What Sumner Countian was a pitcher for the Boston Red Sox, and When? Helen

Anyone searching Alfred CLAIBORNE, please let me know. I'm interested in information on his wife Sarah Malvina LAUDERDALE. Did they have a daughter named Clara Divine CLAIBORNE? Brenda Knight Nashville, Tn.

>From 1784-1788 the people of (now Tennessee) organized as the State of Franklin to protest the fact, among other things, that North Carolina didn't allow any representation from the area. Since the organization was without sanction from Congress, it was not a state of the United States and the "state" disorganized when the North Carolina militia defeated the "Governor" John Sevier's forces. The former "governor" who was arrested for treason in 1788 was elected to congress from NC in 1789. Sevier and the State of Franklin are the subject of a thesis at www.ls.net/~newriver/nc/wnc6.htm. According to the map Sumner Co was not part of Franklin. Franklin area is Knoxsville, Jonesboro & Greeneville areas. According to "Franklin America's "Lost State" ( real good bk on the subject of Franklin) pg 69-75 states no precise figures are available, but it has been estimated that a least five thousand familes settled in Franklin during the first half of 1786. About one thousand familes went to Nashville in the autumn of 1785 and it is believed that far more established homestead in the older portions of the territory. Franklinites boasted that they were citizens of the fastest-developing state in the Union and the claim may have been valid. A one-room school about 25 miles from Jonesboro that was occupied by only 3 boys in Sept 1785, was overflowing with thirty-two pupils the following spring. Knoxville, which was founded ine early 1786 had a population of more that two thousand by the end of the same year. According to this book this area had a growing population during this period of time. Lynn

For those interested in deed and court records of the State of Franklin area, the Watauga Association of Genealogy Bulletin has many of them published in the first twenty or so volumes. Your local FHC might have them. They exist on Fiche starting with number 6100603. This Bulletin covers the NE area of Tn, including Hawkins, Sullivan, Greene, and Washington Counties. I found several of my surnames of people who were in the NE Tn area, and then moved to Sumner/Robertson County.

The song "I'm my own Grandpa" comes to mind ! I was going to save all of that county information , but I don't think I want to find my relatives bad enough to go through all of that mess ! Guess I will just set back and let them find me ! I'm right here all you Buntin's, Winchesters, Shuff's and Barkers ! Come on over Princes, Powers, Coopers and Maddox's ! ! ! Jeannie T.....Clarksville, TN ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

A very informative book regarding the State of Franklin is by Samuel Cole Williams, a former justice of the Supreme Court of Tennessee, History of the Lost State of Franklin. There were 200 signers of the petition asking NC to make Franklin a state. One of the signers was my great-great-great-great grandfather, William Boyd. I haven't read the history of Franklin in several years, but I was thinking it existed for five years. I need to check into this further. Thanks, Carol Hall Putnam County, TN

It is correct that Tennessee became a state in 1796, but Sumner County's records predate that by about 10 years. Sumner County was originally created in 1786 as a North Carolina County, and has never ceased to function as a county since that time. In 1790, North Carolina ceded its western territory to the United States, and what later became Tennessee was the Territory of the United States South of the Ohio River (or Southwest Territory for short). When the Territory became was admitted to the Union as the State of Tennessee, this still didn't change anything regarding Sumner County's existence. Prior to 1786, what is now Sumner County was in Davidson County, so some very early records for people and property in Sumner can be found in Davidson. Davidson County was created in 1783, and officially prior to that time Middle Tennessee would have been in Washington County, North Carolina (now Washington County, Tennessee), so you might check records there. However, it was so far to Jonesboro in the 18th Century, I doubt if a great deal in included in their records for the Cumberland settlements. Remember too that in 1799, Wilson and Smith Counties were cut off from Sumner County on the South and East. Macon County came off in the 1830s to the East, and Trousdale County was created in 1870, also on the southeast corner. One other tip: when looking for originally land grant holder in the northern part of Sumner County, north of what was called Walker's line, you have to check Kentucky land grant records. Lots of land in northern Sumner County was actually granted by the State of Kentucky, not Tennessee. The reason for this was a long standing boundary dispute between the two states, and this was a compromise. That applies to most of the counties that are along the Kentucky boarder, not just Sumner. Hope this helps. Erick Montgomery

By chance I just stumbled across a website with much info about the State of Franklin. Most of it deals with Greene County, Tennessee but you might find it interesting. Go to www.rootsweb.com/~tngreene/goodspeed.htm Reece

Another excellent source of information on the State of Franklin: Ramsey, J. G. M. " Annals of Tennesee", reprinted by The Overmountain Press, Johnson City, TN. 1999. My father, much more an historian than I, always said that the home built by Richard Cavitt before 1797 was in the State of Franklin when it was built. Helen Mike Waggoner wrote: > As I remember my Tennessee history, the state of Franklin never functioned > as, or was officially recognized as a State. It only lasted a few months, > and I believe its organizers were arrested and detained for a short time. > They didn't too bad....The "Governor" the of state of Franklin, John > Sevier, later became the Governor of the State of Tennessee. > > North Carolina was finally able to cede Tennessee to the Federal Government > in 1790, and it became part of the US Territory South of the Ohio River. > This lasted until 1796, when Tennessee became a State. > > Mike Waggoner > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Pamela Vick <thecatlady@MINDSPRING.COM> > To: <TNSUMNER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 5:01 PM > Subject: [TNSUMNER] State of Franklin > > > J. Ray Young, > > > > I just read on a website two days ago about the State of > > Franklin. I had never heard of it before and it existed for > > a short time. I believe Sumner Co. was part of this State. > > Here is the website, go and check me out on this. > > http://www.wizard.com/~bascs/tnchron.htm > > > > Luck, Pam Vick > > > >

For a good history of Franklin, and the Treason Trials, check this out: http://www.ls.net/~newriver/nc/wnc6.htm Larry Smith Concord, CA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/

Posted on: Sumner Co. Tn Queries Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Tn/Sumner/12004 Surname: RIPPY, ROALIN, STONE, KEY, LOVE, SULLIVAN, BROWN, HAULIE, MOODY, GANT, WIX ------------------------- My GGGGparents settled in Sumner Co. One of the stories said that Sugar GROVE TN was filled with Sugar Maples and that was a great asset to the community. My Uncle Loyd WIX went to Earlington KY to be Coal Miner and I don't know when the mines opened there, but I do know that there was a shaft sunk in Odin, Marion Co, IL in the years between 1881-1900 cause some of my GGDad William Morgan Rippy's brothers went there to become coal miners. I have read accounts that said the reason for migration was that the government could not pay the military soldiers so they granted them land whenver they wanted to open up a new territory and that is why the migration also I would think people followed the river ways because of game and water and all and they could travel on the water quite easily, also. The Ohio and Mississippi and all those were ways of traveling to explore new land, etc. Sometimes I have often thought that maybe the soldiers during wars saw places that they liked while in battle and decided to migrate there after the wars, etc. but it was probably the more practical reason that they were granted lands! I have an Isabell Beatrice HANNER (1905-1981) Sugar Grove, Sumner Co TN that married a Clarence Arthur Evans SMITH. She was the daughter of Sallie Davis RIPPY (1875-1928) Sumner TN; who married Joseph Allen HANNER (1858-1944) She was the d/o Matthew W RIPPY (1849-1924) TN and Martha Ann CARTER (1849-1931) and Gd/o Elvis Jefferson RIPPY (1811-1885), my Wagon Train Jesse's son. I have a Roy RIPPY who married a Bessie SMITH in our tree, also. LOVE and blessings, Patti Ann RIPPY HAIR

As I remember my Tennessee history, the state of Franklin never functioned as, or was officially recognized as a State. It only lasted a few months, and I believe its organizers were arrested and detained for a short time. They didn't too bad....The "Governor" the of state of Franklin, John Sevier, later became the Governor of the State of Tennessee. North Carolina was finally able to cede Tennessee to the Federal Government in 1790, and it became part of the US Territory South of the Ohio River. This lasted until 1796, when Tennessee became a State. Mike Waggoner ----- Original Message ----- From: Pamela Vick <thecatlady@MINDSPRING.COM> To: <TNSUMNER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 5:01 PM Subject: [TNSUMNER] State of Franklin > J. Ray Young, > > I just read on a website two days ago about the State of > Franklin. I had never heard of it before and it existed for > a short time. I believe Sumner Co. was part of this State. > Here is the website, go and check me out on this. > http://www.wizard.com/~bascs/tnchron.htm > > Luck, Pam Vick > >

Posted on: Sumner Co. Tn Queries Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Tn/Sumner/12003 Surname: Mitchell, Busby, Graves, Cline ------------------------- My dad's people were from Sumner Co. Many went to Indianapolis for work in the early 1900's. One also went to Earlington, Kentucky. Would you happen to know the reason for that? Was it a common destination for people from Sumner Co.? My grandfather ended up in Michigan after a sojourn in Indianapolis. Just curious when I saw your itinerary.

Visit the gen web pages of Washington Co., Russell Co., and Lee County, VA, during the 1775 - 1790 era to find many of the names you find on Davidson and Sumner County tax and militia rolls. Its almost as if those Virginians were drawn there awaiting the opportune moment to move westward into KY and TN. You can link to VA and then to those counties by going to http://www.usgenweb.org/statelinks.html A brother of my 4th great-grandmother was killed by Indians there, and in 1808 her son, John Carter Stark, brought his sons and daughters and their families to Sumner Co. Three others of my Sumner County ancestors came through that area between 1782 and 1800. Joyce

In the History of Southwest Virginia I found the list of soldiers serving under Colonel Gilbert Christian in the "Rear Guard of the Revolution". In that group was Moses Winters, Isaac Lindsey, John Crain, Lewis Crain, and many other names that eventually wound up in Sumner County. I can't find my copy in my file cabinet but will continue to look. You might find it quicker. Charles Crain

I've just started research on the Benjamin Osborne Overton who married in Sumner County in 1866. He had four children. I believe he went to the Hendersonville Church of Christ. Benjamin Osborne Overton [North Carolina] m. Ruth 1866 Macon County Sallie Anne 1866 George Edward 1873 Robert T. 1875 Benjamin Archibald [Arch] b. July 22, 1881 Saundersville Co., TN Also the Bell who married a Howse[Mayor Hilary Howse was a cousin] and their son was William Joseph Bell b. 12/8/1846 who married Jacob Horn's daughter Mary Kelly Horn. Jacob Horn owned the property at the end of Walton's Ferry Road. Mary Kelly Horn Bell was born 1847 in Hendersonville. Mary Kelly Horn and William Joseph Bell had 9 Bell m. Howse Jacob Horn m. Powell William Joseph Bell 1846-1923 Maude Van Pelt Sally Olla Willie Ruth Madlyn Robert May Iwin Joseph A. Any information would be helpful on any of the above.

J. Ray Young, I just read on a website two days ago about the State of Franklin. I had never heard of it before and it existed for a short time. I believe Sumner Co. was part of this State. Here is the website, go and check me out on this. http://www.wizard.com/~bascs/tnchron.htm Luck, Pam Vick

Since Tennessee did not become a state until 1796 the records for Sumner co could be some where else. Would anyone know where or if they might exist. Was the part of TN that became Old Sumner co ever a part of the state of Franklin if so do any of those records still exist. I have found some land records for Revolutionary war Bounty lands for certain people that served in the war are in the capitol of NC. Does anyone know if the malitia records might be there also. Thanks J. Ray Young

In a message dated 06/14/2001 9:59:26 AM Central Daylight Time, ray@accessus.net writes: > Can someone tell me more about the Sumner Co malitia. Go to the Sumner Co. GenWeb page at http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsumner/ Scroll down to the section on military, and you'll find several muster rolls there. Joyce

Hi List, Is there anyone who has any information about my Orr Family, like who did they come to Sumner County with and from where! "Please contact me''. I have a lot on the children but can't find anything on John SR or his wife Frances. This is what I have on the Orr Family. John Orr SR married Frances Unknown! (trying to find her maiden name, with no luck)! Place of marriage Unknown ! Some or all of their children were born in either NC or VA. John Orr SR died in 1798 and Frances in the fall of 1813, in Sumner County, TN.! Place of their burial, Unknown! John Orr JR and wife Frances first appeared in Sumner County about 1794 or 1795 with his family of eight children. He had a Kentucky Land grant for 200 acres and owned 60 acres in Sumner county 1-Jane was already married to William Alderson, before coming to Sumner County, TN, other researchers say they were probably married in SC . 2-John JR, who was married to Telitha Cotton and they eventually moved with their family to first White County IL then to Brown County, IL. 3-James who eventually became a Doctor, he married Elizabeth DeLoach and they moved to Woodville, Wilkinson County, Mississippi4-David and Jenny McElwrath were married and they migrated over to Bedford County, TN near Unionville. They are buried in Pleasant Valley Cemetery along with a bunch of descendants 5-Elizabeth was married to William Snoddy they eventually divorced and I believe she remarried Armstead Alderson. 6-Margaret (Peggy) married William Ogles he died and it is my belief that she eventually married James W. Alexander and both died in Brown County, IL. 7-William married Annie Smith, no information for him. 8-Green Berry was married three time first to Aramintha Harris, then he married Elizabeth Burk and finally there was his marriage to Mary Brown who migrated with him to Brown County IL If any one can help it would be great………………………….. Winona Creek Decatur IL WEC@aol.com