Sir, Collins River is in Warren County and is a tributary of the Caney Fork. The Caney Fork flows into the Cunberland. Doug I have fished in a lot of those creeks, e.g. Jones Creek, Indian Creek, Eagle Creek, Mine Lick Creek, etc. I remember during times of low water you could see the foundation of old homes and sometimes a rock wall. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Masters" <aujm2@comcast.net> To: <TNSMITH@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 10:52 AM Subject: [TNSMITH] Creeks in Smith County on Caney Fork > Good Day everyone > > We are working on Volume II of Cumberland Pioneers (( > www.cumberlandpioneers.com )) and seeing some potential grant placements > challenges. > > We have discovered that Smith fork, for example was called Southwest > Fork, McNeelys Creek and many early pioneer surveyors called this creek > "Collins River" > > Hickman Creek was called Beaver creek in 1785 when Surveyor William > Dobbins came in and surveyed three large tracts. > > My dilemma now is that for Mulherrin Creek I cannot find any early > pioneers names. My questions - does anyone know any other names for > Mulherring Creek?? > > Any help greatly appreciated. > > Thank you > > Jack Masters > Gallatin, TN 37066 > ____________________________ > > Jack Masters > www.cumberlandpioneers.com > www.jackmasters.net > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good Day everyone We are working on Volume II of Cumberland Pioneers (( www.cumberlandpioneers.com )) and seeing some potential grant placements challenges. We have discovered that Smith fork, for example was called Southwest Fork, McNeelys Creek and many early pioneer surveyors called this creek "Collins River" Hickman Creek was called Beaver creek in 1785 when Surveyor William Dobbins came in and surveyed three large tracts. My dilemma now is that for Mulherrin Creek I cannot find any early pioneers names. My questions - does anyone know any other names for Mulherring Creek?? Any help greatly appreciated. Thank you Jack Masters Gallatin, TN 37066 ____________________________ Jack Masters www.cumberlandpioneers.com www.jackmasters.net

He does not show up in the census after 1850. The court houses burned several times in that area in different counties I was told. -----Original Message----- From: tnsmith-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tnsmith-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sandra & Tom Stephens Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 4:20 PM To: tnsmith@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] John A Hughes You do not say when or where he died, but Tennessee did not begin requiring death certificates until 1908.   --- On Tue, 6/29/10, Sammie Jean Fairchild <looking4myfamily@att.net> wrote: From: Sammie Jean Fairchild <looking4myfamily@att.net> Subject: [TNSMITH] John A Hughes To: tnsmith@rootsweb.com, tnjackso@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 2:47 PM Does anyone have the personal property taxes or tax rolls for Smith County or Jackson County .  I am researching John A Hughes.  He was born in VA and I am trying to trace him.  Is there a marriage bond between him and Nancy Carver married after 1840 John A Hughes  born about 18025 - 1805 VA    Does anyone have a death certificate on him JEANNIE FAIRCHILD 3665 WOODRUFF AVE LOUISVILLE  KY 40215 Reunion 2010. July 17th, Schochoh, Logan County, Kentucky USA  10:00 AM to 4:PM  All Welcome 3720 SCHOCHOH ROAD, HWY 663. ADAIRVILLE, LOGAN, KENTUCKY 502 802  1798  JEANNIE 502 644 7425    AARON Maternal Surnames: CassityCassetty/Casada/Casaday/Cassidy/Cassitdy/Caskey/Casty Etc Spelling of the name, Climer, Dalton, Davis, Dycus, Green, Harton,  Holland, Hughes, Hull, Jackson, Key, King, Kirby, Knight, Law, Lawler, Lee, Long, Manson, Marrow, Massey, McInnis, McKinnis,  Newberry, Patterson, Pike, Ramsey, Sircy, Soyars, Thomas, Welch,  Witcher, Young Fathernal Surnames:  Adams, Brooks, Bull,  Burchfield, Chenault, Cohen, Conn, Coon, Duncan, Gilkey, Gregory, Jamison, Long, Lowe, Lowery, Norwood, Peeler, Pressley, Searcy, Shomaker/Shumaker, Thomlin, White, Williams Spouse:  Blanton, Burchett, Coldiron, Fairchild, Conley, Long, Williams, Howard, Picklesimer ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone have the personal property taxes or tax rolls for Smith County or Jackson County . I am researching John A Hughes. He was born in VA and I am trying to trace him. Is there a marriage bond between him and Nancy Carver married after 1840 John A Hughes born about 18025 - 1805 VA Does anyone have a death certificate on him JEANNIE FAIRCHILD 3665 WOODRUFF AVE LOUISVILLE KY 40215 Reunion 2010. July 17th, Schochoh, Logan County, Kentucky USA 10:00 AM to 4:PM All Welcome 3720 SCHOCHOH ROAD, HWY 663. ADAIRVILLE, LOGAN, KENTUCKY 502 802 1798 JEANNIE 502 644 7425 AARON Maternal Surnames: CassityCassetty/Casada/Casaday/Cassidy/Cassitdy/Caskey/Casty Etc Spelling of the name, Climer, Dalton, Davis, Dycus, Green, Harton, Holland, Hughes, Hull, Jackson, Key, King, Kirby, Knight, Law, Lawler, Lee, Long, Manson, Marrow, Massey, McInnis, McKinnis, Newberry, Patterson, Pike, Ramsey, Sircy, Soyars, Thomas, Welch, Witcher, Young Fathernal Surnames: Adams, Brooks, Bull, Burchfield, Chenault, Cohen, Conn, Coon, Duncan, Gilkey, Gregory, Jamison, Long, Lowe, Lowery, Norwood, Peeler, Pressley, Searcy, Shomaker/Shumaker, Thomlin, White, Williams Spouse: Blanton, Burchett, Coldiron, Fairchild, Conley, Long, Williams, Howard, Picklesimer

You do not say when or where he died, but Tennessee did not begin requiring death certificates until 1908.   --- On Tue, 6/29/10, Sammie Jean Fairchild <looking4myfamily@att.net> wrote: From: Sammie Jean Fairchild <looking4myfamily@att.net> Subject: [TNSMITH] John A Hughes To: tnsmith@rootsweb.com, tnjackso@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 2:47 PM Does anyone have the personal property taxes or tax rolls for Smith County or Jackson County .  I am researching John A Hughes.  He was born in VA and I am trying to trace him.  Is there a marriage bond between him and Nancy Carver married after 1840 John A Hughes  born about 18025 - 1805 VA    Does anyone have a death certificate on him JEANNIE FAIRCHILD 3665 WOODRUFF AVE LOUISVILLE  KY 40215 Reunion 2010. July 17th, Schochoh, Logan County, Kentucky USA  10:00 AM to 4:PM  All Welcome 3720 SCHOCHOH ROAD, HWY 663. ADAIRVILLE, LOGAN, KENTUCKY 502 802  1798  JEANNIE 502 644 7425    AARON Maternal Surnames: CassityCassetty/Casada/Casaday/Cassidy/Cassitdy/Caskey/Casty Etc Spelling of the name, Climer, Dalton, Davis, Dycus, Green, Harton,  Holland, Hughes, Hull, Jackson, Key, King, Kirby, Knight, Law, Lawler, Lee, Long, Manson, Marrow, Massey, McInnis, McKinnis,  Newberry, Patterson, Pike, Ramsey, Sircy, Soyars, Thomas, Welch,  Witcher, Young Fathernal Surnames:  Adams, Brooks, Bull,  Burchfield, Chenault, Cohen, Conn, Coon, Duncan, Gilkey, Gregory, Jamison, Long, Lowe, Lowery, Norwood, Peeler, Pressley, Searcy, Shomaker/Shumaker, Thomlin, White, Williams Spouse:  Blanton, Burchett, Coldiron, Fairchild, Conley, Long, Williams, Howard, Picklesimer ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have been looking in the "Macon Roots" (2008)  and there are a lot of Shrum's listed. I found a Newton Isaac Shrum but the dates don't jive. There is listed a Isaac Shrum born in 1859, so the dates don't lineup with your dates. A thought is that I have is Isaac's father was a John Allen Shrum born  in 1830 in NC. One of Isaac's brohter was Benjamin born in 1866 and a Henry born in 1864. I wonder if they had a child and named him after their brother. Benjamin married a Mary Hargis. Now there a lot of Hargis families in the latest "Macon Roots" I am following the Nichols family line which follows the Parker family from VA and the Shrum family is listed under the Parker's in the Macon Roots. tu, dr.bill nichols ----- Original Message ----- From: FmlyTracer@aol.com To: tnjackso@rootsweb.com, TNMACON@rootsweb.com, TNSMITH@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 7:04:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [TNSMITH] Isaac Newton Shrum 1881-1928 Isaac Newton Shrum is given in the Alexander Funeral Home records, wife   Hattie, father Charles, mother Hargis.   The only other information I can find on this person is the 1920 census   with wife Hattie and WWI Draft registration.   Does anyone know the parents of  Isaac Shrum?   Many thanks Sharon Tabor   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sandra, I hate to appear so dense and obtuse, but for the life of me I can't get any results on Ancestry.com's census records of Charles, Charlie, C.J., or Jacob Shrum. Maybe they have Shrum as something different that doesn't come to light in a soundex search? Sharon In a message dated 6/28/2010 2:19:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, twssls@flash.net writes: Sharon, Isaac is in Charlie Shrum's household in 1910. In the 1880 census, I think Charlie was listed as Jacob and his wife was Liza, who was evidently Elizabeth Jane Hargis. According to the 1900 census, Charlie and Jennie have been married for 18 years, so Elizabeth Jane must had died about 1881 or so. She may have died in childbirth and perhaps Isaac was her only child. I have numerous Hargises, but no Elizabeth Jane. Maybe someone will come up with her parents' names. If I find anything more, I'll be in touch. Sandra --- On Mon, 6/28/10, FmlyTracer@aol.com <FmlyTracer@aol.com> wrote: From: FmlyTracer@aol.com <FmlyTracer@aol.com> Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Isaac Newton Shrum 1881-1928 To: tnsmith@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 12:55 PM Thanks. I've been looking in Ancestry.com for names listed in Isaac Newton Shrum Death Certificate and nothing seems to match up. D.C. states Isaac's father was Charlie Shrum, and mother's maiden name was Hargis. The first record I can find of his is the WWI draft registration on Ancestry. I have mutiple Hargis connections by blood and marriage (my mother is a Hargis descended 2 ways from William & Hannah Hargis), and I can't find the connection for Isaac Shrum. Sharon In a message dated 6/28/2010 12:26:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, melbawilkins@msn.com writes: I have Shrum lineage in my family from an aunt - In my data I have Peter Shrum 1767 N.C. - 1871 Macon md Sarah Lovelady 1790 N.C. - 1879 Macon and they had a son Newt who md unknown Hargis and had son Jiner Shrum who md Sallie Eden...You might find more if you look at ancestry...I have not done so. Good luck. Melba PS The Shrum families are mostly from Macon County, as was my aunt Lillie. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Nichols<mailto:wnichols11400@comcast.net> To: tnsmith@rootsweb.com<mailto:tnsmith@rootsweb.com> Cc: tnjackso@rootsweb.com<mailto:tnjackso@rootsweb.com> ; TNMACON@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNMACON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Isaac Newton Shrum 1881-1928 I have been looking in the "Macon Roots" (2008) and there are a lot of Shrum's listed. I found a Newton Isaac Shrum but the dates don't jive. There is listed a Isaac Shrum born in 1859, so the dates don't lineup with your dates. A thought is that I have is Isaac's father was a John Allen Shrum born in 1830 in NC. One of Isaac's brohter was Benjamin born in 1866 and a Henry born in 1864. I wonder if they had a child and named him after their brother. Benjamin married a Mary Hargis. Now there a lot of Hargis families in the latest "Macon Roots" I am following the Nichols family line which follows the Parker family from VA and the Shrum family is listed under the Parker's in the Macon Roots. tu, dr.bill nichols ----- Original Message ----- From: FmlyTracer@aol.com<mailto:FmlyTracer@aol.com> To: tnjackso@rootsweb.com<mailto:tnjackso@rootsweb.com>, TNMACON@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNMACON@rootsweb.com>, TNSMITH@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNSMITH@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 7:04:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [TNSMITH] Isaac Newton Shrum 1881-1928 Isaac Newton Shrum is given in the Alexander Funeral Home records, wife Hattie, father Charles, mother Hargis. The only other information I can find on this person is the 1920 census with wife Hattie and WWI Draft registration. Does anyone know the parents of Isaac Shrum? Many thanks Sharon Tabor ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You can also check familysearch.com. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Sandra & Tom Stephens" <twssls@flash.net> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 2:12 PM To: <tnsmith@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Isaac Newton Shrum 1881-1928 > I do not subscribe to Ancestry - I get my census info through > HeritageQuest. Let me copy the census records I quoted and send to you > off-list, OK? > > It appears from what I see online that Charlie and Isaac (the elder) were > brothers, and the sons of John Allen Shrum and Mary Susannah Leath. > Perhaps your Isaac was named after his uncle. Even if a man went by > "Jr.", it didn't always mean his father was the "Sr." - it could be an > uncle, grandfather, etc. And the early spelling (pretty far back) of > Shrum seems to have been Shramm or Shraam. > > Sandra > > --- On Mon, 6/28/10, FmlyTracer@aol.com <FmlyTracer@aol.com> wrote: > > > From: FmlyTracer@aol.com <FmlyTracer@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Isaac Newton Shrum 1881-1928 > To: tnsmith@rootsweb.com > Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 2:56 PM > > > Sandra, > I hate to appear so dense and obtuse, but for the life of me I can't get > any results on Ancestry.com's census records of Charles, Charlie, C.J., > or > Jacob Shrum. > > Maybe they have Shrum as something different that doesn't come to light in > a soundex search? > > Sharon > > > In a message dated 6/28/2010 2:19:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > twssls@flash.net writes: > > Sharon, Isaac is in Charlie Shrum's household in 1910. In the 1880 > census, I think Charlie was listed as Jacob and his wife was Liza, who > was > evidently Elizabeth Jane Hargis. According to the 1900 census, Charlie > and > Jennie have been married for 18 years, so Elizabeth Jane must had died > about > 1881 or so. She may have died in childbirth and perhaps Isaac was her > only > child. I have numerous Hargises, but no Elizabeth Jane. Maybe someone > will > come up with her parents' names. If I find anything more, I'll be in > touch. > > Sandra > > --- On Mon, 6/28/10, FmlyTracer@aol.com <FmlyTracer@aol.com> wrote: > > > From: FmlyTracer@aol.com <FmlyTracer@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Isaac Newton Shrum 1881-1928 > To: tnsmith@rootsweb.com > Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 12:55 PM > > > Thanks. I've been looking in Ancestry.com for names listed in Isaac > Newton > > Shrum Death Certificate and nothing seems to match up. D.C. states > Isaac's > father was Charlie Shrum, and mother's maiden name was Hargis. > > The first record I can find of his is the WWI draft registration on > Ancestry. > > I have mutiple Hargis connections by blood and marriage (my mother is a > Hargis descended 2 ways from William & Hannah Hargis), and I can't find > the > connection for Isaac Shrum. > > Sharon > > > In a message dated 6/28/2010 12:26:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > melbawilkins@msn.com writes: > > I have Shrum lineage in my family from an aunt - In my data I have Peter > Shrum 1767 N.C. - 1871 Macon md Sarah Lovelady 1790 N.C. - 1879 Macon > and > they had a son Newt who md unknown Hargis and had son Jiner Shrum who md > Sallie Eden...You might find more if you look at ancestry...I have not > done so. > Good luck. Melba > PS The Shrum families are mostly from Macon County, as was my aunt > Lillie. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Nichols<mailto:wnichols11400@comcast.net> > To: tnsmith@rootsweb.com<mailto:tnsmith@rootsweb.com> > Cc: tnjackso@rootsweb.com<mailto:tnjackso@rootsweb.com> ; > TNMACON@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNMACON@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 8:59 AM > Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Isaac Newton Shrum 1881-1928 > > > > > I have been looking in the "Macon Roots" (2008) and there are a lot of > Shrum's listed. I found a Newton Isaac Shrum but the dates don't jive. > There > is listed a Isaac Shrum born in 1859, so the dates don't lineup with > your > dates. > > > > A thought is that I have is Isaac's father was a John Allen Shrum born > in > 1830 in NC. One of Isaac's brohter was Benjamin born in 1866 and a Henry > born in 1864. I wonder if they had a child and named him after their > brother. > Benjamin married a Mary Hargis. > > > > Now there a lot of Hargis families in the latest "Macon Roots" > > > > I am following the Nichols family line which follows the Parker family > from VA and the Shrum family is listed under the Parker's in the Macon > Roots. > > > > tu, > > dr.bill nichols > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: FmlyTracer@aol.com<mailto:FmlyTracer@aol.com> > To: tnjackso@rootsweb.com<mailto:tnjackso@rootsweb.com>, > TNMACON@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNMACON@rootsweb.com>, > TNSMITH@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNSMITH@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 7:04:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [TNSMITH] Isaac Newton Shrum 1881-1928 > > Isaac Newton Shrum is given in the Alexander Funeral Home records, wife > Hattie, father Charles, mother Hargis. > > The only other information I can find on this person is the 1920 census > with wife Hattie and WWI Draft registration. > > Does anyone know the parents of Isaac Shrum? > > Many thanks > Sharon Tabor > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com> with > the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com> with > the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks. I've been looking in Ancestry.com for names listed in Isaac Newton Shrum Death Certificate and nothing seems to match up. D.C. states Isaac's father was Charlie Shrum, and mother's maiden name was Hargis. The first record I can find of his is the WWI draft registration on Ancestry. I have mutiple Hargis connections by blood and marriage (my mother is a Hargis descended 2 ways from William & Hannah Hargis), and I can't find the connection for Isaac Shrum. Sharon In a message dated 6/28/2010 12:26:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, melbawilkins@msn.com writes: I have Shrum lineage in my family from an aunt - In my data I have Peter Shrum 1767 N.C. - 1871 Macon md Sarah Lovelady 1790 N.C. - 1879 Macon and they had a son Newt who md unknown Hargis and had son Jiner Shrum who md Sallie Eden...You might find more if you look at ancestry...I have not done so. Good luck. Melba PS The Shrum families are mostly from Macon County, as was my aunt Lillie. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Nichols<mailto:wnichols11400@comcast.net> To: tnsmith@rootsweb.com<mailto:tnsmith@rootsweb.com> Cc: tnjackso@rootsweb.com<mailto:tnjackso@rootsweb.com> ; TNMACON@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNMACON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Isaac Newton Shrum 1881-1928 I have been looking in the "Macon Roots" (2008) and there are a lot of Shrum's listed. I found a Newton Isaac Shrum but the dates don't jive. There is listed a Isaac Shrum born in 1859, so the dates don't lineup with your dates. A thought is that I have is Isaac's father was a John Allen Shrum born in 1830 in NC. One of Isaac's brohter was Benjamin born in 1866 and a Henry born in 1864. I wonder if they had a child and named him after their brother. Benjamin married a Mary Hargis. Now there a lot of Hargis families in the latest "Macon Roots" I am following the Nichols family line which follows the Parker family from VA and the Shrum family is listed under the Parker's in the Macon Roots. tu, dr.bill nichols ----- Original Message ----- From: FmlyTracer@aol.com<mailto:FmlyTracer@aol.com> To: tnjackso@rootsweb.com<mailto:tnjackso@rootsweb.com>, TNMACON@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNMACON@rootsweb.com>, TNSMITH@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNSMITH@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 7:04:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [TNSMITH] Isaac Newton Shrum 1881-1928 Isaac Newton Shrum is given in the Alexander Funeral Home records, wife Hattie, father Charles, mother Hargis. The only other information I can find on this person is the 1920 census with wife Hattie and WWI Draft registration. Does anyone know the parents of Isaac Shrum? Many thanks Sharon Tabor ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I do not subscribe to Ancestry - I get my census info through HeritageQuest.  Let me copy the census records I quoted and send to you off-list, OK?   It appears from what I see online that Charlie and Isaac (the elder) were brothers, and the sons of John Allen Shrum and Mary Susannah Leath.  Perhaps your Isaac was named after his uncle.  Even if a man went by "Jr.", it didn't always mean his father was the "Sr." - it could be an uncle, grandfather, etc.  And the early spelling (pretty far back) of Shrum seems to have been Shramm or Shraam.   Sandra --- On Mon, 6/28/10, FmlyTracer@aol.com <FmlyTracer@aol.com> wrote: From: FmlyTracer@aol.com <FmlyTracer@aol.com> Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Isaac Newton Shrum 1881-1928 To: tnsmith@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 2:56 PM Sandra, I hate to appear so dense and obtuse, but for the life of me I can't get  any results on Ancestry.com's census records of Charles, Charlie, C.J.,  or Jacob Shrum.  Maybe they have Shrum as something different that doesn't come to light in  a soundex search? Sharon In a message dated 6/28/2010 2:19:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  twssls@flash.net writes: Sharon,  Isaac is in Charlie Shrum's household in 1910.  In the 1880 census, I  think Charlie was listed as Jacob and his wife was Liza, who was evidently  Elizabeth Jane Hargis.  According to the 1900 census, Charlie and Jennie  have been married for 18 years, so Elizabeth Jane must had died about 1881 or  so.  She may have died in childbirth and perhaps Isaac was her only  child.  I have numerous Hargises, but no Elizabeth Jane.  Maybe  someone will come up with her parents' names.  If I find anything more,  I'll be in touch. Sandra --- On Mon, 6/28/10,  FmlyTracer@aol.com <FmlyTracer@aol.com> wrote: From:  FmlyTracer@aol.com <FmlyTracer@aol.com> Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Isaac  Newton Shrum 1881-1928 To: tnsmith@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, June 28,  2010, 12:55 PM Thanks. I've been looking in Ancestry.com for names  listed in Isaac Newton Shrum Death Certificate and nothing seems to  match up.  D.C. states Isaac's father was Charlie Shrum, and mother's  maiden name was Hargis. The first record I can find of his is the WWI  draft registration on  Ancestry. I have mutiple Hargis  connections by blood and marriage (my mother is a  Hargis descended 2  ways from William & Hannah Hargis), and I can't find the    connection for Isaac Shrum. Sharon In a message dated  6/28/2010 12:26:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  melbawilkins@msn.com  writes: I have  Shrum lineage in my family from an aunt - In my  data I have Peter Shrum 1767  N.C. - 1871 Macon md Sarah Lovelady  1790 N.C. - 1879 Macon and they had a son  Newt who md unknown Hargis  and had son Jiner Shrum who md Sallie Eden...You  might find more if  you look at ancestry...I have not done so. Good luck.  Melba PS  The Shrum families are mostly from Macon County, as was my aunt  Lillie.  ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill   Nichols<mailto:wnichols11400@comcast.net> To:   tnsmith@rootsweb.com<mailto:tnsmith@rootsweb.com> Cc:   tnjackso@rootsweb.com<mailto:tnjackso@rootsweb.com> ;    TNMACON@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNMACON@rootsweb.com> Sent:   Monday, June 28, 2010 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Isaac Newton   Shrum 1881-1928 I have been looking in the "Macon   Roots" (2008) and there are a lot of Shrum's listed. I found a Newton  Isaac  Shrum but the dates don't jive. There is listed a Isaac Shrum  born in 1859, so  the dates don't lineup with your dates.  A thought is  that I have is Isaac's father was a John  Allen Shrum born in 1830 in NC. One  of Isaac's brohter was Benjamin  born in 1866 and a Henry born in 1864. I  wonder if they had a child  and named him after their brother. Benjamin married  a Mary Hargis.  Now there a lot of Hargis families in  the latest "Macon  Roots" I am following the Nichols  family line which  follows the Parker family from VA and the Shrum family is  listed  under the Parker's in the Macon Roots. tu,    dr.bill nichols ----- Original Message  -----  From: FmlyTracer@aol.com<mailto:FmlyTracer@aol.com>  To:  tnjackso@rootsweb.com<mailto:tnjackso@rootsweb.com>,    TNMACON@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNMACON@rootsweb.com>,    TNSMITH@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNSMITH@rootsweb.com> Sent:   Monday, June 28, 2010 7:04:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject:  [TNSMITH] Isaac Newton Shrum 1881-1928 Isaac Newton  Shrum is  given in the Alexander Funeral Home records, wife Hattie,  father  Charles, mother Hargis. The only other information I can  find on  this person is the 1920 census with wife Hattie and WWI  Draft  registration. Does anyone know the parents of Isaac  Shrum?  Many thanks Sharon Tabor -------------------------------  To unsubscribe from the list,  please send an email to    TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com>  with  the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and  the body of the  message ------------------------------- To  unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to    TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com>  with  the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and  the body of the  message ------------------------------- To  unsubscribe from the  list, please send an email to  TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com with the word  'unsubscribe' without the  quotes in the subject and the body of the   message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the  list, please send an email to TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com with the word  'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the  message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the  list, please send an email to TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com with the word  'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the  message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks! Sharon In a message dated 6/28/2010 9:53:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, twssls@flash.net writes: There is an entry on WorldConnect for a Charles Jacob "Jake" Shrum who married Elizabeth Jane Hargis. Only 2 children are listed for them. He is in the 1900 census, listed as C.J., in Trousdale Co., with what appears to be a second wife, named Jennie. Then he is in Sumner Co., listed as Charlie, in 1910. I didn't look further. Sandra --- On Mon, 6/28/10, FmlyTracer@aol.com <FmlyTracer@aol.com> wrote: From: FmlyTracer@aol.com <FmlyTracer@aol.com> Subject: [TNSMITH] Isaac Newton Shrum 1881-1928 To: tnjackso@rootsweb.com, TNMACON@rootsweb.com, TNSMITH@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 6:04 AM Isaac Newton Shrum is given in the Alexander Funeral Home records, wife Hattie, father Charles, mother Hargis. The only other information I can find on this person is the 1920 census with wife Hattie and WWI Draft registration. Does anyone know the parents of Isaac Shrum? Many thanks Sharon Tabor ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sharon, Isaac is in Charlie Shrum's household in 1910.  In the 1880 census, I think Charlie was listed as Jacob and his wife was Liza, who was evidently Elizabeth Jane Hargis.  According to the 1900 census, Charlie and Jennie have been married for 18 years, so Elizabeth Jane must had died about 1881 or so.  She may have died in childbirth and perhaps Isaac was her only child.  I have numerous Hargises, but no Elizabeth Jane.  Maybe someone will come up with her parents' names.  If I find anything more, I'll be in touch.   Sandra --- On Mon, 6/28/10, FmlyTracer@aol.com <FmlyTracer@aol.com> wrote: From: FmlyTracer@aol.com <FmlyTracer@aol.com> Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Isaac Newton Shrum 1881-1928 To: tnsmith@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 12:55 PM Thanks. I've been looking in Ancestry.com for names listed in Isaac Newton  Shrum Death Certificate and nothing seems to match up.  D.C. states Isaac's father was Charlie Shrum, and mother's maiden name was Hargis. The first record I can find of his is the WWI draft registration on  Ancestry. I have mutiple Hargis connections by blood and marriage (my mother is a  Hargis descended 2 ways from William & Hannah Hargis), and I can't find the  connection for Isaac Shrum. Sharon In a message dated 6/28/2010 12:26:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  melbawilkins@msn.com writes: I have  Shrum lineage in my family from an aunt - In my data I have Peter Shrum 1767  N.C. - 1871 Macon md Sarah Lovelady 1790 N.C. - 1879 Macon and they had a son  Newt who md unknown Hargis and had son Jiner Shrum who md Sallie Eden...You  might find more if you look at ancestry...I have not done so. Good luck.  Melba PS The Shrum families are mostly from Macon County, as was my aunt  Lillie. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill  Nichols<mailto:wnichols11400@comcast.net> To:  tnsmith@rootsweb.com<mailto:tnsmith@rootsweb.com> Cc:  tnjackso@rootsweb.com<mailto:tnjackso@rootsweb.com> ;  TNMACON@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNMACON@rootsweb.com> Sent:  Monday, June 28, 2010 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Isaac Newton  Shrum 1881-1928 I have been looking in the "Macon  Roots" (2008) and there are a lot of Shrum's listed. I found a Newton Isaac  Shrum but the dates don't jive. There is listed a Isaac Shrum born in 1859, so  the dates don't lineup with your dates. A thought is  that I have is Isaac's father was a John Allen Shrum born in 1830 in NC. One  of Isaac's brohter was Benjamin born in 1866 and a Henry born in 1864. I  wonder if they had a child and named him after their brother. Benjamin married  a Mary Hargis. Now there a lot of Hargis families in  the latest "Macon Roots" I am following the Nichols  family line which follows the Parker family from VA and the Shrum family is  listed under the Parker's in the Macon Roots. tu,  dr.bill nichols ----- Original Message  ----- From: FmlyTracer@aol.com<mailto:FmlyTracer@aol.com>  To: tnjackso@rootsweb.com<mailto:tnjackso@rootsweb.com>,  TNMACON@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNMACON@rootsweb.com>,  TNSMITH@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNSMITH@rootsweb.com> Sent:  Monday, June 28, 2010 7:04:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [TNSMITH] Isaac Newton Shrum 1881-1928 Isaac Newton  Shrum is given in the Alexander Funeral Home records, wife Hattie,  father Charles, mother Hargis. The only other information I can  find on this person is the 1920 census with wife Hattie and WWI  Draft registration. Does anyone know the parents of Isaac  Shrum? Many thanks Sharon Tabor ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list,  please send an email to  TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com> with  the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the  message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to  TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com> with  the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the  message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the  list, please send an email to TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com with the word  'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the  message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have Shrum lineage in my family from an aunt - In my data I have Peter Shrum 1767 N.C. - 1871 Macon md Sarah Lovelady 1790 N.C. - 1879 Macon and they had a son Newt who md unknown Hargis and had son Jiner Shrum who md Sallie Eden...You might find more if you look at ancestry...I have not done so. Good luck. Melba PS The Shrum families are mostly from Macon County, as was my aunt Lillie. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Nichols<mailto:wnichols11400@comcast.net> To: tnsmith@rootsweb.com<mailto:tnsmith@rootsweb.com> Cc: tnjackso@rootsweb.com<mailto:tnjackso@rootsweb.com> ; TNMACON@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNMACON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Isaac Newton Shrum 1881-1928 I have been looking in the "Macon Roots" (2008) and there are a lot of Shrum's listed. I found a Newton Isaac Shrum but the dates don't jive. There is listed a Isaac Shrum born in 1859, so the dates don't lineup with your dates. A thought is that I have is Isaac's father was a John Allen Shrum born in 1830 in NC. One of Isaac's brohter was Benjamin born in 1866 and a Henry born in 1864. I wonder if they had a child and named him after their brother. Benjamin married a Mary Hargis. Now there a lot of Hargis families in the latest "Macon Roots" I am following the Nichols family line which follows the Parker family from VA and the Shrum family is listed under the Parker's in the Macon Roots. tu, dr.bill nichols ----- Original Message ----- From: FmlyTracer@aol.com<mailto:FmlyTracer@aol.com> To: tnjackso@rootsweb.com<mailto:tnjackso@rootsweb.com>, TNMACON@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNMACON@rootsweb.com>, TNSMITH@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNSMITH@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 7:04:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [TNSMITH] Isaac Newton Shrum 1881-1928 Isaac Newton Shrum is given in the Alexander Funeral Home records, wife Hattie, father Charles, mother Hargis. The only other information I can find on this person is the 1920 census with wife Hattie and WWI Draft registration. Does anyone know the parents of Isaac Shrum? Many thanks Sharon Tabor ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Isaac Newton Shrum is given in the Alexander Funeral Home records, wife Hattie, father Charles, mother Hargis. The only other information I can find on this person is the 1920 census with wife Hattie and WWI Draft registration. Does anyone know the parents of Isaac Shrum? Many thanks Sharon Tabor

There is an entry on WorldConnect for a Charles Jacob "Jake" Shrum who married Elizabeth Jane Hargis.  Only 2 children are listed for them.  He is in the 1900 census, listed as C.J., in Trousdale Co., with what appears to be a second wife, named Jennie.  Then he is in Sumner Co., listed as Charlie, in 1910.  I didn't look further.   Sandra --- On Mon, 6/28/10, FmlyTracer@aol.com <FmlyTracer@aol.com> wrote: From: FmlyTracer@aol.com <FmlyTracer@aol.com> Subject: [TNSMITH] Isaac Newton Shrum 1881-1928 To: tnjackso@rootsweb.com, TNMACON@rootsweb.com, TNSMITH@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 6:04 AM Isaac Newton Shrum is given in the Alexander Funeral Home records, wife  Hattie, father Charles, mother Hargis. The only other information I can find on this person is the 1920 census  with wife Hattie and WWI Draft registration. Does anyone know the parents of  Isaac Shrum? Many thanks Sharon Tabor ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John A Hughes Born about 1805 somewhere in VA, Died after 1850. This conclusion comes from the fact he is not found in the census after 1850. I am looking for any information on him available. He married Nancy Unknown Maiden Carver. She had three Carver Children. John Leer, Elizabeth Isadora, William Riley Carver. She and John had 2 children Nancy S Hughes and Zachary Hughes. Searching for John/John A Hughes Thank you Jeannie Reunion 2010. July 17th, Schochoh, Logan County, Kentucky USA 10:00 AM to 4:PM All Welcome 3720 Schochoh Road, Hwy 663, Adairville, KY, Logan County, KY Maternal Surnames: CassityCassetty/Casada/Casaday/Cassidy/Cassitdy/Caskey/Casty Etc Spelling of the name, Climer, Dalton, Davis, Dycus, Green, Harton, Holland, Hughes, Hull, Jackson, Key, King, Kirby, Knight, Law, Lawler, Lee, Long, Manson, Marrow, Massey, McInnis, McKinnis, Newberry, Patterson, Pike, Ramsey, Sircy, Soyars, Thomas, Welch, Witcher, Young Fathernal Surnames: Adams, Brooks, Bull, Burchfield, Chenault, Cohen, Conn, Coon, Duncan, Gilkey, Gregory, Jamison, Long, Lowe, Lowery, Norwood, Peeler, Pressley, Searcy, Shomaker/Shumaker, Thomlin, White, Williams Spouse: Blanton, Burchett, Coldiron, Fairchild, Conley, Long, Williams, Howard, Picklesimer

William Riley Carver DOB 1838 DOD Unknown Parents John A Hughes and Nancy Unknown Maiden Name Carver Hughes Smith/Jackson County In Smith County Census Jeannie Reunion 2010. July 17th, Schochoh, Logan County, Kentucky USA 10:00 AM to 4:PM All Welcome Maternal Surnames: CassityCassetty/Casada/Casaday/Cassidy/Cassitdy/Caskey/Casty Etc Spelling of the name, Climer, Dalton, Davis, Dycus, Green, Harton, Holland, Hughes, Hull, Jackson, Key, King, Kirby, Knight, Law, Lawler, Lee, Long, Manson, Marrow, Massey, McInnis, McKinnis, Newberry, Patterson, Pike, Ramsey, Sircy, Soyars, Thomas, Welch, Witcher, Young Fathernal Surnames: Adams, Brooks, Bull, Burchfield, Chenault, Cohen, Conn, Coon, Duncan, Gilkey, Gregory, Jamison, Long, Lowe, Lowery, Norwood, Peeler, Pressley, Searcy, Shomaker/Shumaker, Thomlin, White, Williams Spouse: Blanton, Burchett, Coldiron, Fairchild, Conley, Long, Williams, Howard, Picklesimer

Thanks for the email Francie. I will hold on to it at least until I get The Collie Family of Pittsylvania Co., VA book and will let you know where I stand then. Bob Reese On Jun 25, 2010, at 10:40 PM, Francie Lane wrote: > Bob, > If you discover your Collie family in Pittsylvania Co., VA, and > then find > yourself stuck going further back in time, I would suggest that you > might > take a look at Edward Colley and wife Mary [Strong] Colley. They > resided > in Mecklenburg Co., VA, married in 1751, and had 20 children. > > James R. Rolff has written two books on his Strong family, > and goes > into > detail on the Colleys. Mary [Strong] Colley's Strong brothers > filtered down to to what became Pittsylvania / Henry Counties, VA and > it's possible that some of the Colley children followed their uncles. > > As I said, James R. Rolff has written two Strong books, but the > recently revised edition is what you would want if you are able to > pinpoint > your Collie ancestor in or around Pittsylvania Co.: > > "Strong Family of Virginia & Other Southern States" > by James Robert Rolff - privately published 2007 > > If you're interested in purchasing the book, contact me & I'll > put you > in touch with the author. > > Francie > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Bob, If you discover your Collie family in Pittsylvania Co., VA, and then find yourself stuck going further back in time, I would suggest that you might take a look at Edward Colley and wife Mary [Strong] Colley. They resided in Mecklenburg Co., VA, married in 1751, and had 20 children. James R. Rolff has written two books on his Strong family, and goes into detail on the Colleys. Mary [Strong] Colley's Strong brothers filtered down to to what became Pittsylvania / Henry Counties, VA and it's possible that some of the Colley children followed their uncles. As I said, James R. Rolff has written two Strong books, but the recently revised edition is what you would want if you are able to pinpoint your Collie ancestor in or around Pittsylvania Co.: "Strong Family of Virginia & Other Southern States" by James Robert Rolff - privately published 2007 If you're interested in purchasing the book, contact me & I'll put you in touch with the author. Francie

Okay I will let you know. I expect to find at least some good facts. Bob On Jun 25, 2010, at 5:00 PM, Sandra & Tom Stephens wrote: > Great! Let us know if you find anything of worth in the book, will > you? I'm always interested to see what others find on their families. > > S. > > --- On Fri, 6/25/10, Robert L Reese <acecoop@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > From: Robert L Reese <acecoop@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] The Collie Family of Pittsylvania Co., VA > To: tnsmith@rootsweb.com > Date: Friday, June 25, 2010, 6:29 PM > > > Dear Sandra, > I did find the book at Google Books, it was available at about 7 > libraries, and I got my library to check it out on Interlibrary Loan. > I'm sure it will take a while to get to my local library. > Thanks again. Bob Reese > > On Jun 25, 2010, at 5:55 AM, Sandra & Tom Stephens wrote: > >> Bob, if you will go to Google Books, type in the title, then over on >> the right hit Find a Library, there are 6 libraries listed which >> have the book, including the Library of Virginia. >> >> Sandra > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNSMITH-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message