Dear Edna, Just read your latest email and it occurred to me that you might have some ideas of where to steer me next, or perhaps those books you mentioned may have some gems for me. I was extremely fortunate to connect with Morgan T. a few years before he died, and he sent me much of his data. But he didn't hold out much hope for what I need, so it may be silly for me to inquire. My gg grandfather was Ferdinand Heydemann who emigrated on an ill-fated ship in 1847 which almost didn't make it to land. He was one of the earlier workers, storekeepers and landowners of Wartburg and then md John C. White and Ruth Hall White's daughter Ann C White. He was murdered in 1856. Morgan didn't think that there was any record of where he was buried or any marriage record for he and Ann White as 'sherman' and his men had been through there. So, where he might be buried would be my first question? I also cannot find the origins of George D. Bowling (1834) and his brother Thomas B. Bowling, who were probably friends of the Whites or Halls. He later marries Ann and becomes the step-father of her daughters, Ann and Flora and they move to Kansas City, KS. He and Ann were md in Macoupin, Illinois on the way to Kansas. Does anyone connect to these Bowlings? Their mother's name could have been Mary, but that is not verified. They both state that they were born in TN and not KY. Ruth Hall's mother, Barbara, wife of David Hall, was Native American. John C. White's mother was Natichia, also Native American. {I think I have the generations correct} Now that records for Native Americans seem to be coming forth, can you suggest the best way to find which tribes or nations, these two women would have been part of. (Off hand, I could assume Cherokee, but that would be foolish.) Any ideas or suggestions that you might have would be very appreciated. And to all you listers, I have learned so much about Wartburg and TN from all of your sharing. The funny thing is that these are my Mom's lines, Flora was her grandmother, and recently I realized that my Dad's 2nd and 3rd great grandparents were over in Jefferson County, not too far away - William McCulley born 1790, and Tobias Wilhelm (1760?-1814 in AL) and his daughter Aisley Wilhelm. These families emigrated down to Paint Rock, Jackson, AL. I want to thank all of you for the historical information and good advice and ideas that you share. May you all have a safe, peaceful, healthy, and loving Christmastime and be blessed for all of your kindnesses, especially to us Westerners, who have been in Northern Indiana for a 3rd of a Century. Sure would be tempting to come your way for Christmas, if those darling little granddaughters weren't out West. Oh Well - Maybe next Spring or Fall. Thanks again Edna. Susan Eppich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna P Ward" <EPWARD@highland.net> To: <TNMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [TNMORGAN] Blank Census Forms > > > > You can order from Morgan Co. Library any Census Record Book you like. > They have 1820-1830-1840-1850(1850 tells you head of household and names of > wife and children and approx. age of children and where they were born). > They also have 1860-1870-1880- 1900 vol 1 and vol II and 1910 and 1920. Not > too costly either. > > I have those and Cemetery Records and Old Marriage Records by Miss Ethel > Freytag.. > > Edna P. Ward > EPWARD@Highland.Net > > > > > > > > > > At 01:25 PM 12/8/2003 -0800, you wrote: > >Can anyone tell me where I can get census forms off of the net that match > the orignial census blanks so I will know what to put where. Thanks Pat > > > > > >==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== > >SUPPORT OUR TROOPS! GOD BLESS AMERICA > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > JOHN HOLLOWAY FIRST FAMILIES OF TENNESSEEE > > > ==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== > Morgan County Books: > http://www.tngenweb.org/morgan/MorganCountyBooks.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I had a Cherokee Grandmother Miranda James and I know she was 1/2 Cherokee. Her husband who was Fred Briggs was 1/4 Cherokee. Who had red hair and beautiful blue eyes. She was tall and slender and dark hair and dark eyes. I have found his family but cannot find anyone from the James Side of the family to compare/share notes with. I have no idea where to look for this information on the Indian Tribes. Most here were Cherokee. They gave Tennessee it's name. I will have to look this up for you. If I can, I will. At 09:00 PM 12/8/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Dear Edna, > >Just read your latest email and it occurred to me that you might have some >ideas of >where to steer me next, or perhaps those books you mentioned may have some >gems >for me. I was extremely fortunate to connect with Morgan T. a few years >before he died, and he >sent me much of his data. But he didn't hold out much hope for what I need, >so it may be silly >for me to inquire. > >My gg grandfather was Ferdinand Heydemann who emigrated on an ill-fated ship >in 1847 which almost didn't make it to land. He was one of the earlier >workers, storekeepers and landowners >of Wartburg and then md John C. White and Ruth Hall White's daughter Ann C >White. He was >murdered in 1856. Morgan didn't think that there was any record of where he >was buried or any >marriage record for he and Ann White as 'sherman' and his men had been >through there. > >So, where he might be buried would be my first question? > >I also cannot find the origins of George D. Bowling (1834) and his brother >Thomas B. Bowling, who were >probably friends of the Whites or Halls. He later marries Ann and becomes >the step-father of her >daughters, Ann and Flora and they move to Kansas City, KS. He and Ann were >md in Macoupin, >Illinois on the way to Kansas. Does anyone connect to these Bowlings? Their >mother's name could have been Mary, but that is not verified. They both >state that they were born in TN and not KY. > >Ruth Hall's mother, Barbara, wife of David Hall, was Native American. John >C. White's mother >was Natichia, also Native American. {I think I have the generations >correct} Now that records for >Native Americans seem to be coming forth, can you suggest the best way to >find which tribes or nations, these two women would have been part of. (Off >hand, I could assume Cherokee, but that would be foolish.) Any ideas or >suggestions that you might have would be very appreciated. > >And to all you listers, I have learned so much about Wartburg and TN from >all of your sharing. >The funny thing is that these are my Mom's lines, Flora was her grandmother, >and recently I >realized that my Dad's 2nd and 3rd great grandparents were over in Jefferson >County, not too far >away - William McCulley born 1790, and Tobias Wilhelm (1760?-1814 in AL) and >his daughter >Aisley Wilhelm. These families emigrated down to Paint Rock, Jackson, AL. >I want to thank all of you for the historical information and good advice >and ideas that you share. > >May you all have a safe, peaceful, healthy, and loving Christmastime and be >blessed for all of >your kindnesses, especially to us Westerners, who have been in Northern >Indiana for a 3rd of a >Century. Sure would be tempting to come your way for Christmas, if those >darling little granddaughters weren't out West. Oh Well - Maybe next Spring >or Fall. > >Thanks again Edna. > >Susan Eppich >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Edna P Ward" <EPWARD@highland.net> >To: <TNMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 6:34 PM >Subject: Re: [TNMORGAN] Blank Census Forms > > >> >> >> >> You can order from Morgan Co. Library any Census Record Book you like. >> They have 1820-1830-1840-1850(1850 tells you head of household and names >of >> wife and children and approx. age of children and where they were born). >> They also have 1860-1870-1880- 1900 vol 1 and vol II and 1910 and 1920. >Not >> too costly either. >> >> I have those and Cemetery Records and Old Marriage Records by Miss Ethel >> Freytag.. >> >> Edna P. Ward >> EPWARD@Highland.Net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> At 01:25 PM 12/8/2003 -0800, you wrote: >> >Can anyone tell me where I can get census forms off of the net that match >> the orignial census blanks so I will know what to put where. Thanks Pat >> > >> > >> >==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== >> >SUPPORT OUR TROOPS! GOD BLESS AMERICA >> > >> >============================== >> >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >> go to: >> >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > >> > >> JOHN HOLLOWAY FIRST FAMILIES OF TENNESSEEE >> >> >> ==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== >> Morgan County Books: >> http://www.tngenweb.org/morgan/MorganCountyBooks.html >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > > > >==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== >Morgan County Books: >http://www.tngenweb.org/morgan/MorganCountyBooks.html > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > JOHN HOLLOWAY FIRST FAMILIES OF TENNESSEEE

It is showing a HEYDMANN with John and Rachel White in 1860 Census. Ann Heydmann 6 yrs old Flora Heydmann 4 yrs old. His wife may have died too. Since the children seemed to be raised by their Grandparents. At 09:00 PM 12/8/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Dear Edna, > >Just read your latest email and it occurred to me that you might have some >ideas of >where to steer me next, or perhaps those books you mentioned may have some >gems >for me. I was extremely fortunate to connect with Morgan T. a few years >before he died, and he >sent me much of his data. But he didn't hold out much hope for what I need, >so it may be silly >for me to inquire. > >My gg grandfather was Ferdinand Heydemann who emigrated on an ill-fated ship >in 1847 which almost didn't make it to land. He was one of the earlier >workers, storekeepers and landowners >of Wartburg and then md John C. White and Ruth Hall White's daughter Ann C >White. He was >murdered in 1856. Morgan didn't think that there was any record of where he >was buried or any >marriage record for he and Ann White as 'sherman' and his men had been >through there. > >So, where he might be buried would be my first question? > >I also cannot find the origins of George D. Bowling (1834) and his brother >Thomas B. Bowling, who were >probably friends of the Whites or Halls. He later marries Ann and becomes >the step-father of her >daughters, Ann and Flora and they move to Kansas City, KS. He and Ann were >md in Macoupin, >Illinois on the way to Kansas. Does anyone connect to these Bowlings? Their >mother's name could have been Mary, but that is not verified. They both >state that they were born in TN and not KY. > >Ruth Hall's mother, Barbara, wife of David Hall, was Native American. John >C. White's mother >was Natichia, also Native American. {I think I have the generations >correct} Now that records for >Native Americans seem to be coming forth, can you suggest the best way to >find which tribes or nations, these two women would have been part of. (Off >hand, I could assume Cherokee, but that would be foolish.) Any ideas or >suggestions that you might have would be very appreciated. > >And to all you listers, I have learned so much about Wartburg and TN from >all of your sharing. >The funny thing is that these are my Mom's lines, Flora was her grandmother, >and recently I >realized that my Dad's 2nd and 3rd great grandparents were over in Jefferson >County, not too far >away - William McCulley born 1790, and Tobias Wilhelm (1760?-1814 in AL) and >his daughter >Aisley Wilhelm. These families emigrated down to Paint Rock, Jackson, AL. >I want to thank all of you for the historical information and good advice >and ideas that you share. > >May you all have a safe, peaceful, healthy, and loving Christmastime and be >blessed for all of >your kindnesses, especially to us Westerners, who have been in Northern >Indiana for a 3rd of a >Century. Sure would be tempting to come your way for Christmas, if those >darling little granddaughters weren't out West. Oh Well - Maybe next Spring >or Fall. > >Thanks again Edna. > >Susan Eppich >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Edna P Ward" <EPWARD@highland.net> >To: <TNMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 6:34 PM >Subject: Re: [TNMORGAN] Blank Census Forms > > >> >> >> >> You can order from Morgan Co. Library any Census Record Book you like. >> They have 1820-1830-1840-1850(1850 tells you head of household and names >of >> wife and children and approx. age of children and where they were born). >> They also have 1860-1870-1880- 1900 vol 1 and vol II and 1910 and 1920. >Not >> too costly either. >> >> I have those and Cemetery Records and Old Marriage Records by Miss Ethel >> Freytag.. >> >> Edna P. Ward >> EPWARD@Highland.Net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> At 01:25 PM 12/8/2003 -0800, you wrote: >> >Can anyone tell me where I can get census forms off of the net that match >> the orignial census blanks so I will know what to put where. Thanks Pat >> > >> > >> >==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== >> >SUPPORT OUR TROOPS! GOD BLESS AMERICA >> > >> >============================== >> >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >> go to: >> >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > >> > >> JOHN HOLLOWAY FIRST FAMILIES OF TENNESSEEE >> >> >> ==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== >> Morgan County Books: >> http://www.tngenweb.org/morgan/MorganCountyBooks.html >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > > > >==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== >Morgan County Books: >http://www.tngenweb.org/morgan/MorganCountyBooks.html > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > JOHN HOLLOWAY FIRST FAMILIES OF TENNESSEEE

No info for Bowlings, Sorry. I will keep looking. Edna At 09:00 PM 12/8/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Dear Edna, > >Just read your latest email and it occurred to me that you might have some >ideas of >where to steer me next, or perhaps those books you mentioned may have some >gems >for me. I was extremely fortunate to connect with Morgan T. a few years >before he died, and he >sent me much of his data. But he didn't hold out much hope for what I need, >so it may be silly >for me to inquire. > >My gg grandfather was Ferdinand Heydemann who emigrated on an ill-fated ship >in 1847 which almost didn't make it to land. He was one of the earlier >workers, storekeepers and landowners >of Wartburg and then md John C. White and Ruth Hall White's daughter Ann C >White. He was >murdered in 1856. Morgan didn't think that there was any record of where he >was buried or any >marriage record for he and Ann White as 'sherman' and his men had been >through there. > >So, where he might be buried would be my first question? > >I also cannot find the origins of George D. Bowling (1834) and his brother >Thomas B. Bowling, who were >probably friends of the Whites or Halls. He later marries Ann and becomes >the step-father of her >daughters, Ann and Flora and they move to Kansas City, KS. He and Ann were >md in Macoupin, >Illinois on the way to Kansas. Does anyone connect to these Bowlings? Their >mother's name could have been Mary, but that is not verified. They both >state that they were born in TN and not KY. > >Ruth Hall's mother, Barbara, wife of David Hall, was Native American. John >C. White's mother >was Natichia, also Native American. {I think I have the generations >correct} Now that records for >Native Americans seem to be coming forth, can you suggest the best way to >find which tribes or nations, these two women would have been part of. (Off >hand, I could assume Cherokee, but that would be foolish.) Any ideas or >suggestions that you might have would be very appreciated. > >And to all you listers, I have learned so much about Wartburg and TN from >all of your sharing. >The funny thing is that these are my Mom's lines, Flora was her grandmother, >and recently I >realized that my Dad's 2nd and 3rd great grandparents were over in Jefferson >County, not too far >away - William McCulley born 1790, and Tobias Wilhelm (1760?-1814 in AL) and >his daughter >Aisley Wilhelm. These families emigrated down to Paint Rock, Jackson, AL. >I want to thank all of you for the historical information and good advice >and ideas that you share. > >May you all have a safe, peaceful, healthy, and loving Christmastime and be >blessed for all of >your kindnesses, especially to us Westerners, who have been in Northern >Indiana for a 3rd of a >Century. Sure would be tempting to come your way for Christmas, if those >darling little granddaughters weren't out West. Oh Well - Maybe next Spring >or Fall. > >Thanks again Edna. > >Susan Eppich >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Edna P Ward" <EPWARD@highland.net> >To: <TNMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 6:34 PM >Subject: Re: [TNMORGAN] Blank Census Forms > > >> >> >> >> You can order from Morgan Co. Library any Census Record Book you like. >> They have 1820-1830-1840-1850(1850 tells you head of household and names >of >> wife and children and approx. age of children and where they were born). >> They also have 1860-1870-1880- 1900 vol 1 and vol II and 1910 and 1920. >Not >> too costly either. >> >> I have those and Cemetery Records and Old Marriage Records by Miss Ethel >> Freytag.. >> >> Edna P. Ward >> EPWARD@Highland.Net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> At 01:25 PM 12/8/2003 -0800, you wrote: >> >Can anyone tell me where I can get census forms off of the net that match >> the orignial census blanks so I will know what to put where. Thanks Pat >> > >> > >> >==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== >> >SUPPORT OUR TROOPS! GOD BLESS AMERICA >> > >> >============================== >> >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >> go to: >> >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > >> > >> JOHN HOLLOWAY FIRST FAMILIES OF TENNESSEEE >> >> >> ==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== >> Morgan County Books: >> http://www.tngenweb.org/morgan/MorganCountyBooks.html >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > > > >==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== >Morgan County Books: >http://www.tngenweb.org/morgan/MorganCountyBooks.html > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > JOHN HOLLOWAY FIRST FAMILIES OF TENNESSEEE

There are some Newspaper Clippings on:http://www.tngenweb.org/morgan That would be a good place to search. At 09:00 PM 12/8/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Dear Edna, > >Just read your latest email and it occurred to me that you might have some >ideas of >where to steer me next, or perhaps those books you mentioned may have some >gems >for me. I was extremely fortunate to connect with Morgan T. a few years >before he died, and he >sent me much of his data. But he didn't hold out much hope for what I need, >so it may be silly >for me to inquire. > >My gg grandfather was Ferdinand Heydemann who emigrated on an ill-fated ship >in 1847 which almost didn't make it to land. He was one of the earlier >workers, storekeepers and landowners >of Wartburg and then md John C. White and Ruth Hall White's daughter Ann C >White. He was >murdered in 1856. Morgan didn't think that there was any record of where he >was buried or any >marriage record for he and Ann White as 'sherman' and his men had been >through there. > >So, where he might be buried would be my first question? > >I also cannot find the origins of George D. Bowling (1834) and his brother >Thomas B. Bowling, who were >probably friends of the Whites or Halls. He later marries Ann and becomes >the step-father of her >daughters, Ann and Flora and they move to Kansas City, KS. He and Ann were >md in Macoupin, >Illinois on the way to Kansas. Does anyone connect to these Bowlings? Their >mother's name could have been Mary, but that is not verified. They both >state that they were born in TN and not KY. > >Ruth Hall's mother, Barbara, wife of David Hall, was Native American. John >C. White's mother >was Natichia, also Native American. {I think I have the generations >correct} Now that records for >Native Americans seem to be coming forth, can you suggest the best way to >find which tribes or nations, these two women would have been part of. (Off >hand, I could assume Cherokee, but that would be foolish.) Any ideas or >suggestions that you might have would be very appreciated. > >And to all you listers, I have learned so much about Wartburg and TN from >all of your sharing. >The funny thing is that these are my Mom's lines, Flora was her grandmother, >and recently I >realized that my Dad's 2nd and 3rd great grandparents were over in Jefferson >County, not too far >away - William McCulley born 1790, and Tobias Wilhelm (1760?-1814 in AL) and >his daughter >Aisley Wilhelm. These families emigrated down to Paint Rock, Jackson, AL. >I want to thank all of you for the historical information and good advice >and ideas that you share. > >May you all have a safe, peaceful, healthy, and loving Christmastime and be >blessed for all of >your kindnesses, especially to us Westerners, who have been in Northern >Indiana for a 3rd of a >Century. Sure would be tempting to come your way for Christmas, if those >darling little granddaughters weren't out West. Oh Well - Maybe next Spring >or Fall. > >Thanks again Edna. > >Susan Eppich >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Edna P Ward" <EPWARD@highland.net> >To: <TNMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 6:34 PM >Subject: Re: [TNMORGAN] Blank Census Forms > > >> >> >> >> You can order from Morgan Co. Library any Census Record Book you like. >> They have 1820-1830-1840-1850(1850 tells you head of household and names >of >> wife and children and approx. age of children and where they were born). >> They also have 1860-1870-1880- 1900 vol 1 and vol II and 1910 and 1920. >Not >> too costly either. >> >> I have those and Cemetery Records and Old Marriage Records by Miss Ethel >> Freytag.. >> >> Edna P. Ward >> EPWARD@Highland.Net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> At 01:25 PM 12/8/2003 -0800, you wrote: >> >Can anyone tell me where I can get census forms off of the net that match >> the orignial census blanks so I will know what to put where. Thanks Pat >> > >> > >> >==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== >> >SUPPORT OUR TROOPS! GOD BLESS AMERICA >> > >> >============================== >> >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >> go to: >> >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > >> > >> JOHN HOLLOWAY FIRST FAMILIES OF TENNESSEEE >> >> >> ==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== >> Morgan County Books: >> http://www.tngenweb.org/morgan/MorganCountyBooks.html >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > > > >==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== >Morgan County Books: >http://www.tngenweb.org/morgan/MorganCountyBooks.html > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > JOHN HOLLOWAY FIRST FAMILIES OF TENNESSEEE