Teresa....will you please send me your private email...I have some knowledge that will be of great interest to you. MELEL512@att.net If you are awake and want me to call you send me your phone number (or can do in the a.m.) Melba ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eldon Wilkins" <MelEl512@att.net> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Re: books for sale > Teresa...to my knowledge there are none of the Smith Co., Books > available.. > you might contact the Smith Co. Historial Society , Carthage, to see if > any > of the Smith County History would be considered as another printing... > rather doubt they will reprint the Cemetery Books as they are online...and > check ebay to see if any out there. > M. > > -------Original Message------- > > From: teresa whittemore > Date: 10/25/05 16:00:23 > To: TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Re: books for sale > > Jenny and all who replied, > Thanks for info on census, but I would still love to have books. Someday > my computor and software will be outdated or dead and the books will still > be here. > Teresa > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jenny M. Calvin" <jcalvin5@cafes.net> > To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 7:42 PM > Subject: [TNSMITH] Re: books for sale > > >> The censuses (1820-1930, excl. 1890 obviously) are available on cd from >> SK >> Publications for $30 for all of them. What a deal! Many, many thanks to >> those who helped to make these available. I've spent *many* late nights >> digging. . . . :-) >> >> Jenny >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "teresa whittemore" <harper@nctc.com> >> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 3:08 PM >> Subject: books for sale >> >> >>> List, >>> I have several families from Smith County. Are there any research books >>> available for sale? >>> Would love to have census, cemetery, etc to look at during my late night >>> "Digging" >>> Teresa >>> >>> ______________________________ >> >> >> >> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >> Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories >> Wills, Fokelore, To The Smith Co Web Project >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ >> >> > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Add Your Surnames to Our Smith County Surnames Page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/surnames.htm > > > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Visit Photos Of Cemeteries Of Smith County > Over 500 + Cemeteries online with pictures and Descriptions > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/cempics.htm > >

Charlie....sounds like you are snowed under...I know what it is like having a mother in the hospital, especially if elderly and serious illness...May God bless YOU with the health and energy you need at this time of trials in your life...keep up your emotional strength....that is so hard to regain, once having worn yourself down to a frazzle. And my computer crashed a few months ago and I haven't trusted one since. I thought I was a patient person until that event and I sure don't like the way a computer can outsmart me at times and talk back. Ha. Don't know if you have been to the Carthage Library and seen the loose leaf books I did on Carthage obits....when/if you do let me know what you think...I am still collecting and a bit behind on my computer indexing but although I did it all I am proud of it and I think it is a wonderful genealogical tool....John Waggoner had them for a while and can tell you about them. I would not mind them being put on the website....just not smart enough to figure out how. (Now don't think you have to do this right away either....you have enough on you.) Melba -------Original Message------- From: Charles Gregory Date: 10/25/05 17:47:38 To: TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TNSMITH] MIA - Cal's Column Article by all means if we missed a column i want to add it what year was this....when you find it! As for Office changes i can fully understand<g> Thank God for backups!! As we were discussing... Cal gave me this website idea from reading his articles..... so maybe we should call it Charlie's Column Charlie Eldon Wilkins wrote: > It is fun...once in a while we run into those who want to put a > crimp in our fun! I haven't figured out how you and Cal are > related but sure you must be. I never met him in person...when > Pappy Green (my g. father) died Cal preached his funeral...I > had just graduated high school but paid for the ticket for Dad to > go back....He is buried on the K. Reece property high on the Hill > at Canter Cem. > > You are most welcome...I really do appreciate you...when I > come across the column of Cals' re the Green family (and I > do have a cc of the original) I can transcribe it and send to you > by email, unless you prefer different method. > > I don't know when you began the website...I just got on it a few > months ago....and everyone I know says "it is the best one > out there." Want to put some of my info on there when I can > pull it together....still trying to get my office in order from our > move 3 years ago...I love the picture section and would love > to be able to collect some of my Green lines....don't have much... > our home caught fire the day after Dad moved us to Knoxville > and a sister was caught in it and burned to death...consequently > not many photos of then 1936 and backwards. > > Melba > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Charles Gregory > Date: 10/25/05 15:38:22 > To: TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Census vrs records!!! > > yes it is better than a crossword puzzle and more fun ! > And Cal got me going on this genealogy journey many years > ago as well.. > > Melba thanks for the kind words this is our hobby / part time > job and we have come so far haven't we ....<g> > > > Charlie > > > Eldon Wilkins wrote: > > >>But isn't it fun??? And exciting when you figure all these people >>out...better than crossword puzzles. >> >>Re Cal's (Gregory of Macon Co.) Column...I have found his records to be >>factual as far as my Green family. That article >>in the early 50's was the beginning of my diggin' in the census. >>How thankful I have always been for his keeping tract of families >>so we would be able to use it today. >> >>And to Charlie....again I thank you for the service you and others >>are giving us...I have so enjoyed meeting other wonderful >>people who are willing to share and work together as we >>build our families of the past. Thanks, Thanks, Thanks. >> >>Melba >> >>Melba >> >>-------Original Message------- >> >>From: Mary Miller >>Date: 10/25/05 07:31:32 >>To: TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Census vrs records!!! >> >>I like to get at least 3 census - say 1850, 1860, 1870 - and then compare >>the age for an approximate date and so state it in my records - if I have >>nothing else. >> >>One census year people were advised before it began to write down all the >>people in the household and their proper age in case they were out in the >>field or gone from home on the day the census taker arrived. This was >>because of so many errors in names, dates of birth, and place of birth. >>Often one of the older children would be at home taking care of the > > younger > >>children and would get things wrong.......or a new second wife might not > > get > >>the ages of all the children from a previous marriage correct. Also - I >>love how people would change their names. For example the father might be >>Peter and the son Peter Isaac.....when the child was young the family > > called > >>him Isaac, then when he was grown he might have used his official name of >>Peter or Peter I...it also seems women were very willing to change their >>names when they got married, to use a middle name or just pick a name they >>liked better than the one they were given at birth.....that makes marriage >>records interesting because it is usually the first time the young woman >>could give her name as SHE wanted to be called and not what her parents >>called her. And again, you have to know that Polly or Molly might have > > been > >>a Mary, or that Maggie could have been Margaret, etc. Then you throw in >>some of those horrible names used at one point - think they were Greek >>Goddesses or something...... >> >>Mary >> >> >> >>==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >>Visit Photos Of Cemeteries Of Smith County >>Over 500 + Cemeteries online with pictures and Descriptions >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/cempics.htm >> >> >> >> >>==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >>Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project. >>Already In Progress! >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm >> > > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project. > Already In Progress! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm > > > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Add Your Surnames to Our Smith County Surnames Page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/surnames.htm > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== Have you updated your Smith County Query lately? http://www.tngennet.org/queries/qpost.htm

This Hailey Kemp was born 03 Jul 1868 and died 19 Mar 1935 was married to Maggie Kennedy born 04 Jan 1881 and died 07 May 1966 Hailey/Hayley Kemp has sister: Julia Kemp I have no idea who parents of Hailey/Hayley Kemp are. Patti Sagsspot@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 10/25/05 7:16:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, MelEl512@att.net writes: Lola May/Mai Kemp is a Brooks, daughter of Alexander Roscoe Brooks and Rosetta Frances Shepherd Brooks. She was married to Ernest Kemp (son of Hailey Kemp) Is this John Hailey Kemp, b. 1869 and s/o William Wakefield "Wade" Kemp and Margaret Octavia Thomas?? Sue Gregory, 706 Scarlett Place Lebanon, TN, 37087-3263 ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories Wills, Fokelore, To The Smith Co Web Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

by all means if we missed a column i want to add it what year was this....when you find it! As for Office changes i can fully understand<g> Thank God for backups!! As we were discussing... Cal gave me this website idea from reading his articles..... so maybe we should call it Charlie's Column Charlie Eldon Wilkins wrote: > It is fun...once in a while we run into those who want to put a > crimp in our fun! I haven't figured out how you and Cal are > related but sure you must be. I never met him in person...when > Pappy Green (my g. father) died Cal preached his funeral...I > had just graduated high school but paid for the ticket for Dad to > go back....He is buried on the K. Reece property high on the Hill > at Canter Cem. > > You are most welcome...I really do appreciate you...when I > come across the column of Cals' re the Green family (and I > do have a cc of the original) I can transcribe it and send to you > by email, unless you prefer different method. > > I don't know when you began the website...I just got on it a few > months ago....and everyone I know says "it is the best one > out there." Want to put some of my info on there when I can > pull it together....still trying to get my office in order from our > move 3 years ago...I love the picture section and would love > to be able to collect some of my Green lines....don't have much... > our home caught fire the day after Dad moved us to Knoxville > and a sister was caught in it and burned to death...consequently > not many photos of then 1936 and backwards. > > Melba > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Charles Gregory > Date: 10/25/05 15:38:22 > To: TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Census vrs records!!! > > yes it is better than a crossword puzzle and more fun ! > And Cal got me going on this genealogy journey many years > ago as well.. > > Melba thanks for the kind words this is our hobby / part time > job and we have come so far haven't we ....<g> > > > Charlie > > > Eldon Wilkins wrote: > > >>But isn't it fun??? And exciting when you figure all these people >>out...better than crossword puzzles. >> >>Re Cal's (Gregory of Macon Co.) Column...I have found his records to be >>factual as far as my Green family. That article >>in the early 50's was the beginning of my diggin' in the census. >>How thankful I have always been for his keeping tract of families >>so we would be able to use it today. >> >>And to Charlie....again I thank you for the service you and others >>are giving us...I have so enjoyed meeting other wonderful >>people who are willing to share and work together as we >>build our families of the past. Thanks, Thanks, Thanks. >> >>Melba >> >>Melba >> >>-------Original Message------- >> >>From: Mary Miller >>Date: 10/25/05 07:31:32 >>To: TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Census vrs records!!! >> >>I like to get at least 3 census - say 1850, 1860, 1870 - and then compare >>the age for an approximate date and so state it in my records - if I have >>nothing else. >> >>One census year people were advised before it began to write down all the >>people in the household and their proper age in case they were out in the >>field or gone from home on the day the census taker arrived. This was >>because of so many errors in names, dates of birth, and place of birth. >>Often one of the older children would be at home taking care of the > > younger > >>children and would get things wrong.......or a new second wife might not > > get > >>the ages of all the children from a previous marriage correct. Also - I >>love how people would change their names. For example the father might be >>Peter and the son Peter Isaac.....when the child was young the family > > called > >>him Isaac, then when he was grown he might have used his official name of >>Peter or Peter I...it also seems women were very willing to change their >>names when they got married, to use a middle name or just pick a name they >>liked better than the one they were given at birth.....that makes marriage >>records interesting because it is usually the first time the young woman >>could give her name as SHE wanted to be called and not what her parents >>called her. And again, you have to know that Polly or Molly might have > > been > >>a Mary, or that Maggie could have been Margaret, etc. Then you throw in >>some of those horrible names used at one point - think they were Greek >>Goddesses or something...... >> >>Mary >> >> >> >>==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >>Visit Photos Of Cemeteries Of Smith County >>Over 500 + Cemeteries online with pictures and Descriptions >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/cempics.htm >> >> >> >> >>==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >>Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project. >>Already In Progress! >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm >> > > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project. > Already In Progress! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm > > > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Add Your Surnames to Our Smith County Surnames Page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/surnames.htm >

This email is to invite our sister Middle Tennessee Rootsweb site members to the Annual Seminar hosted by the Middle Tennessee Genealogical Society and the Tennessee Historical Society. Four genealogists and historians who have been previously voted as favorite speakers will headline this all-day seminar devoted to a variety of popular topics for both beginning and advanced family historians. Learn how to relate your ancestor to his era, how to practice proven genealogical techniques in both "old" and "new-style" research; how to mine early pioneer treasures hidden in the Draper Papers, and how to use cybergenealogy to your best advantage. Saturday, November 19, 2005 is the date; the Brentwood Public Library is the place. A registration form and a map and further details on our speakers and their topics can be found at http://www.mtgs.org <http://www.mtgs.org/> and http://www.rootsweb.com/~tntgs Let me thank all of you who joined the MTGS Rootsweb site. You may want to check back and review the surnames. As I worked through putting them on the site, I finally decided to list the surnames by the first surname contained in the email. My email box was flooded and I fear some were lost. If you do not find your surname, please resubmit your email to Mid-TN-L@rootsweb.com. It would be helpful if you would put as much information as you have in your email (such as dates; counties; and any other info you have). I have tried to post the website name at the top of each surname listing to make it easy for recipients of a "forward" to find our site. Hope to see you at the annual Seminar. Katheryne Cowan MTGS Webmaster Visit us: http://www.mtgs.org Visit us: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tntgs

Jenny and all who replied, Thanks for info on census, but I would still love to have books. Someday my computor and software will be outdated or dead and the books will still be here. Teresa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny M. Calvin" <jcalvin5@cafes.net> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 7:42 PM Subject: [TNSMITH] Re: books for sale > The censuses (1820-1930, excl. 1890 obviously) are available on cd from SK > Publications for $30 for all of them. What a deal! Many, many thanks to > those who helped to make these available. I've spent *many* late nights > digging. . . . :-) > > Jenny > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "teresa whittemore" <harper@nctc.com> > To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 3:08 PM > Subject: books for sale > > >> List, >> I have several families from Smith County. Are there any research books >> available for sale? >> Would love to have census, cemetery, etc to look at during my late night >> "Digging" >> Teresa >> >> ______________________________ > > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories > Wills, Fokelore, To The Smith Co Web Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ > >

Patti...thank you so much for your information...will compare with my notes...would you please send me your email add? Melba MELEL512@att.net -------Original Message------- From: Patti McNeal Date: 10/25/05 17:03:49 To: TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Fw: Re: Kemp, Edgar McKenney Born 1896 Defeated, TN Lola May/Mai Kemp is a Brooks, daughter of Alexander Roscoe Brooks and Rosetta Frances Shepherd Brooks. She was married to Ernest Kemp (son of Hailey Kemp) and she died from child-bearing Martha. Martha died at birth and Lola died 2 days later. Lola is my grandmother's sister. I am pasting the following obit that was published in newspaper (Tennessean, I think) and written by my grandmother, Eunice Brooks Lankford. IN LOVING MEMORY (Retyped (without corrections) by Patti Lankford McNeal) LOLA BROOKS KEMP was born June 22nd 1905 and fell to sleep in JESUS March 3rd 1938 making her stay here on earth 33yrs. 8mo. 9 days. She professed a hope in Christ in 1920 and joined the Primitive Baptist Church at Friendship She said in her experience, when she joined the Church, that she felt to be such a sinner that she didn’t want anyone to see her face and wore an old bonnet pulled down over her face most all the time until finally she thought she could live no longer, and went to the barn to pray before she died, as JESUS did. But when she fell on her knees to pray, JESUS visited her and she got her comfort and arose singing “JESUS LOVER of MY SOUL LET ME TO THY BOSOM FLY” and that is where she has gone now. I feel sure for JESUS said “I go to prepare a place for you and if I go away I will come again and receive you unto Myself that where I am there you may be also.” And she proved that she loved Him for she lived a devoted member of the Church and always done her part in everything. Always took care of the preachers. Her home was their home and the Church people. She enjoyed cooking for them and taking care of them and everyone of her friends and relatives. She worked so hard to have the things to take care of us all. She was a devoted companion, a loving kind Mother, a good neighbor and a loving daughter and the sweetest sister anyone could ever have. OH! How hard it was to give her up. I can’t understand why God called her from her little ones and her companion. They were so happy but we know that God doth all things well. Lola leaves a husband and four children, a Mother and a Father, 4 brothers and 4 sisters and a host of relatives and friends to mourn her going away. One little infant preceded her in death two days. She was just as a blooming flower. We all looked to her (Lola) as the flower of our flock. She just bloomed a little while and was cut down and OH! How sad to think she can’t never come home to greet us at the door no more. Dear Lola was just sick 2 days. A little babe was born on Tuesday night 7 O’clock and Lola died the following Thursday eave at 5:30. She suffered so much but she never complained. She would just pray for God to have mercy on her. She was so bad and suffered so much that she didn’t say anything about dying. She said to Sister, a few minutes before she died, that her feet and hands felt so numb. That was death and she didn’t realize it or she was so bad she couldn’t talk one. Mother asked Lola if she wanted to tell them something and she looked so wishful and didn’t say anything. Children you have lost your best friend and she can’t come to you but you can go to her. Just do as Dear Mother taught you to do and don’t forget that you will see her some sweet day when God sees fit to call us home to live with her forever. There a precious one from us has got a voice we loved. Is_________a place is vacant in our home that never can be filled. Sleep on Dear Sister and take your rest for you worked and toiled and made so many things with those sweet hands and done so many kind deeds here that you will live on here in our memory. I would give the world if I could see that sweet face one more time. You are missed at Church. That humble face will live on. You are missed at home and everywhere we go. We could not wish you back to suffer but we wish you could be with us. You suffered your part and now sleep on that sweet sleep that knows no disturbance until that Resurrection morn. Then your sweet precious body will come forth from the grave and be fashioned like the body of our Precious Lord. OH that day is the day I am looking forward to. Then I feel like that will be one reunion. Daddy, Mother, Husband, Children, Brothers and Sisters and meet to part no more. OH happy thought. Her funeral was conducted at the Friendship Church with a large congregation Bro. Cantrell, C.L. Thomason, E.S. Frye after which she was laid to rest in Kemp Cemetery, Defeated, TN. Written by a heart broken lonely Sister that loved her so much. Mrs. Billie Lankford-919 Elvira Ave.-Nashville, TN Patti Lankford McNeal Eldon Wilkins <MelEl512@att.net> wrote: Kemp Seekers and friendly helpers.... If you have any information about any of these people will you please join in and give us your information...We are trying to identify all the these Kemp connections. (Interesting that none of the Kemps in this Anderson Cemetery were recognizable to me with as much Kemp info as I had collected over the years.) Thanks Melba & Gary -------Original Message------- From: G.J.Pace Date: 10/24/05 21:08:23 To: Eldon Wilkins Cc: bill_kemp@comcast.net; Mary Knight; Judith Holley Subject: Re: Kemp, Edgar McKenney Born 1896 Defeated, TN Melba, The Lola in the Anderson Cemetery near Hoggtown is not the Lola, daughter of Harvey & Dora. Here are the details on Harvey & Dora's Lola: Lola Kemp (4 June 1903 – 1 Jan. 2005) [LDVSS] married William C. (Willie) Gammon, Sr. (? – 1960). [DDCO] They resided in Webbtown, Macon Co., TN; Lola passed in Madison. I know nothing at all of these Kemps - can anyone out there help, or should I post? KEMP, Allie 15 May 1893‑ 25 Mar 1925 KEMP, Edgar McKenney 17-Jan-37 WW I Born 1896 KEMP, Edgar McKenney, Jr. 13 Jan 1923 – 30 Jan 1936 KEMP, Madeline 6 Sep 1916 ‑ 9 Sep 1962 KEMP, Lola May 22 Jun 1904 ‑ 3 Mar 1938 Lola & Marhta Kemp removed to Defeated Memorial Gardens KEMP, Martha Frances 1 Mar 1938 ‑ 1 mar 1938 I've placed (already had, in fact) all the Kemp WWI vets annnotated as such. Will look at the others "one of these days" Gary Eldon Wilkins wrote: > Some of you probably have this but here is what I found in the Anderson Cem > in Hogtown, Sm. Co. Hwy 85... > >Edgar McKenney Kemp - no birth date - 17 Jan 1937 WWI > >buried next to Allie Kemp 15 May 1893 - 25 Mar 1925 (don't know if was his >wife or not). > >Not far down from them is > >Hailey Kemp 3 July 1868 - 19 Mar 1966 and wife > >Maggie (Kennedy we know) Kemp 4 Jan 1881 - 7 May 1966. > >Also in this cem. is > >Lola May Kemp 1904 - 1938 > >Martha Frances Kemp 1938 - 1938 > >(I believe Martha may be dau/of Lola???) > >Madeline Kemp 6 Sept 1916 - 9 Sept 1952 > > > >Some of these graves-Lola May & Martha I understand were > >moved to Defeated Mem. Gardens. I believe Hailey and > >Maggies were moved to Carthage Smith Mem. Gardens. > > > >??Was this Lola Kemp the same Lola d/o of Harvey Kemp > >and Dora Cartwritht who md____Gammon??? > > > >So Gary...that WWI info I sent will keep you busy (and me too) > >now. > > > >Melba > > > >-------Original Message------- > > > >From: G.J.Pace > >Date: 10/23/05 23:30:54 > >To: Robbie Frye; Judith Holley; Andrea & Kevin Kemp; bill_kemp@comcast.net; >Mary Knight; Melba Wilkins > >Subject: Kemp, Edgar McKenney Born 1896 Defeated, TN > > > >Gang, > > > >I found this reference in the list of SMith Co, TN WWI vets. Does > >anyone recognize him and know where he fits into the lines? Info about > >him, siblings, children, parents? > > > >Thanks, > >Gary > > > > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories Wills, Fokelore, To The Smith Co Web Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Teresa...to my knowledge there are none of the Smith Co., Books available.. you might contact the Smith Co. Historial Society , Carthage, to see if any of the Smith County History would be considered as another printing... rather doubt they will reprint the Cemetery Books as they are online...and check ebay to see if any out there. M. -------Original Message------- From: teresa whittemore Date: 10/25/05 16:00:23 To: TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Re: books for sale Jenny and all who replied, Thanks for info on census, but I would still love to have books. Someday my computor and software will be outdated or dead and the books will still be here. Teresa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny M. Calvin" <jcalvin5@cafes.net> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 7:42 PM Subject: [TNSMITH] Re: books for sale > The censuses (1820-1930, excl. 1890 obviously) are available on cd from SK > Publications for $30 for all of them. What a deal! Many, many thanks to > those who helped to make these available. I've spent *many* late nights > digging. . . . :-) > > Jenny > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "teresa whittemore" <harper@nctc.com> > To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 3:08 PM > Subject: books for sale > > >> List, >> I have several families from Smith County. Are there any research books >> available for sale? >> Would love to have census, cemetery, etc to look at during my late night >> "Digging" >> Teresa >> >> ______________________________ > > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories > Wills, Fokelore, To The Smith Co Web Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== Add Your Surnames to Our Smith County Surnames Page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/surnames.htm

It is fun...once in a while we run into those who want to put a crimp in our fun! I haven't figured out how you and Cal are related but sure you must be. I never met him in person...when Pappy Green (my g. father) died Cal preached his funeral...I had just graduated high school but paid for the ticket for Dad to go back....He is buried on the K. Reece property high on the Hill at Canter Cem. You are most welcome...I really do appreciate you...when I come across the column of Cals' re the Green family (and I do have a cc of the original) I can transcribe it and send to you by email, unless you prefer different method. I don't know when you began the website...I just got on it a few months ago....and everyone I know says "it is the best one out there." Want to put some of my info on there when I can pull it together....still trying to get my office in order from our move 3 years ago...I love the picture section and would love to be able to collect some of my Green lines....don't have much... our home caught fire the day after Dad moved us to Knoxville and a sister was caught in it and burned to death...consequently not many photos of then 1936 and backwards. Melba -------Original Message------- From: Charles Gregory Date: 10/25/05 15:38:22 To: TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Census vrs records!!! yes it is better than a crossword puzzle and more fun ! And Cal got me going on this genealogy journey many years ago as well.. Melba thanks for the kind words this is our hobby / part time job and we have come so far haven't we ....<g> Charlie Eldon Wilkins wrote: > But isn't it fun??? And exciting when you figure all these people > out...better than crossword puzzles. > > Re Cal's (Gregory of Macon Co.) Column...I have found his records to be > factual as far as my Green family. That article > in the early 50's was the beginning of my diggin' in the census. > How thankful I have always been for his keeping tract of families > so we would be able to use it today. > > And to Charlie....again I thank you for the service you and others > are giving us...I have so enjoyed meeting other wonderful > people who are willing to share and work together as we > build our families of the past. Thanks, Thanks, Thanks. > > Melba > > Melba > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Mary Miller > Date: 10/25/05 07:31:32 > To: TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Census vrs records!!! > > I like to get at least 3 census - say 1850, 1860, 1870 - and then compare > the age for an approximate date and so state it in my records - if I have > nothing else. > > One census year people were advised before it began to write down all the > people in the household and their proper age in case they were out in the > field or gone from home on the day the census taker arrived. This was > because of so many errors in names, dates of birth, and place of birth. > Often one of the older children would be at home taking care of the younger > children and would get things wrong.......or a new second wife might not get > the ages of all the children from a previous marriage correct. Also - I > love how people would change their names. For example the father might be > Peter and the son Peter Isaac.....when the child was young the family called > him Isaac, then when he was grown he might have used his official name of > Peter or Peter I...it also seems women were very willing to change their > names when they got married, to use a middle name or just pick a name they > liked better than the one they were given at birth.....that makes marriage > records interesting because it is usually the first time the young woman > could give her name as SHE wanted to be called and not what her parents > called her. And again, you have to know that Polly or Molly might have been > a Mary, or that Maggie could have been Margaret, etc. Then you throw in > some of those horrible names used at one point - think they were Greek > Goddesses or something...... > > Mary > > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Visit Photos Of Cemeteries Of Smith County > Over 500 + Cemeteries online with pictures and Descriptions > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/cempics.htm > > > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project. > Already In Progress! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project. Already In Progress! http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm

I have a direct ancestor named Lucinda Harwell born 1814 in Smith County, Tennessee. Could she be one of yours? Pat Greenwood I hear ethereal voices, persuasive soft and still, Daughter, if you don't remember us, who will?

yes it is better than a crossword puzzle and more fun ! And Cal got me going on this genealogy journey many years ago as well.. Melba thanks for the kind words this is our hobby / part time job and we have come so far haven't we ....<g> Charlie Eldon Wilkins wrote: > But isn't it fun??? And exciting when you figure all these people > out...better than crossword puzzles. > > Re Cal's (Gregory of Macon Co.) Column...I have found his records to be > factual as far as my Green family. That article > in the early 50's was the beginning of my diggin' in the census. > How thankful I have always been for his keeping tract of families > so we would be able to use it today. > > And to Charlie....again I thank you for the service you and others > are giving us...I have so enjoyed meeting other wonderful > people who are willing to share and work together as we > build our families of the past. Thanks, Thanks, Thanks. > > Melba > > Melba > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Mary Miller > Date: 10/25/05 07:31:32 > To: TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Census vrs records!!! > > I like to get at least 3 census - say 1850, 1860, 1870 - and then compare > the age for an approximate date and so state it in my records - if I have > nothing else. > > One census year people were advised before it began to write down all the > people in the household and their proper age in case they were out in the > field or gone from home on the day the census taker arrived. This was > because of so many errors in names, dates of birth, and place of birth. > Often one of the older children would be at home taking care of the younger > children and would get things wrong.......or a new second wife might not get > the ages of all the children from a previous marriage correct. Also - I > love how people would change their names. For example the father might be > Peter and the son Peter Isaac.....when the child was young the family called > him Isaac, then when he was grown he might have used his official name of > Peter or Peter I...it also seems women were very willing to change their > names when they got married, to use a middle name or just pick a name they > liked better than the one they were given at birth.....that makes marriage > records interesting because it is usually the first time the young woman > could give her name as SHE wanted to be called and not what her parents > called her. And again, you have to know that Polly or Molly might have been > a Mary, or that Maggie could have been Margaret, etc. Then you throw in > some of those horrible names used at one point - think they were Greek > Goddesses or something...... > > Mary > > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Visit Photos Of Cemeteries Of Smith County > Over 500 + Cemeteries online with pictures and Descriptions > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/cempics.htm > > > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project. > Already In Progress! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm >

My great-great-grandmother gave me fits when I was first trying to find her. I knew her name as Rachel, but I couldn't find a Rachel with parents in 1850. Her son's obit gave her name as Rachel Lee, which didn't help any. Her sister's death certificate gave her parents' names, so I went back to the 1850 census. There was an Elizabeth in the family, but that still didn't fit. When I finally found her tombstone, it tied everything together -- her name was "Rachel E." -- thus explaining the "Rachel Lee" and Elizabeth! Jenny

I'm a bit of a source freak, mainly b/c I keep finding conflicting information (such as what you're talking about). I generally document a person's age each time I find it -- e.g., my sources will say, "1850 census - age 8; 1860 census - age 20; 1870 census - age 29; Family Bible c. 1849 gives exact date of birth [ha ha, wouldn't that be nice!]." On some people in my family file, I easily have 8-10 sources for date of birth; sometimes they all agree completely, and sometimes no two are alike. You just have to pick the date that seems most accurate. One word of caution: some tombstones are put up many years later, which makes them less guaranteed to be correct than one which was put up the week after the person's death. One researcher told me that her aunt had had a tombstone made for an ancestor, and then later found out that she had her name incorrect. But there it is, engraved in stone, to confuse all future researchers. :-) Jenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Gregory" <gregoryc@charter.net> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 9:35 PM Subject: Census vrs records!!! > then i would go with family history and a tombstone any day > over a census but would note the possible error for future > researchers! > > Charlie > > > > > Rosanne Vrugtman wrote: >> I'm curious about the "accuracy" of the Census reports. My uncle SWEARS >> that Henry S. Goad was born in 1840. That's what all the (local) history >> books/reports say, that's what the family history says, and that is, in >> fact, what it says on his tombstone. (My brother, uncle, aunt and I >> toured >> a number of family cemeteries on Sunday and I have pictures!) However, >> the >> 1850 Smith County Census indicates that Henry was 8 years old at that >> time--which would put his birth year at 1842. I've also seen 1842 in a >> number of different places, so I don't know which is correct. Any >> clues/suggestions? >> >> Rosanne (Goad) Vrugtman >> St. Louis, MO >>

In a message dated 10/25/2005 6:12:38 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, TNSMITH-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: I would go with the family records and put in my notes field what census, etc. states....A census about birth date can be as much as 2 to 5 years off, depending on what the census taker heard.....generally folks will go with the tombstone, but then my grandmother's birth date is wrong...because the stone cutter made an error....Census reports are one of the greatest tools available to locate your family....start with 1850 and work this way.....that was the first census to tie relationships. I'll bet when you check the 1860, 70, 80 (if Henry were still living) you may not find the birth years matches either). Recently I found a fellow who for 30 years the census had his age perfect...that is a first. I love teaching the use of the census records...when you get into them you develop stories without having ever met those folks. Fun but time consuming but worthwhile. Melba In regards to the above.. I had a great uncle whom I knew as a little girl.. He often boasted that he only had a birthday every 4 years, as he was born February 29, 1880. My aunt (and census records) showed his age reflecting 1880. Fortunately my aunt bought him a tombstone with the correct date before her death.. BUT... some of the family said he was born in 1882 and even challenged me with that info.. showing me some old records with the date of 1882.

Sharon....I wonder if, in those other areas, you are finding on the census they could "read, write, were at school"....In the Middle Tennessee country areas, I have found many of my family could not obtain the education needed...at times they were needed at home to work the farms and/or help raise children when a mother had passed on at far too young an age. Hence...the various spellings and strange names. M. -------Original Message------- From: FmlyTracer@aol.com Date: 10/25/05 05:23:45 To: TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] census v records In a message dated 10/25/2005 8:09:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, llewis001@centurytel.net writes: Still the creative names used in the census records seems to me to have been a southern thing. My other families in New England, Indiana, Ohio and Missouri didn't play with their names and ages the way my Smith county peeps did. ---- Southern folk seemed to more spread out than more populated states, and they had/have a different level of familiarity than those north of the Ohio River. Ex: In the North, "hun" is a word for affection; in the South it's a form of salutation. It's the southern eccentricities that make us so "special". <g> Sharon Tabor ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== Visit Photos Of Cemeteries Of Smith County Over 500 + Cemeteries online with pictures and Descriptions http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/cempics.htm

But isn't it fun??? And exciting when you figure all these people out...better than crossword puzzles. Having been born in Nashville I am acquainted with that "southern twang". When I see a name that looks funny I just sit and prounounce it over and over until it comes out right...for 10 years I had a middle name of Minchey on a cousin of Dads' (and there are Minchey family in Tenn) as that is what he heard when actual name was McHenry. I make it a practice to copy in my notes the exact spelling as recorded in the census, and then add my notes of knowledge below that. And while we are on documentation - About 30 years ago my aunt who was born/reared/died in the area was tickled "pink" when she saw how I was collecting family histories. In my before computer notes I wrote the date and her name and what she told me. Over the years with census records all I had recorded of her past memories I found to be factual. My sources matched. Re Cal's (Gregory of Macon Co.) Column...I have found his records to be factual as far as my Green family. That article in the early 50's was the beginning of my diggin' in the census. How thankful I have always been for his keeping tract of families so we would be able to use it today. And to Charlie....again I thank you for the service you and others are giving us...I have so enjoyed meeting other wonderful people who are willing to share and work together as we build our families of the past. Thanks, Thanks, Thanks. Melba Melba -------Original Message------- From: Mary Miller Date: 10/25/05 07:31:32 To: TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Census vrs records!!! I like to get at least 3 census - say 1850, 1860, 1870 - and then compare the age for an approximate date and so state it in my records - if I have nothing else. One census year people were advised before it began to write down all the people in the household and their proper age in case they were out in the field or gone from home on the day the census taker arrived. This was because of so many errors in names, dates of birth, and place of birth. Often one of the older children would be at home taking care of the younger children and would get things wrong.......or a new second wife might not get the ages of all the children from a previous marriage correct. Also - I love how people would change their names. For example the father might be Peter and the son Peter Isaac.....when the child was young the family called him Isaac, then when he was grown he might have used his official name of Peter or Peter I...it also seems women were very willing to change their names when they got married, to use a middle name or just pick a name they liked better than the one they were given at birth.....that makes marriage records interesting because it is usually the first time the young woman could give her name as SHE wanted to be called and not what her parents called her. And again, you have to know that Polly or Molly might have been a Mary, or that Maggie could have been Margaret, etc. Then you throw in some of those horrible names used at one point - think they were Greek Goddesses or something...... Mary ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== Visit Photos Of Cemeteries Of Smith County Over 500 + Cemeteries online with pictures and Descriptions http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/cempics.htm

In a message dated 10/25/2005 8:09:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, llewis001@centurytel.net writes: Still the creative names used in the census records seems to me to have been a southern thing. My other families in New England, Indiana, Ohio and Missouri didn't play with their names and ages the way my Smith county peeps did. ---- Southern folk seemed to more spread out than more populated states, and they had/have a different level of familiarity than those north of the Ohio River. Ex: In the North, "hun" is a word for affection; in the South it's a form of salutation. It's the southern eccentricities that make us so "special". <g> Sharon Tabor

In a message dated 10/24/2005 10:35:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gregoryc@charter.net writes: , the > 1850 Smith County Census indicates that Henry was 8 years old at that > time--which would put his birth year at 1842. I've also seen 1842 in a > number of different places, so I don't know which is correct. Any > clues/suggestions? > > Rosanne (Goad) Vrugtman > St. Louis, MO ---- There could very easily be at least a 1 year discrepancy in age depending on the date of the census vs. the birthdate. What does the 1860 and 1870 census state? Missing an age by a couple of years wasn't difficult. If I had a boat load of kids, and I couldn't read or write to put their names and dates in a Bible, I'm not sure I would be 100% accurate on their ages. Census are good for many things, but ages is not it. I have one family that the ages are completely wrong and locations of birth are overseas where they were all born in KY or IL. Obviously a neighbor or landlord gave the information and just made something up. I know it's the same family due to other research. Sharon Tabor

In a message dated 10/24/05 11:28:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, MelEl512@att.net writes: The Lola in the Anderson Cemetery near Hoggtown is not the Lola, daughter of Harvey & Dora. Here are the details on Harvey & Dora's Lola: Lola Kemp (4 June 1903 – 1 Jan. 2005) [LDVSS] married William C. (Willie) Gammon, Sr. (? – 1960). [DDCO] They resided in Webbtown, Macon Co., TN; Lola passed in Madison. I just realized that I have a William C "Billie Dodd" Gammon, b. Feb 1817 married in 1889 to Mary Melinda Gifford. I have a son, Willis, attached to them, b. c 1855, so I KNOW this is incorrect!!! :>( So, Now I'm wondering if Lola, was his first wife and Willis or Willie? was their son?? (Or is this a DIFFERENT Wm Gammon??) Sue Sue Gregory, 706 Scarlett Place Lebanon, TN, 37087-3263

Gary, I know it's a long shot, and just a "Guess" by me, but who is "Eddie M Kemp", son of William Layton and Martha Ann "Mollie" Hackett?? COULD it be him?? I don't have dates on the children born of Layton and Mollie, nor do I have spouses of all of them. (would like that if YOU have it. Thanks, Sue Sue Gregory, 706 Scarlett Place Lebanon, TN, 37087-3263