Hi, Wanted to know, if you have anything on my father Rev. Luther S. Crabtree. There should be some information on him in the Western Union Asso. He pastored churches in TN, and KY. Anything you could fine would be deeply appreciated. Best regards, DeVonda Crabtree Miller Knoxville, TN

From: Rosemary Green <r_b_green@msn.com> Bobbie and others: any chance you would cheek for the following? Rosey Duncan Trammell Sharp d Jan 21 1946 Isaac Martin Trammell d. April 29, 1929 Rosemary, the earliest book I have is 1938, so I can't help with Isaac. And the only 2 books I have out of the 40's is 1942 & 1949, so can't help with Rosey, either. Sorry about that. Bobbie

Carrie , Thanks! Betty was my grandmother and Lawerence step-grandfather. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carrie Posey" <csposey@yahoo.com> To: <TNSCOTT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [TNSCOTT] West Union Association of baptist Minutes > Walker, Betty-Age 83, of Winfield, passed away in the > Scott County Hospital Monday, December 13. She was > the daughter of the late Mart Trammell and the late > Rosa Trammell and was a member of the Pleasant Grove > Baptist Church. Survivors: husband, Lawrence Walker > of Winfield; two sons, Oscar Wilson of Tiffin, Ohio, > and Alfred Wilson of Winfield; four daughters, Rose W. > Hill of Norfolk, VA, Lora W. Kinch of Orlando, Fla., > Dorothy W. Hussar of Dayton, Ohio and Nola W. Bond of > Newport News, VA; one daughter, Mae Wilson Connley, > preceded her in death. Also surviving are a sister > Bertha Chitwood of Winfield, nineteen grandchildren > and 31 great-grandchildren. Funeral services were > conducted from the West Funeral Home Chapel at 2 p.m. > Thursday, December 16, with Rev. Albert Chitwood and > Rev. A.V. Stanley officiating. Burial was in the > Trammell Cemetery. (WUA, 1977, p17) > > Walker, Laurence L., of the Pleasant Grove Community > passed away March 21, 1992 at the Scott County > Hospital being 86 years old. Born July 20, 1905 in > Scott County Tennessee to the late Joseph and Bell > Woodrum Walker. He was a member of the Pleasant Grove > Baptist Church. Preceding him in death were his > parents, his wife Betty Trammel Walker; one step > daughter Lora Wilson, one step son Afford Wilson; 6 > sisters, Grace, Nora, Martha, Elsie, Ada, and Maxine; > three brothers Leonard, Elm on and Homer. Surviving is > one sister, Erna; four step daughters, Rose, Dorothy, > May and Nola; one step son Oscar. Funeral services > were March 25, 1992 at the Jones & Son Funeral Home > with the Rev. Delmon Stanley and Rev. Carmel Stanley > officiating. Interment followed in the Trammel > Cemetery. (WUA, 1992, p35-36) > > --- Rosemary Green <r_b_green@msn.com> wrote: > > Bobbie and others: any chance you would cheek for > > the following? > > Betty (Trammell Wilson ) Walker d. Dec 13, 1976 > > Lawrence Walker d. march 21, 1992 > > Rosey Duncan Trammell Sharp d Jan 21 1946 > > Isaac Martin Trammell d. April 29, 1929 > > Thanks Rosemary > > > > > > ==== TNSCOTT Mailing List ==== > > Rae Davis-Smith > > List Administrator > > raedavissm@mindspring.com > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > > online genealogy records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > ==== TNSCOTT Mailing List ==== > Rae Davis-Smith > List Administrator > raedavissm@mindspring.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

DeVonda, do you mean the Western Division Southern Baptist Association in Tennessee? If so, you might be able to e-mail James Twilbeck who is their Director of Missions and ask if they have anything on him in their archives. You can go to the Tennessee Baptist Convention web site and e-mail Rev. Twilbeck. Go to http://www.tnbaptist.org/whoweare/associations.htm#W and you should find his name there. His office is located in Paris, Tennessee if that helps. Don Sierra Vista, AZ

Rosemary: The other 2 are not listed in WUA and I have copies of all of them, I checked the 1929 Newspaper also, and there is not one listed for Isaac Trammell, but I did find this one in the Scott County News: Sharp, Rosa, wife of Calvin Sharp, died at the home of her son-in-law, Edd Chitwood near Winfield on January 21 at the age of 76. She was the daughter of Dock Duncan and Sallie Chitwood Duncan. She was one of a family of six, three sons and three daughters. In her youth she was married to the late J. M. Tramell, to which union were born eight children, three sons and five daughters: Rebecca Smith, Dock Tramell, Marion Tramell, Henry Trammell, Bettie Walker, Bertha Chitwood, all of Winfield and Sallie Duncan of Wonder, Ky. She was a splendid woman, having become a Christian in early life and had a large number of friends. She is survived by her husband, eight children, one sister, 82 grandchildren, 42 great grandchildren, and 1 great great grandchild. Funeral services were conducted by Revs. B. D. Chitwood and George King. Interment was in the Chitwood cemetery near Winfield with Coopers in charge. (Scott County News, Oneida, Scott Co., TN, Fri., 8 Feb 1946, p1) Sue --- Rosemary Green <r_b_green@msn.com> wrote: > Carrie , Thanks! Betty was my grandmother and > Lawerence step-grandfather. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carrie Posey" <csposey@yahoo.com> > To: <TNSCOTT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 7:39 PM > Subject: Re: [TNSCOTT] West Union Association of > baptist Minutes > > > > Walker, Betty-Age 83, of Winfield, passed away in > the > > Scott County Hospital Monday, December 13. She > was > > the daughter of the late Mart Trammell and the > late > > Rosa Trammell and was a member of the Pleasant > Grove > > Baptist Church. Survivors: husband, Lawrence > Walker > > of Winfield; two sons, Oscar Wilson of Tiffin, > Ohio, > > and Alfred Wilson of Winfield; four daughters, > Rose W. > > Hill of Norfolk, VA, Lora W. Kinch of Orlando, > Fla., > > Dorothy W. Hussar of Dayton, Ohio and Nola W. Bond > of > > Newport News, VA; one daughter, Mae Wilson > Connley, > > preceded her in death. Also surviving are a > sister > > Bertha Chitwood of Winfield, nineteen > grandchildren > > and 31 great-grandchildren. Funeral services were > > conducted from the West Funeral Home Chapel at 2 > p.m. > > Thursday, December 16, with Rev. Albert Chitwood > and > > Rev. A.V. Stanley officiating. Burial was in the > > Trammell Cemetery. (WUA, 1977, p17) > > > > Walker, Laurence L., of the Pleasant Grove > Community > > passed away March 21, 1992 at the Scott County > > Hospital being 86 years old. Born July 20, 1905 in > > Scott County Tennessee to the late Joseph and Bell > > Woodrum Walker. He was a member of the Pleasant > Grove > > Baptist Church. Preceding him in death were his > > parents, his wife Betty Trammel Walker; one step > > daughter Lora Wilson, one step son Afford Wilson; > 6 > > sisters, Grace, Nora, Martha, Elsie, Ada, and > Maxine; > > three brothers Leonard, Elm on and Homer. > Surviving is > > one sister, Erna; four step daughters, Rose, > Dorothy, > > May and Nola; one step son Oscar. Funeral services > > were March 25, 1992 at the Jones & Son Funeral > Home > > with the Rev. Delmon Stanley and Rev. Carmel > Stanley > > officiating. Interment followed in the Trammel > > Cemetery. (WUA, 1992, p35-36) > > > > --- Rosemary Green <r_b_green@msn.com> wrote: > > > Bobbie and others: any chance you would cheek > for > > > the following? > > > Betty (Trammell Wilson ) Walker d. Dec 13, 1976 > > > Lawrence Walker d. march 21, 1992 > > > Rosey Duncan Trammell Sharp d Jan 21 1946 > > > Isaac Martin Trammell d. April 29, 1929 > > > Thanks Rosemary > > > > > > > > > ==== TNSCOTT Mailing List ==== > > > Rae Davis-Smith > > > List Administrator > > > raedavissm@mindspring.com > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > > > online genealogy records, go to: > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > > > ==== TNSCOTT Mailing List ==== > > Rae Davis-Smith > > List Administrator > > raedavissm@mindspring.com > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== TNSCOTT Mailing List ==== > Rae Davis-Smith > List Administrator > raedavissm@mindspring.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

Bobbie and others: any chance you would cheek for the following? Betty (Trammell Wilson ) Walker d. Dec 13, 1976 Lawrence Walker d. march 21, 1992 Rosey Duncan Trammell Sharp d Jan 21 1946 Isaac Martin Trammell d. April 29, 1929 Thanks Rosemary

Walker, Betty�Age 83, of Winfield, passed away in the Scott County Hospital Monday, December 13. She was the daughter of the late Mart Trammell and the late Rosa Trammell and was a member of the Pleasant Grove Baptist Church. Survivors: husband, Lawrence Walker of Winfield; two sons, Oscar Wilson of Tiffin, Ohio, and Alfred Wilson of Winfield; four daughters, Rose W. Hill of Norfolk, VA, Lora W. Kinch of Orlando, Fla., Dorothy W. Hussar of Dayton, Ohio and Nola W. Bond of Newport News, VA; one daughter, Mae Wilson Connley, preceded her in death. Also surviving are a sister Bertha Chitwood of Winfield, nineteen grandchildren and 31 great-grandchildren. Funeral services were conducted from the West Funeral Home Chapel at 2 p.m. Thursday, December 16, with Rev. Albert Chitwood and Rev. A.V. Stanley officiating. Burial was in the Trammell Cemetery. (WUA, 1977, p17) Walker, Laurence L., of the Pleasant Grove Community passed away March 21, 1992 at the Scott County Hospital being 86 years old. Born July 20, 1905 in Scott County Tennessee to the late Joseph and Bell Woodrum Walker. He was a member of the Pleasant Grove Baptist Church. Preceding him in death were his parents, his wife Betty Trammel Walker; one step daughter Lora Wilson, one step son Afford Wilson; 6 sisters, Grace, Nora, Martha, Elsie, Ada, and Maxine; three brothers Leonard, Elm on and Homer. Surviving is one sister, Erna; four step daughters, Rose, Dorothy, May and Nola; one step son Oscar. Funeral services were March 25, 1992 at the Jones & Son Funeral Home with the Rev. Delmon Stanley and Rev. Carmel Stanley officiating. Interment followed in the Trammel Cemetery. (WUA, 1992, p35-36) --- Rosemary Green <r_b_green@msn.com> wrote: > Bobbie and others: any chance you would cheek for > the following? > Betty (Trammell Wilson ) Walker d. Dec 13, 1976 > Lawrence Walker d. march 21, 1992 > Rosey Duncan Trammell Sharp d Jan 21 1946 > Isaac Martin Trammell d. April 29, 1929 > Thanks Rosemary > > > ==== TNSCOTT Mailing List ==== > Rae Davis-Smith > List Administrator > raedavissm@mindspring.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

Hi! Sheila, Thank you very much. There is a lot of Owens in my family. --- Sheila Hamlin Owens <sheilao1@prodigy.net> wrote: > I found this on the California Death Records at > Rootsweb > http://userdb.rootsweb.com/ca/death/search.cgi > > Barnett, Hoyt, born 7/2/1918, Mother's maiden name > Owens. Born TN, died Sacramento 5/13/1955. > > I'm sure you can order a death certificate from > California. > > I'm not related as far as I know. > > > > ==== TNSCOTT Mailing List ==== > Rae Davis-Smith > List Administrator > raedavissm@mindspring.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

I found this on the California Death Records at Rootsweb http://userdb.rootsweb.com/ca/death/search.cgi Barnett, Hoyt, born 7/2/1918, Mother's maiden name Owens. Born TN, died Sacramento 5/13/1955. I'm sure you can order a death certificate from California. I'm not related as far as I know.

Anna, Yes, I have heard that if no application by a widow or widower is made to collect the measly $255. There will be no record. $255 don't even buy the flowers..Oh well..Anyone can order a Social Security Orginal Application(copy of) It used to be $7 if you knew the # and $14 if you didn't. They raised the price I do believe to $27..Since they did that I haven't ordered any... Milly WARD Piros List Rootsweb Administrator for Anderson Co Tn~Campbell Co Tn and Fentress Co Tn <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/millyella/listofpages.html">A List of All My Pages</A> http://www.geocities.com/millyella/listofpages.html Genealogists live in the PAST Lane

Anna, I had an uncle that never married or had any children and died around the age of 75. His name is in the index, when nobody besides himself received benefits. But, it only shows up if I don't put his MIDDLE initial. And even stranger than that, my dad's only shows up if I just use his initial for his FIRST name instead of his name. Of course I have to put the state, or it would search forever. I had forgotten that until I just tried it on Ancestry. I can't figure out why some show up and some don't. Mary

>From The Knoxville News Sentinel 18 Jul 2003 MENGRONE, MARGIE McKINNEY - age 60, of Lexington, Kentucky, formerly of Caryville, REED, LEONA HATMAKER - age 86, of Clinton, ============================================ MENGRONE, MARGIE McKINNEY - age 60, of Lexington, Kentucky, formerly of Caryville, passed away Tuesday, July 15, 2003, in Lexington. She was preceded in death by father, Eugene McKinney. An employee of Scott Gross Co. in Lexington. Survivors: son, Gary Hart; grandson, Daniel Hart, both of Lexington, Ky.; mother, Glenna Walls McKinney of Caryvlle; brother, Shirley McKinney of Dayton, Ohio. Funeral service 2:00 p.m. Sunday, Caryville First Baptist Church, Dr. T. D. Hooker officiating. Interment in Campbell Memorial Gardens. Memorials may be made to Hospice of the Bluegrass or Lucille Markey Cancer Center, both in Lexington, Ky. The family will receive friends 6 to 8 p.m. Saturday at Cross Funeral Home. Arrangements by Cross Funeral Home. REED, LEONA HATMAKER - age 86, of Clinton, passed away Thursday, July 17, 2003, at the Methodist Medical Center in Oak Ridge. She was a faithful member of Longfield Baptist Church in Lake City. She was also a member of the Keen Club & the AARP. She retired from the restaurant business. Preceded in death by first husband, Clayton P. Hatmaker; second husband, Virgil Lee Reed; parents, Lavader and Katherine Hatmaker Loving; brothers, Ivan Xin Loving and John Loving; sister, Beatrice Hill; step-daughter, Lola Faye Huggins. Mrs. Reed was born October 8, 1916, in Anderson County. Survivors: daughters, Katherine Miller & husband, Chuck of Clinton, Patsy Daugherty & husband, Jimmy of Georgia; sons, Gary Hatmaker & wife, Faye of Lake City, Gene Hatmaker & wife, Kathy of Clinton; step-daughter, Mildred Silcox & husband, Charles of Maryville; sisters, Mable Vinsant of Lake City, Christine Symth of Oliver Springs; grandchildren, Randy Miller & wife, Tracie, Roger Miller, Ricky Miller & wife, Darlene, Ronnie Miller & wife, Wendy, Tommy Daugherty & wife, Kinda, Timmy Daugherty & wife, Stacey, Eddie Daugherty, Kim Leach & husband, Robby, Kerry Hatmaker & wife, Candi, Melanie Bumgardner & husband, Tony; 19 great grandchildren; 6 step-grandchildren; 9 step-great-grandchildren and 2 step-great-great- grandchildren; a host of extended family and friends. The family will receive friends 6:30 - 8:30 p.m., Friday, July 18, 2003 at Longfield Baptist Church in Lake City with funeral service following the visitation at the church with Rev. Mack Smith, Rev. Robbie Leach & Rev. Ricky Miller officiating. Interment will be held 11:00 am, Saturday, at Oak Ridge Memorial Park. Grandsons will be serving as pallbearers. In lieu of flowers, memorials may be made to Longfield Baptist Church, C/O Janice Cox, 213 Marcia Drive, Clinton, TN, 37716. Holley-Gamble Funeral Home of Clinton in charge of all arrangements. =========================================== SUPPORT OUR TROOPS---FLY THE FLAG "Genealogy is like playing hide and seek. They hide I seek!!! <A HREF="www.byrge.com/genealogy/">www.byrge.com/genealogy/</A> Searching: BYRGE/BUNCH/DAUGHERTY/DUNCAN/KENNEDY/ PATTERSON/PHILLIPS/SEIBER/TACKETT/WARD

That may be true because my Mother's is not in there but my Father's is... There was no one to draw off my Mother's.... Rae Davis-Smith -------Original Message------- From: TNSCOTT-L@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, July 18, 2003 8:30:37 AM To: TNSCOTT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TNSCOTT] HOYT BARNETT Mary and All: It is my understanding it only is in there if a Death Benefit was drawn. Has anyone else heard this? However, the L.D.S. church research services can send off for the original S.S. application I believe. Anna B. abertram@heartoftn.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Amarand@aol.com Some names don't always come up in the Social Security Index. I have to put the whole number in myself to get my dad's to come up. And a friend of mine has his grandfather's (been deceased for years) card. We put the number in and it still won't come up. So, I figure that doesn't necessarily mean someone didn't have one. ==== TNSCOTT Mailing List ==== Rae Davis-Smith List Administrator raedavissm@mindspring.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 .

Mary and All: It is my understanding it only is in there if a Death Benefit was drawn. Has anyone else heard this? However, the L.D.S. church research services can send off for the original S.S. application I believe. Anna B. abertram@heartoftn.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Amarand@aol.com Some names don't always come up in the Social Security Index. I have to put the whole number in myself to get my dad's to come up. And a friend of mine has his grandfather's (been deceased for years) card. We put the number in and it still won't come up. So, I figure that doesn't necessarily mean someone didn't have one.

Beverly: I live in the Sacramento area and I followed your post from start to finish. You had some wonderful leads coming from all parts of the US. Your Father may have had an SS #, but if there were no benefits paid to a survivor, there is no 'public' record listed. If you know his employer, I will call to see if there is any information they will give. Also: here is the address for... Sacramento County Recorders Office: 600 - 8th Street Sacramento CA 95814 916-874-6334 California has just changed their 'rules' again, so if you do not want to call, let me know and I will get the details for you as to fees, etc. I have just sent for and received about two dozen death certificates from different CA counties and they are all different. If the person listed as the informant knew your Father and details of his life, there may be other info listed there and where the burial took place. I see that the parents and place of birth are listed, so I think the informant was a relative or close friend to have such knowledge. Also: if there was a Coroners Inquest, you will be able to get that information from the Coroners Office. There were two newspapers in Sacramento at that time: The Sacramento Union and Sacramento Bee. The Bee is still a daily newspaper and the Union information has been stored at the California State Archives. There may have been an obit. Good Luck: Dixie (SCOTT)

Linda, Thank you so much. Will check this out. Sandra

WMYSWAN@aol.com wrote: "... My dad was supposedly born in Robbins, TN. in 1905. His name was Harry Lee Phillips. His mother was Estelle/Estella/Stella Chastain (my grandmother) His father was Tom/Thomas Phillips and she said was a going to medical school shortly after my dad's birth and they were divorced..." _______________________ Sandra, Not sure this is your Dr. Tom Phullips but I have: Thomas L. "Dr. Tom" Phillips b. June 6, 1879 d. February 11, 1941. He married Fay Buttram b. November 16, 1863 d. June 13, 1967. Married October 8,1913 in Scott Co. TN. He was the son of William J. "Bill" Phillips (1848-1915) and Sarah McDonald (1852-1935). Another son was Dr. Pickney Phillips b. 1876 married Opal Strunk. They (parents) are buried in Robbins Cemetery in Scott Co. TN. Will Book Scott Co. TN. Page 81 dated 9/29/1928 lists children: Wilma Ruth, William Thomas, Anna. Wilma Ruth married a Coffey: William Thomas married Eileen Floyd, Anna married McLeod and Longworthy. Let me know if this is the one you are looking for. I do have more on parents of William J. "Bill" Phillips (1848-1915) and Sarah McDonald (1852-1935). Linda

Debbie, My grandmother Estella May Chastain (which has also been used as Estelle,Stella) was born in 1988 in Atalla, AL. This is what she told us in an oral history. Do not know anything about Thomas/Tom Phillips except that he was from TN. My dad never knew him. Sandra

Debbie, Thank you so much. The date is wrong for the birth of this Harry Lee Phillips, but I am sure there is some connection. My dad was born 1905. Will e-mail the person on this site and try to find out more. This is the closest I've gotten. Sandra

Sandra, Do you have dates on your grandparents? Debbie ----- Original Message ----- From: <WMYSWAN@aol.com> To: <TNSCOTT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [TNSCOTT] Fw: Roll Call > Have never done this before so don't know if I'm doing it right. Have asked a > few people for help. > > Brick wall > My dad was supposedly born in Robbins, TN. in 1905. His name was Harry Lee > Phillips. His mother was Estelle/Estella/Stella Chastain (my grandmother) > His father was Tom/Thomas Phillips and she said was a going to medical school > shortly after my dad's birth and they were divorced. My grandmother was > illiterate, pt. Cherokee Indian and all this was oral history. We have never been > able to get a birth certificate for my dad. > > Know this is not laid out right. I am new at this. > If this looks familiar to anyone would appreciate any help. > Sandra > > > ==== TNSCOTT Mailing List ==== > Rae Davis-Smith > List Administrator > raedavissm@mindspring.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >