfect, but such messages are sometimes > unintelligible, defeating the very purpose of language. > > Joyce

In a message dated 06/02/2001 8:30:56 AM Central Daylight Time, rsettle@kc.rr.com writes: > I guess I'm just being picky, but there are two kinds of messages I never > read. Ones that are written in all capital letters and ones that use no > capital letters. You are not alone. Nobody's perfect, but such messages are sometimes unintelligible, defeating the very purpose of language. Joyce

Just a thought, You might be because I have gotten great info from both forms. Think we have to remember we are seeking answers to our brick walls----no matter the form. Hey I'm to the point on some to take by way of Pony Express.ha Joy Rick Settle wrote: > I guess I'm just being picky, but there are two kinds of messages I never read. Ones that are written in all capital letters and ones that use no capital letters.

----- Original Message ----- From: "sandra key" <jaxnkey@home.com> To: <TNSUMNER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 12:00 PM Subject: [TNSUMNER] Kemper genealogy > Hi Linda, > > I was cleaning out my inbox and I think I left you hanging on some KEMPER questions. You asked if I had researched the Kempers: The info I have was given to me years ago by my grandmother, Lila Irene KEMPER MCWHIRTER. She was an avid genealogist back in the day when she had to travel all over the country to dig up bits of information. She was the niece of your William V. KEMPER. You asked if I'd researched the JONES side: No, I only have your Ida Ola JONES. I would like to know who Ida Ola's parents were if you have them. I would also like to have William and Ida's descendants, someday, if you have time. I don't know anything about a family reunion - I never heard my grandmother speak of it. I am getting in touch with a woman named Isabelle KEMPER in Goodlettsville to see how she is connected - she might know more about it. You asked about the Mason's. I am pretty sure my great-grandfather (William's brother) was a Mason. His name was Thomas Jefferson KEMPER. I ! > know that his wife, Ezma Irene BRILEY KEMPER was in Eastern Star. > > I will start with George C. KEMPER and you can let me know how much farther you want me to go back. > > George C. KEMPER, son of William KEMPER and Sarah HITT was b. 10-29-1807 in Fauquier Co VA d. 7-8-1889 in Davidson Co TN. He married on 2-28-1829 in FauCo VA to Nancy HiITT who was b. 3-4-1807 Fauquier Co VA d. 8-4-1881 Davidson Co TN. Her parents were Reuben HITT and Fanny SAMUEL. George and Nancy moved to TN around 1833. > > George C. and Nancy HITT KEMPER's children were: > > 1. John J. KEMPER b. 3-7-1830 Fau.Co Va, d. 4-24-1909 Sumner Co TN. Married 1. bef. 1850 to Mary ? 2.on 3-5-1855 SCTN to Elizabeth H. LOWERY. This is our ancestor. My mother believes he is buried in a Kemper cemetery on Long Hollow Pike along with Jane MINTER (his mother-in-law) and his wife, Betty LOWERY. > 2. George W. KEMPER b. Feb. 1832 Fau.CoVA, d. bef. Jan. 1920 in Nashville, Davidson Co TN. Married 12-2-1849 DavCoTN to Mary Louisa REYNOLDS/RUNNELS. She was b. 6-30-1825 VA d. 9-6-1923 Nashville DavCoTN. From his descendant, Wayne HOLMAN, I was told that he owned 4 acres where Goodlettsville High School now stands and the house he lived in became the school's first cafeteria. He probably has more information on this line, which I would also like to have. > 3. Peter H. KEMPER b. 4-17-1834 Davidson Co TN d. 4--9-1914 Limestone Co TX. Married 1. on 12-8-1859 SCTN to Courtney A. WILLIAMS b. 1840-41 SCTN d. 1880-1883 Limestone Co TX, 2.on 2-14-1884 Hill Co TX to Anna W. PERRITT b. abt. March 1848 Louisiana. Peter is buried at Prairie Hill, Limestone Co, TX. > 4.William A. KEMPER b. 2-12-1836 Dav.CoTN,d.4-6-1899 Dav.CoTN Married on 12-24-1867 DavCoTN to Delia Elizabeth SHAW. > 5. Reuben B. KEMPER b. 1838 DavCoTN d. 1899 DavCoTN Married 12-27-1865 DavCoTN to Rebecca Ann JENKINS. He is buried at Spring Hill cemetery, DavCo TN. > 6. Sarah F. KEMPER b. 1-11-1841 DavCoTN d. 11-4-1884 DavCoTN Married 7-24-1861 DavCoTN to William B. LOWERY. > 7. Mary Ann KEMPER b. 11-11-1845 DavCoTN d. 9-4-1867 DavCoTN Married 8-2-1866 DavCoTN to Benjamin F. MYERS. > 8. Thomas Jefferson KEMPER b. abt. 1850 DavCoTN d. 1918 DavCoTN Married 12-22-1870 DavCoTN to Martha Elizabeth SHAW. > > > > Next generation: > > John J. KEMPER and Elizabeth H. (Betty) LOWERY had 8 children: > > 1. Thomas Jefferson KEMPER b. 11-19-1872 SCTN d. 1-16-1956 Gallatin, SCTN Married 2-2-1910 Gallatin SCTN to Ezma Irene BRILEY. This is my line. Thomas Jefferson KEMPER was a carpenter. He and Ezma are buried in Gallatin Cemetery. He was 38 when he married for the first time and Ezma was only 16. > 2. Nancy J. KEMPER (Nan or Nannie) b. 1-6-1855 TN d. 5-17-1946 TN Married 10-15-1894 SCTN to John Calhoun COX. She is buried at Dixon Springs cemetery. She was 39 when she married for the first time to John COX, and he was 67. They were only together 9 years before he died. > 3. William V. KEMPER (Willie) b. 1859 SCTN d. June 1888 Married 4-22-1880 Robertson Co TN to Ida Ola JONES. They died young after having three children together, both in 1888 of TB. They are buried in Greenbriar, Robertson Co TN. The children were raised by the JONES'. > 4.and 5. Eliza KEMPER and Alfred KEMPER b. and d. abt. 1870. > 6. Margaret L. KEMPER b. Oct. 1864 TN. > 7. Horace Anderson KEMPER b. 12-19-1867 TN d. 9-29-1949 Gallatin, SCTN Married 2--7-1894 SCTN to Annie Lucy WALKER. > 8. Ida KEMPER b. 1861 TN > > > Peter H. KEMPER and Courtney WILLIAMS had Peter John Morgan KEMPER who married Martha P. BILLINGTON. Researcher Donna KEMPER is a descendant of Peter and has more on this line, which I would also like to have. > > Next generation: > > Thomas Jefferson KEMPER b. 11-19-1872 SCTN d. 1-16-1956 Gallatin, SCTN married 2-2-1910 Gallatin, SCTN to Ezma Irene BRILEY. She was born 1-8-1894 in White House, SCTN and died 2-1-1980 in Indpls, IN. Her parents were Franklin Marion BRILEY and Minerva A. KEMP. Thomas and Ezma had 3 children: > > 1. Edward Carmac KEMPER b. 3-12-1911 SCTN d. 11-17-1984 Barnwell, SC. Married 10-11-1929 Franklin Co KY to Lila Lorene MEDLEY. > 2. Lila Irene KEMPER b. 6-5-1915 SCTN Married 1. to John Edwin SETTLE on 11-30-1934 SCTN 2. to Carl Jackson MCWHIRTER. Lila is my grandmother, she was an avid genealogist - I have more information on these families if you need more information. > 3. Thomas Jefferson KEMPER b. 8-2-1921 SCTN d. 1-6-1968 SCTN Married 10-10-1947 to Lucy Louise MAYNARD. He served in WWII and is buried in Gallatin cemetery. > > > > William V. KEMPER and Ida Ola JONES had three children: > > 1. John Russell KEMPER > 2. Nannie Belle KEMPER > 3. Willie Lee KEMPER(f) > This information is from researcher Linda Rives (YOU!) and she has more on this line. > > This is all I have in the way of descendants. I do have the KEMPERs farther back if you want more of that information. Sandy Key > I research the McWhirter family in Tennessee and would like to exchange information on this family. Jesse McWhirter > > >

I guess I'm just being picky, but there are two kinds of messages I never read. Ones that are written in all capital letters and ones that use no capital letters.

Hi Sandra, In the Church of England (Episcopal in Am.), an announcement of an intended marriage is read during the service on 3 consecutive Sundays. That is known as "calling the banns" or "posting the banns" in the parish where the couple resides. I don't know all of the history of this, but it was meant to give the couple time to decide if they wanted to go ahead with a marriage. It is very difficult to get a divorce in the Church of England. The purpose of the marriage bond is to insure that both parties are free to marry, and that there is no bigamy invovled. Also that the groom is able to support a family, and therefore the county will not be burdened with its welfare. Hope this helps, Ann In a message dated 6/1/01 9:03:07 AM, you wrote: >I have been reading a novel that is set in the 17th Century in England. The mention >is made of 'the crying of the bans(or banns?)' concerning an upcoming marriage. > Would someone explains what this means and is this where the act of 'marriage >bond' comes from and would someone also explain 'marriage bond' to me...is this >a promise to wed and an amount of money put up as good faith? Thank you, sandra > >______________________________

This is a very simple explanation of the Marriage Banns and Bonds. In the Anglican Church (England) and in the Catholic Church, the Church will post marriage banns for usually 3 weeks in a row. If any one had debts that were owning them or if they knew of another marriage or felt the grooms character was not good they could come forward during this time. If no complaints came forward, or if someone did come forward, the groom would settle the claim and then the marriage would take place. Banns were for the protection of the bride and settlement of the groom. Now in matter to the Bonds. Money was put up by a good friend or family person testifying to the fact that the groom was clear of all debts and was not married to anyone else. These banns and bonds have provided us with another record in our quest of finding our family. When you do research in NC and other states sometimes all you have is the marriage bonds and there is no record of the marriage. This is really a simple answer but I hope it helps. DeAnne