Thank you Dona for your information too. I enjoy meeting "cousins" and always appreciate having their information. This morning I received some fax copies of the Bilbrey/Hawks/Oberfelt family information pages from a bible that dates back to the very early 1800s. Ask hubby if there is any connection to the Hawks, Looney, Oberfelt families in his family. Keep in touch. Ruth

Hello Ruth, I have no connection to the Looney's but found this recently in VA Colonial Militia by Crozier: Peter Looney, dec'd, Sergt. in Capt. Smith's Co. of Rangers last war, till he was taken prisoner by French and Indians in 1756. That he did not return from his captivity for near two years. Peter Looney, heir-at-law Botetourt Co., March, 1780 Deanna ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [TNOVERTO] Bilbrey > Thank you Dona for your information too. I enjoy meeting "cousins" and > always appreciate having their information. > > This morning I received some fax copies of the Bilbrey/Hawks/Oberfelt family > information pages from a bible that dates back to the very early 1800s. Ask > hubby if there is any connection to the Hawks, Looney, Oberfelt families in his > family. > > Keep in touch. > Ruth > > > ==== TNOVERTO Mailing List ==== > WATCH YOUR SUBJECT LINES > Many subscriber Delete a > message based on subject > lines. GIVE YOURS ONE! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Cookville is in Putnam Co., could his birth place be Cookplace which is in Overton Co. Ron

Thanks for sharing the info about your family. It is very very interesting. And you are so fortunate to have a photo of Felix Hickman Bilbrey. The oldest photo we have is one dated 1911 taken of the Horner family in a group photo, standing next to their wooden shack of a house in Hilham, near Livingston, TN. My hubby's mother, Ida Eula Horner was about 13 years old. My hubby's grandparents Eugene and Molly Sullivan Horner are in the photo. Their house in Hilahm is about 5 miles from the cemetery where Eugene and Molly are buried. I've visited the cemetery and found their headstones. Very crude with markings which are barely legible. Seemed like times were really rough for this family. I guess you know that Vanderbilt Medical School is still in operation and is located in Nashville, TN. I've driven past it many times. It has an excellent reputation of being a fine university. Thanks for writing. Dona Terry Houston

Yes, his name was Felix Hickman Bilbrey. He was born 10 Aug 1841 in Cookeville, Overton Co., TN. I have a picture of him that was taken when he was 20 years old in 1861, in his Private's Confederate (gray) uniform there in Overton Co., TN. Both of his daughters have his nice long nose and his long slender fingers. One of those daughters was Elnora Bilbrey that the family called Nora. The other was Jennie Lee Bilbrey, who was my grandmother. She was an accomplished pianist who had studied at the St. Louis School of Music. She was able to play anything you could hum or she could remember without any music to read. Binom Bilbrey was my grandmother's grandfather and the father of Felix Hickman Bilbrey. Felix married Mary Ann Gulley and they moved to IL. He studied to be a Dr. and came down with TB. He had to quit his medical studies but he worked in a drug store to help support his family. Later, when he got over being so sick, he went back to study medicine in TN. My father told me he got his medical degree from Vanderbuilt Medical School. My father had his medical degree for a long time but it got lost in a move we made. Ruth Kinney Townsley

Do you know whether your Bilbrey ancestor was in the Civil War? Gary > From: [email protected] > Reply-To: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 17:25:16 EDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TNOVERTO] Bilbrey > Resent-From: [email protected] > Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 15:25:16 -0600 > > Thank you so much for your information on the Bilbrey Stables. I am > wondering if there is anyone there who could check and see who the original > owners > were? > Thanks, > Ruth Kinney Townsley, > A great, great granddaughter of Binom Bilbrey. > > > ==== TNOVERTO Mailing List ==== > OVERTON LIST ADMINISTRATPR: > [email protected] > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Thank you so much for your information on the Bilbrey Stables. I am wondering if there is anyone there who could check and see who the original owners were? Thanks, Ruth Kinney Townsley, A great, great granddaughter of Binom Bilbrey.

The Bilbrey Stables are very old. They are probably 30-35 years old. I am not sure who owns them. I checked the phone book, but could not find a listing for the stables. At this point I am not sure they are even open for business any more. I haven't been there in many years. Gary D. Norris > From: [email protected] > Reply-To: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 01:09:20 EDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TNOVERTO] Tiptons > Resent-From: [email protected] > Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 23:10:57 -0600 > > In a message dated 9/6/03 10:34:26 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] > writes: > > >> Billy, >> >> I think it was called the William Carr Cemetery because that is what L. G. >> Jr. called it during an investigation prior to the building of the >> industrial park. I went there to see the cemetery myself, but the cattle >> had pretty well crushed the sandstone rocks. All were down. I think there >> were about 5-10 graves there. The site should be between Old Highway 42 and >> Highway 111. It is north of Bilbrey's Horse Stables. I think a new house >> was just built very near the graves. The Pucketts may still own the land as >> far as I know. L. G. Puckett Jr. said he was told the graves were those of >> the William Carr family when he bought the farm many years ago. I know he >> owned it in the late 1950' because we use to have cookouts there at that >> time. >> >> I have not heard of the Carr Shack Road, but the local government officials >> ask local residents to help in naming those roads about 20 years ago. I >> would say the road was just named for a physical site on the road. There >> must have been such a Carr Shack located there at one time. That shack may >> have been a very old house. >> >> Gary D. Norris >> > > Hi Garry D. Norris, > I am new to this list but would love to know more about the Bilbrey Horse > Stable you mention above. My great grandfather was Dr. Felix Hickman Bilbrey > who > was born 10 Aug 1841 in Cookeville, Overton Co., TN and died in Puxico, > Stoddard Co., MO. He was married to Mary Ann Gulley. He was the son of Binom > Bilbrey and Elizabeth (last name unknown at this time). > > Hope you or someone else on this list might have some more information on the > above Bilbrey Horse Stable. > > Thanks, > Ruth Kinney Townsley > > > ==== TNOVERTO Mailing List ==== > OVERTON LIST ADMINISTRATPR: > [email protected] > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I know very few of those road names in Overton County today. I left there in 1970 and its far from being the same place now. I just called the roads what the local residents used for a name. Unfortunately, those names were not used in the mapping that occurred in the 1980's. Gary D. Norris > From: "Billy D. Carr" <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 14:02:30 -0400 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TNOVERTO] Tiptons > Resent-From: [email protected] > Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 12:02:22 -0600 > >>> Gary, > Microsoft Streets and Trips is often helpful to find obscure road names. I > put in Carr Shack Road in and it came up with Carr Smack Road, Livingston, > Tennessee so I'm passing on the info. (No hint as to the Shack/Smack > difference.) > Carr Smack Road runs for 1.5 miles parallel to Hwy 111. Windle Road changes > into Carr Smack Road when it crosses Hwy 85 and remains Carr Smack Road > until it intersects Upper Millham Road. > This may not be new information for you but I thought I'd pass it on. Also, > Streets and Trips lists the location of 12 Carr Cemeteries in Tennessee and > several Copeland Cemeteries. Carr and Copeland both with several sites near > Livingston. > Don Henry << > > > This is the same road I was referring to. It is misspelled in streets ands > trips. > > Billy D. Carr > > > ==== TNOVERTO Mailing List ==== > OVERTON LIST ADMINISTRATPR: > [email protected] > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

>>Gary, Microsoft Streets and Trips is often helpful to find obscure road names. I put in Carr Shack Road in and it came up with Carr Smack Road, Livingston, Tennessee so I'm passing on the info. (No hint as to the Shack/Smack difference.) Carr Smack Road runs for 1.5 miles parallel to Hwy 111. Windle Road changes into Carr Smack Road when it crosses Hwy 85 and remains Carr Smack Road until it intersects Upper Millham Road. This may not be new information for you but I thought I'd pass it on. Also, Streets and Trips lists the location of 12 Carr Cemeteries in Tennessee and several Copeland Cemeteries. Carr and Copeland both with several sites near Livingston. Don Henry << This is the same road I was referring to. It is misspelled in streets ands trips. Billy D. Carr

Is there any one out there that has any info on the AllenW.Wright Family.He married Nancy Jane Hill.Their children were #1 Rachel Melvina..b.about 1847 Overton County #2 James Hooker ..b about 1848 or 49 Overton County. #3Melinda C. b. Feb 1852 Overton County #4 John ..b abt 1853 Overton County. died bef 1860 Overton County #5 Matilda J b 06 Feb 1856 Overton County #6 William Burdine ..b Oct 1862 Overton County,Tn #7 Margaret V..b abt 1863 Overton County,Tn #8 Andrew Burl ..b 1864 Overton County,Tn #9 Mary Alice ..b.1866 Overton County ,Tn Who was the parents of Allen Wright? All info appreciated as i've been working on this family for quite a while Anna W.

Perhaps someone can help me on this Bilbrey matter. I found this entry in the 1860 Census of Overton Co TN: 1860 census of Overton Co TN, 11th District, Monroe, 1143-1143, June 14, 1860 Nathaniel Hutson ..... age 50 NC farm laborer Hannah Hutson ....... age 46 TN housekeeper cannot read/write James Hutson .......... age 22 TN farm laborer John Hutson ........... age 19 TN farm laborer Thomas Hutson ....... age 17 TN laborer Elizabeth Hutson ..... age 15 TN in school Malvina Hutson........ age 9 TN in school Elizabeth Bilbrey.... age 68 NC cannot read/write I am guessing that this Elizabeth Bilbrey, born abt 1792 in NC, is the mother of Hannah, born abt 1814 in TN. Can anyone identify Elizabeth BILBREY in the 1860 census? Does this Elizabeth Bilbrey fit into the family you are researching? Note that this family (without Elizabeth Bilbrey) is found in the 1870 Census of Overton Co TN; however the spelling of the surname Hutson in 1870 was changed to "Hudson". My husband is the great-grandson of Elizabeth Hutson, age 15, in the above census entry. I look forward to hearing from anyone who may shed some light on the identify of this Elizabeth (nee unk) BILBREY, born abt 1792 in NC. Thank you so much. Dona Terry Researching HUTSONS/HUDSONS/BILBREYS in Overton Co TN

Gary, Microsoft Streets and Trips is often helpful to find obscure road names. I put in Carr Shack Road in and it came up with Carr Smack Road, Livingston, Tennessee so I'm passing on the info. (No hint as to the Shack/Smack difference.) Carr Smack Road runs for 1.5 miles parallel to Hwy 111. Windle Road changes into Carr Smack Road when it crosses Hwy 85 and remains Carr Smack Road until it intersects Upper Millham Road. This may not be new information for you but I thought I'd pass it on. Also, Streets and Trips lists the location of 12 Carr Cemeteries in Tennessee and several Copeland Cemeteries. Carr and Copeland both with several sites near Livingston. Don Henry ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Norris To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [TNOVERTO] Tiptons Billy, I think it was called the William Carr Cemetery because that is what L. G. Jr. called it during an investigation prior to the building of the industrial park. I went there to see the cemetery myself, but the cattle had pretty well crushed the sandstone rocks. All were down. I think there were about 5-10 graves there. The site should be between Old Highway 42 and Highway 111. It is north of Bilbrey's Horse Stables. I think a new house was just built very near the graves. The Pucketts may still own the land as far as I know. L. G. Puckett Jr. said he was told the graves were those of the William Carr family when he bought the farm many years ago. I know he owned it in the late 1950' because we use to have cookouts there at that time. I have not heard of the Carr Shack Road, but the local government officials ask local residents to help in naming those roads about 20 years ago. I would say the road was just named for a physical site on the road. There must have been such a Carr Shack located there at one time. That shack may have been a very old house. Gary D. Norris > From: "Billy D. Carr" <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 22:45:28 -0400 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TNOVERTO] Tiptons > Resent-From: [email protected] > Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 20:45:08 -0600 > >>> There were Tiptons in Fentress County long ago. Still are. I think I > remember some of them being Revolutionary soldiers who got grants in this > area. A lot of Tiptons lived in the Buffalo Cove area of West Fentress > County. > > Was that the William Carr who is buried on L. G. Puckett's farm near the > City Lake in Livingston. Carr Creek is named for him I believe. > > > Gary D. Norris<< > > Gary, > > This William Carr is the one buried in the Richard Copeland Cemetery between > Livingston and Cookeville. > > What is the L.G. Puckett farm cemetery called in your book? > > There is a road in the same area as the Richard Copeland cemetery that is > called "Carr Shack Road". Do you know the history of this road or how it > got it's name? > > Billy D. Carr > > > ==== TNOVERTO Mailing List ==== > OVERTON LIST ADMINISTRATPR: > [email protected] > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ==== TNOVERTO Mailing List ==== OVERTON LIST ADMINISTRATPR: [email protected] ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

In a message dated 9/6/03 10:34:26 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Billy, > > I think it was called the William Carr Cemetery because that is what L. G. > Jr. called it during an investigation prior to the building of the > industrial park. I went there to see the cemetery myself, but the cattle > had pretty well crushed the sandstone rocks. All were down. I think there > were about 5-10 graves there. The site should be between Old Highway 42 and > Highway 111. It is north of Bilbrey's Horse Stables. I think a new house > was just built very near the graves. The Pucketts may still own the land as > far as I know. L. G. Puckett Jr. said he was told the graves were those of > the William Carr family when he bought the farm many years ago. I know he > owned it in the late 1950' because we use to have cookouts there at that > time. > > I have not heard of the Carr Shack Road, but the local government officials > ask local residents to help in naming those roads about 20 years ago. I > would say the road was just named for a physical site on the road. There > must have been such a Carr Shack located there at one time. That shack may > have been a very old house. > > Gary D. Norris > Hi Garry D. Norris, I am new to this list but would love to know more about the Bilbrey Horse Stable you mention above. My great grandfather was Dr. Felix Hickman Bilbrey who was born 10 Aug 1841 in Cookeville, Overton Co., TN and died in Puxico, Stoddard Co., MO. He was married to Mary Ann Gulley. He was the son of Binom Bilbrey and Elizabeth (last name unknown at this time). Hope you or someone else on this list might have some more information on the above Bilbrey Horse Stable. Thanks, Ruth Kinney Townsley

Billy, I think it was called the William Carr Cemetery because that is what L. G. Jr. called it during an investigation prior to the building of the industrial park. I went there to see the cemetery myself, but the cattle had pretty well crushed the sandstone rocks. All were down. I think there were about 5-10 graves there. The site should be between Old Highway 42 and Highway 111. It is north of Bilbrey's Horse Stables. I think a new house was just built very near the graves. The Pucketts may still own the land as far as I know. L. G. Puckett Jr. said he was told the graves were those of the William Carr family when he bought the farm many years ago. I know he owned it in the late 1950' because we use to have cookouts there at that time. I have not heard of the Carr Shack Road, but the local government officials ask local residents to help in naming those roads about 20 years ago. I would say the road was just named for a physical site on the road. There must have been such a Carr Shack located there at one time. That shack may have been a very old house. Gary D. Norris > From: "Billy D. Carr" <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 22:45:28 -0400 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TNOVERTO] Tiptons > Resent-From: [email protected] > Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 20:45:08 -0600 > >>> There were Tiptons in Fentress County long ago. Still are. I think I > remember some of them being Revolutionary soldiers who got grants in this > area. A lot of Tiptons lived in the Buffalo Cove area of West Fentress > County. > > Was that the William Carr who is buried on L. G. Puckett's farm near the > City Lake in Livingston. Carr Creek is named for him I believe. > > > Gary D. Norris<< > > Gary, > > This William Carr is the one buried in the Richard Copeland Cemetery between > Livingston and Cookeville. > > What is the L.G. Puckett farm cemetery called in your book? > > There is a road in the same area as the Richard Copeland cemetery that is > called "Carr Shack Road". Do you know the history of this road or how it > got it's name? > > Billy D. Carr > > > ==== TNOVERTO Mailing List ==== > OVERTON LIST ADMINISTRATPR: > [email protected] > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

>>There were Tiptons in Fentress County long ago. Still are. I think I remember some of them being Revolutionary soldiers who got grants in this area. A lot of Tiptons lived in the Buffalo Cove area of West Fentress County. Was that the William Carr who is buried on L. G. Puckett's farm near the City Lake in Livingston. Carr Creek is named for him I believe. Gary D. Norris<< Gary, This William Carr is the one buried in the Richard Copeland Cemetery between Livingston and Cookeville. What is the L.G. Puckett farm cemetery called in your book? There is a road in the same area as the Richard Copeland cemetery that is called "Carr Shack Road". Do you know the history of this road or how it got it's name? Billy D. Carr

There were Tiptons in Fentress County long ago. Still are. I think I remember some of them being Revolutionary soldiers who got grants in this area. A lot of Tiptons lived in the Buffalo Cove area of West Fentress County. Was that the William Carr who is buried on L. G. Puckett's farm near the City Lake in Livingston. Carr Creek is named for him I believe. Gary D. Norris > From: [email protected] > Reply-To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:35:09 EDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TNOVERTO] Capps- Riddle > Resent-From: [email protected] > Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 13:35:20 -0600 > > Some of this fits- > My grandmother Maggie Jane Wray Neves parents were > (father) Thomas Jefferson Wray b 1934 in TN d 10/16/1921 in Dekalb, TX > (mother) Sarah Permelia Carr b 12/11/1858 in Livingston, TN (Overton Co.) > Sarahs parents were > William ? Carr b2/16/1829 in Overton Co, TN d 9/9/1868 (What is middle > initial?) > and > Eliza Jane Copeland b 11/13/1832 in TN d 3/12/1911 > > Williams parents were (my g-g-g-parents) > Thomas Carr and Rebecca???? no more info > > Eliza parents were Richard Copeland and Margaret Jane ???? no more info > Billy Carr- > Thanks for your input. My grandmother raised me and the name Tipton > rings a bell - she spoke of it. As a child (10 -12) years old, she rode from > TN > side saddle to OK Territory. They migrated to East TX and her sister Mattie > Wray married a Copeland and another Copeland brother moved to Arkansas during > the dust bowl of TX. > My grandmother, Maggie Jane Wray, applied for an old age pension and > had to have someone from the TN hills sign a statement saying they remembered > her birth. AnoTher dead end is they say so many records have been destroyed by > the civil war. > Please keep in touch. > Patsy > > > ==== TNOVERTO Mailing List ==== > ADDRESS OVERTON LIST MESSAGES > TOT: [email protected] > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I believe that Thomas and John were probably brothers or at least closely related. In the 1850 census a granddaughter of John Carr was staying at the home of Thomas Carr. The girl was Minerva Pritchett daughter of Mary Ann "Polly" Carr and Thomas Pritchett Billy D. Carr

I beleave that your Thomas Carr may have been a brother to my John Carr, both were from Va. and close to the same age. Alot of their children had the same nome.

Some of this fits- My grandmother Maggie Jane Wray Neves parents were (father) Thomas Jefferson Wray b 1934 in TN d 10/16/1921 in Dekalb, TX (mother) Sarah Permelia Carr b 12/11/1858 in Livingston, TN (Overton Co.) Sarahs parents were William ? Carr b2/16/1829 in Overton Co, TN d 9/9/1868 (What is middle initial?) and Eliza Jane Copeland b 11/13/1832 in TN d 3/12/1911 Williams parents were (my g-g-g-parents) Thomas Carr and Rebecca???? no more info Eliza parents were Richard Copeland and Margaret Jane ???? no more info Billy Carr- Thanks for your input. My grandmother raised me and the name Tipton rings a bell - she spoke of it. As a child (10 -12) years old, she rode from TN side saddle to OK Territory. They migrated to East TX and her sister Mattie Wray married a Copeland and another Copeland brother moved to Arkansas during the dust bowl of TX. My grandmother, Maggie Jane Wray, applied for an old age pension and had to have someone from the TN hills sign a statement saying they remembered her birth. AnoTher dead end is they say so many records have been destroyed by the civil war. Please keep in touch. Patsy