Rhonda, this is great information, thank you for taking the time to share it with us. I am a 7th generation Texan, John McCarley received a land grant in Red River Co, TX in 1835. I will definitely check out the sources you provided. Thanks Again Diane Miller ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rhonda Houston" <rfhouston@mindspring.com> To: <tnruther@rootsweb.com>; <Seg420@aol.com>; <dianermiller@cox-internet.com>; <Cheasa@bellsouth.net>; <flostevens@cablelynx.com> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 7:17 AM Subject: Red River County Texas information > Dear Listowner, > > I included the Rutherford, Tennessee List on this message because > there were > some of you that ask some great questions, which I hope I've found > some > possible answers for them. I also surmised that perhaps there were > others > out there 'listening' on the list that might be as interested in this > subject as to 'why did they go to Texas' like myself, who has already > found > out and have lived in Texas for about 6 yrs now... > > Here's a few possible answers to the question 'what was the draw to > Texas, > and in particular, Red River County, Texas. This below author wants to > sell > her book over the internet, but what I know from experience from > living in > Texas, (I'm from California, and my family (Warmack) lived in > Davidson, > Benton, and within your Rutherford area early on) if you go to your > librarian and give him/her the title and author, dollars to donuts, > he/she > will be able to find this book for free via an interlibrary loan > request > which would undoubtedly go through the Texas Library system, and your > questions concerning 'what was the draw to Texas' early on would be > answered > with only a short wait for the book. > > > Here's a small overview: > The colorful history of Red River county in Northeast Tesas has been > greatly > neglected in the past by historians. No other county in the State of > Texas > can boast of such a beginning, and "Gateway to Texas - History of Red > River > County" by Martha Sue Stroud was written to enable readers to be > informed of > this. > This book will be of interest to anyone who loves history and not > just > to those from this area. The nineteen chapters begin in 1684 with > LaSalle's > exploration and cover a period up to the 1940's. Texas under six > flags, the > Red River, the Native Americans who were here first, pioneer families, > the > County Seat, the Civil War and its effects on Texas, early medicine, > education and dwellings, cemeteries, and the Orphan Train stopping in > Clarksville are discussed. The last chapter contains interviews > between the > author and twenty-four men and women of Red River County, advanced in > age, > who recall experiences from the past in their various walks of life. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > The author, Martha Sue Stroud, is a native of Clarksville and grew > up > around the historic Red River County courthouse where her father, Jim > Claiborne, served as Justice of the Peace for fourteen years. She > credits > her love of Texas history to this time in her life. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > DON'T BUY THE BOOK, GET IT INTERLIBRARY LOAN AND GET SOME > ANSWERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > The book, "Gateway to Texas - History of Red River County", by > Martha Sue > Stroud may be obtained by ordering from: > Martha Sue Stroud 514 Baylor Drive Greenville, TX > 75402 > > Be sure and remit $ 36.42. (Cost of book $ 29.95 tax $ 2.47 and > shipping > $ 4.00 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > Here's another book that has been out for awhile which you might not > have to > wait for so long than the one above. This book even has a BIBLIOGRAPHY > which > means things have been documented and there are other places to > investigate!! > > ROSALIE, TEXAS. Rosalie, on Farm Road 909 in southwestern Red River > County, > was originally known as Wayland. By 1880 the town had a population of > 200, > several stores, two churches, a school, a flour mill, and a gin. The > population apparently peaked about 1900 and declined as changes in > transportation routes shifted trade to nearby towns. The community's > once-famous springs, for centuries an oasis for travelers, were by the > 1970s > on private property. By the 1980s a cemetery, a church, a one-room > community > center, and several highway markers were all that remained of Rosalie. > > BIBLIOGRAPHY: Mrs. Tom Watkins, Rosalie (MS, Red River County > Historical > Society, Clarksville, Texas, ca. 1978). > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > Here's some more history: > > From my own knowledge, German immigrants arrived in Texas, in 1831, > which > made up the most well known civil war fighting men and this was the > initial > time Sam Houston declared Texas, an independent state and independent > from > the already established United States. > > Clarksville is actually one of the oldest cities in Texas. It came > into > being in 1837, but was already an established settlement in the 1820s. > However, because of confusing boundary lines carved out of the > Louisiana > Purchase, surveyors placed it in Miller County, Arkansas. After > independence, the U.S. government ceded the area to the Texas > Republic. > Seems only fair, since Red River County citizen Albert Latimer was one > of > the signers of the Texas Declaration of Independence. Another > influential > figure to come out of Clarksville was Charles DeMorse. He began > publishing > The Northern Standard, one of the Republic's first newspapers, in > 1842. A > true confederate, he changed the name of the paper to simply The > Standard > when he believed the Union got too pushy. > > Clarksville also has the distinction of being one of the only towns in > the > state that never suffered through a fire. Consequently, the courthouse > contains records from the beginning of the Republic until today. The > county > clerk's office is always teeming with genealogy folks looking for > clues - > including those studying their African American roots. Names of the > slaves > that lived in the county from the earliest times can be found in old > probate > records. > http://www.red-river.net/history1.htm > > Rebecca Hale of the Red River County Historical Society says that they > plan > to open several museums. Right now, all they have is a small, private > museum. http://www.red-river.net/histsoc.htm Their motto is worded,' > Welcome > To Red River County, Texas, "Where people are willing to help > people"...if > you don't take this as an invitation to ask a question, that Souther > Hospitality isn't coming home to you!! > > http://www.red-river.net/rrcgs.htm > > http://www.historictexas.net/cemeteries/2r/redriver.htm > Here's place someone could ask a question and get an answer. > > http://www.red-river.net/restoration.htm > The Red River County Courthouse is being renovated after 116 yrs of > operation...perhaps they would also be able to answer some > questions/look > for some items for you... > Red River County Historical Society > Attn: Calendar Committee > P. O. Box 1261 > Clarksville, Texas 75426 > ------------------------------------------ > > http://hometown.aol.com/texascountyflags/redriver.html > > This website has a maplocator for all the counties in Texas....which I > thought was a great find. > > Rhonda Warmack Houston > (rfhouston@mindsprng.com) > > >

Dear Listowner, I included the Rutherford, Tennessee List on this message because there were some of you that ask some great questions, which I hope I've found some possible answers for them. I also surmised that perhaps there were others out there 'listening' on the list that might be as interested in this subject as to 'why did they go to Texas' like myself, who has already found out and have lived in Texas for about 6 yrs now... Here's a few possible answers to the question 'what was the draw to Texas, and in particular, Red River County, Texas. This below author wants to sell her book over the internet, but what I know from experience from living in Texas, (I'm from California, and my family (Warmack) lived in Davidson, Benton, and within your Rutherford area early on) if you go to your librarian and give him/her the title and author, dollars to donuts, he/she will be able to find this book for free via an interlibrary loan request which would undoubtedly go through the Texas Library system, and your questions concerning 'what was the draw to Texas' early on would be answered with only a short wait for the book. Here's a small overview: The colorful history of Red River county in Northeast Tesas has been greatly neglected in the past by historians. No other county in the State of Texas can boast of such a beginning, and "Gateway to Texas - History of Red River County" by Martha Sue Stroud was written to enable readers to be informed of this. This book will be of interest to anyone who loves history and not just to those from this area. The nineteen chapters begin in 1684 with LaSalle's exploration and cover a period up to the 1940's. Texas under six flags, the Red River, the Native Americans who were here first, pioneer families, the County Seat, the Civil War and its effects on Texas, early medicine, education and dwellings, cemeteries, and the Orphan Train stopping in Clarksville are discussed. The last chapter contains interviews between the author and twenty-four men and women of Red River County, advanced in age, who recall experiences from the past in their various walks of life. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- The author, Martha Sue Stroud, is a native of Clarksville and grew up around the historic Red River County courthouse where her father, Jim Claiborne, served as Justice of the Peace for fourteen years. She credits her love of Texas history to this time in her life. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- DON'T BUY THE BOOK, GET IT INTERLIBRARY LOAN AND GET SOME ANSWERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The book, "Gateway to Texas - History of Red River County", by Martha Sue Stroud may be obtained by ordering from: Martha Sue Stroud 514 Baylor Drive Greenville, TX 75402 Be sure and remit $ 36.42. (Cost of book $ 29.95 tax $ 2.47 and shipping $ 4.00 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- Here's another book that has been out for awhile which you might not have to wait for so long than the one above. This book even has a BIBLIOGRAPHY which means things have been documented and there are other places to investigate!! ROSALIE, TEXAS. Rosalie, on Farm Road 909 in southwestern Red River County, was originally known as Wayland. By 1880 the town had a population of 200, several stores, two churches, a school, a flour mill, and a gin. The population apparently peaked about 1900 and declined as changes in transportation routes shifted trade to nearby towns. The community's once-famous springs, for centuries an oasis for travelers, were by the 1970s on private property. By the 1980s a cemetery, a church, a one-room community center, and several highway markers were all that remained of Rosalie. BIBLIOGRAPHY: Mrs. Tom Watkins, Rosalie (MS, Red River County Historical Society, Clarksville, Texas, ca. 1978). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Here's some more history: >From my own knowledge, German immigrants arrived in Texas, in 1831, which made up the most well known civil war fighting men and this was the initial time Sam Houston declared Texas, an independent state and independent from the already established United States. Clarksville is actually one of the oldest cities in Texas. It came into being in 1837, but was already an established settlement in the 1820s. However, because of confusing boundary lines carved out of the Louisiana Purchase, surveyors placed it in Miller County, Arkansas. After independence, the U.S. government ceded the area to the Texas Republic. Seems only fair, since Red River County citizen Albert Latimer was one of the signers of the Texas Declaration of Independence. Another influential figure to come out of Clarksville was Charles DeMorse. He began publishing The Northern Standard, one of the Republic's first newspapers, in 1842. A true confederate, he changed the name of the paper to simply The Standard when he believed the Union got too pushy. Clarksville also has the distinction of being one of the only towns in the state that never suffered through a fire. Consequently, the courthouse contains records from the beginning of the Republic until today. The county clerk's office is always teeming with genealogy folks looking for clues - including those studying their African American roots. Names of the slaves that lived in the county from the earliest times can be found in old probate records. http://www.red-river.net/history1.htm Rebecca Hale of the Red River County Historical Society says that they plan to open several museums. Right now, all they have is a small, private museum. http://www.red-river.net/histsoc.htm Their motto is worded,' Welcome To Red River County, Texas, "Where people are willing to help people"...if you don't take this as an invitation to ask a question, that Souther Hospitality isn't coming home to you!! http://www.red-river.net/rrcgs.htm http://www.historictexas.net/cemeteries/2r/redriver.htm Here's place someone could ask a question and get an answer. http://www.red-river.net/restoration.htm The Red River County Courthouse is being renovated after 116 yrs of operation...perhaps they would also be able to answer some questions/look for some items for you... Red River County Historical Society Attn: Calendar Committee P. O. Box 1261 Clarksville, Texas 75426 ------------------------------------------ http://hometown.aol.com/texascountyflags/redriver.html This website has a maplocator for all the counties in Texas....which I thought was a great find. Rhonda Warmack Houston (rfhouston@mindsprng.com)

Jim, Here is what we have on Z Thomas...... Family Group Record - 15861 04 Nov 2006 ====================================================================================================================== Husband: Zachariah THOMAS-45147 ====================================================================================================================== Born: 1826 Place: VA Baptism: Place: Died: Place: Buried: Place: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Married: 8 Oct 1850 Place: Cannon Co, TN Other Spouse: Nancy O WALKUP-45157 MRIN: 15864 Married: 13 Jun 1877 Place: Other Spouse: Sarah Emaline SAFFLE-45158 MRIN: 15865 Married: 27 Nov 1883 Place: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Husband's mother: Husband's father: ====================================================================================================================== Wife: Isabella TRAVIS-45148 ====================================================================================================================== Born: Place: Baptism: Place: Died: Place: Buried: Place: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wife's mother: Wife's father: ====================================================================================================================== Children ====================================================================================================================== 1. George W THOMAS-45149 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- M Born: 1853 Place: Baptism: Place: Died: Place: Buried: Place: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Spouse: Roxanna NORTHCOTT-45150 MRIN: 15862 Married: Place: Rutherford Co, TN ====================================================================================================================== 2. Sarah Ann THOMAS-45155 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- F Born: Place: Baptism: Place: Died: Place: Buried: Place: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Spouse: John F PASCHAL-45156 MRIN: 15863 Married: Place: ====================================================================================================================== 3. Fannie Kate THOMAS-1993 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- F Born: Sep 1856 Place: Christened: Place: Died: Bef 1910 Place: Buried: Place: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Spouse: James Delmar VAUGHT-1988 MRIN: 660 Married: 12 Oct 1877 Place: ====================================================================================================================== 4. Margrett L THOMAS M1-1964 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- F Born: 10 Feb 1857 Place: TN Christened: Place: Died: 29 Jan 1915 Place: Buried: Place: Arledge Ridge Cem, Fannin Co, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Spouse: Thomas Lee TARPLEY-1960 MRIN: 649 Married: 30 Dec 1879 Place: ====================================================================================================================== 5. Callie Matilda THOMAS-45161 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- F Born: Place: Baptism: Place: Died: Place: Buried: Place: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Spouse: David Hall PASCHAL-45162 MRIN: 15867 Married: Place: ====================================================================================================================== 6. Jessie A THOMAS-45163 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- M Born: Place: Baptism: Place: Died: Place: Buried: Place: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Spouse: Mary Almont DUBOIS-45164 MRIN: 15868 Married: Place: ====================================================================================================================== 7. Eliza Jane THOMAS-45165 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- F Born: Place: Baptism: Place: Died: Place: Buried: Place: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Spouse: William Joseph FARMER-45166 MRIN: 15869 Married: Place: ====================================================================================================================== 8. William Zachariah THOMAS-45167 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- M Born: Place: Baptism: Place: Died: Place: Buried: Place: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Spouse: Jennie Mary SAFFAL-45168 MRIN: 15870 Married: Place: Other Spouse: Sallie D SMITH-45169 MRIN: 15871 Married: Place: ====================================================================================================================== Notes: HUSBAND - Zachariah THOMAS-45147 CENSUS: Cannon County, Tennessee 1850 3rd Civil District Lucy Thomas 50 VA, Zachariah 24 VA, Matilda 18 VA, Sawney (m) 17 VA, Thos. 11 VA, Louisa 10 VA, Henry 3 TN. CENSUS: Rutherford County, Tennessee 1880 Page 300 Zack Thomas 54, Nancy 35, Matilda 20, James 17, Jessie 14, Eliza 13, William 12. CHILD 1 - George W THOMAS-45149 CENSUS: Rutherford County, Tennessee 1880 Page 302 George Thomas 27, Roxana 28, Eliza 4, Andrew 3, Mary 2, Amanda 2/12. ====================================================================================================================== --- Jim H Thomas <brewster@neto.com> wrote:

Does anyone know anything about the Lina M. Ray that is listed on the 1840 and 1850 Rutherford County, TN census? I think she MAY be the wife of Thomas J. Ray, and it is POSSIBLE that they are the parents of my Jacob Ray. Thanks Teresa Ghee Elliott Teenagers-Can't live with 'em, can't kill 'em. --http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rutherfordcemetery/

Hey guys, PLEASE do not copy the entire digest when replying. Edit out what you aren't replying to so that we don't fill the archives with junk. Thanks. Teresa Ghee Elliott --http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rutherfordcemetery/ -----Original Message----- From: tnruther-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tnruther-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Flo Stevens Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 10:58 PM To: tnruther@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TNRUTHER] TNRUTHER Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58 tnruther-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Today's Topics: > > 1. Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. (Seg420@aol.com) > 2. Re: Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. (Diane Miller) > 3. Re: Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. (Teresa Elliott) > >

I would love to have any information you might have on the Summers family. They are difficult to find. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janelle Taylor" <jcoats@cafes.net> To: <tnruther@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [TNRUTHER] TNRUTHER Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58 > There was also a mass movement from Rutherford County to the Cumberland > Plateau in and around Monteagle and Summerfield in Grundy County, TN. The > following are some families in that area who came to Grundy County from > Rutherford County. > Summers, Howland, Lowe, White (These family names still found in the Big > Springs area of Rutherford Co. as well). I wondered if these folks were > coming to the plateau for health reasons. There was a TB sanitarium in > Monteagle early on, but many people, especially wealthy ones, sought the > cooler temperatures of the plateau. I don't beleive that these particular > families were wealthy, however. Does anyone know what the Monteagle, TN, > area offered people from Rutherford County that made them want to settle > there ? > > My grandfather's 3rd wife was Nettie Eleanor Parker (b. 1881) , daughter > of > Joseph Parker (b. about 1849) & Fannie Howland. They were married in the > about 1907. He was from Grundy County and she was born in Big Springs, > Rutherford County. > Do any of you have Joseph Parker or Fannie Howland in your research? I do > know that Fannie's parents were > Lewis Hamilton Howland (b. 1805) and Elizabeth "Betsy" Jacobs (b. 1811). > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Flo Stevens" <flostevens@cablelynx.com> > To: <tnruther@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 10:57 PM > Subject: Re: [TNRUTHER] TNRUTHER Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58 > > >> tnruther-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. (Seg420@aol.com) >>> 2. Re: Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. (Diane Miller) >>> 3. Re: Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. (Teresa Elliott) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:28:01 EST >>> From: Seg420@aol.com >>> Subject: [TNRUTHER] Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. >>> To: tnruther@rootsweb.com >>> Message-ID: <c2a.486d405.327a08f1@aol.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >>> >>> >>> Dear Flo and Diane, >>> >>> My Yearwood relatives moved from Rutherford Co., TN to Clarksville, Red >>> River Co., TX, also! >>> Wish we could know what the draw was! >>> >>> Susi Godfrey >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:56:44 -0600 >>> From: "Diane Miller" <dianermiller@cox-internet.com> >>> Subject: Re: [TNRUTHER] Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. >>> To: <tnruther@rootsweb.com> >>> Message-ID: <009501c6fe3b$4c601a50$7180b346@dianesdl5p539g> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>> reply-type=original >>> >>> Susi, it would only be a guess on my part. Probably just "greener >>> pastures". Maybe the oldest sons inherited all the father's land, who >>> knows. Once word got back that Texas was a good deal the kinfolks and >>> friends would follow. >>> Diane >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <Seg420@aol.com> >>> To: <tnruther@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:28 AM >>> Subject: [TNRUTHER] Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. >>> >>> >>> >>>> Dear Flo and Diane, >>>> >>>> My Yearwood relatives moved from Rutherford Co., TN to Clarksville, >>>> Red >>>> River Co., TX, also! >>>> Wish we could know what the draw was! >>>> >>>> Susi Godfrey >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> TNRUTHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 23:09:25 -0600 >>> From: "Teresa Elliott" <Cheasa@bellsouth.net> >>> Subject: Re: [TNRUTHER] Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. >>> To: <tnruther@rootsweb.com> >>> Message-ID: >>> <20061102050240.QFRQ5228.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@MomsLaptop> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> >>> There was also slave trade between TN and TX so there was probably slave >>> traders coming back and talking about Tx to the people in TN. >>> >>> Teresa Ghee Elliott >>> --http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rutherfordcemetery/ >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: tnruther-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:tnruther-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>> On Behalf Of Diane Miller >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:57 PM >>> To: tnruther@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [TNRUTHER] Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. >>> >>> Susi, it would only be a guess on my part. Probably just "greener >>> pastures". Maybe the oldest sons inherited all the father's land, who >>> knows. Once word got back that Texas was a good deal the kinfolks and >>> friends would follow. >>> Diane >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <Seg420@aol.com> >>> To: <tnruther@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:28 AM >>> Subject: [TNRUTHER] Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. >>> >>> >>> >>>> Dear Flo and Diane, >>>> >>>> My Yearwood relatives moved from Rutherford Co., TN to Clarksville, >>>> Red >>>> River Co., TX, also! >>>> Wish we could know what the draw was! >>>> >>>> Susi Godfrey >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> TNRUTHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TNRUTHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> To contact the TNRUTHER list administrator, send an email to >>> TNRUTHER-admin@rootsweb.com. >>> >>> To post a message to the TNRUTHER mailing list, send an email to >>> TNRUTHER@rootsweb.com. >>> >>> __________________________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TNRUTHER-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >>> body of the >>> email with no additional text. >>> >>> >>> End of TNRUTHER Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58 >>> *************************************** >>> . >>> >>> >> I don't know what drew these people to Red River Co., TX, but I found >> these former Rutherford County citizens there also: >> >> Buried in Clarksville Cemetery, Clarksville, Red River Co., TX (this is >> online) >> John H. Morgan, born 23 May 1823; died 12 Feb 1891. Marker says Born in >> Rutherford Co., TN, Husband of Susan >> Susan F. Morgan, born 30 June 1830; died 30 Dec 1887. Marker says Born >> in Rutherford Co., TN, Wife of John Morgan >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TNRUTHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.22/512 - Release Date: >> 11/1/2006 >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNRUTHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

ATTN Jim H. Thomas I see your surname and I wonder if you have any Silas M. Thomas information? He was on the Robertson Co., TN census of 1850 with his wife Frances Jane [Fletcher], moved to Logan Co., KY in 1851 and died there before Jan 1892. The 1850 census showed $3960 worth of real estate which Robertson Co. Archives says he did not buy, sell or inherit in Robertson Co. He has been my brick wall for a long time. Thanks. I have not run on to a Silas Thomas in my research. My brick wall is the father of my gg grandfather, Zachariah Thomas, who at age 24 was on the 1850 Cannon County census with Lucy Thomas age 50 (his mother I think) and other children. Jim

There was also a mass movement from Rutherford County to the Cumberland Plateau in and around Monteagle and Summerfield in Grundy County, TN. The following are some families in that area who came to Grundy County from Rutherford County. Summers, Howland, Lowe, White (These family names still found in the Big Springs area of Rutherford Co. as well). I wondered if these folks were coming to the plateau for health reasons. There was a TB sanitarium in Monteagle early on, but many people, especially wealthy ones, sought the cooler temperatures of the plateau. I don't beleive that these particular families were wealthy, however. Does anyone know what the Monteagle, TN, area offered people from Rutherford County that made them want to settle there ? My grandfather's 3rd wife was Nettie Eleanor Parker (b. 1881) , daughter of Joseph Parker (b. about 1849) & Fannie Howland. They were married in the about 1907. He was from Grundy County and she was born in Big Springs, Rutherford County. Do any of you have Joseph Parker or Fannie Howland in your research? I do know that Fannie's parents were Lewis Hamilton Howland (b. 1805) and Elizabeth "Betsy" Jacobs (b. 1811). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Flo Stevens" <flostevens@cablelynx.com> To: <tnruther@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [TNRUTHER] TNRUTHER Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58 > tnruther-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. (Seg420@aol.com) >> 2. Re: Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. (Diane Miller) >> 3. Re: Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. (Teresa Elliott) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:28:01 EST >> From: Seg420@aol.com >> Subject: [TNRUTHER] Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. >> To: tnruther@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <c2a.486d405.327a08f1@aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> >> >> Dear Flo and Diane, >> >> My Yearwood relatives moved from Rutherford Co., TN to Clarksville, Red >> River Co., TX, also! >> Wish we could know what the draw was! >> >> Susi Godfrey >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:56:44 -0600 >> From: "Diane Miller" <dianermiller@cox-internet.com> >> Subject: Re: [TNRUTHER] Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. >> To: <tnruther@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <009501c6fe3b$4c601a50$7180b346@dianesdl5p539g> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Susi, it would only be a guess on my part. Probably just "greener >> pastures". Maybe the oldest sons inherited all the father's land, who >> knows. Once word got back that Texas was a good deal the kinfolks and >> friends would follow. >> Diane >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <Seg420@aol.com> >> To: <tnruther@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:28 AM >> Subject: [TNRUTHER] Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. >> >> >> >>> Dear Flo and Diane, >>> >>> My Yearwood relatives moved from Rutherford Co., TN to Clarksville, >>> Red >>> River Co., TX, also! >>> Wish we could know what the draw was! >>> >>> Susi Godfrey >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TNRUTHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 23:09:25 -0600 >> From: "Teresa Elliott" <Cheasa@bellsouth.net> >> Subject: Re: [TNRUTHER] Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. >> To: <tnruther@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: >> <20061102050240.QFRQ5228.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@MomsLaptop> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> There was also slave trade between TN and TX so there was probably slave >> traders coming back and talking about Tx to the people in TN. >> >> Teresa Ghee Elliott >> --http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rutherfordcemetery/ >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tnruther-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:tnruther-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Diane Miller >> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:57 PM >> To: tnruther@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [TNRUTHER] Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. >> >> Susi, it would only be a guess on my part. Probably just "greener >> pastures". Maybe the oldest sons inherited all the father's land, who >> knows. Once word got back that Texas was a good deal the kinfolks and >> friends would follow. >> Diane >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <Seg420@aol.com> >> To: <tnruther@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:28 AM >> Subject: [TNRUTHER] Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. >> >> >> >>> Dear Flo and Diane, >>> >>> My Yearwood relatives moved from Rutherford Co., TN to Clarksville, >>> Red >>> River Co., TX, also! >>> Wish we could know what the draw was! >>> >>> Susi Godfrey >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TNRUTHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TNRUTHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the TNRUTHER list administrator, send an email to >> TNRUTHER-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the TNRUTHER mailing list, send an email to >> TNRUTHER@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TNRUTHER-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >> body of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of TNRUTHER Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58 >> *************************************** >> . >> >> > I don't know what drew these people to Red River Co., TX, but I found > these former Rutherford County citizens there also: > > Buried in Clarksville Cemetery, Clarksville, Red River Co., TX (this is > online) > John H. Morgan, born 23 May 1823; died 12 Feb 1891. Marker says Born in > Rutherford Co., TN, Husband of Susan > Susan F. Morgan, born 30 June 1830; died 30 Dec 1887. Marker says Born > in Rutherford Co., TN, Wife of John Morgan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNRUTHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.22/512 - Release Date: 11/1/2006 >

tnruther-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Today's Topics: > > 1. Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. (Seg420@aol.com) > 2. Re: Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. (Diane Miller) > 3. Re: Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. (Teresa Elliott) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:28:01 EST > From: Seg420@aol.com > Subject: [TNRUTHER] Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. > To: tnruther@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <c2a.486d405.327a08f1@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > Dear Flo and Diane, > > My Yearwood relatives moved from Rutherford Co., TN to Clarksville, Red > River Co., TX, also! > Wish we could know what the draw was! > > Susi Godfrey > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:56:44 -0600 > From: "Diane Miller" <dianermiller@cox-internet.com> > Subject: Re: [TNRUTHER] Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. > To: <tnruther@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <009501c6fe3b$4c601a50$7180b346@dianesdl5p539g> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Susi, it would only be a guess on my part. Probably just "greener > pastures". Maybe the oldest sons inherited all the father's land, who > knows. Once word got back that Texas was a good deal the kinfolks and > friends would follow. > Diane > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Seg420@aol.com> > To: <tnruther@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:28 AM > Subject: [TNRUTHER] Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. > > > >> Dear Flo and Diane, >> >> My Yearwood relatives moved from Rutherford Co., TN to Clarksville, >> Red >> River Co., TX, also! >> Wish we could know what the draw was! >> >> Susi Godfrey >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TNRUTHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 23:09:25 -0600 > From: "Teresa Elliott" <Cheasa@bellsouth.net> > Subject: Re: [TNRUTHER] Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. > To: <tnruther@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <20061102050240.QFRQ5228.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@MomsLaptop> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > There was also slave trade between TN and TX so there was probably slave > traders coming back and talking about Tx to the people in TN. > > Teresa Ghee Elliott > --http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rutherfordcemetery/ > -----Original Message----- > From: tnruther-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tnruther-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Diane Miller > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:57 PM > To: tnruther@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TNRUTHER] Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. > > Susi, it would only be a guess on my part. Probably just "greener > pastures". Maybe the oldest sons inherited all the father's land, who > knows. Once word got back that Texas was a good deal the kinfolks and > friends would follow. > Diane > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Seg420@aol.com> > To: <tnruther@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:28 AM > Subject: [TNRUTHER] Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. > > > >> Dear Flo and Diane, >> >> My Yearwood relatives moved from Rutherford Co., TN to Clarksville, >> Red >> River Co., TX, also! >> Wish we could know what the draw was! >> >> Susi Godfrey >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TNRUTHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNRUTHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the TNRUTHER list administrator, send an email to > TNRUTHER-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the TNRUTHER mailing list, send an email to TNRUTHER@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNRUTHER-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of TNRUTHER Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58 > *************************************** > . > > I don't know what drew these people to Red River Co., TX, but I found these former Rutherford County citizens there also: Buried in Clarksville Cemetery, Clarksville, Red River Co., TX (this is online) John H. Morgan, born 23 May 1823; died 12 Feb 1891. Marker says Born in Rutherford Co., TN, Husband of Susan Susan F. Morgan, born 30 June 1830; died 30 Dec 1887. Marker says Born in Rutherford Co., TN, Wife of John Morgan

ATTN Jim H. Thomas I see your surname and I wonder if you have any Silas M. Thomas information? He was on the Robertson Co., TN census of 1850 with his wife Frances Jane [Fletcher], moved to Logan Co., KY in 1851 and died there before Jan 1892. The 1850 census showed $3960 worth of real estate which Robertson Co. Archives says he did not buy, sell or inherit in Robertson Co. He has been my brick wall for a long time. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim H Thomas" <brewster@neto.com> To: <TNRUTHER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:29 AM Subject: [TNRUTHER] Clarksville, Texas > Re: Red River County, Texas > One of the draws was cheap black land that grew excellent cotton crops. > Jim Thomas > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNRUTHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Many of my SUMMERS kin migrated down the same path. I think the hardships of Reconstruction (after the Civil War) were a big factor that sent many of my ancestors to Cherokee Co, TX from Carlocksville (Big Springs) TN, though many went to TX earlier. There were (and still are) strong ties between Tennessee & Texas. Even today, our accents are simular. There is also a YEARWOOD that married into our SUMMERS line way back and I think they were some of the bunch that ended up in TX. Paul Martin researching: SUMMERS, McCRARY, NEWMAN, FRIZZELL lines from Nashville TN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Miller" <dianermiller@cox-internet.com> To: <tnruther@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [TNRUTHER] Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. > Susi, it would only be a guess on my part. Probably just "greener > pastures". Maybe the oldest sons inherited all the father's land, who > knows. Once word got back that Texas was a good deal the kinfolks and > friends would follow. > Diane > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Seg420@aol.com> > To: <tnruther@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:28 AM > Subject: [TNRUTHER] Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. > > >> >> Dear Flo and Diane, >> >> My Yearwood relatives moved from Rutherford Co., TN to Clarksville, >> Red >> River Co., TX, also! >> Wish we could know what the draw was! >> >> Susi Godfrey >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TNRUTHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNRUTHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Re: Red River County, Texas One of the draws was cheap black land that grew excellent cotton crops. Jim Thomas

There was also slave trade between TN and TX so there was probably slave traders coming back and talking about Tx to the people in TN. Teresa Ghee Elliott --http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rutherfordcemetery/ -----Original Message----- From: tnruther-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tnruther-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Diane Miller Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:57 PM To: tnruther@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TNRUTHER] Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. Susi, it would only be a guess on my part. Probably just "greener pastures". Maybe the oldest sons inherited all the father's land, who knows. Once word got back that Texas was a good deal the kinfolks and friends would follow. Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: <Seg420@aol.com> To: <tnruther@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:28 AM Subject: [TNRUTHER] Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. > > Dear Flo and Diane, > > My Yearwood relatives moved from Rutherford Co., TN to Clarksville, > Red > River Co., TX, also! > Wish we could know what the draw was! > > Susi Godfrey > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNRUTHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNRUTHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Susi, it would only be a guess on my part. Probably just "greener pastures". Maybe the oldest sons inherited all the father's land, who knows. Once word got back that Texas was a good deal the kinfolks and friends would follow. Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: <Seg420@aol.com> To: <tnruther@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:28 AM Subject: [TNRUTHER] Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. > > Dear Flo and Diane, > > My Yearwood relatives moved from Rutherford Co., TN to Clarksville, > Red > River Co., TX, also! > Wish we could know what the draw was! > > Susi Godfrey > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNRUTHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Flo and Diane, My Yearwood relatives moved from Rutherford Co., TN to Clarksville, Red River Co., TX, also! Wish we could know what the draw was! Susi Godfrey

I also found your posts interesting as I live in Clarksville, Texas. My g.grandfather, George W Thomas, migrated from the Trimble area in Rutherford County to the Clarksville, Texas area abt. 1882. Another brother, Jess, came in the 1880's and brother William Z. in 1911. Two sisters, Maggie Tarpley and husband Thomas and Eliza Jane Farmer and husband William migrated to Bonham in Fannin County during this time period. Another sister, Fannie Kate Vaught and husband James migrated there also but later returned to Rutherford County. Another brother, James, was supposed to have migrated but I have not been able to find any record of him. Jim Thomas

Flo, I am not sure this will help any, but I could not help but notice several of the children ended up in Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. My Bledsoe family came from Carroll Co, TN. to Clarksville, Red River Co., TX. some time after 1857. My 3rd Great Grandfather was Ballard Gates Bledsoe b. 1835, on 17 May 1857 in Carroll Co. TN, he married Elizabeth Helen Crawford b.1837. She died in 1890 in Clarksville, Red River Co., TX and is buried in the Madras Cemetery in Clarksville. I noticed that two of the McElroys children married Crawfords. You never know where a lead might come from, just thought I would pass this on to you. Diane Miller ----- Original Message ----- From: "Flo Stevens" <flos@earthlink.net> To: <TNRUTHER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 7:51 PM Subject: [TNRUTHER] McELROY-STATLER > Were the McElroys now being discussed any relation to John W. McElroy > who was born about 1800-1805 in South Carolina (according to the 1850 > and 1860 census records of Marshall Co, MS)? He married Elizabeth R. > Statler of Rutherford Co. about 1830. He is possibly the Jonathan > McElroy on the 1840 Rutherford Co. census. He and his family had moved > to Mt. Pleasant, Marshall Co, MS before 1847 and lived there through > the > 1860 census. They had the following children: > > 1. Mary Rebecca McElroy, born abt 1832, TN; married Jacob B. Hunter, > 23 > Dec 1847, Marshall Co, MS. She was still living in Marshall Co. in > 1887. > > 2. Samuel McElroy, born abt 1835 TN; he was killed in Nicaragua (bef > 1887) > > 3. Tennessee H. McElroy, born abt 1838 TN; died 22 May 1914, probably > Clarksville, Red River Co, TX. She married George L. Moorman abt 1883. > > 4. Elizabeth R. McElroy, born abt 1840 TN; died before 1880; married > William R. Crawford, 20 Dec 1859, Marshall Co, MS. > > 5. Robert B. McElroy, born abt 1847 Marshall Co, MS; died before 1887; > married Mary E. Crawford > > 6. William M. McElroy, born Apr 1852, Marshall Co, MS; died 1928, > probably Red River Co, TX. > > John W. McElroy's wife, Elizabeth R. Statler, was the daughter of > Abraham Statler and his wife, Mrs. Hannah (Wright) Miller Statler, > daughter of Isaac and Rebekah (Thompson) Wright of Rutherford Co. She > was born 13 Apr 1813, probably Rutherford Co, TN and died 1 June 1887, > probably Clarksville, Red River Co., TX and is buried Clarksville > Cemetery. Abraham Statler moved to Murfreesboro about 1811 and was a > Hatter there in the early years. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNRUTHER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The Middle Tennessee Genealogical Society and the Tennessee Historical Society will host its 20th Annual All-Day Genealogical Seminar on Saturday, November 18, 2006 with registration starting at 8:15 a.m. Dr. John P. Colletta will be the speaker. Dr. Colletta is a very popular speaker and the author of many "how to" articles. He has also appeared on radio and television programs dealing with genealogy. He will present four lectures throughout the day. All details of the seminar can be found at: http://www.mtgs.org including directions to the Brentwood Public Library with a printable map; registration form and the brochure in Adobe Reader format. There is a link on our site just in case you need the reader. We look forward to seeing you Saturday, November 19th. Katheryne Cowan MTGS Webmaster

Sorry if I have put this on before but I have put messages on different sites. I ham looking for any help on Thomas D. Young he was supposedly born in VA about 1800 and he is listed in the Rutherford Co. TN ,s 1820 census along with his father Joseph Young. he also was listed in the1830 census. He had three children there John A. Young B.1830 Joseph H. Young and 1 female I believe was M. Elizabeth Young. I am trying to find out who his wife was. All three children were born in Rutherford Co. as far as I can find out. Thanks; Ken

Sorry if I have put this on before but I have put messages on different sites. I ham looking for any help on Thomas D. Young he was supposedly born in VA about 1800 and he is listed in the Rutherford Co. TN ,s 1820 census along with his father Joseph Young. he also was listed in the1830 census. He had three children there John A. Young B.1830 Joseph H. Young and 1 female I believe was M. Elizabeth Young. I am trying to find out who his wife was. All three children were born in Rutherford Co. as far as I can find out. Thanks; Ken