Is there an 1820 and 1830 census for Rutherford County? Does anyone do checkups? I am looking for James Montgomery and family (particulary his daughter Martha Louisa) in either year. Also David Elder and James Elder. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Bev

Middle Tennessee Genealogical Society will present Lloyd DeWitt Bockstruck, noted author, genealogy librarian, newspaper columnist, and nationally-known lecturer in their 17th annual seminar Saturday Nov 20, 2004 at the Martin Senior Citizens Center, 906 Heritage Way, Brentwood, TN. The Center is located east of the Concord Road exit from I-65, across from the Brentwood Library. Tennessee Historical Society is co-sponsor for this presentation. Topics to be covered include "Genealogical Research in the Southern Colonies," "Southern Migrations," "Virginia Research," and "The Carolinas Research." Vendors of genealogical materials and books will have displays. Registration opens at 8:30 am and the program begins at 9:00. Registration fee of $30 for members and $40 for non-members includes a packet of hand-outs. A box lunch will be guaranteed only for advance registrations received before the 10 November deadline, however a complimentary selection of pastries and beverages will be available at the morning session. Advance registrations should be sent to Juanita Patton, Registrar, P. O. Box 330948, Nashville, TN 37203-7507, with check or money order made out to Middle Tennessee Genealogical Society. For additional information call (615) 298-3742, e-mail [email protected] or check the society website at www.mtgs.org Since 1973, Lloyd Bockstruck has served as Supervisor of the Genealogy Library at the Dallas (TX) Public Library. His popular column about genealogy, "Family Trees," appears each Saturday in The Dallas Morning News. Among his works are Virginia's Colonial Soldiers; Genealogical Research in Texas; Revolutionary War Bounty Land Grants Awarded by State Governments; and Naval Pensioners of the United States, 1800-1851. The Middle Tennesse Genealogical Society, organized in 1986, is a not-for-profit organization of about 600 members in Tennessee and in several states and nations. The award-winning quarterly Middle Tennessee Journal of Genealogy and History presents material about a 40-county area surrounding Nashville. Bimonthly meetings and programs are held on the third Saturday every other month at the Edmondson Pike Public Library, 5501 Edmondson Pike, Nashville, TN. For information about the program schedule and how to become a member, check the Society's website at www.mtgs.org Carolyn Smotherman Corresponding Secretary Middle Tennessee Genealogical Society

We have a mystery. Those of you who live in the Rutherford area (Murfreesboro) will know about the area by Cason Lane. There is a Kroger shopping center there. In the grove behind the Bedding Shop sits a small fenced in cemetery with one tombstone. It is that of a Civil War hero. A lady who has ridden her horse through there for years says before they tarred over the place to make a street there were 17 or so other graves. The construction company said they would remove the graves but now will not tell anyone where they put them. I'm going to drive down there in the next few days (It's cold and yucky out today) and get some pics. Does anyone have any info on this? Mari

>X-Originating-IP: [67.18.230.132] >To: [email protected] >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >Subject: [Forum:] Will of Richard Brown >Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:15:51 -0500 (CDT) >X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at usgennet.net > >The following new message has been posted on Forum at ><http://www.tngenweb.org/rutherford/webbbs/wills/index.cgi>. > >*************************************************************************** > > MESSAGE: (#105) Will of Richard Brown > ><http://www.tngenweb.org/rutherford/webbbs/wills/index.cgi?rev=105> > AUTHOR: Diane Ricks > DATE: Wednesday, 13 October 2004, at 12:15 p.m. > > Richard Brown Dec'd Will > >I, Richard Brown of Rutherford County and State of Tennessee, make this my >Last Will. I give , devise and bequeath my estate and property, real and >personal, as follows, that is to say: I want all my debts paid now due, and >any burial expenses also. > >I give to my wife Jane G. Brown one horse, she to choose it, also one cow, >she >to choose it, also my entire stock of hogs, also all of my household and >kitchen furiture, also all the farming utinsels. > >I also devise to my wife Jane G. Brown all my real estate, consisting of a >certain tract of land lying in District No. 22 Rutherford County and State of >Tennessee containing eighty seven acres more or less. My said wife Jane G. >Brown is to have the personal property to use as she thinks best, that is she >to have the right to sell it at any time, but the real estate she is to have >only as long as she lives a widow, and at her death or marriage to revert >back >to my children for an equal distribution (viz) Mary E. Mabry, William Richard >Brown, (heir of my son Robert A. Brown dec'd), Joseph T. Brown and Nancy >Moore. > >I also appoint my son son Joseph T. Brown as my executor of this Will, and to >be guardian for my grandson William Richard Brown (heir of my son Robert A. >Brown dec'd ) It is my will that my executor Joseph T. Brown shall hold >William Richard Brown's portion of my estate in his hands until he ( William >Richard Brown) becomes of age there to pay it over to him. But, if he should >die before he becomes of age then his portion is to revert back to my >surviving children for an equal distribution. > >In witness whereof, I have signed and sealed, and published and declared this >instrument as my Will. This May the 14th 1881. > >Richard Brown seal > >The said Richard Brown on said 14 th day of May 1881 signed and sealed this >instrument, and published and declared this source as for his Last Will. And >we at his request, and in his presence, and in the presence of each other, >have hereunto written our names as subscribing witnesses. > >John S. Thompson > >Jos. R. Thompson > >W.M. Freeman > >State of Tennessee : > >Rutherford County : > >County Court August term 1881 > >The forgoing papers writing suporting to be the Last Will and Testament of >Richard Brown dec'd was this day presented in open Court for probate and the >executor there of was duly proven by the oaths and examination of John S. >Thompson and Jos. R. Thompson two of the subscribing witnesses there unto and >was ordered to be recorded and filed. > >Witness my hand at office at Murfreesboro this 1 day of August 1881. > >W.D. Robison clerk Recorded Sept 12, 1881 > >Record Book 28 pages 97 and 98 > >Richard Brown Dec'd > >The forgoing ia a correct Sale List of the property belonging to the >estate of >Richard Brown dec'd and sold by me on the 17 th day of Sept. 1881. > >J. W. Watson 1 cow $12.20 D. Banker ? 1 horse 70.20 Henry Fathers? 1colt >29.70 >Hugh Kegg 1 cow $9.00 less 6 percent8.00 Cash on hand 60.00 > >----- > >$ 180.20 > >I certify that the forgoing is a true and correct Sale List of the property >sold by me belonging to the estate of Richard Brown dec'd. > >J. R. Fathers ? Sworn to & subscribed before me this 17 th Oct. 1881 > >W.D.Robison > >Recorded Nov.23, 1881 > >Recorded Record Book 28 page 189 > >transcribed and copied by: Diane K. Madding Ricks 13 Oct. 2004 > >*************************************************************************** > >This is an automatically-generated notice. If you'd like to be removed from >the mailing list, please visit Forum at ><http://www.tngenweb.org/rutherford/webbbs/wills/index.cgi>, or send your >request to [email protected] If you wish to respond to this message, >please post your response directly to the board. Thank you!

Richard Brown Dec'd Will I, Richard Brown of Rutherford County and State of Tennessee, make this my Last Will. I give , devise and bequeath my estate and property, real and personal, as follows, that is to say: I want all my debts paid now due, and any burial expenses also. I give to my wife Jane G. Brown one horse, she to choose it, also one cow, she to choose it, also my entire stock of hogs, also all of my household and kitchen furiture, also all the farming utinsels. I also devise to my wife Jane G. Brown all my real estate, consisting of a certain tract of land lying in District No. 22 Rutherford County and State of Tennessee containing eighty seven acres more or less. My said wife Jane G. Brown is to have the personal property to use as she thinks best, that is she to have the right to sell it at any time, but the real estate she is to have only as long as she lives a widow, and at her death or marriage to revert back to my children for an equal distribution (viz) Mary E. Mabry, William Richard Brown, (heir of my son Robert A. Brown dec'd), Joseph T. Brown and Nancy Moore. I also appoint my son son Joseph T. Brown as my executor of this Will, and to be guardian for my grandson William Richard Brown (heir of my son Robert A. Brown dec'd ) It is my will that my executor Joseph T. Brown shall hold William Richard Brown's portion of my estate in his hands until he ( William Richard Brown) becomes of age there to pay it over to him. But, if he should die before he becomes of age then his portion is to revert back to my surviving children for an equal distribution. In witness whereof, I have signed and sealed, and published and declared this instrument as my Will. This May the 14th 1881. Richard Brown seal The said Richard Brown on said 14 th day of May 1881 signed and sealed this instrument, and published and declared this source as for his Last Will. And we at his request, and in his presence, and in the presence of each other, have hereunto written our names as subscribing witnesses. John S. Thompson Jos. R. Thompson W.M. Freeman State of Tennessee : Rutherford County : County Court August term 1881 The forgoing papers writing suporting to be the Last Will and Testament of Richard Brown dec'd was this day presented in open Court for probate and the executor there of was duly proven by the oaths and examination of John S. Thompson and Jos. R. Thompson two of the subscribing witnesses there unto and was ordered to be recorded and filed. Witness my hand at office at Murfreesboro this 1 day of August 1881. W.D. Robison clerk Recorded Sept 12, 1881 Record Book 28 pages 97 and 98 Richard Brown Dec'd The forgoing ia a correct Sale List of the property belonging to the estate of Richard Brown dec'd and sold by me on the 17 th day of Sept. 1881. J. W. Watson 1 cow $12.20 D. Banker ? 1 horse 70.20 Henry Fathers? 1 colt 29.70 Hugh Kegg 1 cow $9.00 less 6 percent 8.00 Cash on hand 60.00 ----- $ 180.20 I certify that the forgoing is a true and correct Sale List of the property sold by me belonging to the estate of Richard Brown dec'd. J. R. Fathers ? Sworn to & subscribed before me this 17 th Oct. 1881 W.D.Robison Recorded Nov.23, 1881 Recorded Record Book 28 page 189 transcribed and copied by: Diane K. Ricks 13 Oct. 2004

>Can someone help this nice lady? Mari >Who do I contact to get the driving directions to a cemetery? I'm looking >for Carnahan Cemetery. > >There is a Carnahan Cemetery located 3/4 of a mile SE of Kittrel School and >near Cripple Creek in a field. 20 or more fieldstone markers. In this >cemetery lies Andrew Carnahan, Rev. War Soldier, b. 7-11-1762, d. 5-9-1839. >Born in Baltimore County, Maryland. This info comes from the "Rutherford >County Tenn.Cemeteries Vol.II, Eastern Third of County, prepared by the >Stones River Chapter, S.A.R. and Rutherford Co. Historical Society in 1975. >This is my 4th G-Grandfather. I know there may be other Carnahan ancestors >of mine buried there also, and Youree family. Who would have driving >directions to this cemetery? I live in Murfreesboro, TN, about 15 miles >from Readyville and about 9 miles from Kittrell. >Thank you, >LuAna Drake Craig

I received a very nice picture from Lascassas School, 1896. Some of the ppl in it are : Mildred Dement, >Ernest Martin, Fannie Wines, Dalton Childress?? not clear, faded, 2nd row >is Mary Cason, Orville Pennel, Mathie Wines and Hall Jarrison I'll post it asap. It's a very good picture. Lascassas is in Rutherford, isn't it? (duh..I get worse every year!) Mari

Melissa, EXACTLY! It was at the top of my list :) Mari At 01:11 PM 10/10/2004, you wrote: >Mari - > >I would only add two things that I think should be included in your >interview to what others have already given as advice. > >First, for someone just starting genealogy, sit down (or get on the phone) >and talk to all your oldest living relatives. While their "facts" can be a >little off, the information you can get from them is invaluable as clues >when >you start to look for places and "the real facts" to document. Their >memories, even diluted by time and emotions, can put you on the trail to >finding >things you might otherwise miss. Also, only they can give you the >'stories' >about some of those long-ago relatives that makes the whole endeavor more >special. I could kick myself now for the opportunities I passed up >earlier in life >to ask questions of people who are no longer with us. > >Second, share what your find with your children. I've learned more about >history -- and enjoyed it more --- since I started hunting my family that I >ever did in all my years of schooling. Being able to connect family to >events >in history has made it easier for my sons to understand and remember >history, >as well as giving them an interest in family. > >Melissa Mayhue >Colorado > > >==== TNRUTHER Mailing List ==== >Welcome to TNRUTHER-L >To unsubscribe send a message to [email protected] >and put UNSUBSCRIBE in the subject line.

Thank you so much, Thelma. I will and I thank you :) Mari At 08:40 AM 10/10/2004, you wrote: >Mari, > >1) I would send someone who is looking for their ancestors for the first time >to the nearest Family History Center and/or to any other library with a >genealogy collection. I would suggest that they get online and type the word >genealogy or even the misspelled word geneology into their browser window >and start >looking for free "how to" information. I would suggest that they get >involved with their local historical or genealogical society and ask a lot of >questions. I would also point them toward online discussion groups and >surname query >boards in order to connect with people who share their interest. > >2) Genealogy is the essential core of any family's history. We must document >accurate names and facts in order to tell the true story of our ancestors. >When we compile an accurate list of facts on a timeline, a story begins to >emerge. Pictures, family lore, and history of the times all add to the story. > >3) Ancestry.com and other commercial sites have made a lot of information >available. Any beginner should browse these sites for their free >offerings and >then decide for themselves if the paid portion is worth the cost to them. I >know that free is good, and certainly would encourage new researchers to >find and >use as many free resources as possible including trial memberships in >commercial sites. > >Thelma > >In a message dated 10/10/04 2:02:38 AM Central Daylight Time, >[email protected] writes: >I need HELP! A reporter from the Tennessean called me to see if she could >interview me about genealogy Monday. Of course, I told her only if it wasn't >during the Titans game. I've got to answer stuff like this: >1. Where would you send someone who was looking for their ancestors for the >first time? >2. What is genealogy? >3. What about Ancestry.com? (?) RHETT...Where are you!!!!!! >This will be in the Rutherford AM and I REALLY wish they'd called sooner! >Teresa, Marie, Marty and Ed....HELP! (and anyone else!) >Thanks yall, >Mari > > >==== TNRUTHER Mailing List ==== >For cemetery records of Rutherford County, TN check out Teresa Elliott's >page at www.rutherfordcemeteries.home-page.org or Kim Denny's page at >http://www.kimshockey.com/cem/rutherford.html

My brother-in-law interviewed his grandmothers and a brother and a sister of his grandfathers, who were already dead, about 1965. He gained all the information about their families and their lives that he could but he asked one question which has brought me hours and hours of fun and genealogical productivity. He made a list, with their help, of people they had heard they were kin to--called "Aunt," "Uncle," "Cousin"--but did not know how they were kin. I'm still working on a few, but I have found so much that I would never have latched onto without that little start. Carolyn

Mari - I would only add two things that I think should be included in your interview to what others have already given as advice. First, for someone just starting genealogy, sit down (or get on the phone) and talk to all your oldest living relatives. While their "facts" can be a little off, the information you can get from them is invaluable as clues when you start to look for places and "the real facts" to document. Their memories, even diluted by time and emotions, can put you on the trail to finding things you might otherwise miss. Also, only they can give you the 'stories' about some of those long-ago relatives that makes the whole endeavor more special. I could kick myself now for the opportunities I passed up earlier in life to ask questions of people who are no longer with us. Second, share what your find with your children. I've learned more about history -- and enjoyed it more --- since I started hunting my family that I ever did in all my years of schooling. Being able to connect family to events in history has made it easier for my sons to understand and remember history, as well as giving them an interest in family. Melissa Mayhue Colorado

Mari, 1) I would send someone who is looking for their ancestors for the first time to the nearest Family History Center and/or to any other library with a genealogy collection. I would suggest that they get online and type the word genealogy or even the misspelled word geneology into their browser window and start looking for free "how to" information. I would suggest that they get involved with their local historical or genealogical society and ask a lot of questions. I would also point them toward online discussion groups and surname query boards in order to connect with people who share their interest. 2) Genealogy is the essential core of any family's history. We must document accurate names and facts in order to tell the true story of our ancestors. When we compile an accurate list of facts on a timeline, a story begins to emerge. Pictures, family lore, and history of the times all add to the story. 3) Ancestry.com and other commercial sites have made a lot of information available. Any beginner should browse these sites for their free offerings and then decide for themselves if the paid portion is worth the cost to them. I know that free is good, and certainly would encourage new researchers to find and use as many free resources as possible including trial memberships in commercial sites. Thelma In a message dated 10/10/04 2:02:38 AM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I need HELP! A reporter from the Tennessean called me to see if she could interview me about genealogy Monday. Of course, I told her only if it wasn't during the Titans game. I've got to answer stuff like this: 1. Where would you send someone who was looking for their ancestors for the first time? 2. What is genealogy? 3. What about Ancestry.com? (?) RHETT...Where are you!!!!!! This will be in the Rutherford AM and I REALLY wish they'd called sooner! Teresa, Marie, Marty and Ed....HELP! (and anyone else!) Thanks yall, Mari

Sent you something from World Book on Genealogy, hope you got it.

Mary, For first time users, here locally, I send them to the Huntsville Public Library. Our library has all the census records for AL, TN, and several other states, plus thousands of books on genealogy. Does Murfreesboro have a repository like that? I am not that big a fan of Ancestry.com, but I know others that are. Maybe that's because I can view the census records for free locally, and they don't have much else to help me in my research. I do prefer to rent films from my local FHL and research there, but that's really for a more advanced genealogist. Also don't forget TSLA. All the county records available in ONE room is an incredible source for any genealogist. Especially if like my family, your family tended to live on the county line, and tended to go to which ever courthouse was in the direction they were headed that day. <G> The discussion of Genealogy is one that comes up frequently on the TMG-L list. (The Master Genealogist) Some people believe it is STRICKLY bloodlines. Other's argue it should include adopted children, and other's still think it should include step-children. And there is still another group that want's to add in same sex relationships where chidren are involved. I think that has to do with how one views family. Since I am an Adopted Child of God, approved and welcome to all the benefits of Heaven, I tend to think that adopted children here on earth should be considered descendants just like the biological children of the family. Step-children tend to have relationships with their biological parents, so I don't include them in the genealogy. They are mentioned as step-children. That's as far as I go. I just think it's personal opinion. <G> Teresa Ghee Elliott I'm getting organized this year. Join me in August. For Rutherford County TN Cemeteries www.Rutherfordcemeteries.home-page.org For TMG sentences <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rutherfordcemetery/TMG.html> -----Original Message----- From: Mari Byers [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 2:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [TNRUTHER] HELP.. I need HELP! A reporter from the Tennessean called me to see if she could interview me about genealogy Monday. Of course, I told her only if it wasn't during the Titans game. I've got to answer stuff like this: 1. Where would you send someone who was looking for their ancestors for the first time? 2. What is genealogy? 3. What about Ancestry.com? (?) RHETT...Where are you!!!!!! This will be in the Rutherford AM and I REALLY wish they'd called sooner! Teresa, Marie, Marty and Ed....HELP! (and anyone else!) Thanks yall, Mari ==== TNRUTHER Mailing List ==== Smyrna Public Library 400 Enon Springs Road West, Smyrna, TN 37167 (615) 459-4884

I need HELP! A reporter from the Tennessean called me to see if she could interview me about genealogy Monday. Of course, I told her only if it wasn't during the Titans game. I've got to answer stuff like this: 1. Where would you send someone who was looking for their ancestors for the first time? 2. What is genealogy? 3. What about Ancestry.com? (?) RHETT...Where are you!!!!!! This will be in the Rutherford AM and I REALLY wish they'd called sooner! Teresa, Marie, Marty and Ed....HELP! (and anyone else!) Thanks yall, Mari

Yep, our own Marty Smotherman Mendez, has published a booklet on that very subject. It's also on our Rutherford TNGenWeb page. http://www.tngenweb.org/rutherford Go to the Special Projects and you'll see it. Marty worked so hard on this. Mari his At 10:32 PM 10/7/2004, you wrote: >Are there any links to rutherford Co marriage records >from the 1800's? >I'm looking for information on a W Carter who is >listed in the 1860 census as living with a Phillips >family who were blacksmiths in the Jefferson area. >Perhaps there is a marriage record for this W Carter >who may have also used the name Wiley Carter or James >Carter and may have married in the 1860 to 1861 time >frame. Any help appreciated. >Thanks. >Jim Carter > > > >_______________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! >http://vote.yahoo.com > > >==== TNRUTHER Mailing List ==== >Smyrna Public Library >400 Enon Springs Road West, Smyrna, TN 37167 >(615) 459-4884

Jim---I have a James Wilson CARTER who was a blacksmith in the Smyrna/Jefferson area around 1900 or so--don't think he could be the one you show in the 1860 census, but....ya never know. Glad to share what I have--drop me a note directly. Ed Waller > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > marriage records > From: > jim carter <[email protected]> > Date: > Thu, 7 Oct 2004 20:32:27 -0700 (PDT) > To: > [email protected] > > >Are there any links to rutherford Co marriage records >from the 1800's? >I'm looking for information on a W Carter who is >listed in the 1860 census as living with a Phillips >family who were blacksmiths in the Jefferson area. >Perhaps there is a marriage record for this W Carter >who may have also used the name Wiley Carter or James >Carter and may have married in the 1860 to 1861 time >frame. Any help appreciated. >Thanks. >Jim Carter > >

At 10:32 PM 10/7/2004, you wrote: >Are there any links to rutherford Co marriage records >from the 1800's? >I'm looking for information on a W Carter who is >listed in the 1860 census as living with a Phillips >family who were blacksmiths in the Jefferson area. >Perhaps there is a marriage record for this W Carter >who may have also used the name Wiley Carter or James >Carter and may have married in the 1860 to 1861 time >frame. Any help appreciated. >Thanks. >Jim Carter On the Rutherford Co. TNGenWeb page there is a link to the marriages which they have online at http://www.tngenweb.org/rutherford/marr.htm Hope this helps --Marie B http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rmbeckman/USA/TN/rutherford.html http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/board/rw/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.counties.rutherford (note 2 line url--you will probably need to copy & paste url into your browser's address bar)

Are there any links to rutherford Co marriage records from the 1800's? I'm looking for information on a W Carter who is listed in the 1860 census as living with a Phillips family who were blacksmiths in the Jefferson area. Perhaps there is a marriage record for this W Carter who may have also used the name Wiley Carter or James Carter and may have married in the 1860 to 1861 time frame. Any help appreciated. Thanks. Jim Carter _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com

This is NOT Spam! Incredible! Goodspeed did it in 1886 and 1887, now comes a modern version of the same theme! A friend intercepted a post about a new project being launched in Giles County, Tenn. We understand it is really big! Another in the 40+ Tennessee County Heritage series which has been published during the past 20 years in our state! (mostly East and Middle Tenn.) These are beautiful collector's edition books, which feature family stories, genealogies and pictures! Proceeds benefit local genealogy and history projects within the county(ies)! Here's the intercepted post: ----------------------------------------------------- Have you heard? We're launching a new book entitled: Giles County, TN Heritage-2005 Just like Coffee, Grundy, Lincoln, Moore and Warren Counties, Tenn., the Giles County book will be bursting with family stories, genealogies and pictures! Also included will be stories of Giles County communities,churches clubs, organizations and military history. Our first meeting is set for Tuesday, Oct. 5th, 6:30 PM at the Comfort Inn, 1140 W. College St., Pulaski. Until our website is complete, you may direct questions to; [email protected] See you on Oct. 5th, 6:30 PM! ------------------------------------------------------ There you have it! Don't miss this chance to be a part of Middle Tennessee County Heritage and History! P.P. Bailey, Jr. _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!