Gary, Thank you so much. Frank Brown was my husbands great grandfather. The family thinks that John Brown and Mahaly were never married. I found Mahaly Brown on the 1860 census with Lorenzo and Frank but no John. In fact I haven't found John Brown on any census in Overton Co. Can you give me the names of John and Judea Browns children? I found in one of the Roll Call books that Frank was half brother to Simeon. I have been to Old Union where Frank was buried and did not find Mahaly's grave. Any clues on the parents of John Brown? Thanking you again for your help. Vickie -- Researching: Durham, Troxtel, Smith, Richards, Hammock, Warren > Vicky, > > John Brown and Judea Stout married in the late 1840's. They had about 6 > children before John left Judy for Mahala Carr around 1860. Mahala and John > were supposed to have moved "up North". John and Mahala had one son, Frank. > Frank is buried at Old Union Cemetery and I think Mahala is buried either > beside him or at his feet. > > John Brown came back to stay with his children in the Alpine area when he > was an old man. He was homeless and filthy. Whomever he stayed with, he > left them with body lice. John Brown was sitting on the porch listing to a > Tom Norris play a fiddle when John died of what was probably a stroke. He > was buried in the John Vaughn Cemetery at Brown's Chapel. His grave was not > marked. > > Years later two of my uncles were told to go to the John Vaughn Cemetery and > dig a grave for Judea Brown in 1913. They dug into a coffin in an > unexpected grave. After checking around the community, it was decided that > the boys dug into their grandpa's grave. They hurriedly filled the grave > back in and buried Judea Stout Brown in another spot. To this day the grave > of John Brown is still unmarked. I guess his body is truly "moldering in > the grave"! > > Gary D. Norris > > > From: [email protected] > > Reply-To: [email protected] > > Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 02:01:59 +0000 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [TNOVERTO] John Brown > > Resent-From: [email protected] > > Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 20:01:56 -0600 > > > > Gary, I'm looking for info on John Brown who married Mahaly Carr. Do you > > have anything you could share on this family? > > > > -- > > Researching: Durham, Troxtel, > > Smith, Richards, Hammock, Warren > >> Bob, > >> > >> My John Brown was born in Kentucky in 1825. He died in Overton County > >> before 1900. He was married to Judea Stout and later Mahala Carr. Brown's > >> Chapel east of Alpine is named after one of John and Judea's sons. > >> > >> I do not believe our Johns are the same, but I just wanted you to put this > >> up for future reference if necessary. > >> > >> Gary D. Norris > >> > >> > >> > >>> From: "Bob Brown" <[email protected]> > >>> Reply-To: [email protected] > >>> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:23:00 -0400 > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Subject: [TNOVERTO] John S. Brown > >>> Resent-From: [email protected] > >>> Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 19:22:32 -0600 > >>> > >>> My 2nd ggrandfather is John S. Brown. He and his wife Ann were living in > >>> Overton County When my ggrandfather, Austin Curtis Brown, was born on 5 Aug > >>> 1820. My John S. Brown and his brother Jacob Brown were in Caldwell County, > >>> KY, by 1825 where they appear on a tax list. Jacob was dead by 1828 as John > >>> S. was administrator of his estate. The only John S. Brown I find in the > >>> 1820 > >>> Overton County census is listed next to Sarah S.(Sevier?) Brown. Sarah was > >>> the widow of Judge Benjamin Brown and their children include a John S. Brown > >>> and a Jacob Brown. I feel that my John S. Brown and the John S. Brown, son > >>> of > >>> Benjamin and Sarah, are the same person but have found no direct evidence. > >>> Can anyone help me? > >>> > >>> Bob Brown > >>> > >>> > >>> ==== TNOVERTO Mailing List ==== > >>> OVERTON LIST ADMINISTRATOR: > >>> [email protected] > >>> > >>> ============================== > >>> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > >>> to: > >>> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >>> > >> > >> > >> ==== TNOVERTO Mailing List ==== > >> WATCH YOUR SUBJECT LINES > >> Many subscriber Delete a > >> message based on subject > >> lines. 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Vickie, The children of John Brown and Judea Stout were: Louisa born about 1846. I know very little about this child. Susan Ann "Susann" born September 1, 1849. Albert Center "Center" born April 5, 1850. Simeon Eli "Sim" born November 1, 1852. Mary Ann "Pop" born December 23, 1852. Payton "Pate" born about 1854. William Harding "Billy" born about 1855. Please note that some of the birth dates were impossible. The dates were taken from their tombstones, but the dates had to be wrong for Simeon Eli and Mary Ann. Likewise, Susan Ann and Albert Center couldn't have been born that close to one another either. Payton and William Harding went to Seattle to live. They are buried there. Mahala Carr was buried at either beside Frank Brown or at the foot of his grave. The stone is not inscribed. This was told to me by a child of Frank some years ago. John Brown must have abandoned Mahala and Frank also because he was really alone with he died at Alpine. I hope this helps. Gary D. Norris > From: [email protected] > Reply-To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 03:21:47 +0000 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TNOVERTO] John Brown > Resent-From: [email protected] > Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:21:44 -0600 > > Gary, Thank you so much. Frank Brown was my husbands great grandfather. The > family thinks that John Brown and Mahaly were never married. I found Mahaly > Brown on the 1860 census with Lorenzo and Frank but no John. In fact I > haven't found John Brown on any census in Overton Co. Can you give me the > names of John and Judea Browns children? I found in one of the Roll Call > books that Frank was half brother to Simeon. I have been to Old Union where > Frank was buried and did not find Mahaly's grave. Any clues on the parents of > John Brown? Thanking you again for your help. Vickie > > -- > Researching: Durham, Troxtel, > Smith, Richards, Hammock, Warren >> Vicky, >> >> John Brown and Judea Stout married in the late 1840's. They had about 6 >> children before John left Judy for Mahala Carr around 1860. Mahala and John >> were supposed to have moved "up North". John and Mahala had one son, Frank. >> Frank is buried at Old Union Cemetery and I think Mahala is buried either >> beside him or at his feet. >> >> John Brown came back to stay with his children in the Alpine area when he >> was an old man. He was homeless and filthy. Whomever he stayed with, he >> left them with body lice. John Brown was sitting on the porch listing to a >> Tom Norris play a fiddle when John died of what was probably a stroke. He >> was buried in the John Vaughn Cemetery at Brown's Chapel. His grave was not >> marked. >> >> Years later two of my uncles were told to go to the John Vaughn Cemetery and >> dig a grave for Judea Brown in 1913. They dug into a coffin in an >> unexpected grave. After checking around the community, it was decided that >> the boys dug into their grandpa's grave. They hurriedly filled the grave >> back in and buried Judea Stout Brown in another spot. To this day the grave >> of John Brown is still unmarked. I guess his body is truly "moldering in >> the grave"! >> >> Gary D. Norris >> >>> From: [email protected] >>> Reply-To: [email protected] >>> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 02:01:59 +0000 >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [TNOVERTO] John Brown >>> Resent-From: [email protected] >>> Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 20:01:56 -0600 >>> >>> Gary, I'm looking for info on John Brown who married Mahaly Carr. Do you >>> have anything you could share on this family? >>> >>> -- >>> Researching: Durham, Troxtel, >>> Smith, Richards, Hammock, Warren >>>> Bob, >>>> >>>> My John Brown was born in Kentucky in 1825. He died in Overton County >>>> before 1900. He was married to Judea Stout and later Mahala Carr. Brown's >>>> Chapel east of Alpine is named after one of John and Judea's sons. >>>> >>>> I do not believe our Johns are the same, but I just wanted you to put this >>>> up for future reference if necessary. >>>> >>>> Gary D. Norris >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: "Bob Brown" <[email protected]> >>>>> Reply-To: [email protected] >>>>> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:23:00 -0400 >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: [TNOVERTO] John S. Brown >>>>> Resent-From: [email protected] >>>>> Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 19:22:32 -0600 >>>>> >>>>> My 2nd ggrandfather is John S. Brown. He and his wife Ann were living in >>>>> Overton County When my ggrandfather, Austin Curtis Brown, was born on 5 >>>>> Aug >>>>> 1820. My John S. Brown and his brother Jacob Brown were in Caldwell >>>>> County, >>>>> KY, by 1825 where they appear on a tax list. Jacob was dead by 1828 as >>>>> John >>>>> S. was administrator of his estate. The only John S. Brown I find in the >>>>> 1820 >>>>> Overton County census is listed next to Sarah S.(Sevier?) Brown. Sarah >>>>> was >>>>> the widow of Judge Benjamin Brown and their children include a John S. >>>>> Brown >>>>> and a Jacob Brown. I feel that my John S. Brown and the John S. Brown, >>>>> son >>>>> of >>>>> Benjamin and Sarah, are the same person but have found no direct evidence. >>>>> Can anyone help me? >>>>> >>>>> Bob Brown >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== TNOVERTO Mailing List ==== >>>>> OVERTON LIST ADMINISTRATOR: >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> ============================== >>>>> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >>>>> go >>>>> to: >>>>> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== TNOVERTO Mailing List ==== >>>> WATCH YOUR SUBJECT LINES >>>> Many subscriber Delete a >>>> message based on subject >>>> lines. 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