I am also researching an Owen/s line in the Smith County area. I have Daisy Oliver Boulton b. abt. 1895 in Carthage, TN. Her mother was Elizabeth Francis Owens (I'm not sure if Owens was her maiden name or perhaps a first husband's name. One source has her parents as Barnet and Rebecca Owens---another has her parents as Thomas and Francis Hughes) Elizabeth married David Morgan Boulton. Daisy was their daughter. I think Elizabeth may have had one brother and two sisters. Would appreciate any help on this line. Thanks, Claudia

Larry, What Ballard line are you researching? I'm not a Ballard researcher, but if you post some names and dates, someone will possibly be able to help you. The Ballard line that I had looked up some information on was the slave family believed to have been owned by John and Ann Ballard. Velma --------------- I would be interested in information about the Ballards. Larry >>> <MyFamilySearch@cs.com> 10/27/05 1:55 PM >>> Carol, I believe this is the family I did some research on for a graduate student at MTSU. She was working on a display for the Smith County Museum about "Women at Work " in Smith County, 1880-1930. She contacted me because I had posted a photo of Tennie Wester on the Smith County web pages. I believe her full name was Susan Tennessee "Tennie" Ballard and married Simon Wester. Tennie worked for my great-grandparents as a nanny. I believe she was Harriett's sister. If you think this is your family, I'd be happy to send you what I found. The photo is at www.tngennet.org/smith Velma

I asked for suggestions on how to keep work organized and easily trackable even though I have been doing this since 1966. A lot of you have told how you have accomplished this. Each person has a different way of doing it but it all comes back to the same way. The easiest way for each of us. It seems like I have thought of all the ways you have but it still remains a fact that I have steno books galore, index cards, post-it notes both in steno books and on family sheets, pages copied out of books, printed e-mails, boxes and boxes of literature all over the place. I hope that all the suggestions put forth will help those of you who are beginners and those who have things strewn from here to there. And to all beginners do not make the mistake that I did when I first started. Document, document, document. On census records put the district, date, page and line number. If you get info from someone document that person's name and date. It might not be a bad idea to list their relationship. If the info comes from a book document the title, author, and the page number. There is nothing more aggravating than having some info from a book and needing to recheck it or get additional info only to have forgotten the name of the book and page. Where the book is located is also a good thing to have. I also made the mistake when I first started of getting only the names of people I knew fit into my tree. Later I realized that some I had rejected were ones that I needed.

That's strange that members of the same family would spell it differently. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Harvill" <gsharvil@bellsouth.net> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 9:12 PM Subject: RE: [TNSMITH] Harwell and messed up spellings > Peggy > > Absalom Reems Harvill(e) was born 15 Dec 1849 married Amanda Smith in 10 > Aug > 1871, died in Cumberland County 15 Oct 1932 buried in Campground at > Clarkrange Tenn. > > > Just a note part of my Aunts and uncles spell Harvill with an e (Harville) > some don't. > Thanks > > Jerry Harvill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peggy Coleman [mailto:graciepmarvel@bellsouth.net] > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:58 PM > To: TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Harwell and messed up spellings > > I have seen his name spelled Reams also. I have him born December 1849/50 > in Smith Co, TN. Is this what you have? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Harvill" <gsharvil@bellsouth.net> > To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:21 PM > Subject: RE: [TNSMITH] Harwell and messed up spellings > > >> Peggy, >> >> I had the same problem with my Great grand Father Absalom Reems Harvill >> (Harvel , Harvell, Harville). He end up in Cumberland County TN, but >> never >> knew where he came from. >> >> He was born in 1849 >> >> The 1850 census had him listed as Reems HARVELL >> The 1860 Census had him listed as Alfred G Harvill >> The 1870 Census listed him as Absalom Harvel >> Absolom R. Harvel married Podemanda (Amanda) Smith Aug 10, 1871 in Smith >> County. >> >> Most people have Alfred as being dead before 1860. >> >> BTW I have seen spellings for Harvill as HARVEL, HARVELL, HARVIL , >> HARVILL, >> HARVILLE and sometimes HARREL or HARWELL >> >> Thanks >> >> Jerry Harvill >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Linda Lewis [mailto:llewis001@centurytel.net] >> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:06 PM >> To: TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Harwell and messed up spellings >> >> I know that, I just haven't seen Lucinda before in my tree. Those names >> can >> >> really get messed up. >> I located my grandfather Ernest Carlisle only by accident in Smith >> county >> 1930 census. His last name was garbled beyond recognition, but he was >> living with his in laws. James Turner Harville and Fannie. >> Linda >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peggy Coleman" <graciepmarvel@bellsouth.net> >> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 10:49 AM >> Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Harwell >> >> >>> Linda, Harville, Harvel, Harvil, was sometimes written as Harwell in >>> some >> >>> of the census records. Not sure which census record or which >>> individual. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Linda Lewis" <llewis001@centurytel.net> >>> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 10:36 AM >>> Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Harwell >>> >>> >>>> Pat were you asking me? Because of my Harville line? I'm aware that a >>>> Harwell family shows up in Smith county. I don't know if she could be >>>> one of mine or not. I haven't seen her name before. >>>> Linda Carlisle Lewis >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: <GREENWPAT@aol.com> >>>> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 2:19 PM >>>> Subject: [TNSMITH] Harwell >>>> >>>> >>>>>I have a direct ancestor named Lucinda Harwell born 1814 in Smith >>>>>County, >>>>> Tennessee. Could she be one of yours? >>>>> >>>>> Pat Greenwood >>>>> I hear ethereal voices, persuasive soft and still, >>>>> Daughter, if you don't remember us, who will? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >>>>> Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project... >>>>> Already in Progress! >>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >>>> Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories >>>> Wills, Fokelore,Links To The Smith Co Web Project >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >>> Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project. >>> Already In Progress! >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >> Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories >> Wills, Fokelore,Links To The Smith Co Web Project >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >> Smith County Cemeteries North and South Of The Cumberland River >> at The Smith County Historical and Genealogical Society website: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/hg/cems_north/ >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/hg/cems_south/ >> >> > > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project. > Already In Progress! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm > > > > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories > Wills, Fokelore, To The Smith Co Web Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ > >

After reading this I can understand it. I have many families that have many, many children so that is part of my problem. My husband has one ancestor that had 21 children. Unfortunately I do not have all the names and probably never will. I have a feeling some died at a very young age. Then you get these men that married more than one time having lots of children by each spouse. I have thought about using a three ring binder with alphabetical dividers for the surnames and going with that but would only be able to have a sheet with each individual name and references as to where to find them (for example which generation and which family since I have Alcorns marrying Alcorns etc, and brothers of a family marrying sisters of a family, and brothers marrying their deceased brother's wife). Thanks for the tip. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny M. Calvin" <jcalvin5@cafes.net> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Harwell and messed up spellings / paper organization > > I am going to have to forget >>> everything else and find a way to put all of my genealogy sheets in some >>> kind of order so I can find them. Any suggestions as to how to do this? > > I don't know if my method would work for everyone, but it works well for > me. I keep everything in Family Tree Maker as well as in notebooks. > Here's how I have my notebooks organized: > > I use photo albums from Century Plastics because they are wider than > regular notebooks (I order the albums without any photo pages). I get > straight-cut manilla file folders, cut them in half and discard the > "front" half so that I have only what is the back of a file folder, and > then three-hole punch it. Then, using 1/5 cut alphabet tabs as a guide, I > cut them at either A, B, C, D, or E level. The A level is for the oldest > known ancestor of a particular surname, B level for his children, C level > for his grandchildren, etc. Then I file the paperwork (family group > sheet, census records, marriage records, photos, etc.) in sheet protectors > behind the proper divider. I buy sheet protectors at Sam's in massive > quantities. > > Of course, families that I have spent more time on end up being divided > into several notebooks, often requiring a new notebook for each direct > ancestor -- so he would have essentially an empty "B" tab in his father's > notebook to hold his place among his siblings, and then he becomes an "A" > tab in his own notebook with all his children, grandchildren, etc. > > It took me a while to come up with this system, but it was the only way I > could get the dividers to stick out beyond the sheet protectors so I could > see them. My original method of just having a file folder for each > surname quickly became incomprehensible, especially since I am trying to > trace each ancestor's descendants down for at least 2 or 3 generations. > You get one patriarch with 11 children who each have several children and > grandchildren, and they all begin to run together! > > I hope this explanation makes sense -- I wish I could just show you! > > Jenny Calvin > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Have you updated your Smith County Query lately? > http://www.tngennet.org/queries/qpost.htm > >

I would be interested in information about the Ballards. Larry >>> <MyFamilySearch@cs.com> 10/27/05 1:55 PM >>> Carol, I believe this is the family I did some research on for a graduate student at MTSU. She was working on a display for the Smith County Museum about "Women at Work " in Smith County, 1880-1930. She contacted me because I had posted a photo of Tennie Wester on the Smith County web pages. I believe her full name was Susan Tennessee "Tennie" Ballard and married Simon Wester. Tennie worked for my great-grandparents as a nanny. I believe she was Harriett's sister. If you think this is your family, I'd be happy to send you what I found. The photo is at www.tngennet.org/smith Velma ______________________________

I am not sure if FTM has it but the (hanging and not connected) part would certainly be good to have. I need to take a lot of time, bite the bullet and get that done. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eldon Wilkins" <MelEl512@att.net> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Harwell and messed up spellings / paper organization > Re organization: My computer program allows > me to put in a family (hanging and not connected)...I can > go to the index looking for an individual through a search > mode and as I find who they "belong" to I can merge that > individual to either parents or siblings to parents. > > I used to do it the notebook way...but it drove me crazy...now > all I do is add the individual (say from a census with his family) > with all I find and go to his/her notes and add the source of > what I found. Sometimes it is years later before I can connect > the individual but there it is when I need it. > > Sometimes I have several with similar names in the index, > some off census, and some with marriage record and not > sure it is same individual....later on I find they are the same > and I merge them to one individual or family. > > Most important for all - make a backup of information each > time you finish in that file for the day. > > Doesn't family tree maker have the same options? > > Melba > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Jenny M. Calvin > Date: 10/27/05 19:37:13 > To: TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Harwell and messed up spellings / paper > organization > > I am going to have to forget >>> everything else and find a way to put all of my genealogy sheets in some >>> kind of order so I can find them. Any suggestions as to how to do this? > > I don't know if my method would work for everyone, but it works well for > me. > I keep everything in Family Tree Maker as well as in notebooks. Here's how > I have my notebooks organized: > > I use photo albums from Century Plastics because they are wider than > regular > notebooks (I order the albums without any photo pages). I get straight-cut > manilla file folders, cut them in half and discard the "front" half so > that > I have only what is the back of a file folder, and then three-hole punch > it. > Then, using 1/5 cut alphabet tabs as a guide, I cut them at either A, B, > C, > D, or E level. The A level is for the oldest known ancestor of a > particular > surname, B level for his children, C level for his grandchildren, etc. > Then > I file the paperwork (family group sheet, census records, marriage > records, > photos, etc.) in sheet protectors behind the proper divider. I buy sheet > protectors at Sam's in massive quantities. > > Of course, families that I have spent more time on end up being divided > into > several notebooks, often requiring a new notebook for each direct > ancestor -- so he would have essentially an empty "B" tab in his father's > notebook to hold his place among his siblings, and then he becomes an "A" > tab in his own notebook with all his children, grandchildren, etc. > > It took me a while to come up with this system, but it was the only way I > could get the dividers to stick out beyond the sheet protectors so I could > see them. My original method of just having a file folder for each surname > quickly became incomprehensible, especially since I am trying to trace > each > ancestor's descendants down for at least 2 or 3 generations. You get one > patriarch with 11 children who each have several children and > grandchildren, > and they all begin to run together! > > I hope this explanation makes sense -- I wish I could just show you! > > Jenny Calvin > > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Have you updated your Smith County Query lately? > http://www.tngennet.org/queries/qpost.htm > > > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories > Wills, Fokelore, To The Smith Co Web Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ > >

Wonder if someone out there can tell us where to look for meanings of names. Sure wish this man was still around. He was elderly when I found him. He was interviewed on the radio here in Nashville and gave his address for inquiries. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cis1052@aol.com> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Harwell and messed up spellings >I know what you mean about unusual names....I have a Goolesberry, last name > MEADOR, I am researching and wonder how that name started and what it > means. > > Cheryl Davis-Holman > Cis1052@aol.com > Researching ..... > > Davis, Scott, Duncan, Fite of VA - NC - DeKalb Co., TN > Wilson, Saylors of Ireland - Scotland - Hall Co., GA > Hansen, Watson, Simpson, Condie of England - Scotland - Salt Lake, UT > Holman, Wilds, Walter, Meador, Hopper of Germany, MO, Lake & Santa Clara > Co., > CA > Crespo, Martinez, Sanchez of Spain - Contra Costa & Santa Clara Co., CA > > > Burket > or Berket. I wonder about these odd names. My grandfather was named > Aldra. > > > > > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories > Wills, Fokelore, To The Smith Co Web Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ > >

Count me out. Too many msgs that should be between individuals not on TNSMITH

I know what you mean about unusual names....I have a Goolesberry, last name MEADOR, I am researching and wonder how that name started and what it means. Cheryl Davis-Holman Cis1052@aol.com Researching ..... Davis, Scott, Duncan, Fite of VA - NC - DeKalb Co., TN Wilson, Saylors of Ireland - Scotland - Hall Co., GA Hansen, Watson, Simpson, Condie of England - Scotland - Salt Lake, UT Holman, Wilds, Walter, Meador, Hopper of Germany, MO, Lake & Santa Clara Co., CA Crespo, Martinez, Sanchez of Spain - Contra Costa & Santa Clara Co., CA Burket or Berket. I wonder about these odd names. My grandfather was named Aldra.

Melba, I appreciate additions and corrections. I will add info to ftm and when I upload latest gedcom, it should show up. Thank you, Patti Eldon Wilkins <MelEl512@att.net> wrote: Patti, Again...just trying to be helpful...not nitpicky...For those who have not gone to your website they are missing something. I noted re family of Henry Dickerson/Bessie Lena Hackett that you are missing one of their sons. William Harlen was born after Lillie Mai, being born Aug 1909 and he died on 12 March 1910. Many times in information given to me they forget the deceased children, sometimes because they never knew them, and sometimes because no one talked about the deceased children. If anyone finds an error with this please let me know. Melba ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project... Already in Progress! http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm Patti McNeal www.tribalpages.com/tribes/ghostspy --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

I have Family tree makes which makes the job a lot easier. Since I use and repair computers every day , I tend to use it more than most. I send you a family sheet to see what I am missing from your group. Thanks Jerry Harvill -----Original Message----- From: Peggy Coleman [mailto:graciepmarvel@bellsouth.net] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 6:06 PM To: TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Harwell and messed up spellings BTW I did write down his wife's name and the place and date of marriage. Wonder where his name came from and what it means. Also his brother Burket or Berket. I wonder about these odd names. My grandfather was named Aldra. There was a man here in Nashville about 20 years ago who specialized in telling people who odd names meant. Aldra means first. Wish he was available to do that now. I am going to have to forget everything else and find a way to put all of my genealogy sheets in some kind of order so I can find them. Any suggestions as to how to do this? When you have so many last names to deal with. I have Family Tree Maker but have not worked with it for years. That helps locate people but does not help with all the paperwork you accumulate over time. I have been doing this since 1965 and have a lot of paper. Help. Anyone? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Harvill" <gsharvil@bellsouth.net> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:21 PM Subject: RE: [TNSMITH] Harwell and messed up spellings > Peggy, > > I had the same problem with my Great grand Father Absalom Reems Harvill > (Harvel , Harvell, Harville). He end up in Cumberland County TN, but > never > knew where he came from. > > He was born in 1849 > > The 1850 census had him listed as Reems HARVELL > The 1860 Census had him listed as Alfred G Harvill > The 1870 Census listed him as Absalom Harvel > Absolom R. Harvel married Podemanda (Amanda) Smith Aug 10, 1871 in Smith > County. > > Most people have Alfred as being dead before 1860. > > BTW I have seen spellings for Harvill as HARVEL, HARVELL, HARVIL , > HARVILL, > HARVILLE and sometimes HARREL or HARWELL > > Thanks > > Jerry Harvill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Lewis [mailto:llewis001@centurytel.net] > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:06 PM > To: TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Harwell and messed up spellings > > I know that, I just haven't seen Lucinda before in my tree. Those names > can > > really get messed up. > I located my grandfather Ernest Carlisle only by accident in Smith county > 1930 census. His last name was garbled beyond recognition, but he was > living with his in laws. James Turner Harville and Fannie. > Linda > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peggy Coleman" <graciepmarvel@bellsouth.net> > To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 10:49 AM > Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Harwell > > >> Linda, Harville, Harvel, Harvil, was sometimes written as Harwell in >> some > >> of the census records. Not sure which census record or which individual. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Linda Lewis" <llewis001@centurytel.net> >> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 10:36 AM >> Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Harwell >> >> >>> Pat were you asking me? Because of my Harville line? I'm aware that a >>> Harwell family shows up in Smith county. I don't know if she could be >>> one of mine or not. I haven't seen her name before. >>> Linda Carlisle Lewis >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <GREENWPAT@aol.com> >>> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 2:19 PM >>> Subject: [TNSMITH] Harwell >>> >>> >>>>I have a direct ancestor named Lucinda Harwell born 1814 in Smith >>>>County, >>>> Tennessee. Could she be one of yours? >>>> >>>> Pat Greenwood >>>> I hear ethereal voices, persuasive soft and still, >>>> Daughter, if you don't remember us, who will? >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >>>> Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project... >>>> Already in Progress! >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >>> Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories >>> Wills, Fokelore,Links To The Smith Co Web Project >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >> Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project. >> Already In Progress! >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm >> >> >> > > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories > Wills, Fokelore,Links To The Smith Co Web Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ > > > > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Smith County Cemeteries North and South Of The Cumberland River > at The Smith County Historical and Genealogical Society website: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/hg/cems_north/ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/hg/cems_south/ > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== Visit Photos Of Cemeteries Of Smith County Over 500 + Cemeteries online with pictures and Descriptions http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/cempics.htm

Peggy Absalom Reems Harvill(e) was born 15 Dec 1849 married Amanda Smith in 10 Aug 1871, died in Cumberland County 15 Oct 1932 buried in Campground at Clarkrange Tenn. Just a note part of my Aunts and uncles spell Harvill with an e (Harville) some don't. Thanks Jerry Harvill -----Original Message----- From: Peggy Coleman [mailto:graciepmarvel@bellsouth.net] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:58 PM To: TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Harwell and messed up spellings I have seen his name spelled Reams also. I have him born December 1849/50 in Smith Co, TN. Is this what you have? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Harvill" <gsharvil@bellsouth.net> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:21 PM Subject: RE: [TNSMITH] Harwell and messed up spellings > Peggy, > > I had the same problem with my Great grand Father Absalom Reems Harvill > (Harvel , Harvell, Harville). He end up in Cumberland County TN, but > never > knew where he came from. > > He was born in 1849 > > The 1850 census had him listed as Reems HARVELL > The 1860 Census had him listed as Alfred G Harvill > The 1870 Census listed him as Absalom Harvel > Absolom R. Harvel married Podemanda (Amanda) Smith Aug 10, 1871 in Smith > County. > > Most people have Alfred as being dead before 1860. > > BTW I have seen spellings for Harvill as HARVEL, HARVELL, HARVIL , > HARVILL, > HARVILLE and sometimes HARREL or HARWELL > > Thanks > > Jerry Harvill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Lewis [mailto:llewis001@centurytel.net] > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:06 PM > To: TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Harwell and messed up spellings > > I know that, I just haven't seen Lucinda before in my tree. Those names > can > > really get messed up. > I located my grandfather Ernest Carlisle only by accident in Smith county > 1930 census. His last name was garbled beyond recognition, but he was > living with his in laws. James Turner Harville and Fannie. > Linda > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peggy Coleman" <graciepmarvel@bellsouth.net> > To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 10:49 AM > Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Harwell > > >> Linda, Harville, Harvel, Harvil, was sometimes written as Harwell in >> some > >> of the census records. Not sure which census record or which individual. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Linda Lewis" <llewis001@centurytel.net> >> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 10:36 AM >> Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Harwell >> >> >>> Pat were you asking me? Because of my Harville line? I'm aware that a >>> Harwell family shows up in Smith county. I don't know if she could be >>> one of mine or not. I haven't seen her name before. >>> Linda Carlisle Lewis >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <GREENWPAT@aol.com> >>> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 2:19 PM >>> Subject: [TNSMITH] Harwell >>> >>> >>>>I have a direct ancestor named Lucinda Harwell born 1814 in Smith >>>>County, >>>> Tennessee. Could she be one of yours? >>>> >>>> Pat Greenwood >>>> I hear ethereal voices, persuasive soft and still, >>>> Daughter, if you don't remember us, who will? >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >>>> Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project... >>>> Already in Progress! >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >>> Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories >>> Wills, Fokelore,Links To The Smith Co Web Project >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >> Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project. >> Already In Progress! >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm >> >> >> > > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories > Wills, Fokelore,Links To The Smith Co Web Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ > > > > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Smith County Cemeteries North and South Of The Cumberland River > at The Smith County Historical and Genealogical Society website: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/hg/cems_north/ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/hg/cems_south/ > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project. Already In Progress! http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm

Jenny, I agree with you on doing both, it just seems I put more in pc first, but at least I have it. I buy the big notebooks from Sam's and then put the numbered tabs (Office Depot) and then 3 hole punch my family sheets, etc and put them in generations. I start with my childrenas 1, me 2 and come down with my family sheets and info. Then I don't have to pull it out of a sleeve everytime I want to check something. Hope you can make heads or tails of this. I am a show me and I understand better person. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny M. Calvin" <jcalvin5@cafes.net> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Harwell and messed up spellings / paper organization > > I am going to have to forget >>> everything else and find a way to put all of my genealogy sheets in some >>> kind of order so I can find them. Any suggestions as to how to do this? > > I don't know if my method would work for everyone, but it works well for > me. I keep everything in Family Tree Maker as well as in notebooks. > Here's how I have my notebooks organized: > > I use photo albums from Century Plastics because they are wider than > regular notebooks (I order the albums without any photo pages). I get > straight-cut manilla file folders, cut them in half and discard the > "front" half so that I have only what is the back of a file folder, and > then three-hole punch it. Then, using 1/5 cut alphabet tabs as a guide, I > cut them at either A, B, C, D, or E level. The A level is for the oldest > known ancestor of a particular surname, B level for his children, C level > for his grandchildren, etc. Then I file the paperwork (family group > sheet, census records, marriage records, photos, etc.) in sheet protectors > behind the proper divider. I buy sheet protectors at Sam's in massive > quantities. > > Of course, families that I have spent more time on end up being divided > into several notebooks, often requiring a new notebook for each direct > ancestor -- so he would have essentially an empty "B" tab in his father's > notebook to hold his place among his siblings, and then he becomes an "A" > tab in his own notebook with all his children, grandchildren, etc. > > It took me a while to come up with this system, but it was the only way I > could get the dividers to stick out beyond the sheet protectors so I could > see them. My original method of just having a file folder for each > surname quickly became incomprehensible, especially since I am trying to > trace each ancestor's descendants down for at least 2 or 3 generations. > You get one patriarch with 11 children who each have several children and > grandchildren, and they all begin to run together! > > I hope this explanation makes sense -- I wish I could just show you! > > Jenny Calvin > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Have you updated your Smith County Query lately? > http://www.tngennet.org/queries/qpost.htm > >

I am going to have to forget >> everything else and find a way to put all of my genealogy sheets in some >> kind of order so I can find them. Any suggestions as to how to do this? I don't know if my method would work for everyone, but it works well for me. I keep everything in Family Tree Maker as well as in notebooks. Here's how I have my notebooks organized: I use photo albums from Century Plastics because they are wider than regular notebooks (I order the albums without any photo pages). I get straight-cut manilla file folders, cut them in half and discard the "front" half so that I have only what is the back of a file folder, and then three-hole punch it. Then, using 1/5 cut alphabet tabs as a guide, I cut them at either A, B, C, D, or E level. The A level is for the oldest known ancestor of a particular surname, B level for his children, C level for his grandchildren, etc. Then I file the paperwork (family group sheet, census records, marriage records, photos, etc.) in sheet protectors behind the proper divider. I buy sheet protectors at Sam's in massive quantities. Of course, families that I have spent more time on end up being divided into several notebooks, often requiring a new notebook for each direct ancestor -- so he would have essentially an empty "B" tab in his father's notebook to hold his place among his siblings, and then he becomes an "A" tab in his own notebook with all his children, grandchildren, etc. It took me a while to come up with this system, but it was the only way I could get the dividers to stick out beyond the sheet protectors so I could see them. My original method of just having a file folder for each surname quickly became incomprehensible, especially since I am trying to trace each ancestor's descendants down for at least 2 or 3 generations. You get one patriarch with 11 children who each have several children and grandchildren, and they all begin to run together! I hope this explanation makes sense -- I wish I could just show you! Jenny Calvin

Patti, Again...just trying to be helpful...not nitpicky...For those who have not gone to your website they are missing something. I noted re family of Henry Dickerson/Bessie Lena Hackett that you are missing one of their sons. William Harlen was born after Lillie Mai, being born Aug 1909 and he died on 12 March 1910. Many times in information given to me they forget the deceased children, sometimes because they never knew them, and sometimes because no one talked about the deceased children. If anyone finds an error with this please let me know. Melba

Hi: Yess, I think this is my family. Harriette was my father's mother;my grandmother and I have a picture of her. I would appreciate anything that you send about my fathers family. Thanks and God Bless, Carol

Re organization: My computer program allows me to put in a family (hanging and not connected)...I can go to the index looking for an individual through a search mode and as I find who they "belong" to I can merge that individual to either parents or siblings to parents. I used to do it the notebook way...but it drove me crazy...now all I do is add the individual (say from a census with his family) with all I find and go to his/her notes and add the source of what I found. Sometimes it is years later before I can connect the individual but there it is when I need it. Sometimes I have several with similar names in the index, some off census, and some with marriage record and not sure it is same individual....later on I find they are the same and I merge them to one individual or family. Most important for all - make a backup of information each time you finish in that file for the day. Doesn't family tree maker have the same options? Melba -------Original Message------- From: Jenny M. Calvin Date: 10/27/05 19:37:13 To: TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Harwell and messed up spellings / paper organization I am going to have to forget >> everything else and find a way to put all of my genealogy sheets in some >> kind of order so I can find them. Any suggestions as to how to do this? I don't know if my method would work for everyone, but it works well for me. I keep everything in Family Tree Maker as well as in notebooks. Here's how I have my notebooks organized: I use photo albums from Century Plastics because they are wider than regular notebooks (I order the albums without any photo pages). I get straight-cut manilla file folders, cut them in half and discard the "front" half so that I have only what is the back of a file folder, and then three-hole punch it. Then, using 1/5 cut alphabet tabs as a guide, I cut them at either A, B, C, D, or E level. The A level is for the oldest known ancestor of a particular surname, B level for his children, C level for his grandchildren, etc. Then I file the paperwork (family group sheet, census records, marriage records, photos, etc.) in sheet protectors behind the proper divider. I buy sheet protectors at Sam's in massive quantities. Of course, families that I have spent more time on end up being divided into several notebooks, often requiring a new notebook for each direct ancestor -- so he would have essentially an empty "B" tab in his father's notebook to hold his place among his siblings, and then he becomes an "A" tab in his own notebook with all his children, grandchildren, etc. It took me a while to come up with this system, but it was the only way I could get the dividers to stick out beyond the sheet protectors so I could see them. My original method of just having a file folder for each surname quickly became incomprehensible, especially since I am trying to trace each ancestor's descendants down for at least 2 or 3 generations. You get one patriarch with 11 children who each have several children and grandchildren, and they all begin to run together! I hope this explanation makes sense -- I wish I could just show you! Jenny Calvin ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== Have you updated your Smith County Query lately? http://www.tngennet.org/queries/qpost.htm

They are in the Williams Cemetery in Difficult. Fay C. Leonard ----- Original Message ----- From: "teresa whittemore" <harper@nctc.com> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:19 PM Subject: [TNSMITH] sutton > List, > I have a Edgar H Sutton 07 Apr 1889 - 22 Jun 1970 marDana Copas 08 Dec 1890 - 23 Feb 1951 picture of tombstones, but can't remember the name of the cemetery they are in. Can anyone tell me? > Thanks, Teresa > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project. > Already In Progress! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm >

I have thought about having cross-references. I have never gotten my Family Tree Maker up to date. I got that when I was still working. I guess that is one project I need to get back to. Trouble is I have five families to work on. I trace my mother's side, my father's side, my step-daddy's side as well as both sides on my husband's tree. He pretends not to be interested but every once in a while something will stir him up. My problem I guess is that back in 1966 I started out with a steno pad and continued that way. I did have enough sense to start one separately for my husband's family. I got my first pc mainly for genealogy and have been printing off e-mails so I will have back up on what I do. Also on the off chance that I might be able to help someone else or that it will tie in later. After almost 40 years of this you accumulate a lot. Thanks for the tip. I have gotten binders and put my mother's family in one, my father's family in one, and my husband's in another. They are full. I have box after box full of printed literature along with my notes. I have thought about having my on web page but would have to be more organized than I am now. ----- Original Message ----- From: "teresa whittemore" <harper@nctc.com> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Harwell and messed up spellings > Peggy, > I also have Family Tree Maker, try to keep it and paperwork data > together. I use three ring binders and list each family in one (have up to > 3 on some families) for the paperwork. Once in awhile I try to check one > against the other. > Teresa > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peggy Coleman" <graciepmarvel@bellsouth.net> > To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:05 PM > Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Harwell and messed up spellings > > >> BTW I did write down his wife's name and the place and date of marriage. >> Wonder where his name came from and what it means. Also his brother >> Burket or Berket. I wonder about these odd names. My grandfather was >> named Aldra. There was a man here in Nashville about 20 years ago who >> specialized in telling people who odd names meant. Aldra means first. >> Wish he was available to do that now. I am going to have to forget >> everything else and find a way to put all of my genealogy sheets in some >> kind of order so I can find them. Any suggestions as to how to do this? >> When you have so many last names to deal with. I have Family Tree Maker >> but have not worked with it for years. That helps locate people but does >> not help with all the paperwork you accumulate over time. I have been >> doing this since 1965 and have a lot of paper. Help. Anyone? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jerry Harvill" <gsharvil@bellsouth.net> >> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:21 PM >> Subject: RE: [TNSMITH] Harwell and messed up spellings >> >> >>> Peggy, >>> >>> I had the same problem with my Great grand Father Absalom Reems Harvill >>> (Harvel , Harvell, Harville). He end up in Cumberland County TN, but >>> never >>> knew where he came from. >>> >>> He was born in 1849 >>> >>> The 1850 census had him listed as Reems HARVELL >>> The 1860 Census had him listed as Alfred G Harvill >>> The 1870 Census listed him as Absalom Harvel >>> Absolom R. Harvel married Podemanda (Amanda) Smith Aug 10, 1871 in Smith >>> County. >>> >>> Most people have Alfred as being dead before 1860. >>> >>> BTW I have seen spellings for Harvill as HARVEL, HARVELL, HARVIL , >>> HARVILL, >>> HARVILLE and sometimes HARREL or HARWELL >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Jerry Harvill >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Linda Lewis [mailto:llewis001@centurytel.net] >>> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:06 PM >>> To: TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Harwell and messed up spellings >>> >>> I know that, I just haven't seen Lucinda before in my tree. Those names >>> can >>> >>> really get messed up. >>> I located my grandfather Ernest Carlisle only by accident in Smith >>> county >>> 1930 census. His last name was garbled beyond recognition, but he was >>> living with his in laws. James Turner Harville and Fannie. >>> Linda >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Peggy Coleman" <graciepmarvel@bellsouth.net> >>> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 10:49 AM >>> Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Harwell >>> >>> >>>> Linda, Harville, Harvel, Harvil, was sometimes written as Harwell in >>>> some >>> >>>> of the census records. Not sure which census record or which >>>> individual. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Linda Lewis" <llewis001@centurytel.net> >>>> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 10:36 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [TNSMITH] Harwell >>>> >>>> >>>>> Pat were you asking me? Because of my Harville line? I'm aware that a >>>>> Harwell family shows up in Smith county. I don't know if she could be >>>>> one of mine or not. I haven't seen her name before. >>>>> Linda Carlisle Lewis >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: <GREENWPAT@aol.com> >>>>> To: <TNSMITH-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 2:19 PM >>>>> Subject: [TNSMITH] Harwell >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I have a direct ancestor named Lucinda Harwell born 1814 in Smith >>>>>>County, >>>>>> Tennessee. Could she be one of yours? >>>>>> >>>>>> Pat Greenwood >>>>>> I hear ethereal voices, persuasive soft and still, >>>>>> Daughter, if you don't remember us, who will? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >>>>>> Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project... >>>>>> Already in Progress! >>>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >>>>> Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories >>>>> Wills, Fokelore,Links To The Smith Co Web Project >>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >>>> Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project. >>>> Already In Progress! >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >>> Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories >>> Wills, Fokelore,Links To The Smith Co Web Project >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >>> Smith County Cemeteries North and South Of The Cumberland River >>> at The Smith County Historical and Genealogical Society website: >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/hg/cems_north/ >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/hg/cems_south/ >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== >> Visit Photos Of Cemeteries Of Smith County Over 500 + Cemeteries online >> with pictures and Descriptions >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/cempics.htm >> >> > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Volunteer To Transcribe For The Smith Co Census Project... > Already in Progress! http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/tngen/census.htm > >