Also I just want to add this didn't only happen in the 1800's , my Mom told me she remembers when she was a teenager and the oldest of 7 kids that the census taker came while her Mom was out and her Dad couldn't remember any of the kids birthdates! She is the one that told the census taker the info. This was out West also not in the south or the north! Marilyn > > > > ---- > There could very easily be at least a 1 year discrepancy in age depending on > the date of the census vs. the birthdate. > > What does the 1860 and 1870 census state? Missing an age by a couple of > years wasn't difficult. If I had a boat load of kids, and I couldn't read or > write to put their names and dates in a Bible, I'm not sure I would be 100% > accurate on their ages. > > Census are good for many things, but ages is not it. I have one family that > the ages are completely wrong and locations of birth are overseas where they > were all born in KY or IL. Obviously a neighbor or landlord gave the > information and just made something up. I know it's the same family due to other > research. > > Sharon Tabor > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project... > Already in Progress! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm >

In a message dated 10/25/2005 4:43:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hlm@qtm.net writes: One census year people were advised before it began to write down all the people in the household and their proper age in case they were out in the field or gone from home on the day the census taker arrived. This was because of so many errors in names, dates of birth, and place of birth. Often one of the older children would be at home taking care of the younger children and would get things wrong.......or a new second wife might not get the ages of all the children from a previous marriage correct. ---- There were often times non-family members who gave out information on their neighbors and relied solely on what they thought they had heard people state. --- Also - I love how people would change their names. ---- People didn't necessarily change their names. Think of how many people you know with nicknames. Sometimes it wasn't they who "changed" their names, but that on one census the official names (given names, not called names) were listed, and on the next census the names they used in daily life was listed. If a man's name was William Isaac, but called "bud" or "Bill", sometimes the census would given Wm or Bill or Bud or W.I. - but none of them are wrong and it wasn't due to any fickleness on the part of the person. Many times in the south people use their middle names as their called names, but the census taker many have asked for the given name. --- For example the father might be Peter and the son Peter Isaac.....when the child was young the family called him Isaac, then when he was grown he might have used his official name of Peter or Peter I...it also seems women were very willing to change their names when they got married, to use a middle name or just pick a name they liked better than the one they were given at birth.....that makes marriage records interesting because it is usually the first time the young woman could give her name as SHE wanted to be called and not what her parents called her. And again, you have to know that Polly or Molly might have been a Mary, or that Maggie could have been Margaret, etc. Then you throw in some of those horrible names used at one point - think they were Greek Goddesses or something...... ----- The horrible names used at one point were often Biblical names. Philip Draper who died 1856 Smith Co Tn had a daughter named Tryphena - a name mentioned in the New Testament. Around the time of the Spanish American War, names of Spanish origin began to be the vogue: Carmilla, Carmunta, etc. No wonder people (men as well as women) were called by nicknames. The changing of names on census records is not always due to the fickle nature of the person (I've personally never encountered that situation - there is usually a plausible reason for the change), but according to the method the census taker chose to list the family on it's official records, and what information was given by the person interviewed - whether they were family or not. Sharon Tabor

Still the creative names used in the census records seems to me to have been a southern thing. My other families in New England, Indiana, Ohio and Missouri didn't play with their names and ages the way my Smith county peeps did. Also the ages in those other areas were more reliable. Most of these people from other areas were farmers and apt to be out in the fields, yet their information was apt to be consistant. Note to Peggy, I'm back and working through all that information you gave me about the Harville family. Hopefully later today, I'll have a nice long reply to you. Linda Carlisle Lewis

One other footnote: After Lola Brooks Kemp passed away her widowed husband married her sister Henrietta Brooks who became step-mother to 2 neices and 2 nephews. Ernest and Henrietta had two children together. Ernest and Lola are parents of the following: Harry Hart Kemp 1925-1982 Emogene Kemp Gregory (living) Joe Louis Kemp 1933-1979 Shelby Sue Kemp 1934-2003 Martha Frances Kemp 1938-1938 Ernest and Henrietta are parents of the following: Bettie Ann Kemp Moore (living) Rosetta Jane Kemp (living) I have more detail for this family if anyone desires. You can find much including photo's of Ernest, Lola and Henrietta, along with some of the children at www.tribalpages.com/tribes/ghostspy Have a great day. Patti McNeal --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

Roseanne, I would say that maybe the '8' on that census should have been '0'. Some census reports say something like 3/12 for 3 months. But, have seen some register any child born the same year as the census as '0'. If the enumerator had been recording numbers all day/week..he could have accidently made an '8' for a '0'. --- Rosanne Vrugtman <xun@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > I'm curious about the "accuracy" of the Census > reports. My uncle SWEARS > that Henry S. Goad was born in 1840. That's what > all the (local) history > books/reports say, that's what the family history > says, and that is, in > fact, what it says on his tombstone. (My brother, > uncle, aunt and I toured > a number of family cemeteries on Sunday and I have > pictures!) However, the > 1850 Smith County Census indicates that Henry was 8 > years old at that > time--which would put his birth year at 1842. I've > also seen 1842 in a > number of different places, so I don't know which is > correct. Any > clues/suggestions? > > Rosanne (Goad) Vrugtman > St. Louis, MO > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Gregory [mailto:gregoryc@charter.net] > Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 8:05 PM > To: TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Re: books for sale > > Yes we have a very generous group of smith county > volunteers > and the money folks put up for the census project as > well as > other projects and the transcribers are the > proof.... > > thanks to all the smith county volunteers!!! > > Charlie @ the website > > Jenny M. Calvin wrote: > > > The censuses (1820-1930, excl. 1890 obviously) are > available on cd from > > SK Publications for $30 for all of them. What a > deal! Many, many > > thanks to those who helped to make these > available. I've spent *many* > > late nights digging. . . . :-) > > > > Jenny > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Add Your Surnames to Our Smith County Surnames Page > at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/surnames.htm > > > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories > Wills, Fokelore, To The Smith Co Web Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com

Lola May/Mai Kemp is a Brooks, daughter of Alexander Roscoe Brooks and Rosetta Frances Shepherd Brooks. She was married to Ernest Kemp (son of Hailey Kemp) and she died from child-bearing Martha. Martha died at birth and Lola died 2 days later. Lola is my grandmother's sister. I am pasting the following obit that was published in newspaper (Tennessean, I think) and written by my grandmother, Eunice Brooks Lankford. IN LOVING MEMORY (Retyped (without corrections) by Patti Lankford McNeal) LOLA BROOKS KEMP was born June 22nd 1905 and fell to sleep in JESUS March 3rd 1938 making her stay here on earth 33yrs. 8mo. 9 days. She professed a hope in Christ in 1920 and joined the Primitive Baptist Church at Friendship. She said in her experience, when she joined the Church, that she felt to be such a sinner that she didn’t want anyone to see her face and wore an old bonnet pulled down over her face most all the time until finally she thought she could live no longer, and went to the barn to pray before she died, as JESUS did. But when she fell on her knees to pray, JESUS visited her and she got her comfort and arose singing “JESUS LOVER of MY SOUL LET ME TO THY BOSOM FLY” and that is where she has gone now. I feel sure for JESUS said “I go to prepare a place for you and if I go away I will come again and receive you unto Myself that where I am there you may be also.” And she proved that she loved Him for she lived a devoted member of the Church and always done her part in everything. Always took care of the preachers. Her home was their home and the Church people. She enjoyed cooking for them and taking care of them and everyone of her friends and relatives. She worked so hard to have the things to take care of us all. She was a devoted companion, a loving kind Mother, a good neighbor and a loving daughter and the sweetest sister anyone could ever have. OH! How hard it was to give her up. I can’t understand why God called her from her little ones and her companion. They were so happy but we know that God doth all things well. Lola leaves a husband and four children, a Mother and a Father, 4 brothers and 4 sisters and a host of relatives and friends to mourn her going away. One little infant preceded her in death two days. She was just as a blooming flower. We all looked to her (Lola) as the flower of our flock. She just bloomed a little while and was cut down and OH! How sad to think she can’t never come home to greet us at the door no more. Dear Lola was just sick 2 days. A little babe was born on Tuesday night 7 O’clock and Lola died the following Thursday eave at 5:30. She suffered so much but she never complained. She would just pray for God to have mercy on her. She was so bad and suffered so much that she didn’t say anything about dying. She said to Sister, a few minutes before she died, that her feet and hands felt so numb. That was death and she didn’t realize it or she was so bad she couldn’t talk one. Mother asked Lola if she wanted to tell them something and she looked so wishful and didn’t say anything. Children you have lost your best friend and she can’t come to you but you can go to her. Just do as Dear Mother taught you to do and don’t forget that you will see her some sweet day when God sees fit to call us home to live with her forever. There a precious one from us has got a voice we loved. Is_________a place is vacant in our home that never can be filled. Sleep on Dear Sister and take your rest for you worked and toiled and made so many things with those sweet hands and done so many kind deeds here that you will live on here in our memory. I would give the world if I could see that sweet face one more time. You are missed at Church. That humble face will live on. You are missed at home and everywhere we go. We could not wish you back to suffer but we wish you could be with us. You suffered your part and now sleep on that sweet sleep that knows no disturbance until that Resurrection morn. Then your sweet precious body will come forth from the grave and be fashioned like the body of our Precious Lord. OH that day is the day I am looking forward to. Then I feel like that will be one reunion. Daddy, Mother, Husband, Children, Brothers and Sisters and meet to part no more. OH happy thought. Her funeral was conducted at the Friendship Church with a large congregation. Bro. Cantrell, C.L. Thomason, E.S. Frye after which she was laid to rest in Kemp Cemetery, Defeated, TN. Written by a heart broken lonely Sister that loved her so much. Mrs. Billie Lankford-919 Elvira Ave.-Nashville, TN Patti Lankford McNeal Eldon Wilkins <MelEl512@att.net> wrote: Kemp Seekers and friendly helpers.... If you have any information about any of these people will you please join in and give us your information...We are trying to identify all the these Kemp connections. (Interesting that none of the Kemps in this Anderson Cemetery were recognizable to me with as much Kemp info as I had collected over the years.) Thanks Melba & Gary -------Original Message------- From: G.J.Pace Date: 10/24/05 21:08:23 To: Eldon Wilkins Cc: bill_kemp@comcast.net; Mary Knight; Judith Holley Subject: Re: Kemp, Edgar McKenney Born 1896 Defeated, TN Melba, The Lola in the Anderson Cemetery near Hoggtown is not the Lola, daughter of Harvey & Dora. Here are the details on Harvey & Dora's Lola: Lola Kemp (4 June 1903 – 1 Jan. 2005) [LDVSS] married William C. (Willie) Gammon, Sr. (? – 1960). [DDCO] They resided in Webbtown, Macon Co., TN; Lola passed in Madison. I know nothing at all of these Kemps - can anyone out there help, or should I post? KEMP, Allie 15 May 1893‑ 25 Mar 1925 KEMP, Edgar McKenney 17-Jan-37 WW I Born 1896 KEMP, Edgar McKenney, Jr. 13 Jan 1923 – 30 Jan 1936 KEMP, Madeline 6 Sep 1916 ‑ 9 Sep 1962 KEMP, Lola May 22 Jun 1904 ‑ 3 Mar 1938 Lola & Marhta Kemp removed to Defeated Memorial Gardens KEMP, Martha Frances 1 Mar 1938 ‑ 1 mar 1938 I've placed (already had, in fact) all the Kemp WWI vets annnotated as such. Will look at the others "one of these days" Gary Eldon Wilkins wrote: > Some of you probably have this but here is what I found in the Anderson Cem > in Hogtown, Sm. Co. Hwy 85... > >Edgar McKenney Kemp - no birth date - 17 Jan 1937 WWI > >buried next to Allie Kemp 15 May 1893 - 25 Mar 1925 (don't know if was his >wife or not). > >Not far down from them is > >Hailey Kemp 3 July 1868 - 19 Mar 1966 and wife > >Maggie (Kennedy we know) Kemp 4 Jan 1881 - 7 May 1966. > >Also in this cem. is > >Lola May Kemp 1904 - 1938 > >Martha Frances Kemp 1938 - 1938 > >(I believe Martha may be dau/of Lola???) > >Madeline Kemp 6 Sept 1916 - 9 Sept 1952 > > > >Some of these graves-Lola May & Martha I understand were > >moved to Defeated Mem. Gardens. I believe Hailey and > >Maggies were moved to Carthage Smith Mem. Gardens. > > > >??Was this Lola Kemp the same Lola d/o of Harvey Kemp > >and Dora Cartwritht who md____Gammon??? > > > >So Gary...that WWI info I sent will keep you busy (and me too) > >now. > > > >Melba > > > >-------Original Message------- > > > >From: G.J.Pace > >Date: 10/23/05 23:30:54 > >To: Robbie Frye; Judith Holley; Andrea & Kevin Kemp; bill_kemp@comcast.net; >Mary Knight; Melba Wilkins > >Subject: Kemp, Edgar McKenney Born 1896 Defeated, TN > > > >Gang, > > > >I found this reference in the list of SMith Co, TN WWI vets. Does > >anyone recognize him and know where he fits into the lines? Info about > >him, siblings, children, parents? > > > >Thanks, > >Gary > > > > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories Wills, Fokelore, To The Smith Co Web Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

I like to get at least 3 census - say 1850, 1860, 1870 - and then compare the age for an approximate date and so state it in my records - if I have nothing else. One census year people were advised before it began to write down all the people in the household and their proper age in case they were out in the field or gone from home on the day the census taker arrived. This was because of so many errors in names, dates of birth, and place of birth. Often one of the older children would be at home taking care of the younger children and would get things wrong.......or a new second wife might not get the ages of all the children from a previous marriage correct. Also - I love how people would change their names. For example the father might be Peter and the son Peter Isaac.....when the child was young the family called him Isaac, then when he was grown he might have used his official name of Peter or Peter I...it also seems women were very willing to change their names when they got married, to use a middle name or just pick a name they liked better than the one they were given at birth.....that makes marriage records interesting because it is usually the first time the young woman could give her name as SHE wanted to be called and not what her parents called her. And again, you have to know that Polly or Molly might have been a Mary, or that Maggie could have been Margaret, etc. Then you throw in some of those horrible names used at one point - think they were Greek Goddesses or something...... Mary

Has anyone come across any Carmon/Carmen/Carman's in the Trousdale-Beaseley's Store area or Dixon Springs who are African American. I am looking for family members around 1830's - Pasty Carman - 2nd civil dist.? Thanks Delores -----Original Message----- From: redp@comcast.net Sent: Oct 23, 2005 9:10 PM To: TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: FW: [TNSMITH] PATTERSON/PARKER/GAMMON Thanks Bobby Yes Roshea "Rushie" Gammon b. 1834 was the daughter of John Brawner "Jack" Gammon, and her mother was Priscilla Roshea Carman. I have John Browner "Jack" Gammon's brother "Levi Gammon" married to Lucy Parker. She was daughter of Frances Parker Thanks Harold -------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- From: "B & B West" <geefer@sti.net> To: TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TNSMITH] PATTERSON/PARKER/GAMMON Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 04:44:26 +0000 From: redp@comcast.net (1) Thomas T. Patterson b. 1824 in N.C. I know Thomas Married Roesha Ann Gammon (2) Celina Patterson b. Jan.23 1826 N.C. Married Jesse Parker (4) Louisa "Eliza" B. Patterson b. abt. 1832 in Smith County. . . "Eliza" married Arch Parker Sr. Hello, Harold, Would your Roesha Ann GAMMON be the same as my Roesha GAMMON (b. abt. 1824 in Smith Co.) daughter of John B. "Jack" GAMMON and Roesha CARMON? John B. "Jack" GAMMON is a brother to my g-g-g-grandfather, Robert GAMMON. My g-g-g-grandmother, Lucy PARKER is somehow connected to the above PARKERS. . . .I think cousins but I don't have enough information to be sure. Bobby L. West ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== Smith County Cemeteries North and South Of The Cumberland River at The Smith County Historical and Genealogical Society website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/hg/cems_north/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/hg/cems_south/ ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project... Already in Progress! http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm

very true and we may never know for sure especially when records conflict so documenting for the future is VERY important!! Charlie surtees9@localline.com wrote: > Very interesting. We were always taught that the record closest to the > actual event was the most accurate. Seemingly the parents should know best > when the child was born. So bible records would be the most accurate. And > the census year they first appear in SHOULD be accurate, except the census > info could have been given by a neighbor if the family wasn't home - or by > one of the children if the parents were out in the fields working. > > I have a problem with death records because usually the ones giving the > info for them - even for tombstones - had nothing to do with the actual > birth of the person they are reporting on. Guess that's why we have to > check so many records - and try to sort out the "real" info. > > Diane in Indiana > > >>then i would go with family history and a tombstone any day >>over a census but would note the possible error for future >>researchers! >> >>Charlie > > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Visit Photos Of Cemeteries Of Smith County > Over 500 + Cemeteries online with pictures and Descriptions > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/cempics.htm >

Very interesting. We were always taught that the record closest to the actual event was the most accurate. Seemingly the parents should know best when the child was born. So bible records would be the most accurate. And the census year they first appear in SHOULD be accurate, except the census info could have been given by a neighbor if the family wasn't home - or by one of the children if the parents were out in the fields working. I have a problem with death records because usually the ones giving the info for them - even for tombstones - had nothing to do with the actual birth of the person they are reporting on. Guess that's why we have to check so many records - and try to sort out the "real" info. Diane in Indiana > then i would go with family history and a tombstone any day > over a census but would note the possible error for future > researchers! > > Charlie

Either in an email or somewhere online (possibly at the Mike Goad website), I believe Ken Haas indicated that it was doubtful that Abraham and Mary Bishop ever married, despite getting a marriage license. He thought there might be other licenses obtained by Abraham besides, as well, if I recall. I'd have to check the records again to be sure of the facts. Rosanne -----Original Message----- From: Peggy Blue [mailto:trublue1155@budget.net] Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 4:46 PM To: TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TNSMITH] Goad family Rosanne: Abraham Goad 75 was in the household of Nancy Bishop 67, Mary Bishop 38 and James Bishop 31. This was in the 1850 Smith County TN census. Then in 1860 Smith County census Mary Bishop 48 is in the household of James Bishop 41 and Elizabeth Bishop. I believe that James was Mary Bishop's brother. This is why I feel she did not marry Abraham Goad. I posted Reuben and Mary Goad's bible record on this website. Peggy ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== Visit Photos Of Cemeteries Of Smith County Over 500 + Cemeteries online with pictures and Descriptions http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/cempics.htm

From: Peggy Blue Bobby: Your Groner and Martha Ann (Williams) Owen/Owens are listed in the 1850 and 1860 Macon County census.The Macon County History book reflects that Groner's Dad was Thomas Owen born 1790. Thank you, Peggy. Appreciate your help. Bobby L. West

Rosanne, The census records are great resources but ages should be taken as an approximation in many of the old census texts. Others probably know better than I do but it seems as if accuracy of ages (and spelling) varied by census taker. Bob McCormick (the other one...) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosanne Vrugtman" <xun@sbcglobal.net> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 9:37 PM Subject: RE: [TNSMITH] Re: books for sale > I'm curious about the "accuracy" of the Census reports. My uncle SWEARS > that Henry S. Goad was born in 1840. That's what all the (local) history > books/reports say, that's what the family history says, and that is, in > fact, what it says on his tombstone. (My brother, uncle, aunt and I toured > a number of family cemeteries on Sunday and I have pictures!) However, the > 1850 Smith County Census indicates that Henry was 8 years old at that > time--which would put his birth year at 1842. I've also seen 1842 in a > number of different places, so I don't know which is correct. Any > clues/suggestions? > > Rosanne (Goad) Vrugtman > St. Louis, MO > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Gregory [mailto:gregoryc@charter.net] > Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 8:05 PM > To: TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Re: books for sale > > Yes we have a very generous group of smith county volunteers > and the money folks put up for the census project as well as > other projects and the transcribers are the proof.... > > thanks to all the smith county volunteers!!! > > Charlie @ the website > > Jenny M. Calvin wrote: > > > The censuses (1820-1930, excl. 1890 obviously) are available on cd from > > SK Publications for $30 for all of them. What a deal! Many, many > > thanks to those who helped to make these available. I've spent *many* > > late nights digging. . . . :-) > > > > Jenny > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Add Your Surnames to Our Smith County Surnames Page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/surnames.htm > > > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories > Wills, Fokelore, To The Smith Co Web Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ >

then i would go with family history and a tombstone any day over a census but would note the possible error for future researchers! Charlie Rosanne Vrugtman wrote: > I'm curious about the "accuracy" of the Census reports. My uncle SWEARS > that Henry S. Goad was born in 1840. That's what all the (local) history > books/reports say, that's what the family history says, and that is, in > fact, what it says on his tombstone. (My brother, uncle, aunt and I toured > a number of family cemeteries on Sunday and I have pictures!) However, the > 1850 Smith County Census indicates that Henry was 8 years old at that > time--which would put his birth year at 1842. I've also seen 1842 in a > number of different places, so I don't know which is correct. Any > clues/suggestions? > > Rosanne (Goad) Vrugtman > St. Louis, MO > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Gregory [mailto:gregoryc@charter.net] > Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 8:05 PM > To: TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Re: books for sale > > Yes we have a very generous group of smith county volunteers > and the money folks put up for the census project as well as > other projects and the transcribers are the proof.... > > thanks to all the smith county volunteers!!! > > Charlie @ the website > > Jenny M. Calvin wrote: > > >>The censuses (1820-1930, excl. 1890 obviously) are available on cd from >>SK Publications for $30 for all of them. What a deal! Many, many >>thanks to those who helped to make these available. I've spent *many* >>late nights digging. . . . :-) >> >>Jenny > > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Add Your Surnames to Our Smith County Surnames Page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/surnames.htm > > > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories > Wills, Fokelore, To The Smith Co Web Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ >

Kemp Seekers and friendly helpers.... If you have any information about any of these people will you please join in and give us your information...We are trying to identify all the these Kemp connections. (Interesting that none of the Kemps in this Anderson Cemetery were recognizable to me with as much Kemp info as I had collected over the years.) Thanks Melba & Gary -------Original Message------- From: G.J.Pace Date: 10/24/05 21:08:23 To: Eldon Wilkins Cc: bill_kemp@comcast.net; Mary Knight; Judith Holley Subject: Re: Kemp, Edgar McKenney Born 1896 Defeated, TN Melba, The Lola in the Anderson Cemetery near Hoggtown is not the Lola, daughter of Harvey & Dora. Here are the details on Harvey & Dora's Lola: Lola Kemp (4 June 1903 – 1 Jan. 2005) [LDVSS] married William C. (Willie) Gammon, Sr. (? – 1960). [DDCO] They resided in Webbtown, Macon Co., TN; Lola passed in Madison. I know nothing at all of these Kemps - can anyone out there help, or should I post? KEMP, Allie 15 May 1893‑ 25 Mar 1925 KEMP, Edgar McKenney 17-Jan-37 WW I Born 1896 KEMP, Edgar McKenney, Jr. 13 Jan 1923 – 30 Jan 1936 KEMP, Madeline 6 Sep 1916 ‑ 9 Sep 1962 KEMP, Lola May 22 Jun 1904 ‑ 3 Mar 1938 Lola & Marhta Kemp removed to Defeated Memorial Gardens KEMP, Martha Frances 1 Mar 1938 ‑ 1 mar 1938 I've placed (already had, in fact) all the Kemp WWI vets annnotated as such. Will look at the others "one of these days" Gary Eldon Wilkins wrote: > Some of you probably have this but here is what I found in the Anderson Cem > in Hogtown, Sm. Co. Hwy 85... > >Edgar McKenney Kemp - no birth date - 17 Jan 1937 WWI > >buried next to Allie Kemp 15 May 1893 - 25 Mar 1925 (don't know if was his >wife or not). > >Not far down from them is > >Hailey Kemp 3 July 1868 - 19 Mar 1966 and wife > >Maggie (Kennedy we know) Kemp 4 Jan 1881 - 7 May 1966. > >Also in this cem. is > >Lola May Kemp 1904 - 1938 > >Martha Frances Kemp 1938 - 1938 > >(I believe Martha may be dau/of Lola???) > >Madeline Kemp 6 Sept 1916 - 9 Sept 1952 > > > >Some of these graves-Lola May & Martha I understand were > >moved to Defeated Mem. Gardens. I believe Hailey and > >Maggies were moved to Carthage Smith Mem. Gardens. > > > >??Was this Lola Kemp the same Lola d/o of Harvey Kemp > >and Dora Cartwritht who md____Gammon??? > > > >So Gary...that WWI info I sent will keep you busy (and me too) > >now. > > > >Melba > > > >-------Original Message------- > > > >From: G.J.Pace > >Date: 10/23/05 23:30:54 > >To: Robbie Frye; Judith Holley; Andrea & Kevin Kemp; bill_kemp@comcast.net; >Mary Knight; Melba Wilkins > >Subject: Kemp, Edgar McKenney Born 1896 Defeated, TN > > > >Gang, > > > >I found this reference in the list of SMith Co, TN WWI vets. Does > >anyone recognize him and know where he fits into the lines? Info about > >him, siblings, children, parents? > > > >Thanks, > >Gary > > > > > >

I'm curious about the "accuracy" of the Census reports. My uncle SWEARS that Henry S. Goad was born in 1840. That's what all the (local) history books/reports say, that's what the family history says, and that is, in fact, what it says on his tombstone. (My brother, uncle, aunt and I toured a number of family cemeteries on Sunday and I have pictures!) However, the 1850 Smith County Census indicates that Henry was 8 years old at that time--which would put his birth year at 1842. I've also seen 1842 in a number of different places, so I don't know which is correct. Any clues/suggestions? Rosanne (Goad) Vrugtman St. Louis, MO -----Original Message----- From: Charles Gregory [mailto:gregoryc@charter.net] Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 8:05 PM To: TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Re: books for sale Yes we have a very generous group of smith county volunteers and the money folks put up for the census project as well as other projects and the transcribers are the proof.... thanks to all the smith county volunteers!!! Charlie @ the website Jenny M. Calvin wrote: > The censuses (1820-1930, excl. 1890 obviously) are available on cd from > SK Publications for $30 for all of them. What a deal! Many, many > thanks to those who helped to make these available. I've spent *many* > late nights digging. . . . :-) > > Jenny ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== Add Your Surnames to Our Smith County Surnames Page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/surnames.htm

The same type of question is in my mind. My ggg-grandmother's tombstone says she died in 1894 yet she is listed on the 1900 census. I am wondering if someone giving the information to the census taker misunderstood the question. For example "what's your wife's name?" could be interpretted as "what was your wife's name?" and somehow the answering person wouldn't mention she was dead. My ggg-grandfather would have been 75 years old at the time, and perhaps he was a bit hard of hearing. I have heard that sometimes census takers guessed at a child's age depending on size. Gwendolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosanne Vrugtman" <xun@sbcglobal.net> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 6:37 PM Subject: RE: [TNSMITH] Re: books for sale > I'm curious about the "accuracy" of the Census reports. My uncle SWEARS > that Henry S. Goad was born in 1840. That's what all the (local) history > books/reports say, that's what the family history says, and that is, in > fact, what it says on his tombstone. (My brother, uncle, aunt and I > toured > a number of family cemeteries on Sunday and I have pictures!) However, > the > 1850 Smith County Census indicates that Henry was 8 years old at that > time--which would put his birth year at 1842. I've also seen 1842 in a > number of different places, so I don't know which is correct. Any > clues/suggestions? > > Rosanne (Goad) Vrugtman > St. Louis, MO > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Gregory [mailto:gregoryc@charter.net] > Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 8:05 PM > To: TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Re: books for sale > > Yes we have a very generous group of smith county volunteers > and the money folks put up for the census project as well as > other projects and the transcribers are the proof.... > > thanks to all the smith county volunteers!!! > > Charlie @ the website > > Jenny M. Calvin wrote: > >> The censuses (1820-1930, excl. 1890 obviously) are available on cd from >> SK Publications for $30 for all of them. What a deal! Many, many >> thanks to those who helped to make these available. I've spent *many* >> late nights digging. . . . :-) >> >> Jenny > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Add Your Surnames to Our Smith County Surnames Page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/surnames.htm > > > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories > Wills, Fokelore, To The Smith Co Web Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/

Yes we have a very generous group of smith county volunteers and the money folks put up for the census project as well as other projects and the transcribers are the proof.... thanks to all the smith county volunteers!!! Charlie @ the website Jenny M. Calvin wrote: > The censuses (1820-1930, excl. 1890 obviously) are available on cd from > SK Publications for $30 for all of them. What a deal! Many, many > thanks to those who helped to make these available. I've spent *many* > late nights digging. . . . :-) > > Jenny

The censuses (1820-1930, excl. 1890 obviously) are available on cd from SK Publications for $30 for all of them. What a deal! Many, many thanks to those who helped to make these available. I've spent *many* late nights digging. . . . :-) Jenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "teresa whittemore" <harper@nctc.com> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 3:08 PM Subject: books for sale > List, > I have several families from Smith County. Are there any research books > available for sale? > Would love to have census, cemetery, etc to look at during my late night > "Digging" > Teresa > > ______________________________

I would go with the family records and put in my notes field what census, etc. states....A census about birth date can be as much as 2 to 5 years off, depending on what the census taker heard.....generally folks will go with the tombstone, but then my grandmother's birth date is wrong...because the stone cutter made an error....Census reports are one of the greatest tools available to locate your family....start with 1850 and work this way.....that was the first census to tie relationships. I'll bet when you check the 1860, 70, 80 (if Henry were still living) you may not find the birth years matches either). Recently I found a fellow who for 30 years the census had his age perfect...that is a first. I love teaching the use of the census records...when you get into them you develop stories without having ever met those folks. Fun but time consuming but worthwhile. Melba -------Original Message------- From: Rosanne Vrugtman Date: 10/24/05 18:37:50 To: TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [TNSMITH] Re: books for sale I'm curious about the "accuracy" of the Census reports. My uncle SWEARS that Henry S. Goad was born in 1840. That's what all the (local) history books/reports say, that's what the family history says, and that is, in fact, what it says on his tombstone. (My brother, uncle, aunt and I toured a number of family cemeteries on Sunday and I have pictures!) However, the 1850 Smith County Census indicates that Henry was 8 years old at that time--which would put his birth year at 1842. I've also seen 1842 in a number of different places, so I don't know which is correct. Any clues/suggestions? Rosanne (Goad) Vrugtman St. Louis, MO -----Original Message----- From: Charles Gregory [mailto:gregoryc@charter.net] Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 8:05 PM To: TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Re: books for sale Yes we have a very generous group of smith county volunteers and the money folks put up for the census project as well as other projects and the transcribers are the proof.... thanks to all the smith county volunteers!!! Charlie @ the website Jenny M. Calvin wrote: > The censuses (1820-1930, excl. 1890 obviously) are available on cd from > SK Publications for $30 for all of them. What a deal! Many, many > thanks to those who helped to make these available. I've spent *many* > late nights digging. . . . :-) > > Jenny ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== Add Your Surnames to Our Smith County Surnames Page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/surnames.htm ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories Wills, Fokelore, To The Smith Co Web Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/