I do believe the Harps were brothers who operated on the Natchez Trace between Nashville and Natchez. They were robbers and murderers. Finally they were killed by a posse. I was told by an old lady that the Harps were distantly connected to the Harps from around Rickman. I kept my mouth shut on that, but not that the lady has died I might mention it to you only as a hint for your research. Gary D. Norris > From: "Deanna and Glen" <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 14:27:33 -0700 > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [TNOVERTO] Williams > Resent-From: [email protected] > Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 14:17:14 -0700 > > Hi Gary, > Some years ago I had read a historical fiction book which mentioned them. > Then a few weeks ago I went to a book on line that had a lot of a woman's > ancestors. One of the lines was Earp/Harp and near the end of that section > was information gathered about those men. Apparently they operated during > the Rev. War and around Nashville TN and other places. As far as I could > tell with dates, etc. they were not connected to the ones that settled in > Overton Co. > I am interested in what you know about these men. > Deanna > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Norris, Gary [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:31 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: [TNOVERTO] Williams >> >> >> Deanna, >> >> Do you know the tales about the Big Harp and Little Harp? >> >> Gary D. Norris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Deanna and Glen [SMTP:[email protected]] >> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:35 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: [TNOVERTO] Williams >> >> Hi, >> Thank you for your reply. Yes, this may be the same Samson Williams. >> I have >> an ancestor, Rebecca Earp (possibly Harp)who was born 1798 in NC and >> married >> Elijah Pile in Overton Co. around 1814. I would like to find her >> parents' >> names. I see that there were several Harp families living in >> Overton Co. >> during this time and think that she may be the daughter of one of >> them. >> There may be a connection to Samson Williams as one of the Harps was >> named >> Samson Harp. William Harp Sr. acquired land from Samson Williams - >> I >> believe before 1811. Do you know if any wills exist from this early >> time or >> were they destroyed in the courthouse fire of 1865? I would like to >> get a >> will of both William Harp, Sr. and Samson Williams. >> It is interesting that you have the deed record from 1817. I >> recently >> received the Fentress Co. Historical Society Newsletter and on page >> 58 there >> is an article on Moses Fisk. Part reads ".......The act of the >> General >> Assembly incorporating Fisk Female Academy recited, "that Moses Fisk >> and >> Sampson Williams are willing to contribute one thousand acres of >> land each >> toward the endowment of a female academy...." >> I have information on the Rich family as I am almost positive that I >> am >> connected to them also. Is there some info. you need? I can check >> my file. >> I also have some info. on Dentons. >> Deanna >> >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Carl Cason [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 5:23 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: [TNOVERTO] Williams >>> >>> >>>> I am interested in information on Samson Williams an early >> settler in >>>> Overton Co. He was involved in land transactions before 1811 >>> but I do not >>>> believe he was on the 1820 Overton Co. census. I understand >>> that he owned >>>> over 1000 acres in the area. Could anyone help with information >> on this >>>> man. Who were his children? Thanks. >>>> Deanna >>> >>> Deanna, I don't have the 1820 Overton Co. census, but there is a >>> Sampson Williams in the 1820 >Jackson< Co. census. You don't say >> how >>> old he would have been in 1820, but here are the ages of the >> people in >>> this household at that time: >>> >>> 1 male 0-10 >>> 1 male 10-15 >>> 1 male 16-25 >>> 2 males 45-up >>> >>> 4 females 0-10 >>> 1 female 10-15 >>> 1 female 16-25 >>> 1 female 26-45 >>> >>> He could have been in that part of Jackson co. that later became >> part >>> of Overton Co., or moved to Overton Co. >>> >>> From Book E pg 112 of Overton Co. deeds (you may already have >> this): >>> >>> Spencer Grogin to Jesse Rich 13 Oct 1817 both of Overton Co. >> $100 >>> 130 acres part of large tract bought by SAMPSON WILLIAMS from >>> Moses Friske, agent for the New York Company, lying on the >>> dividing ridge between Kettle Creek and Obed's River, bounded >> by >>> land of James armstrong, James Kilman. Wit by William >> Edwards, >>> Henry Kilman, and Samuel Scott. Registered 5 Jan 1821. >>> >>> Carl Cason, Bothell, Washington >>> email: [email protected] >>> Jackson/Clay/Overton Co., Tenn., surnames in my direct lines: >> CASON, >>> DENTON, GRAY, HALL, HOGG, MYERS, PEAK/PEEK/E, RICH, SHORT, >> STEPHENS, >>> STRONG, TRICE, VAN HOOSER, and WELCH. >>> >>> >>> ==== TNOVERTO Mailing List ==== >>> OVERTON LIST ADMINISTRATPR: >>> [email protected] >>> >>> ============================== >>> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >>> records, go to: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >>> >>> --- >>> Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >>> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>> Version: 6.0.431 / Virus Database: 242 - Release Date: 12/17/02 >>> >> --- >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.431 / Virus Database: 242 - Release Date: 12/17/02 >> >> >> ==== TNOVERTO Mailing List ==== >> OVERTON LIST ADMINISTRATOR: >> [email protected] >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >> records, go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> >> >> ==== TNOVERTO Mailing List ==== >> ADDRESS OVERTON LIST MESSAGES >> TOT: [email protected] >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >> records, go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> >> --- >> Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.431 / Virus Database: 242 - Release Date: 12/17/02 >> > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.431 / Virus Database: 242 - Release Date: 12/17/02 > > > ==== TNOVERTO Mailing List ==== > OVERTON LIST ADMINISTRATOR: > [email protected] > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >
Hi Gary, Thanks for the information. Is Rickman around the area of Mill Creek? The reason I ask is that Harp deeds list Mill Creek. In looking over the files on Harps I noticed that the ones that could be of the Rev. War era and living in Overton were living and had children long after the one Harp was killed for his evil deeds. So I don't think they were the same family. However, I will keep in mind what the lady said. Deanna > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Norris [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 9:45 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TNOVERTO] Harp > > > I do believe the Harps were brothers who operated on the Natchez Trace > between Nashville and Natchez. They were robbers and murderers. Finally > they were killed by a posse. I was told by an old lady that the > Harps were > distantly connected to the Harps from around Rickman. I kept my > mouth shut > on that, but not that the lady has died I might mention it to you > only as a > hint for your research. > > Gary D. Norris > > > From: "Deanna and Glen" <[email protected]> > > Reply-To: [email protected] > > Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 14:27:33 -0700 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [TNOVERTO] Williams > > Resent-From: [email protected] > > Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 14:17:14 -0700 > > > > Hi Gary, > > Some years ago I had read a historical fiction book which > mentioned them. > > Then a few weeks ago I went to a book on line that had a lot of > a woman's > > ancestors. One of the lines was Earp/Harp and near the end of > that section > > was information gathered about those men. Apparently they > operated during > > the Rev. War and around Nashville TN and other places. As far > as I could > > tell with dates, etc. they were not connected to the ones that > settled in > > Overton Co. > > I am interested in what you know about these men. > > Deanna > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Norris, Gary [mailto:[email protected]] > >> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:31 AM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: RE: [TNOVERTO] Williams > >> > >> > >> Deanna, > >> > >> Do you know the tales about the Big Harp and Little Harp? > >> > >> Gary D. Norris > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Deanna and Glen [SMTP:[email protected]] > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:35 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: RE: [TNOVERTO] Williams > >> > >> Hi, > >> Thank you for your reply. Yes, this may be the same Samson Williams. > >> I have > >> an ancestor, Rebecca Earp (possibly Harp)who was born 1798 in NC and > >> married > >> Elijah Pile in Overton Co. around 1814. I would like to find her > >> parents' > >> names. I see that there were several Harp families living in > >> Overton Co. > >> during this time and think that she may be the daughter of one of > >> them. > >> There may be a connection to Samson Williams as one of the Harps was > >> named > >> Samson Harp. William Harp Sr. acquired land from Samson Williams - > >> I > >> believe before 1811. Do you know if any wills exist from this early > >> time or > >> were they destroyed in the courthouse fire of 1865? I would like to > >> get a > >> will of both William Harp, Sr. and Samson Williams. > >> It is interesting that you have the deed record from 1817. I > >> recently > >> received the Fentress Co. Historical Society Newsletter and on page > >> 58 there > >> is an article on Moses Fisk. Part reads ".......The act of the > >> General > >> Assembly incorporating Fisk Female Academy recited, "that Moses Fisk > >> and > >> Sampson Williams are willing to contribute one thousand acres of > >> land each > >> toward the endowment of a female academy...." > >> I have information on the Rich family as I am almost positive that I > >> am > >> connected to them also. Is there some info. you need? I can check > >> my file. > >> I also have some info. on Dentons. > >> Deanna > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Carl Cason [mailto:[email protected]] > >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 5:23 PM > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Subject: [TNOVERTO] Williams > >>> > >>> > >>>> I am interested in information on Samson Williams an early > >> settler in > >>>> Overton Co. He was involved in land transactions before 1811 > >>> but I do not > >>>> believe he was on the 1820 Overton Co. census. I understand > >>> that he owned > >>>> over 1000 acres in the area. Could anyone help with information > >> on this > >>>> man. Who were his children? Thanks. > >>>> Deanna > >>> > >>> Deanna, I don't have the 1820 Overton Co. census, but there is a > >>> Sampson Williams in the 1820 >Jackson< Co. census. You don't say > >> how > >>> old he would have been in 1820, but here are the ages of the > >> people in > >>> this household at that time: > >>> > >>> 1 male 0-10 > >>> 1 male 10-15 > >>> 1 male 16-25 > >>> 2 males 45-up > >>> > >>> 4 females 0-10 > >>> 1 female 10-15 > >>> 1 female 16-25 > >>> 1 female 26-45 > >>> > >>> He could have been in that part of Jackson co. that later became > >> part > >>> of Overton Co., or moved to Overton Co. > >>> > >>> From Book E pg 112 of Overton Co. deeds (you may already have > >> this): > >>> > >>> Spencer Grogin to Jesse Rich 13 Oct 1817 both of Overton Co. > >> $100 > >>> 130 acres part of large tract bought by SAMPSON WILLIAMS from > >>> Moses Friske, agent for the New York Company, lying on the > >>> dividing ridge between Kettle Creek and Obed's River, bounded > >> by > >>> land of James armstrong, James Kilman. Wit by William > >> Edwards, > >>> Henry Kilman, and Samuel Scott. Registered 5 Jan 1821. > >>> > >>> Carl Cason, Bothell, Washington > >>> email: [email protected] > >>> Jackson/Clay/Overton Co., Tenn., surnames in my direct lines: > >> CASON, > >>> DENTON, GRAY, HALL, HOGG, MYERS, PEAK/PEEK/E, RICH, SHORT, > >> STEPHENS, > >>> STRONG, TRICE, VAN HOOSER, and WELCH. > >>> > >>> > >>> ==== TNOVERTO Mailing List ==== > >>> OVERTON LIST ADMINISTRATPR: > >>> [email protected] > >>> > >>> ============================== > >>> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > >>> records, go to: > >>> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >>> > >>> --- > >>> Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >>> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >>> Version: 6.0.431 / Virus Database: 242 - Release Date: 12/17/02 > >>> > >> --- > >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >> Version: 6.0.431 / Virus Database: 242 - Release Date: 12/17/02 > >> > >> > >> ==== TNOVERTO Mailing List ==== > >> OVERTON LIST ADMINISTRATOR: > >> [email protected] > >> > >> ============================== > >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > >> records, go to: > >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >> > >> > >> ==== TNOVERTO Mailing List ==== > >> ADDRESS OVERTON LIST MESSAGES > >> TOT: [email protected] > >> > >> ============================== > >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > >> records, go to: > >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >> > >> --- > >> Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >> Version: 6.0.431 / Virus Database: 242 - Release Date: 12/17/02 > >> > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.431 / Virus Database: 242 - Release Date: 12/17/02 > > > > > > ==== TNOVERTO Mailing List ==== > > OVERTON LIST ADMINISTRATOR: > > [email protected] > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy records, go > > to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== TNOVERTO Mailing List ==== > WATCH YOUR SUBJECT LINES > Many subscriber Delete a > message based on subject > lines. 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Gary and all, Jack Ferguson's book, EARLY TIMES IN CLINTON COUNTY (KY), Vol. I, has an interesting story about the HARP brothers, "Big Harp" and "Little Harp. My copy is not indexed so I can't give a page number. They were terrorizing the Green County area of early TN at the time. I believe the land that became Overton may have been in Green County at the time. He said their father had been a Tory during the Revolutionary War and that after the British failed the HARP family probably was subject to hard times and a lot of persecution that warped the HARP boys. Anna BERTRAM [email protected]