That is the way that copyright has been explained to me. You can only copyright your own work.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Knight" <maryknight@famvid.com> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] History of Smith county > > > If I had the book and it as legal to do so I would gladly do a site and > transcribe it. Everyone needs all the help we can get in research. > Helen > > I have a copy of the original book of North Carolina Wills and Inventories > by J. Bryan Grimes published in 1912. It has been republished by (can't > think of the publisher at the moment) but I was posting stuff from the > book and was told I was told that because it had been republished it was > copyrighted. I called the publisher and they told me that the only thing > they could copyright was their new index and that I could post or publish > anything I wanted from my original copy. > I've see where some county histories from 1880's 1890's era have been > republished but I don't believe anyone can copyright the orginal work if > they republish it. They can only copyright their version which would > probably only include a new index. > So Helen if I understand all this correctly, if you find a copy of an > original publication of Goodspeeds you can transcribe it and put it > anywhere you want. > > Mary Knight > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories > Wills, Fokelore, To The Smith Co Web Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ > >

Was this the History of Smith County compiled about 1985?

Sho nuff chile. There is enough out there to keep us all busy for a hundred years. Don Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patti McNeal" <cyclewidowpatti@yahoo.com> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] History of Smith county > Thanks for the heads up. I guess I'm protective because though not > published for profit, I am a passioned writer and would be irritated to > say the least if someone profited from my work. > > Don Kelly <ocollaugh@comcast.net> wrote:Patti, I am a zealot when it comes > to protection of creative works. > > This passion bores right down to protecting what you create for your own > county website, and to the state and federal projects as well. > > Although my research is not infallible, I looked into the Goodspeeds works > ten years ago and found no legal bars to displaying those works. > > Nevertheless, I still credit everything donated to my websites, whether > under copyright or not. > > One file that helps me to do that is a permissive file folder. If anyone > ever challenges anything I post, I can provide the name of the person who > gave the works to me. > > It just makes good sense to credit and protect our submitters, thus > encourage broader base of submissions to enable massive growth of our > local, > and state, projects. > > With all that, I still abhor those who sell for profit the works of > others. > > Thanks for asking. This is IMHO. > > Don Kelly, descendent of William Owen of Smith, TN era 1833. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randy Crain" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 8:39 AM > Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] History of Smith county > > >> Definition: A public domain work is a creative work that is not protected >> by copyright and >> which may be freely used by everyone. The reasons that the work is not >> protected include: >> (1) the term of copyright for the work has expired; (2) the author failed >> to satisfy statutory >> formalities to perfect the copyright or (3) the work is a work of the >> U.S. >> Government. >> >> >> Published before 1923 In public domain None >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Patti McNeal" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 10:26 AM >> Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] History of Smith county >> >> >>> O.K. but do we know if there are heirs with rights?? Just asking. Patti >>> >>> Don Kelly wrote:On the other hand, Goodspeeds >>> bios were printed in the late 1800s, well over >>> 70 years ago. >>> DonK >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Patti McNeal" >>> To: >>> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 7:33 AM >>> Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] History of Smith county >>> >>> >>>> It sure sounds like copyright infringement to me. >>>> >>>> Patti McNeal >>>> >>>> Linda Lewis wrote: >>>> On ebay, there is a history of Smith county. A sixty nine page extract >>>> from Goodspeed. Is it illegal for these people to copy and print >>>> portions >>>> of these books and then sell them on places like ebay. >>>> Linda >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >>>> Visit The Smith Co Web Site >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------- >>>> Yahoo! for Good >>>> Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >>>> Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project... >>>> Already in Progress! >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm >>>> >>> >>> >>> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >>> Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories >>> Wills, Fokelore, To The Smith Co Web Project >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ >>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >>> Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project. >>> Already In Progress! >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm >>> >> >> >> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >> Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories >> Wills, Fokelore, To The Smith Co Web Project >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ >> > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories > Wills, Fokelore,Links To The Smith Co Web Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories > Wills, Fokelore, To The Smith Co Web Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ >

Thanks for the heads up. I guess I'm protective because though not published for profit, I am a passioned writer and would be irritated to say the least if someone profited from my work. Don Kelly <ocollaugh@comcast.net> wrote:Patti, I am a zealot when it comes to protection of creative works. This passion bores right down to protecting what you create for your own county website, and to the state and federal projects as well. Although my research is not infallible, I looked into the Goodspeeds works ten years ago and found no legal bars to displaying those works. Nevertheless, I still credit everything donated to my websites, whether under copyright or not. One file that helps me to do that is a permissive file folder. If anyone ever challenges anything I post, I can provide the name of the person who gave the works to me. It just makes good sense to credit and protect our submitters, thus encourage broader base of submissions to enable massive growth of our local, and state, projects. With all that, I still abhor those who sell for profit the works of others. Thanks for asking. This is IMHO. Don Kelly, descendent of William Owen of Smith, TN era 1833. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Crain" To: Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] History of Smith county > Definition: A public domain work is a creative work that is not protected > by copyright and > which may be freely used by everyone. The reasons that the work is not > protected include: > (1) the term of copyright for the work has expired; (2) the author failed > to satisfy statutory > formalities to perfect the copyright or (3) the work is a work of the U.S. > Government. > > > Published before 1923 In public domain None > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patti McNeal" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 10:26 AM > Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] History of Smith county > > >> O.K. but do we know if there are heirs with rights?? Just asking. Patti >> >> Don Kelly wrote:On the other hand, Goodspeeds >> bios were printed in the late 1800s, well over >> 70 years ago. >> DonK >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Patti McNeal" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 7:33 AM >> Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] History of Smith county >> >> >>> It sure sounds like copyright infringement to me. >>> >>> Patti McNeal >>> >>> Linda Lewis wrote: >>> On ebay, there is a history of Smith county. A sixty nine page extract >>> from Goodspeed. Is it illegal for these people to copy and print >>> portions >>> of these books and then sell them on places like ebay. >>> Linda >>> >>> >>> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >>> Visit The Smith Co Web Site >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> Yahoo! for Good >>> Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. >>> >>> >>> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >>> Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project... >>> Already in Progress! >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm >>> >> >> >> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >> Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories >> Wills, Fokelore, To The Smith Co Web Project >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >> Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project. >> Already In Progress! >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm >> > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories > Wills, Fokelore, To The Smith Co Web Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories Wills, Fokelore,Links To The Smith Co Web Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Re; Smith County History Book: I am wondering, with all the correspondence concerning the Smith County History Book, if they are no longer available? I bought a copy from Smith County Historical Society in 2003. It is a wonderful reference book of over 800 pages. Curt Johnson in OK

If I had the book and it as legal to do so I would gladly do a site and transcribe it. Everyone needs all the help we can get in research. Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Kelly" <ocollaugh@comcast.net> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] History of Smith county > It was and is great. > > I always wondered how broad a net he cast......how many bios he wrote, and > where did he write them. > > He captured my great grandfather Kelly in Arkansas and my ggfather(s) > Williamson and Beebe in Iowa. > > It would be nice if this individual shared his/her treasure trove. It > would also be nice if someone compiled all of Goodspeeds works on one > searchable database. > > I can dream can't I?<G> > > Don Kelly > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Fantasyland" <fantasyland@earthlink.net> > To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 8:20 AM > Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] History of Smith county > > >> Yes, Don.....I think you are right.....they are in Public Domain.......I >> wish someone had the whole book to share...I'm sure many of us would love >> to >> have it for research..... >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Don Kelly" <ocollaugh@comcast.net> >> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 7:56 AM >> Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] History of Smith county >> >> >>> On the other hand, Goodspeeds bios were printed in the late 1800s, well >> over >>> 70 years ago. >>> DonK >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Patti McNeal" <cyclewidowpatti@yahoo.com> >>> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 7:33 AM >>> Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] History of Smith county >>> >>> >>> > It sure sounds like copyright infringement to me. >>> > >>> > Patti McNeal >>> > >>> > Linda Lewis <llewis001@centurytel.net> wrote: >>> > On ebay, there is a history of Smith county. A sixty nine page extract >>> > from Goodspeed. Is it illegal for these people to copy and print >> portions >>> > of these books and then sell them on places like ebay. >>> > Linda >>> > >>> > >>> > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >>> > Visit The Smith Co Web Site >>> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > --------------------------------- >>> > Yahoo! for Good >>> > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. >>> > >>> > >>> > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >>> > Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project... >>> > Already in Progress! >>> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm >>> > >>> >>> >>> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >>> Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories >>> Wills, Fokelore, To The Smith Co Web Project >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >> Smith County Cemeteries North and South Of The Cumberland River >> at The Smith County Historical and Genealogical Society website: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/hg/cems_north/ >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/hg/cems_south/ >> > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project... > Already in Progress! http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm > >

In a message dated 9/25/2005 11:48:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, llewis001@centurytel.net writes: Are you an attorney Randy? Sounds like you know all about the copyright laws. I sure didn't - that's why I brought it to the list. Linda ------- _http://www.pddoc.com/copyright/genealogy_copyright_fundamentals.htm_ (http://www.pddoc.com/copyright/genealogy_copyright_fundamentals.htm) This may help. Sharon

Linda i have the goodspeed history of Smith County it is a public domain work and many counties including Smith are already online... we transcribed them a few years ago.... http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/goodspeedsmith.htm and http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/goodspeedsmithbio.htm Also tngenweb has a webpage on goodspeed history: http://www.tngenweb.org/goodspeed/ Charlie @ the website Linda Lewis wrote: > On ebay, there is a history of Smith county. A sixty nine page extract from Goodspeed. Is it illegal for these people to copy and print portions of these books and then sell them on places like ebay. > Linda > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Visit The Smith Co Web Site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ >

Re Frances / Fanny Kemp Hi Mary, I don't personally have any documents stating that the maiden name of Frances / Fanny Carter was Kemp, but according to other relatives, Frances Kemp is the name listed on the death certificate of her youngest son, Houston Carter, who was born in about 1847 in Warren County, KY. I am hoping to receive a copy of the Houston's death certificate within the next few days. Also, with the exception of the initials JF that were engraved on the grave marker of one of her sons, as far as I know, the only way her name is ever listed is Frances or Fanny. Thanks for your help ~ Judy

Are you an attorney Randy? Sounds like you know all about the copyright laws. I sure didn't - that's why I brought it to the list. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Crain" <rscrain@comcast.net> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] History of Smith county > Definition: A public domain work is a creative work that is not protected > by copyright and > which may be freely used by everyone. The reasons that the work is not > protected include: > (1) the term of copyright for the work has expired; (2) the author failed > to satisfy statutory > formalities to perfect the copyright or (3) the work is a work of the U.S. > Government. > > > Published before 1923 In public domain None > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patti McNeal" <cyclewidowpatti@yahoo.com> > To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 10:26 AM > Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] History of Smith county > > >> O.K. but do we know if there are heirs with rights?? Just asking. Patti >> >> Don Kelly <ocollaugh@comcast.net> wrote:On the other hand, Goodspeeds >> bios were printed in the late 1800s, well over >> 70 years ago. >> DonK >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Patti McNeal" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 7:33 AM >> Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] History of Smith county >> >> >>> It sure sounds like copyright infringement to me. >>> >>> Patti McNeal >>> >>> Linda Lewis wrote: >>> On ebay, there is a history of Smith county. A sixty nine page extract >>> from Goodspeed. Is it illegal for these people to copy and print >>> portions >>> of these books and then sell them on places like ebay. >>> Linda >>> >>> >>> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >>> Visit The Smith Co Web Site >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> Yahoo! for Good >>> Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. >>> >>> >>> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >>> Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project... >>> Already in Progress! >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm >>> >> >> >> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >> Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories >> Wills, Fokelore, To The Smith Co Web Project >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >> Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project. >> Already In Progress! >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm >> > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories > Wills, Fokelore, To The Smith Co Web Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ > > >

Definition: A public domain work is a creative work that is not protected by copyright and which may be freely used by everyone. The reasons that the work is not protected include: (1) the term of copyright for the work has expired; (2) the author failed to satisfy statutory formalities to perfect the copyright or (3) the work is a work of the U.S. Government. Published before 1923 In public domain None ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patti McNeal" <cyclewidowpatti@yahoo.com> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] History of Smith county > O.K. but do we know if there are heirs with rights?? Just asking. Patti > > Don Kelly <ocollaugh@comcast.net> wrote:On the other hand, Goodspeeds bios > were printed in the late 1800s, well over > 70 years ago. > DonK > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patti McNeal" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 7:33 AM > Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] History of Smith county > > >> It sure sounds like copyright infringement to me. >> >> Patti McNeal >> >> Linda Lewis wrote: >> On ebay, there is a history of Smith county. A sixty nine page extract >> from Goodspeed. Is it illegal for these people to copy and print portions >> of these books and then sell them on places like ebay. >> Linda >> >> >> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >> Visit The Smith Co Web Site >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Yahoo! for Good >> Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. >> >> >> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >> Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project... >> Already in Progress! >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm >> > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories > Wills, Fokelore, To The Smith Co Web Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project. > Already In Progress! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm >

Well, I went ahead and contacted ebay about it this morning, just to let them know. Cause it doesn't sound right to me either. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patti McNeal" <cyclewidowpatti@yahoo.com> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] History of Smith county > It sure sounds like copyright infringement to me. > > Patti McNeal > > Linda Lewis <llewis001@centurytel.net> wrote: > On ebay, there is a history of Smith county. A sixty nine page extract > from Goodspeed. Is it illegal for these people to copy and print portions > of these books and then sell them on places like ebay. > Linda > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Visit The Smith Co Web Site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project... > Already in Progress! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm > > >

Thanks Linda. Now I can see if my Owen guys are in it, though I believe they may have been in Missouri when Goodspeeds came through interviewing citizens. Don Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Gregory" <gregoryc@charter.net> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 9:26 AM Subject: [TNSMITH] History of Smith county - Goodspeed version > Linda > > i have the goodspeed history of Smith County it > is a public domain work and many counties including > Smith are already online... we transcribed them a few > years ago.... > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/goodspeedsmith.htm > > and > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/goodspeedsmithbio.htm > > Also tngenweb has a webpage on goodspeed history: > > http://www.tngenweb.org/goodspeed/ > > Charlie @ the website > > > > > > Linda Lewis wrote: >> On ebay, there is a history of Smith county. A sixty nine page extract >> from Goodspeed. Is it illegal for these people to copy and print >> portions of these books and then sell them on places like ebay. Linda >> >> >> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >> Visit The Smith Co Web Site >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ >> > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories > Wills, Fokelore, To The Smith Co Web Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ >

It was and is great. I always wondered how broad a net he cast......how many bios he wrote, and where did he write them. He captured my great grandfather Kelly in Arkansas and my ggfather(s) Williamson and Beebe in Iowa. It would be nice if this individual shared his/her treasure trove. It would also be nice if someone compiled all of Goodspeeds works on one searchable database. I can dream can't I?<G> Don Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Fantasyland" <fantasyland@earthlink.net> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] History of Smith county > Yes, Don.....I think you are right.....they are in Public Domain.......I > wish someone had the whole book to share...I'm sure many of us would love > to > have it for research..... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Kelly" <ocollaugh@comcast.net> > To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 7:56 AM > Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] History of Smith county > > >> On the other hand, Goodspeeds bios were printed in the late 1800s, well > over >> 70 years ago. >> DonK >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Patti McNeal" <cyclewidowpatti@yahoo.com> >> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 7:33 AM >> Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] History of Smith county >> >> >> > It sure sounds like copyright infringement to me. >> > >> > Patti McNeal >> > >> > Linda Lewis <llewis001@centurytel.net> wrote: >> > On ebay, there is a history of Smith county. A sixty nine page extract >> > from Goodspeed. Is it illegal for these people to copy and print > portions >> > of these books and then sell them on places like ebay. >> > Linda >> > >> > >> > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >> > Visit The Smith Co Web Site >> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ >> > >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------- >> > Yahoo! for Good >> > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. >> > >> > >> > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >> > Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project... >> > Already in Progress! >> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm >> > >> >> >> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >> Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories >> Wills, Fokelore, To The Smith Co Web Project >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ >> >> > > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Smith County Cemeteries North and South Of The Cumberland River > at The Smith County Historical and Genealogical Society website: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/hg/cems_north/ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/hg/cems_south/ >

Patti, I am a zealot when it comes to protection of creative works. This passion bores right down to protecting what you create for your own county website, and to the state and federal projects as well. Although my research is not infallible, I looked into the Goodspeeds works ten years ago and found no legal bars to displaying those works. Nevertheless, I still credit everything donated to my websites, whether under copyright or not. One file that helps me to do that is a permissive file folder. If anyone ever challenges anything I post, I can provide the name of the person who gave the works to me. It just makes good sense to credit and protect our submitters, thus encourage broader base of submissions to enable massive growth of our local, and state, projects. With all that, I still abhor those who sell for profit the works of others. Thanks for asking. This is IMHO. Don Kelly, descendent of William Owen of Smith, TN era 1833. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Crain" <rscrain@comcast.net> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] History of Smith county > Definition: A public domain work is a creative work that is not protected > by copyright and > which may be freely used by everyone. The reasons that the work is not > protected include: > (1) the term of copyright for the work has expired; (2) the author failed > to satisfy statutory > formalities to perfect the copyright or (3) the work is a work of the U.S. > Government. > > > Published before 1923 In public domain None > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patti McNeal" <cyclewidowpatti@yahoo.com> > To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 10:26 AM > Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] History of Smith county > > >> O.K. but do we know if there are heirs with rights?? Just asking. Patti >> >> Don Kelly <ocollaugh@comcast.net> wrote:On the other hand, Goodspeeds >> bios were printed in the late 1800s, well over >> 70 years ago. >> DonK >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Patti McNeal" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 7:33 AM >> Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] History of Smith county >> >> >>> It sure sounds like copyright infringement to me. >>> >>> Patti McNeal >>> >>> Linda Lewis wrote: >>> On ebay, there is a history of Smith county. A sixty nine page extract >>> from Goodspeed. Is it illegal for these people to copy and print >>> portions >>> of these books and then sell them on places like ebay. >>> Linda >>> >>> >>> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >>> Visit The Smith Co Web Site >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> Yahoo! for Good >>> Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. >>> >>> >>> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >>> Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project... >>> Already in Progress! >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm >>> >> >> >> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >> Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories >> Wills, Fokelore, To The Smith Co Web Project >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >> Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project. >> Already In Progress! >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm >> > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories > Wills, Fokelore, To The Smith Co Web Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ >

Ebay also had copies of DILLARD death certificates from 1908 to 1954 I believe it is. If you type Smith County into the search engine on ebay they will come up

If there is any question you can always contact ebay and they will check it out. ----- Original Message ----- From: <FmlyTracer@aol.com> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] History of Smith county > > In a message dated 9/25/2005 11:48:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > llewis001@centurytel.net writes: > > Are you an attorney Randy? Sounds like you know all about the copyright > laws. I sure didn't - that's why I brought it to the list. > Linda > > > > > ------- > > _http://www.pddoc.com/copyright/genealogy_copyright_fundamentals.htm_ > (http://www.pddoc.com/copyright/genealogy_copyright_fundamentals.htm) > > This may help. > > Sharon > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories > Wills, Fokelore, To The Smith Co Web Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ > >

O.K. but do we know if there are heirs with rights?? Just asking. Patti Don Kelly <ocollaugh@comcast.net> wrote:On the other hand, Goodspeeds bios were printed in the late 1800s, well over 70 years ago. DonK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patti McNeal" To: Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] History of Smith county > It sure sounds like copyright infringement to me. > > Patti McNeal > > Linda Lewis wrote: > On ebay, there is a history of Smith county. A sixty nine page extract > from Goodspeed. Is it illegal for these people to copy and print portions > of these books and then sell them on places like ebay. > Linda > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Visit The Smith Co Web Site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project... > Already in Progress! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories Wills, Fokelore, To The Smith Co Web Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Yes, Don.....I think you are right.....they are in Public Domain.......I wish someone had the whole book to share...I'm sure many of us would love to have it for research..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Kelly" <ocollaugh@comcast.net> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 7:56 AM Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] History of Smith county > On the other hand, Goodspeeds bios were printed in the late 1800s, well over > 70 years ago. > DonK > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patti McNeal" <cyclewidowpatti@yahoo.com> > To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 7:33 AM > Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] History of Smith county > > > > It sure sounds like copyright infringement to me. > > > > Patti McNeal > > > > Linda Lewis <llewis001@centurytel.net> wrote: > > On ebay, there is a history of Smith county. A sixty nine page extract > > from Goodspeed. Is it illegal for these people to copy and print portions > > of these books and then sell them on places like ebay. > > Linda > > > > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > > Visit The Smith Co Web Site > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! for Good > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > > Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project... > > Already in Progress! > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm > > > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories > Wills, Fokelore, To The Smith Co Web Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ > >

On the other hand, Goodspeeds bios were printed in the late 1800s, well over 70 years ago. DonK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patti McNeal" <cyclewidowpatti@yahoo.com> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] History of Smith county > It sure sounds like copyright infringement to me. > > Patti McNeal > > Linda Lewis <llewis001@centurytel.net> wrote: > On ebay, there is a history of Smith county. A sixty nine page extract > from Goodspeed. Is it illegal for these people to copy and print portions > of these books and then sell them on places like ebay. > Linda > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Visit The Smith Co Web Site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project... > Already in Progress! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm >