Sue, I too have in data a Rosie Elizabeth (Lizzie) Flatt no dates md to John Simpson (Simp) Dycus b abt 1846 - no other info. except that Simp was s/o Elba Dycus b 1821 of Macon Co; d after 1880 prob Macon Co. Elba md Mary (Polly) Dixon b abt 1825 - d after 1880...they had several children. Simp also md Nancy (Nan) Massey b about 1840. I show John Simpson Dycus married Nancy Massey 23 Dec 1873 in Jackson County, TN. [no proof!!]?? I show here birth as 1849 in TN and no death date. They have two children; Frances "Fannie", b. 1877 (married Paul Kirby) and Alford Dycus, b. 20 Mar 1881 ~ 25 Oct 1963, both in Macon Co., and married Juda Frances Cassetty on 25 Dec 1904; d/o George B Cassetty and Mary Elizabeth Donoho. Juda Frances "Fannie" was widow of Hadley Clark and twin sister to Amanda Elizabeth Cassetty. Elba also md Mary A. grenade b about 1830 - no more info Elba was s/o William Billy Edward Dycus of N.C. d about 1870 of Macon Co. md Minerva Naomi Carver 1799 N.C. 1888 in Macon Co. prob. I'm showing wife of Billy as Winnie Carver? ?Winifred? She's "Winnie" in the 1850 Census. SS HH 67 in the Macon Co. 1850 Roots Book published a couple of years ago...has infor on some of these families also. I am sure I connected some of this also to an old newspaper article which I no longer have...deteriorated. I have done no more research for this Rosie so there may be more available but know she is not the same as Rosa d/o our Holland family. Melba

Ok, maybe this will help. Heres some of what I have on the children of William Carver and Minerva Neoma Carver. If I do more than one generation at a time its to many pages to post. Are we sure that it is John Simpson Dycus that married Nancy Massey and Rosie Flatt? Mary Descendants of William Edward Dycus Generation No. 1 1. WILLIAM EDWARD5 DYCUS (EDWARD C.4, EDWARD DYCUS3 JR, EDWARD2 DYCUS, SR., WILLIAM1) was born Abt. 1799 in North Carolina, and died Abt. 1886. He married WINNIE MINERVY NEOMA CARVER Bef. 1821, daughter of JOHN CARVER and MARY DYCUS. She was born November 18, 1799 in Tennessee, and died June 13, 1888 in Macon County, Tennessee. Notes for WILLIAM EDWARD DYCUS: 1850 Macon Co. TN (from transcribed census) Dycus William 51 Farmer b. NC Dycus Minervy 51 b. TN Carver Eli 33 b. TN Farmer (brother-in-law noted, in transcription) Dycus* Clarisa 25 b. TN Dycus* Leroy 21 b. TN Dycus* Arrenia 20 b. TN Dycus* Oma J. 18 b. TN Dycus* Elizabeth 16 b. TN Dycus* Amanda 13 b. TN Dycus* Miranda 11 b. TN Dycus* Larkin 6 b. TN Dycus* John S. b. TN Asterisks added to Macon Co. Census transcriptions indicate corrections or additions. I am assuming these Asterisks indicate that they may have listed all of these with Dycus Surname as Carver? 1860 Macon Co. TN (from transcribed census) Dycus Wm. 60 b. NC farmer Carver+ Winney M. 60 b. NC Carver added to transcription Dycus Arena 30 b. TN Dycus Larkin 17 b. TN Dycus John Simpson 13 b. TN 1870 Macon Co. TN (from transcribed census) Dycus William 70 b. NC Dycus Winnie 60 b. NC (Carver added) Dycus Arenia 41 b. TN Dycus John S. 23 b. TN 1880 Macon Co. TN (from transcribed census) Dycus William 80 b. NC Dycus Winnie 80 b. TN wife Dycus Irene 50 b. TN daug (Arena or was her name Irene?) Dycus John S. 34 b. TN son Dycus Nancy M. 31 b. TN stepdau. (should this be Daug-in-law Nancy Massey?) Dycus Charlie 5 b. TN grandson Dycus Fannie 3 b. TN granddaug. Children of WILLIAM DYCUS and WINNIE CARVER are: i. ELBA6 DYCUS, b. Abt. 1821, Tennessee; m. MARY A. "POLLY" DICKSON, Bef. 1844; b. Abt. 1830, Tennessee. Notes for ELBA DYCUS: 1850 Macon Co. (from transcribed census) Dycus Elba 29 b. TN Farmer Dycus Polly 25 b. TN Dycus Lucinda 6 b. TN Dycus William 4 b. TN Dycus Clarisa 1 b. TN Living next house from father William Dycus. http://ftp.us-census.org/pub/usgenweb/census/xtn/jackson/1860/pgq001.txt Q014-03 DICUS -Dist. #3, PO Fort Blount, Jackson Co., Tenn., June 20, 1860- 87/ 87 Elbey 39 M W Farming 300 Tn I Mary A. 36 F W Housetend Tn I Louvcinda 15 F W Housetend Tn S William 13 M W Tn S Clavery 11 M W Tn S Sarah 9 F W Tn Mary Ann 6 F W Tn John H. 3 M W Tn Benitta 1 F W Tn (from transcribed census) 1880 Macon Co. TN (from transcribed census) Dycus Elby 52 b. TN farmer Dycus Mary A. b. TN wife Dycus John S. 22 b. TN son Dycus Bornitia 21 b. TN daug. Dycus Eliza A. F. 17 b. TN daug. ii. CLARISA (CATHERINE A.) DYCUS, b. September 20, 1824, Tennessee; d. Abt. 1880; m. RICHARD A. KIRBY, Bet. 1850 - 1852; b. Abt. 1833, Tennessee. Notes for RICHARD A. KIRBY: 1860 Macon Co. TN (from transcribed census) Kerby Richard H. 28 b. TN Dycus+ Clerisa b. 36 b. TN surname added to transcription Kerby W. A. 8 b. TN male Kerby Leonidas H. 6 b. TN Kerby Sarah Amanda 3 b. TN Kerby Arenia Clay 1 b. TN Kerby Sally 50 b. NC mother added to transcription. 1870 Macon Co. TN (from transcribed census) Kirby Richard A. 38 b. TN Kirby Claresy 46 b. TN (Dycus noted) Kirby Leonidas 16 b. TN Kirby Sarah A. 14 b. TN Kirby Arrena C. 12 b. TN Kirby Sally A. 8 b. TN Kirby Peggy H. 6 b. TN Kirby Elvira J. 4 b. TN Kirby Paschal W. 9 mos b. TN Kirby Sally 59 b. TN mother noted. 1880 Macon Co. TN (from transcribed census) Kirby Richard A. 46 b. TN Kirby Clarisy 52 b TN wife Kirby Leonda S. 26 b. TN son Kirby Mary E. 19 b. TN daughter Kirby Elvira J. 14 b. TN daughter Kirby Peggie H. 17 b. TN daughter Kirby Paskel W. 10 b. TN son Kirby Sallie 70 b. NC parents b. NC Mother iii. ELIZA JANE DYCUS, b. Abt. 1827, Tennessee; m. MILES W. HUDDLESTON; b. Abt. 1810, Tennessee. iv. LEROY (TERRY) DYCUS, b. May 19, 1828, Macon County, Tennessee; d. September 02, 1915, Willette, Macon County, Tennessee; m. (1) MARRIAH J. DONOHO, March 10, 1852, Smith County, Tennessee; b. Abt. 1832, Smith County, Tennessee; m. (2) ELIZA JANE CLARK, September 07, 1873; b. Abt. 1834, Tennessee. Notes for LEROY (TERRY) DYCUS: 1870 Smith Co. TN (from transcribed census) Dicus* Leroy 42 farmer 2,000 850 b. TN(remarks unsure of surname) Dicus * Mary J. 38 keeping house b. TN Dicus* Mary A. 15 student b. TN Dicus* Sarah S. 9 b. TN Dicus* Eliza J. 5 b. TN Dicus* Tanzora* 3 (female) b. TN 1880 (from transcribed census) Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace Terry DYCUS Self M Male W 53 TN Farmer NC NC Eliza J. DYCUS Wife M Female W 46 TN Keeping House TN TN Eliza DYCUS Dau S Female W 16 TN At Home TN TN Fannie DYCUS Dau S Female W 12 TN At Home TN TN Lawson W. DYCUS Son S Male W 9 TN TN TN William W. M. D. DYCUS Other S Male W 5M TN TN TN -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Source Information: Census Place District 7, Macon, Tennessee Family History Library Film 1255270 NA Film Number T9-1270 Page Number 97C 1910 Macon Co. TN (from transcribed census) Dycus, Wm Walter McDonald 30 wd Dycus, Bernard 8 son Dycus, Thomas L. 6 dau (Listed daughter and as a white female?) Dycus, Lana A. 2 dau Dycus, Leroy 82 father 2nd mar 38 yrs Dycus, Liza Jane 76 mother 2nd mar 38 yrs 2 ch 1 liv v. ARRENIA DYCUS, b. Abt. 1830. vi. OMA JANE DYCUS, b. April 22, 1832, Jackson County, Tennessee; d. December 31, 1910, Willette, Macon County, Tennessee; m. (1) JAMES JENKINS, JR, March 11, 1852, Macon County, Tennessee; b. Abt. 1827, Tennessee; d. March 07, 1862, Bowling Green, Kentucky; m. (2) WILLIAM M. "WILD BILL" CARVER, July 19, 1867, Macon County, Tennessee; b. February 04, 1842, Macon County, Tennessee; d. February 15, 1913, Willette, Macon County, Tennessee. Notes for OMA JANE DYCUS: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/smithprobatecourt3.htm Pg 217 CB THOMAS admr &c VS Jefferson JENKINS & others} Order for Dower I Oma J CARVER have Received of John P YELTON Clerk of the Smith County Court & successor to EW TURNER former Clerk & commissioner in said office one hundred & forty dollars & twenty two cents after paying his cost which is $9\87 it being in full of my Dower Interest Decreed to me by Smith County Court in the Estate of my former husband James JENKINS Decd in the above cause given in duplicate this July 3rd 1869 Oma J CARVER (her mark) WM CARVER attest JB LUSTER AA SWOPE State os Tennessee Smith County} Personally appeared.Oma J CARVER wife of W.M. CARVER.Witness my hand at office this July 3rd 1869 John P YELTON Clerk Notes for JAMES JENKINS, JR: 1850 Census of Smith co. James Jr. 23, still living in parents household. 1860 Census Smith co. TN all born TN. HH# 589 Jenkins James 34 b. TN Jenkins Jane 28 b. TN Jenkins Wm. C. 7 b. TN Jenkins Jefferson 6 b. TN Jenkins James S. 3 b. TN Jenkins Alfred 1 b. TN 1870 Macon Co. Census transcribed. Dist #7 HH# 111 all born TN. Carver William M. 27 Dycus Oma J. 38 Carver Winfield 1 m. Jenkins Jefferson 15 Jenkins James L. 13 Jenkins Alfred 10 Jenkins Dixon A. 7 1880 Macon Co. (from transcribed census) Carver William H. 36 b. TN farmer Carver Emma J. 48 b. TN wife (Oma J) Carver Dixon A. 17 b. TN son (this should be Dixon A. Jenkins) Carver Winfield 11 b. TN son Carver Flem B. 9 b. TN son Carver Charley M. 6 b. TN son Carver Laura Bell 4 b. TN daug. Alfred is living in previous household 1880, I have found no sign of Jefferson or James in 1880 Macon Co. TN The 1900 Macon Co. Census lists: Carver, Wm. M. Feb. 1843 57 Oma J. wife Apr. 1834 63 Charles M. Son Sept. 1873 26 single Jenkins, Kitty L., Grdau. Mar. 1883 17 Ruby M. Grdau. Oct. 1891 8 Dycus, Alfred servant Mar. 1882 18 single 1910 Macon Co. TN Carver William M. 61 1/43 b. TN Carver, Oma A. J. wife 78 2/43 9/5 b. TN Jenkins, Ruby adau 15 b. Tn Jenkins, Lizzie nie 47 D 6/6 b. TN vii. B. L. (ELIZABETH) DYCUS, b. Abt. 1834; d. Abt. 1865, Macon County, Tennessee; m. ELAM RUSSELL, Bef. 1852; b. December 30, 1832, Smith County, Tennessee; d. April 20, 1907, Macon County, Tennessee. Notes for ELAM RUSSELL: 1860 Macon Co. (from transcribed census) Russell E. 26 b. TN Russell B. L. Elizabeth 25 b. TN Russell Simpson 7 b. TN Russell E. J. 6 b. TN female Russell Winney 4 b. TN Russell William 3 b. TN Russell N. A. 4/12 b. TN female 1870 Federal Census Federal Census for August 18, 1870 Highland Township, Jackson County, Tennessee Russell Elam 37 farmer 425, 750 b. TN Russell Melissa 26 wife b. TN Russell Simpson 17 son b. TN Russell Eliza J. 16 dau b. TN Russell Winney 14 dau b. TN Russell William 12 son b. TN Russell Sarah E. 5 dau b. TN Russell George 4 son b. TN Russell Margart 2 dau b. TN Russell Sidney 10/12 son b. TN 1880 (from transcribed census) Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace Elam RUSSELL Self M Male W 47 TN Farmer VA NC Malissa J. RUSSELL Wife M Female W 46 TN Keeping House TN TN Sarah RUSSELL Dau S Female W 15 TN At Home TN TN George L. RUSSELL Son S Male W 13 KY Works On Farm TN TN Margrett RUSSELL Dau S Female W 12 TN At Home TN TN Sidney RUSSELL Son S Male W 10 TN Works On Farm TN TN Luverna RUSSELL Dau S Female W 9 TN TN TN Mary F. RUSSELL Dau S Female W 6 KY TN TN Luvina RUSSELL Dau S Female W 4 KY TN TN Luther RUSSELL Son S Male W 1 TN TN TN -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Source Information: Census Place District 3, Jackson, Tennessee Family History Library Film 1255264 NA Film Number T9-1264 Page Number 294B viii. AMANDA DYCUS, b. August 30, 1836, Macon County, Tennessee; d. March 08, 1913, Macon County, Tennessee; m. JOHN WISMAN DONOHO, March 25, 1853, Smith County, Tennessee; b. April 06, 1836, Smith County, Tennessee; d. September 01, 1865, Staunton, Virginia. 1860 Smith Co. TN (from transcribed census) Donoho John W. 24 farmer 250 250 b. TN (living next to father) REMARKS: One set of Twins Donoho Amanda 24 b. TN Donoho Julia 6 b. TN Donoho Mary E. 2 b. TN Donoho Nancy E. 1 b. TN Donoho James W. 1 b. TN 1870 Macon Co. TN (from transcribed census) Donoho Amanda 33 b. TN (Dycus noted) Donoho Julia F. 16 b. TN Donoho Mary E. 11 b. TN Donoho Nancy E. 9 b. TN Donoho John B. 8 b. TN 1880 Macon Co. Donoho Amanda 43 b. TN Donoho John B. 18 b. TN son ix. MIRANDA DYCUS, b. Abt. 1839, Macon County, Tennessee; m. LEROY LEE DONOHO, Bef. 1861; b. Abt. 1834, Tennessee. x. Notes for LEROY LEE DONOHO: 1870 Macon co. Donoho Leroy 25 b. TN Donoho Maranda 30 b. TN Donoho William L. 9 b. TN Donoho Haley P. 9 b. TN male Donoho Amanda E. 4 b. TN Donoho Martha A. 3 b. TN Donoho Elizabeth J. 1 b. TN 1880 Macon Co. TN Donoho Leroy 45 b. TN Donoho Mary M. 46 b. TN wife Donoho William L. 18 b. TN son Donoho Haley P. 19 b. TN son Donoho Manda E. 14 b. TN daughter Donoho Josephine B. 11 b. TN daughter Donoho Alta 9 b. TN daughter Donoho Harry D. 5 b. TN son Donoho Evy Bell 4 b. TN daughter Donoho James A. 2 b. TN son x. LARKIN DYCUS, b. Abt. 1844, Macon County, Tennessee; d. Abt. 1883, Cubb Creek, Jackson County, Tennessee; m. NANCY E. DONOHO, July 06, 1862, Smith County, Tennessee; b. Abt. 1836, Smith County, Tennessee. Notes for LARKIN DYCUS: 1880 Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace Larkin DYCUS Self M Male W 36 TN Farmer SC SC Nancy A. DYCUS Wife M Female W 40 TN Keeping House TN TN Alexander DYCUS Son S Male W 16 TN Works On Farm TN TN John S. DYCUS Son S Male W 13 TN Works On Farm TN TN Beverly T. DYCUS Son S Male W 9 TN TN TN Mary A. DYCUS Dau S Female W 6 TN TN TN Veally DYCUS Dau S Female W 4 TN TN TN William DYCUS Son S Male W 2 TN TN TN -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Source Information: Census Place District 3, Jackson, Tennessee Family History Library Film 1255264 NA Film Number T9-1264 Page Number 292A xi. JOHN SIMPSON DYCUS, b. Abt. 1846. Married Nancy Massey December 23, 1873, Smith Co. TN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Gregory" <sagsspot@aol.com> To: <TNSMITH@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 3:30 PM Subject: [TNSMITH] Elba Dycus.......etc > > Sue, > I too have in data a Rosie Elizabeth (Lizzie) Flatt no dates md to John > Simpson > (Simp) Dycus b abt 1846 - no other info. except that Simp was s/o > Elba Dycus b 1821 of Macon Co; d after 1880 prob Macon Co. Elba md Mary > (Polly) > Dixon b abt 1825 - d after 1880...they had several children. > > Simp also md Nancy (Nan) Massey b about 1840. I show John Simpson Dycus > married > Nancy Massey 23 Dec 1873 in Jackson County, TN. [no proof!!]?? I show here > birth as > 1849 in TN and no death date. They have two children; Frances "Fannie", b. > 1877 (married > Paul Kirby) and Alford Dycus, b. 20 Mar 1881 ~ 25 Oct 1963, both in Macon > Co., and married > Juda Frances Cassetty on 25 Dec 1904; d/o George B Cassetty and Mary > Elizabeth Donoho. > Juda Frances "Fannie" was widow of Hadley Clark and twin sister to Amanda > Elizabeth > Cassetty. > > Elba also md Mary A. grenade b about 1830 - no more info > > Elba was s/o William Billy Edward Dycus of N.C. d about 1870 of Macon Co. > md > Minerva Naomi Carver 1799 N.C. 1888 in Macon Co. prob. I'm showing wife of > Billy as > Winnie Carver? ?Winifred? She's "Winnie" in the 1850 Census. > > SS HH 67 in the Macon Co. 1850 Roots Book published a couple of years > ago...has > infor on some of these families also. > > I am sure I connected some of this also to an old newspaper article which > I no > longer have...deteriorated. > > I have done no more research for this Rosie so there may be more available > but > know she is not the same as Rosa d/o our Holland family. > > Melba > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message