The 1880 census I have lists the John H. Short family we've been discussing: 1880 Census, Rockwood, Roane County, Tennessee, page 390C: John Short, Self, M, M, W, 35, Engineer, TN, TN, TN. Rhoda Short, Wife, F, M, W, 36, Keeping House, TN, TN, TN. George Short, Son, M, S, W, 13, At Home, TN, TN, TN. Fredric Short, Son, M, S, W, 3, At Home, TN, TN, TN. I have no record of Fredric after this. Also, the obituary for George Short above states: George W. Short was born 13 August 1867 in Tennessee, and died 04 October 1937 in Johnston, PA. Buried in Oakwood Cemetery, Sharon, Mercer County, PA. Survived by: three daughters: Mrs. B. D. Kiningham, Danville, Ill.., Mrs. Isaac Barnes, Chattanooga, Tenn., and Mrs. P. Martin Kleindienst, Granite City, Ill.; and one son, G. W. Short, Jr.; a step-son, Clavin Clark,, Phoenix, Ariz.; and one sister, Mrs. L. L. Lyell of Tennessee. The Kleindienst listed is my grandmother, but I have no record of George's sister, the "Mrs. L. L. Lyell of Tennessee" (I wish the early 1900's were enlightened enough to list the woman's name and not her husband's :)). This sister was either born later tha1 1880, which is a possibility, based on Frederic's age, or Frederic might actually be a girl (Frederica?) and the census guy botched it. I thought I saw a post that said 1890 is not available, but might 1900 have anything? John H. would only have been 55 in 1900 and should have been living either at home, or with neighboring family (if still alive, of course). Can't find George in 1900 census in PA (he moved here in 1889), but have him in 1910, 1920 and 1930. His parents were not living with him in 1910. So, they were either both dead, living with the sister, another relative or in their own home. But, I can't track this family from 1880 until I pick up George in 1910. Any hints? Thanks in advance!! Eric