> To: "James Shivers" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > > > > > Hello James, > > It sounds like you laid 2 cents down but want change for a dollar! > > If you really ment what you said you should have put a link to your site > > where all can go and see if any of our family lines are there. If so, most > > reseachers don't mind shareing with those that share with them as you > would > > be doing with your site. Also if there was some MISTAKES in your research > it > > could be fixed if family found it first. > > To share your research with family is what family dose. Me I don't care > > about collecting a million names and I am not in a race to trace my family > > back to B.C. times. Research is a hobby and I have learnt to enjoy doing > it > > and not let people no matter who they are spoil it. I am collecting family > > pictures and documents as we lost everything in a fire. By age 45 I had > lost > > all 2 husbands, all granparents,both parents,all aunts and all uncles, not > > least sister and neice and such. Research was a way to try and get back > some > > history and pictures for me and my family. There is only 3 of us older > ones > > left that knows any history on my family as the others are in the 20s or > > younger. Of those 3 one has had heart sugery and 3 heart attacks and 1 is > > fighting cancer. > > Most of us do research as a hobby but some of us also have a reason. > > You just sound like life has made you bitter and better. > > EVERYONE SAY A BIG PRAYER FOR JAMES !!! If anyone needs one you do. > > Barbara > > [email protected] > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "James Shivers" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 1:57 AM > > Subject: [WILLIAMS] Sources & Profitology & Copyrights & Who Cares > > > > > > > Wow, sounds like your still talking about me.. Can I please lay 2 cents > > on > > > the table. > > > > > > Many have called me a name and list collector, garbage genealogy > creator, > > > hmm maybe even some of you that are wimpering with huge brickwalls holdi > ng > > > your research up saying someone posted your information against your > will. > > > > > > You know, i sit here and database every query frm these mailing lists > into > > a > > > central database, if you ever posted your grandmothers name in a book, > > > article, mailing list, etc, i use your information because it is "FAIR > > > GAME". My source is your bigmouth and I use it as a "CLUE" and go > > research > > > those documents myself. > > > > > > Well, my story is different and driven by having to work around stingy > > > researchers who are more interested in selling their book of fabulous > > > information and endless footnotes and still never even a single image of > > any > > > of these documents that they call proof are ever produced in these > books. > > > What good is your information to me unless you mail me a folder full of > > > birth,death,marriage,census, will,probate, bibles images to back even > your > > > work up because footnotes are not proof they are clues. > > > > > > I have spent my time chasing footnotes and find even the footnotes are > > > generated and unable to be proven after driving to the footnote location > > and > > > pulling the very book mentioned, or searching for a Will mentioned that > > > never existed. I already purchased beautiful family histories about my > > > family that seem to not include me, or anyone seven generations back > that > > > connected to me. But what they did was to add a child here and there > that > > > was unable to be proven, call it died young, and the truth was this was > > > never their child, it was a guardian child and so this history is > > incorrect. > > > Then they usually are the one's that come along when you build your line > > and > > > run into them and "THEY BECOME THE EXPERT" over your undocumented family > > and > > > even threaten you if you show your family connected "Proof or Not". > > > > > > Well on GEDFILES.... Throw them all away. If you do not want your > > > information harvested then never create and share gedfiles. Then your > > family > > > can be ALL YOUR OWN and nobody else can have your family NOR WANT IT. > > > > > > > > > I encourage everyone to stop into my rebuilt website and notice how I > have > > > now revamped my site. Yes I have "HARVESTED" 300 gedfiles, Oh and I have > > > over 400,000 census images, oh I also have 260Gigs of probate , wills , > > > military , deeds , bibles , books , Images etc all online also. My 13 > name > > > database now has over 4900 connected and over half 100% documented out > of > > a > > > total of 20,000 names. That means I am 1/8 finished. You have no right > to > > > critique a project only 1/8 complete when your footnotes show up in my > > work. > > > You did not provide the real document and thats what I do, and I ALSO > > OFFER > > > THOSE TO THE PUBLIC so that when people grab my data, they also get the > > > documents that create that data but they will have to manually retype > > > everything they get. I do not provide GEDFILES anylonger. > > > A nice family friend used my master 20000 name gedfile which was private > > > also and placed it on the web 8 times. Currently those files still exist > > and > > > I am unable to cleanse them, remove them or do anything about it BUT > THEY > > > SHOW MY NAME IN THEM. My Website is my only current valid location for > my > > > research and I do not answer emails about GEDFILES placed on the WEB in > my > > > name and only answer emails about information on my Website. > > > > > > If I feel your family connects to mine and I choose to document your > > family, > > > you should help and offer "REAL PROOF" and not footnotes or source > lines. > > I > > > do not want to drive 800 miles when you already have the document in a > > > footlocker. But if all I get is footnotes and source lines or I > "EXTRACT" > > a > > > tree from a 150yr old diary, i may not have complete data, but this is > the > > > first time any of these names have ever been brought out in the > limelight > > > anyway. At the top of that leg you will find where I built that record > > from > > > but maybe not where I add that particular nickname from. Oh, yes I also > > have > > > the diary online images of everypage or at least a transcription and > have > > a > > > lead on obtaining images of the real diary. I use these skeleton tree's > of > > > Diary information to build the REAL TREE of DOCUMENTS from and continue > on > > > until I can finish that record 100%. This would be information you do > not > > > have because you borrowed footnotes along your research and never > stopped > > to > > > get the real image to go back and read for clues. > > > > > > Off the SoapBox and I really do not mean to offend anyone, but I am so > mad > > > at genealogists and their profit schedule and expert opinion's about > > family > > > they really have no clues only footnotes about. I HAVE THE DOCUMENTS and > > the > > > project is only 1/8 finished so it may not be in a format you approve of > > and > > > "Who Cares" except me. I always eventually see my information on other > > > professional websites so you seem to have a one-sided attitude about > > > information sharing when it affects your family and your bottom-line. > > > My project is my project and you either help or get the heck out of the > > way > > > and let me show you how to do real genealogy with real documents.I am > > still > > > new and green and you have created me with lack of help and closed minds > > > about whether there may be additional explanations that discredit your > > proof > > > only with a newer more clearer understanding of ALL the proof. > > > > > > > > > James Shivers > > > Shelby County Tennessee Migrations Coordinator. > > > Documenting Thousands of Families with Real images of real documents. > > > Member of "Not just links - Real Genealogy" > > > http://www.xtremechat.org > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > Currently Documenting the family of "Valerius Williams and Repsey > > Charlotte > > > Shivers" of Shelby County, Tn as of 4:55am Saturday morning. Adding > > stories > > > that would curl even the seasoned researchers "Group Sheets" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== WILLIAMS Mailing List ==== > > > List web page: http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/lists/WILLIAMS.htm > > > Your WILLIAMS listowner - Carol C-H <[email protected]> > > http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ > > > > > >