If you find proof, please let me know. I am researching the Toliver/Tolliver name also and I agree with you about the Talliferro. I haven't been really active in genealogy lately but I never give up. ----- Original Message ----- From: "my tngenes" <mytngenes@hotmail.com> To: <tnruther@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [TNRUTHER] TNRUTHER Digest, Vol 1, Issue 6 > The only two spellings I have seen are Toliver or T Oliver (1823 > Rutherford > Co petition). I have often thought this name must be a variation of the > surname Talliferro (sp) but have not come across any definite proof. > > Sherri > > <html><div><FONT color=#0000cc><STRONG>Genealogists never die, they just > lose their census! <IMG height=19 > src="http://graphics.hotmail.com/i.p.emsmilep.gif" > width=19></STRONG></FONT></div></html> > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: tnruther-request@rootsweb.com > Reply-To: tnruther@rootsweb.com > To: tnruther@rootsweb.com > Subject: TNRUTHER Digest, Vol 1, Issue 6 > Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 01:01:15 -0400 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Toliver Ferguson of Rutherford Co, TN--theories about father > (my tngenes) > 2. Re: Toliver Ferguson of Rutherford Co, TN--theories about > father (Mari Byers) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:55:54 -0500 > From: "my tngenes" <mytngenes@hotmail.com> > Subject: [TNRUTHER] Toliver Ferguson of Rutherford Co, TN--theories > about father > To: FERGUSON-L@rootsweb.com, lynnferguson@cox.net, J2Ferguson@aol.com, > runner@wtez.net, ssellers@texas.net, TNRUTHER-L@rootsweb.com, > annlin@ev1.net > Message-ID: <BAY103-F15730783E4D2874FCC8F3BB1A0@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > Using the 1820 and 1830 census for Rutherford Co, TN, I have formed the > following theories concerning the possibilities for the father of my > earliest known ancestor, Toliver Ferguson-b abt 1800 TN. > > Beginning with the facts known about Toliver-he was born abt 1800 in TN > and > married Catherine Winters in Rutherford Co, TN in 1821, and he is found on > the 1823 petition of moving the Rutherford/Bedford county line. Toliver > has > a son and grandson named Anderson. > > Ferguson families found on the 1820 Rutherford Co, TN having male > numerations in their h/h whose ages would "match" Toliver are Joel and > Shadrack. Both also have a male listed in the category consistant with the > possibility of Anderson Ferguson, b 1805 TN being the younger brother of > Toliver. > > The h/h of Joel--two males b 1810-1820, > one male b 1804-1810, (Anderson?) > one male b 1802-1804, > one male b 1794-1802, (Toliver?) > one male born 1785-1794, > one male born before 1785 (Joel) > These older males could be father and grandfather of the younger males, or > brother and father of the younger males. > > The h/h of Shadrack--one male b 1810-1820 > one male b 1804-1810 (Anderson?) > one male b 1802-1804 > two males b 1794-1802 (Toliver?) > one male b 1785-1794 (Shadrack) > > Looking at the 1830 census for Anderson Ferguson of Rutherford Co, TN > listed > are males consistant with Anderson b 1805, Toliver b 1800, and Toliver's > son > Mansfield b 1823 (and a female consistent with Catherine, Toliver's wife). > Also is a male b 1780-1790 (their father?). > > Therefore, my first senario is that Joel Ferguson's h/h of 1820 could > numerate a grandfather (Joel), father (?), son Toliver and son Anderson > (as > well as 3 other males). This same h/h listed in 1830 with Anderson > Ferguson > as the head of household with older brother Toliver and father (?) from > the > 1820 numeration--grandfather Joel having died. > > Second senario is that Shadrack Ferguson's h/h of 1820 would include son > Toliver, son Anderson, 3 other males and father Shadrack and this same h/h > listed in 1830 would include Anderson as the head of household with > Toliver, > son Mansfield and father Shadrack. > > The conclusions being that Joel Ferguson could be the father/grandfather > of > Toliver and Anderson or Shadrack could be their father. As for the > relationship of Joel an Shadrack--are they brothers or father and son? > > I am interested in your comments.......... > > Sherri > > <html><div><FONT color=#0000cc><STRONG>Genealogists never die, they just > lose their census! <IMG height=19 > src="http://graphics.hotmail.com/i.p.emsmilep.gif" > width=19></STRONG></FONT></div></html> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:33:06 -0500 > From: Mari Byers <keyofbflat@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [TNRUTHER] Toliver Ferguson of Rutherford Co, > TN--theories about father > To: tnruther@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20060927113138.025965b8@mail.comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Question. Is Tolliver pronounced Toll- a ver- or Talliferro? I have a > line from Ky but we call it Tolliver and it's spelled Tolliferro. > Mari > > > > At 09:55 PM 9/26/2006, you wrote: > > >Using the 1820 and 1830 census for Rutherford Co, TN, I have formed the > >following theories concerning the possibilities for the father of my > >earliest known ancestor, Toliver Ferguson-b abt 1800 TN. > > > >Beginning with the facts known about Toliver-he was born abt 1800 in TN > and > >married Catherine Winters in Rutherford Co, TN in 1821, and he is found > >on > >the 1823 petition of moving the Rutherford/Bedford county line. Toliver > has > >a son and grandson named Anderson. > > > >Ferguson families found on the 1820 Rutherford Co, TN having male > >numerations in their h/h whose ages would "match" Toliver are Joel and > >Shadrack. Both also have a male listed in the category consistant with > >the > >possibility of Anderson Ferguson, b 1805 TN being the younger brother of > >Toliver. > > > >The h/h of Joel--two males b 1810-1820, > > one male b 1804-1810, (Anderson?) > > one male b 1802-1804, > > one male b 1794-1802, (Toliver?) > > one male born 1785-1794, > > one male born before 1785 (Joel) > >These older males could be father and grandfather of the younger males, > >or > >brother and father of the younger males. > > > >The h/h of Shadrack--one male b 1810-1820 > > one male b 1804-1810 (Anderson?) > > one male b 1802-1804 > > two males b 1794-1802 (Toliver?) > > one male b 1785-1794 (Shadrack) > > > >Looking at the 1830 census for Anderson Ferguson of Rutherford Co, TN > listed > >are males consistant with Anderson b 1805, Toliver b 1800, and Toliver's > son > >Mansfield b 1823 (and a female consistent with Catherine, Toliver's > >wife). > >Also is a male b 1780-1790 (their father?). > > > >Therefore, my first senario is that Joel Ferguson's h/h of 1820 could > >numerate a grandfather (Joel), father (?), son Toliver and son Anderson > (as > >well as 3 other males). This same h/h listed in 1830 with Anderson > Ferguson > >as the head of household with older brother Toliver and father (?) from > the > >1820 numeration--grandfather Joel having died. > > > >Second senario is that Shadrack Ferguson's h/h of 1820 would include son > >Toliver, son Anderson, 3 other males and father Shadrack and this same > >h/h > >listed in 1830 would include Anderson as the head of household with > Toliver, > >son Mansfield and father Shadrack. > > > >The conclusions being that Joel Ferguson could be the father/grandfather > of > >Toliver and Anderson or Shadrack could be their father. As for the > >relationship of Joel an Shadrack--are they brothers or father and son? > > > >I am interested in your comments.......... > > > >Sherri > > > >Genealogists never die, they just lose their census! > >[] > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >TNRUTHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > >-- > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the TNRUTHER list administrator, send an email to > TNRUTHER-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the TNRUTHER mailing list, send an email to > TNRUTHER@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNRUTHER-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of TNRUTHER Digest, Vol 1, Issue 6 > ************************************** > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNRUTHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.9/458 - Release Date: 9/27/2006 > >
I hear you. I've been so busy with other stuff that I've put aside my own. Actually, the only proof I have is family hear say. Some of that line is on the Jefferson County, MS site. My friend Ann has that site..she does a great job. Mari At 08:58 AM 9/29/2006, you wrote: >If you find proof, please let me know. I am researching the >Toliver/Tolliver name also and I agree with you about the Talliferro. I >haven't been really active in genealogy lately but I never give up. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "my tngenes" <mytngenes@hotmail.com> >To: <tnruther@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 8:15 PM >Subject: Re: [TNRUTHER] TNRUTHER Digest, Vol 1, Issue 6 > > > > The only two spellings I have seen are Toliver or T Oliver (1823 > > Rutherford > > Co petition). I have often thought this name must be a variation of the > > surname Talliferro (sp) but have not come across any definite proof. > > > > Sherri > > > > <html><div><FONT color=#0000cc><STRONG>Genealogists never die, they just > > lose their census! <IMG height=19 > > src="http://graphics.hotmail.com/i.p.emsmilep.gif" > > width=19></STRONG></FONT></div></html> > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: tnruther-request@rootsweb.com > > Reply-To: tnruther@rootsweb.com > > To: tnruther@rootsweb.com > > Subject: TNRUTHER Digest, Vol 1, Issue 6 > > Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 01:01:15 -0400 > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Toliver Ferguson of Rutherford Co, TN--theories about father > > (my tngenes) > > 2. Re: Toliver Ferguson of Rutherford Co, TN--theories about > > father (Mari Byers) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:55:54 -0500 > > From: "my tngenes" <mytngenes@hotmail.com> > > Subject: [TNRUTHER] Toliver Ferguson of Rutherford Co, TN--theories > > about father > > To: FERGUSON-L@rootsweb.com, lynnferguson@cox.net, J2Ferguson@aol.com, > > runner@wtez.net, ssellers@texas.net, TNRUTHER-L@rootsweb.com, > > annlin@ev1.net > > Message-ID: <BAY103-F15730783E4D2874FCC8F3BB1A0@phx.gbl> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > > > Using the 1820 and 1830 census for Rutherford Co, TN, I have formed the > > following theories concerning the possibilities for the father of my > > earliest known ancestor, Toliver Ferguson-b abt 1800 TN. > > > > Beginning with the facts known about Toliver-he was born abt 1800 in TN > > and > > married Catherine Winters in Rutherford Co, TN in 1821, and he is found on > > the 1823 petition of moving the Rutherford/Bedford county line. Toliver > > has > > a son and grandson named Anderson. > > > > Ferguson families found on the 1820 Rutherford Co, TN having male > > numerations in their h/h whose ages would "match" Toliver are Joel and > > Shadrack. Both also have a male listed in the category consistant with the > > possibility of Anderson Ferguson, b 1805 TN being the younger brother of > > Toliver. > > > > The h/h of Joel--two males b 1810-1820, > > one male b 1804-1810, (Anderson?) > > one male b 1802-1804, > > one male b 1794-1802, (Toliver?) > > one male born 1785-1794, > > one male born before 1785 (Joel) > > These older males could be father and grandfather of the younger males, or > > brother and father of the younger males. > > > > The h/h of Shadrack--one male b 1810-1820 > > one male b 1804-1810 (Anderson?) > > one male b 1802-1804 > > two males b 1794-1802 (Toliver?) > > one male b 1785-1794 (Shadrack) > > > > Looking at the 1830 census for Anderson Ferguson of Rutherford Co, TN > > listed > > are males consistant with Anderson b 1805, Toliver b 1800, and Toliver's > > son > > Mansfield b 1823 (and a female consistent with Catherine, Toliver's wife). > > Also is a male b 1780-1790 (their father?). > > > > Therefore, my first senario is that Joel Ferguson's h/h of 1820 could > > numerate a grandfather (Joel), father (?), son Toliver and son Anderson > > (as > > well as 3 other males). This same h/h listed in 1830 with Anderson > > Ferguson > > as the head of household with older brother Toliver and father (?) from > > the > > 1820 numeration--grandfather Joel having died. > > > > Second senario is that Shadrack Ferguson's h/h of 1820 would include son > > Toliver, son Anderson, 3 other males and father Shadrack and this same h/h > > listed in 1830 would include Anderson as the head of household with > > Toliver, > > son Mansfield and father Shadrack. > > > > The conclusions being that Joel Ferguson could be the father/grandfather > > of > > Toliver and Anderson or Shadrack could be their father. As for the > > relationship of Joel an Shadrack--are they brothers or father and son? > > > > I am interested in your comments.......... > > > > Sherri > > > > <html><div><FONT color=#0000cc><STRONG>Genealogists never die, they just > > lose their census! <IMG height=19 > > src="http://graphics.hotmail.com/i.p.emsmilep.gif" > > width=19></STRONG></FONT></div></html> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:33:06 -0500 > > From: Mari Byers <keyofbflat@comcast.net> > > Subject: Re: [TNRUTHER] Toliver Ferguson of Rutherford Co, > > TN--theories about father > > To: tnruther@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20060927113138.025965b8@mail.comcast.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Question. Is Tolliver pronounced Toll- a ver- or Talliferro? I have a > > line from Ky but we call it Tolliver and it's spelled Tolliferro. > > Mari > > > > > > > > At 09:55 PM 9/26/2006, you wrote: > > > > >Using the 1820 and 1830 census for Rutherford Co, TN, I have formed the > > >following theories concerning the possibilities for the father of my > > >earliest known ancestor, Toliver Ferguson-b abt 1800 TN. > > > > > >Beginning with the facts known about Toliver-he was born abt 1800 in TN > > and > > >married Catherine Winters in Rutherford Co, TN in 1821, and he is found > > >on > > >the 1823 petition of moving the Rutherford/Bedford county line. Toliver > > has > > >a son and grandson named Anderson. > > > > > >Ferguson families found on the 1820 Rutherford Co, TN having male > > >numerations in their h/h whose ages would "match" Toliver are Joel and > > >Shadrack. Both also have a male listed in the category consistant with > > >the > > >possibility of Anderson Ferguson, b 1805 TN being the younger brother of > > >Toliver. > > > > > >The h/h of Joel--two males b 1810-1820, > > > one male b 1804-1810, (Anderson?) > > > one male b 1802-1804, > > > one male b 1794-1802, (Toliver?) > > > one male born 1785-1794, > > > one male born before 1785 (Joel) > > >These older males could be father and grandfather of the younger males, > > >or > > >brother and father of the younger males. > > > > > >The h/h of Shadrack--one male b 1810-1820 > > > one male b 1804-1810 (Anderson?) > > > one male b 1802-1804 > > > two males b 1794-1802 (Toliver?) > > > one male b 1785-1794 (Shadrack) > > > > > >Looking at the 1830 census for Anderson Ferguson of Rutherford Co, TN > > listed > > >are males consistant with Anderson b 1805, Toliver b 1800, and Toliver's > > son > > >Mansfield b 1823 (and a female consistent with Catherine, Toliver's > > >wife). > > >Also is a male b 1780-1790 (their father?). > > > > > >Therefore, my first senario is that Joel Ferguson's h/h of 1820 could > > >numerate a grandfather (Joel), father (?), son Toliver and son Anderson > > (as > > >well as 3 other males). This same h/h listed in 1830 with Anderson > > Ferguson > > >as the head of household with older brother Toliver and father (?) from > > the > > >1820 numeration--grandfather Joel having died. > > > > > >Second senario is that Shadrack Ferguson's h/h of 1820 would include son > > >Toliver, son Anderson, 3 other males and father Shadrack and this same > > >h/h > > >listed in 1830 would include Anderson as the head of household with > > Toliver, > > >son Mansfield and father Shadrack. > > > > > >The conclusions being that Joel Ferguson could be the father/grandfather > > of > > >Toliver and Anderson or Shadrack could be their father. As for the > > >relationship of Joel an Shadrack--are they brothers or father and son? > > > > > >I am interested in your comments.......... > > > > > >Sherri > > > > > >Genealogists never die, they just lose their census! > > >[] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >TNRUTHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > > >Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > >Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > To contact the TNRUTHER list administrator, send an email to > > TNRUTHER-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > > To post a message to the TNRUTHER mailing list, send an email to > > TNRUTHER@rootsweb.com. > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > TNRUTHER-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > > of the > > email with no additional text. > > > > > > End of TNRUTHER Digest, Vol 1, Issue 6 > > ************************************** > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > TNRUTHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.9/458 - Release Date: 9/27/2006 > > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >TNRUTHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.9/458 - Release Date: 9/27/2006 No virus found in this outgoing message. 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