The only two spellings I have seen are Toliver or T Oliver (1823 Rutherford Co petition). I have often thought this name must be a variation of the surname Talliferro (sp) but have not come across any definite proof. Sherri <html><div><FONT color=#0000cc><STRONG>Genealogists never die, they just lose their census! <IMG height=19 src="http://graphics.hotmail.com/i.p.emsmilep.gif" width=19></STRONG></FONT></div></html> ----Original Message Follows---- From: tnruther-request@rootsweb.com Reply-To: tnruther@rootsweb.com To: tnruther@rootsweb.com Subject: TNRUTHER Digest, Vol 1, Issue 6 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 01:01:15 -0400 Today's Topics: 1. Toliver Ferguson of Rutherford Co, TN--theories about father (my tngenes) 2. Re: Toliver Ferguson of Rutherford Co, TN--theories about father (Mari Byers) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:55:54 -0500 From: "my tngenes" <mytngenes@hotmail.com> Subject: [TNRUTHER] Toliver Ferguson of Rutherford Co, TN--theories about father To: FERGUSON-L@rootsweb.com, lynnferguson@cox.net, J2Ferguson@aol.com, runner@wtez.net, ssellers@texas.net, TNRUTHER-L@rootsweb.com, annlin@ev1.net Message-ID: <BAY103-F15730783E4D2874FCC8F3BB1A0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Using the 1820 and 1830 census for Rutherford Co, TN, I have formed the following theories concerning the possibilities for the father of my earliest known ancestor, Toliver Ferguson-b abt 1800 TN. Beginning with the facts known about Toliver-he was born abt 1800 in TN and married Catherine Winters in Rutherford Co, TN in 1821, and he is found on the 1823 petition of moving the Rutherford/Bedford county line. Toliver has a son and grandson named Anderson. Ferguson families found on the 1820 Rutherford Co, TN having male numerations in their h/h whose ages would "match" Toliver are Joel and Shadrack. Both also have a male listed in the category consistant with the possibility of Anderson Ferguson, b 1805 TN being the younger brother of Toliver. The h/h of Joel--two males b 1810-1820, one male b 1804-1810, (Anderson?) one male b 1802-1804, one male b 1794-1802, (Toliver?) one male born 1785-1794, one male born before 1785 (Joel) These older males could be father and grandfather of the younger males, or brother and father of the younger males. The h/h of Shadrack--one male b 1810-1820 one male b 1804-1810 (Anderson?) one male b 1802-1804 two males b 1794-1802 (Toliver?) one male b 1785-1794 (Shadrack) Looking at the 1830 census for Anderson Ferguson of Rutherford Co, TN listed are males consistant with Anderson b 1805, Toliver b 1800, and Toliver's son Mansfield b 1823 (and a female consistent with Catherine, Toliver's wife). Also is a male b 1780-1790 (their father?). Therefore, my first senario is that Joel Ferguson's h/h of 1820 could numerate a grandfather (Joel), father (?), son Toliver and son Anderson (as well as 3 other males). This same h/h listed in 1830 with Anderson Ferguson as the head of household with older brother Toliver and father (?) from the 1820 numeration--grandfather Joel having died. Second senario is that Shadrack Ferguson's h/h of 1820 would include son Toliver, son Anderson, 3 other males and father Shadrack and this same h/h listed in 1830 would include Anderson as the head of household with Toliver, son Mansfield and father Shadrack. The conclusions being that Joel Ferguson could be the father/grandfather of Toliver and Anderson or Shadrack could be their father. As for the relationship of Joel an Shadrack--are they brothers or father and son? I am interested in your comments.......... Sherri <html><div><FONT color=#0000cc><STRONG>Genealogists never die, they just lose their census! <IMG height=19 src="http://graphics.hotmail.com/i.p.emsmilep.gif" width=19></STRONG></FONT></div></html> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:33:06 -0500 From: Mari Byers <keyofbflat@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [TNRUTHER] Toliver Ferguson of Rutherford Co, TN--theories about father To: tnruther@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20060927113138.025965b8@mail.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Question. Is Tolliver pronounced Toll- a ver- or Talliferro? I have a line from Ky but we call it Tolliver and it's spelled Tolliferro. Mari At 09:55 PM 9/26/2006, you wrote: >Using the 1820 and 1830 census for Rutherford Co, TN, I have formed the >following theories concerning the possibilities for the father of my >earliest known ancestor, Toliver Ferguson-b abt 1800 TN. > >Beginning with the facts known about Toliver-he was born abt 1800 in TN and >married Catherine Winters in Rutherford Co, TN in 1821, and he is found on >the 1823 petition of moving the Rutherford/Bedford county line. Toliver has >a son and grandson named Anderson. > >Ferguson families found on the 1820 Rutherford Co, TN having male >numerations in their h/h whose ages would "match" Toliver are Joel and >Shadrack. Both also have a male listed in the category consistant with the >possibility of Anderson Ferguson, b 1805 TN being the younger brother of >Toliver. > >The h/h of Joel--two males b 1810-1820, > one male b 1804-1810, (Anderson?) > one male b 1802-1804, > one male b 1794-1802, (Toliver?) > one male born 1785-1794, > one male born before 1785 (Joel) >These older males could be father and grandfather of the younger males, or >brother and father of the younger males. > >The h/h of Shadrack--one male b 1810-1820 > one male b 1804-1810 (Anderson?) > one male b 1802-1804 > two males b 1794-1802 (Toliver?) > one male b 1785-1794 (Shadrack) > >Looking at the 1830 census for Anderson Ferguson of Rutherford Co, TN listed >are males consistant with Anderson b 1805, Toliver b 1800, and Toliver's son >Mansfield b 1823 (and a female consistent with Catherine, Toliver's wife). >Also is a male b 1780-1790 (their father?). > >Therefore, my first senario is that Joel Ferguson's h/h of 1820 could >numerate a grandfather (Joel), father (?), son Toliver and son Anderson (as >well as 3 other males). This same h/h listed in 1830 with Anderson Ferguson >as the head of household with older brother Toliver and father (?) from the >1820 numeration--grandfather Joel having died. > >Second senario is that Shadrack Ferguson's h/h of 1820 would include son >Toliver, son Anderson, 3 other males and father Shadrack and this same h/h >listed in 1830 would include Anderson as the head of household with Toliver, >son Mansfield and father Shadrack. > >The conclusions being that Joel Ferguson could be the father/grandfather of >Toliver and Anderson or Shadrack could be their father. As for the >relationship of Joel an Shadrack--are they brothers or father and son? > >I am interested in your comments.......... > >Sherri > >Genealogists never die, they just lose their census! >[] > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >TNRUTHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 ------------------------------ To contact the TNRUTHER list administrator, send an email to TNRUTHER-admin@rootsweb.com. 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