I humbly suggest that, even more important than the symbols and mottos of our country, is the Constitution it was founded on. Its defenders also have a website and a petition. http://www.petitiononline.com/sabene/petition.html I'm sorry for being off topic. --Alison Clement On Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 07:22 PM, Gloria & Bruce Wilson wrote: > > WePledge.com is trying to secure ten million signatures for the > Constitutional Amendment to save the Pledge of Allegiance and our > National Motto. This would be the most people to sign a petition in > history! Help save our Pledge of Allegiance and National Motto! Please > sign the petition and forward it on to others. To sign the petition and > for more information, go to www.wepledge.com. > > As of 9:00 p.m. tonight (Tuesday, March 4, 2003) there were 1.5 million > signatures. > > > > ==== TNROANE Mailing List ==== > Post surnames in capital letters so they are easy to find. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

WePledge.com is trying to secure ten million signatures for the Constitutional Amendment to save the Pledge of Allegiance and our National Motto. This would be the most people to sign a petition in history! Help save our Pledge of Allegiance and National Motto! Please sign the petition and forward it on to others. To sign the petition and for more information, go to www.wepledge.com. As of 9:00 p.m. tonight (Tuesday, March 4, 2003) there were 1.5 million signatures.

geez, you know that song "I'm my own grandpa...."? CT

Pat; You have got to be kidding! Betty Reed ----- Original Message ----- From: "P McDonald" <mmcdonald3@houston.rr.com> To: <TNROANE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 12:45 AM Subject: [TNROANE] Rainy Day Puzzle > JOHN SILVEY m. Rhoda Cunningham in 1820 Roane, and they had William Silvey > (b ca 1821) who married (1843) Angeline NELSON (b ca 1826) > > Rhoda died and John Silvey married secondly in 1839, Mary NELSON (b ca > 1822). Both daughters of John E. Nelson. > > So, at the approximate age of 21, Mary Nelson Silvey became step > mother-in-law to her sister, Angeline. William Silvey was her stepson AND > brother-in-law. > > The children of William and Angeline Nelson Silvey were nieces/nephews of > their step-grandmother (Mary). Wonder what they called her? > > The children of Mary Nelson Silvey were half-siblings to the children of > Rhoda C. Silvey, except William was also uncle by marriage. > > John E. Nelson, father of Angeline and Mary, was father-in-law to John > Silvey AND his son, William Silvey. > > John Nelson was grandfather to the children of John Silvey and Mary Nelson, > and the children of William Silvey and Angeline Nelson-but not the other > children of John & Rhoda. (step-grandfather?) > > Chapter II > John Silvey is thought to be the son of William Silvey, Sr. and first wife, > unknown. > > Rhoda Cunningham is said to be daughter of Valentine Cunningham and his > first wife. Valentine Cunningham married secondly to Frances Lahton > (widow). After his death, it appears Frances Lahton Cunningham married > William Silvey Sr. in 1839. > > At this point, Frances' step-daughter, Rhoda is surely deceased. But > Frances would be step mother to John Silvey, and I suppose, step-grandmother > to all his children-both by Rhoda and Mary. If there could be such a thing, > Frances would be double step-mother to the children of John and Rhoda. > (sorta) > > William Silvey, Sr. then became father or grandfather to the whole clan, > plus he was father in-law to Mary Nelson, and grandfather-in-law to her > sister. And he was step-father to the children of Frances and Valentine > Cunningham. > > Chapter III > Valentine Cunningham and Frances had: > Lucinda Cunningham married John DAVIS. Cynthia Cunningham married Nathan > DAVIS. Children of James Davis. Another child of James Davis was Polly Ann > DAVIS who married Franklin B. NELSON, brother to Mary and Angeline. > > Franklin B. Nelson would be brother-in-law to John Silvey, John Davis and > Nathan Davis. Their mother-in-law was Frances L. Cunningham Silvey. After > her marriage, William Silvey Sr. was their step-father-in-law too. (Wm. Sr. > died before 1850) > > The Cunningham girls, above, were half-sisters to Rhoda Silvey. They would > be sisters-in-law to Franklin Nelson, but not to Mary and Angeline. > > I can't figure all the relationships from there, but it gets into > half-niece/nephew, etc. And I may have this wrong. My head hurts. Thank > God for genealogy software! > > PatMcDonald >

I am trying to find information on a relative who died April 8th 1938 in College GroveTenn. Emma Barnes. I have an obit that was published in her hometown of Council Bluffs, Iowa however she died at the home of a nephew in Collge Grove, Tenn. . I see there are 2 counties for College Grove, Tenn Roane/Williamson? Would anyone know how to decipher? I am looking for her nephews family...his name was LEON last name: Debrohn/Debruhun/Debrohum many different spellings... Leon died a few years earlier than his aunt Emma.. so he would have died somewhere between 1935-etc Thank You Tami L Murphy Cove, OR

JOHN SILVEY m. Rhoda Cunningham in 1820 Roane, and they had William Silvey (b ca 1821) who married (1843) Angeline NELSON (b ca 1826) Rhoda died and John Silvey married secondly in 1839, Mary NELSON (b ca 1822). Both daughters of John E. Nelson. So, at the approximate age of 21, Mary Nelson Silvey became step mother-in-law to her sister, Angeline. William Silvey was her stepson AND brother-in-law. The children of William and Angeline Nelson Silvey were nieces/nephews of their step-grandmother (Mary). Wonder what they called her? The children of Mary Nelson Silvey were half-siblings to the children of Rhoda C. Silvey, except William was also uncle by marriage. John E. Nelson, father of Angeline and Mary, was father-in-law to John Silvey AND his son, William Silvey. John Nelson was grandfather to the children of John Silvey and Mary Nelson, and the children of William Silvey and Angeline Nelson-but not the other children of John & Rhoda. (step-grandfather?) Chapter II John Silvey is thought to be the son of William Silvey, Sr. and first wife, unknown. Rhoda Cunningham is said to be daughter of Valentine Cunningham and his first wife. Valentine Cunningham married secondly to Frances Lahton (widow). After his death, it appears Frances Lahton Cunningham married William Silvey Sr. in 1839. At this point, Frances' step-daughter, Rhoda is surely deceased. But Frances would be step mother to John Silvey, and I suppose, step-grandmother to all his children-both by Rhoda and Mary. If there could be such a thing, Frances would be double step-mother to the children of John and Rhoda. (sorta) William Silvey, Sr. then became father or grandfather to the whole clan, plus he was father in-law to Mary Nelson, and grandfather-in-law to her sister. And he was step-father to the children of Frances and Valentine Cunningham. Chapter III Valentine Cunningham and Frances had: Lucinda Cunningham married John DAVIS. Cynthia Cunningham married Nathan DAVIS. Children of James Davis. Another child of James Davis was Polly Ann DAVIS who married Franklin B. NELSON, brother to Mary and Angeline. Franklin B. Nelson would be brother-in-law to John Silvey, John Davis and Nathan Davis. Their mother-in-law was Frances L. Cunningham Silvey. After her marriage, William Silvey Sr. was their step-father-in-law too. (Wm. Sr. died before 1850) The Cunningham girls, above, were half-sisters to Rhoda Silvey. They would be sisters-in-law to Franklin Nelson, but not to Mary and Angeline. I can't figure all the relationships from there, but it gets into half-niece/nephew, etc. And I may have this wrong. My head hurts. Thank God for genealogy software! PatMcDonald

I am trying to find out who these McDaniel sisters married and if they stayed in Roane Co. They are Mary Lucinda born abt. 1870, Nettie Jane born abt. 1882, Virdie Ann born abt. 1885, and Laura Della born abt 1888. Also is the Robinson's Jewelry store still in Harriman and who ownes it. Thanks Connie

Is James a descendant of Obediah and Nancy (Fuller) Mathis/Mathews, etc., ? Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eldon Wade" <ewade@cfl.rr.com> To: <TNROANE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 6:37 PM Subject: [TNROANE] Roane Co marriage lookup. > If anyone has an index of the Roane Co marriages from 1860 to 1880 I would > appreciate a lookup. > I am looking for a marriage record for a James C. or John C. MATTHEWS. This > surname is also spelled MATHIS/MATHEWS/MATHEUS. Family records suggest he > was married twice. > Thank you. > > Eldon > mailto:ewade@cfl.rr.com > List admin for SC-Old96 > Researching: WADE, HAMES > > > > > ==== TNROANE Mailing List ==== > Post surnames in capital letters so they are easy to find. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

A new web site is up for Fort Southwest Point which is very attractive and informative. http://www.southwestpoint.com/ Pat McDonald

If anyone has an index of the Roane Co marriages from 1860 to 1880 I would appreciate a lookup. I am looking for a marriage record for a James C. or John C. MATTHEWS. This surname is also spelled MATHIS/MATHEWS/MATHEUS. Family records suggest he was married twice. Thank you. Eldon mailto:ewade@cfl.rr.com List admin for SC-Old96 Researching: WADE, HAMES

Thank you very much for the help. Eldon mailto:ewade@cfl.rr.com List admin for SC-Old96 Researching: WADE, HAMES -----Original Message----- From: MPiros1120@aol.com [mailto:MPiros1120@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 3:11 PM To: TNROANE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TNROANE] 1870 Roane/Meigs Co census lookup request. Eldon, 1870 Roane Co Dist 9 100-97 MATHAS C.J. 23 M W farmer $100 Tn 101-98 MATHEUS Talt M 59 M W farmer N.C. Rhoeda 56 F W keeping house N.C. EVANS DORCAS 80 F W retired TN (no mention of relationship There are 2 more James 83-78 Dist 4 MATHIS Jas 38 M W farmer $4200-$1000 TN Catherine 41 F W keeping house TN H.A. 13 F W TN Helna 3 F W TN O.O. 1 M W TN 30-29 Dist 15 in the household of CLUFF Robert was a MATHES JAS 15 M W farm laborer TN ==== TNROANE Mailing List ==== J. Daniel, List administrator Any problems please contact me at jad@sbcglobal.net ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Eldon, 1870 Roane Co Dist 9 100-97 MATHAS C.J. 23 M W farmer $100 Tn 101-98 MATHEUS Talt M 59 M W farmer N.C. Rhoeda 56 F W keeping house N.C. EVANS DORCAS 80 F W retired TN (no mention of relationship There are 2 more James 83-78 Dist 4 MATHIS Jas 38 M W farmer $4200-$1000 TN Catherine 41 F W keeping house TN H.A. 13 F W TN Helna 3 F W TN O.O. 1 M W TN 30-29 Dist 15 in the household of CLUFF Robert was a MATHES JAS 15 M W farm laborer TN

I would appreciate help finding a James C. MATTHEWS or a John C. MATTHEWS on the 1870 census. I am trying to verify his given name. In 1850 he is John C. and in 1880 he James C. He is on the 1850 Roane Co as a 10 year old living with his parents Talton and Rhoda MATTHEWS. On the 1880 Meigs Co census he is 36 years old living next to his parents. The right James C. or John C. would have a dau. named Harriet abt. 3 years old in 1870. This surname is often spelled MATHIS, MATHEWS, etc. Your assistance would be appreciated. Eldon mailto:ewade@cfl.rr.com List admin for SC-Old96 Researching: WADE, HAMES

Does anyone know anything about the Toler family living in Kingston in the early 1800's. My ancestor John was there and volunteered during the War of 1812. He was under the command of Captain William White. He was born in North Carolina abt. 1796. Anything would be very much appreciated. Thanks so much. Christine.

I am looking for any information on the surname GOUGE. My GOUGE family was in Rhea Co. on the 1808 tax list and Rhea county was formed from Roane county. I think they might have some early records in Roane. Our Sarah Gouge married James W. Mckinney around 1809. They were living in Campbell Co. TN after they were married but no marriage records are there. The Gouge family had William, James, and Martin that were in Rhea Co. Thank you. Wilma McKinney

I would appreciate help finding some record of the death of a Talton MATHIS. This surname is also spelled MATTHEWS, MATHEWS, MATHIAS, MATHEUS, etc. My last record of him is the 1880 Meigs Co census where he is 78 years old living with his wife Rhoda. Are there will/probate or mortality schedules for the 1880s for Meigs or Roane Co? I have been told that where he lived in 1880 Meigs Co was very close to the Roane Co line. Thank you, Eldon mailto:ewade@cfl.rr.com List admin for SC-Old96 Researching: WADE, HAMES

Still working on my husbands HASTINGS of Red River Co TX. My husbands maternal grandfather was: Paul Twyman HASTINGS b. 22 Dec 1907 Bagwell TX. He was son of Benjamin Franklin HASTINGS and Sarah Alice ROBERTSON. Benjamin Franklin HASTINGS is son of Joseph HASTINGS b.ca.1851 Maury Co., TN and Joseph's father was said to have been killed or died enroute from TN to TX on wagon train. I am looking for record of him so i can know his name-maybe a birth record of his Joseph or Joseph's bro William b.ca.1845 Maury Co., TN (if any) would show parents names. Paul Twyman m. Mable Juanita BURRIS. They m.1926 in Antlers, Pushmataha Co., OK. They lived and had 3 dtrs there. Sybil, Billie Fay, and Edith. Edith was my husband's mom. Paul and Mable however were divorced in 1945 in AZ. Happy Trails, J in rural MT *_~ Also, visit my 4 personal home pages on spirituality and genealogy: http://www.geocities.com/crystalwoman_2000/roots.html crystalwoman@montana.com

Frances, Thanks for sharing your neighbor's memories of Eagle Furnace. I have since discovered a newspaper article from the 1920s on the Roane County Heritage Commission website that stated the Eagle Furnace was built around 1841-42 by Robert CRAVENS, a nephew of the George GORDON we were speaking of earlier. That article, by the way, can be found at: http://www.roanetnheritage.com/research/historical%20articles/mcelwee/12.htm Again, thanks for the info! Ken Parks

  The last road turning left off of Hwy. #27 south of Rockwood,  just before the Whites Creek Bridge is Eagle Furnace Road.  Back on it is the area called Eagle Furnace and where the old iron works once stood.  My neighbor (b 1902 d 2002) told me her greatgrandfather  was a teamster for the furnace.  He hauled pig iron from Eagle Furnace to Nashville in a wagon with a six horse team. It took six weeks to make the round trip.  Pig iron was the load to Nashville and supplies were brought back on the return trip. The route to Nashville was across the mountain where Hwy #70 is now located .  Much of the area where the Eagle Furnace stood is covered by Watts Bar Lake. Eagle Furnace is in the 5th district of Roane Co. which is the old 12th district, and was just across Whites Creek from Rhea Co. My neighbor mentioned nothing about the name of the owner or operator of Eagle Furnace. She might not have known his name, or it just didn't enter into her story. Frances Roane Co. TN

Eric, Here is what little I can add to your research of your SHORT family. Hope it will be of some help. Ken Parks 1830 Roane Co. TN census: (National Archives microfilm M19 roll 180 written page 2) [Note: This is the only SHORT family in Rhea or Roane Co. TN in the 1830 census.] SHORT, Willis 04-01001 (4 males 5-10 yr, 1 female 5-10, 1 female 20-30) [Note: printed census index lists the above numbers--a viewing of the actual microfilm image shows part of this page torn and missing, including the part of the page where Willis would appear, i.e. the 30-40 yr category, so the actual census would most likely read: 040001-01001] 1840 Rhea Co. TN census: (National Archives microfilm M704 roll 535 printed page 42) SHORT, Geo. W. 20001-00001 (2 males under 5yr, 1 male 20-30, 1 female 20-30) George W. SHORT married Eliza PARKS 11 Aug 1836 Rhea Co. TN, A.G. Wright, J.P. (Marriages of Rhea County, Tennessee 1808-1859, compiled by Edythe Rucker Whitley, Baltimore: 1983 (Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.) p 31 In the 1850 Rhea Co. census: (National Archives microfilm # M432 roll 893, written page 543, printed page 272, dwelling & family 66) 1st Civil District SHORT, George W. 35, Eliza 27, Robert P. 10, Miller E. 9, Nancy R. 6, JOHN H. 4, George G. 2, Joseph A. 2/12, Joseph PARKS 1--all born in TN, occupation of George W.: tanner [Note: 1st Civil District in Rhea Co. was the northernmost district adjoining the southern boundary of Roane Co.] Eliza PARKS (c1818-aft 1880) was a daughter of Robert PARKS (c1780-aft 1850) & Nancy EASLEY (6 May 1783-19 Dec 1847-buried in Bean Cemetery, Rhea Co.). This family is found in records of both Rhea & Roane Cos. at various times, as they lived in the area near Whites Creek, which forms the border of Rhea & Roane Cos. 1860 Roane Co. TN census: You have this information from Pat McDonald, I believe. One note: George W. SHORT family 1664-1538 is found in the 12th Civil District, not the 14th. (National Archives microfilm M653 roll 1269, written page 219, printed page 211, dwelling 1664 family 1538) [Sidenote on this: P.O. listed on this page is Eagle Furnace. Rebecca PARKS, older sister of Eliza (PARKS) SHORT married a much older George GORDON in 1839. George GORDON established the Eagle Furnace, the first ironworks, I believe, in Roane Co.] 1870 Roane Co. census: You have this information (John SHORT household) also from Pat McDonald. 1880 Roane Co. TN census: [Note: These three families are living adjacent to each other. This would be Geo. W. & Eliza, parents of JOHN H. SHORT, and two of his brothers, George G. & James P. SHORT] Census Place: District 12, Roane, Tennessee Source: National Archives Film T9-1275 Page 367A Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace George G. SHORT Self M M W 32 TN Occ: Farmer Fa: TN Mo: TN Ella SHORT Wife F M W 23 TN Occ: Keeping House Fa: TN Mo: TN Cordela SHORT Dau F S W 5 TN Fa: TN Mo: TN L. J. SHORT Dau F S W 3 TN Fa: TN Mo: TN Eliza R. SHORT Dau F S W 1 TN Fa: TN Mo: TN Laure STEPHENS Niece F S W 12 TN Fa: ENG Mo: TN Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace James P. SHORT Self M M W 20 TN Occ: Farmer Fa: TN Mo: TN Ellin SHORT Wife F M W 23 TN Occ: Keeping House Fa: TN Mo: TN Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace George W. SHORT Self M M W 63 TN Occ: Farmer Fa: TN Mo: TN Eliza SHORT Wife F M W 62 TN Occ: Keeping House Fa: TN Mo: TN