Frank Heydeman is shown in 1850 Census Records. He is 36 yrs old. And a Laborer from Germany. Shows he had 400 acres of Land. He is shown alone. This is all I could find on him in 1850. At 09:00 PM 12/8/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Dear Edna, > >Just read your latest email and it occurred to me that you might have some >ideas of >where to steer me next, or perhaps those books you mentioned may have some >gems >for me. I was extremely fortunate to connect with Morgan T. a few years >before he died, and he >sent me much of his data. But he didn't hold out much hope for what I need, >so it may be silly >for me to inquire. > >My gg grandfather was Ferdinand Heydemann who emigrated on an ill-fated ship >in 1847 which almost didn't make it to land. He was one of the earlier >workers, storekeepers and landowners >of Wartburg and then md John C. White and Ruth Hall White's daughter Ann C >White. He was >murdered in 1856. Morgan didn't think that there was any record of where he >was buried or any >marriage record for he and Ann White as 'sherman' and his men had been >through there. > >So, where he might be buried would be my first question? > >I also cannot find the origins of George D. Bowling (1834) and his brother >Thomas B. Bowling, who were >probably friends of the Whites or Halls. He later marries Ann and becomes >the step-father of her >daughters, Ann and Flora and they move to Kansas City, KS. He and Ann were >md in Macoupin, >Illinois on the way to Kansas. Does anyone connect to these Bowlings? Their >mother's name could have been Mary, but that is not verified. They both >state that they were born in TN and not KY. > >Ruth Hall's mother, Barbara, wife of David Hall, was Native American. John >C. White's mother >was Natichia, also Native American. {I think I have the generations >correct} Now that records for >Native Americans seem to be coming forth, can you suggest the best way to >find which tribes or nations, these two women would have been part of. (Off >hand, I could assume Cherokee, but that would be foolish.) Any ideas or >suggestions that you might have would be very appreciated. > >And to all you listers, I have learned so much about Wartburg and TN from >all of your sharing. >The funny thing is that these are my Mom's lines, Flora was her grandmother, >and recently I >realized that my Dad's 2nd and 3rd great grandparents were over in Jefferson >County, not too far >away - William McCulley born 1790, and Tobias Wilhelm (1760?-1814 in AL) and >his daughter >Aisley Wilhelm. These families emigrated down to Paint Rock, Jackson, AL. >I want to thank all of you for the historical information and good advice >and ideas that you share. > >May you all have a safe, peaceful, healthy, and loving Christmastime and be >blessed for all of >your kindnesses, especially to us Westerners, who have been in Northern >Indiana for a 3rd of a >Century. Sure would be tempting to come your way for Christmas, if those >darling little granddaughters weren't out West. Oh Well - Maybe next Spring >or Fall. > >Thanks again Edna. > >Susan Eppich >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Edna P Ward" <EPWARD@highland.net> >To: <TNMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 6:34 PM >Subject: Re: [TNMORGAN] Blank Census Forms > > >> >> >> >> You can order from Morgan Co. Library any Census Record Book you like. >> They have 1820-1830-1840-1850(1850 tells you head of household and names >of >> wife and children and approx. age of children and where they were born). >> They also have 1860-1870-1880- 1900 vol 1 and vol II and 1910 and 1920. >Not >> too costly either. >> >> I have those and Cemetery Records and Old Marriage Records by Miss Ethel >> Freytag.. >> >> Edna P. Ward >> EPWARD@Highland.Net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> At 01:25 PM 12/8/2003 -0800, you wrote: >> >Can anyone tell me where I can get census forms off of the net that match >> the orignial census blanks so I will know what to put where. Thanks Pat >> > >> > >> >==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== >> >SUPPORT OUR TROOPS! GOD BLESS AMERICA >> > >> >============================== >> >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >> go to: >> >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > >> > >> JOHN HOLLOWAY FIRST FAMILIES OF TENNESSEEE >> >> >> ==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== >> Morgan County Books: >> http://www.tngenweb.org/morgan/MorganCountyBooks.html >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > > > >==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== >Morgan County Books: >http://www.tngenweb.org/morgan/MorganCountyBooks.html > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > JOHN HOLLOWAY FIRST FAMILIES OF TENNESSEEE

Edna, Thank you so much for your answers. I have seen some of what you sent, but the Native American info has brought new ideas to me. As far as we can tell, Ann went to Chattanooga to have her children, as that is where my first breakthrough happened several years ago when a dear friend, knowing how important census records are, found that my Flora was indeed born in Chattanooga but was from Wartburg. I had been through nearly every record there was in Hamilton County, finding no connections. It seems now that the grandchildren, including 'Ruben Laymance" were at the grandparents the day that the census taker came. There is also a chance that George D. Bowling and Ann White Heydemann Bowling were on their way to get things settled in KS for them to live there. Kansas City barely received statehood before the Civil War began in 1861. It was still quite a small community, and in its childhood. The funny thing is that my grandmother did not know the correct names of her grandparents. She had pictures sent when her mother was md in 1876 from George Frederic Heydemann and his wife Mathilde Dornfeldt Heydemann (1825- ) and a picture of their daughter Clara born about 1845 in Germany. She thought this couple were her grandparents. Somehow she didn't realize that Ferdinand and Ann White Bowling were her grandparents. Fortunately, she did keep all the pictures, some of whom I have no idea who they are. From the time I was a teen in the 50's and visited her in the summers and when she lived with us in later years, I always asked her to tell me what she knew. She actually had done a very good job, as the notes I took have seemed to be right on the mark. But in this area it completely led me astray. Perhaps the fact that George D. Bowling was her step-grandfather and she knew about , having lived in the same community as him. He and Ann had died before or about the time she was born in 1885. But she had much association with George and Ann's children and Thomas B. Bowling's father. Then Flora, her mother died in Kansas City, in May of 1898, when my grandmother had just turned 13. Boy! I surely got rambling. Guess I need to scan these pictures and see if anyone in the Hall or White families sees a connection. Some of them could be the Bowlings, but the cousin out in California will probably be able to straighten that out. Thanks so much for your suggestions. Susan E ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna P Ward" <EPWARD@highland.net> To: <TNMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [TNMORGAN] Blank Census Forms > Frank Heydeman is shown in 1850 Census Records. He is 36 yrs old. And a > Laborer from Germany. Shows he had 400 acres of Land. > > He is shown alone. > > This is all I could find on him in 1850. > > > > > > > > > At 09:00 PM 12/8/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >Dear Edna, > > > >Just read your latest email and it occurred to me that you might have some > >ideas of > >where to steer me next, or perhaps those books you mentioned may have some > >gems > >for me. I was extremely fortunate to connect with Morgan T. a few years > >before he died, and he > >sent me much of his data. But he didn't hold out much hope for what I need, > >so it may be silly > >for me to inquire. > > > >My gg grandfather was Ferdinand Heydemann who emigrated on an ill-fated ship > >in 1847 which almost didn't make it to land. He was one of the earlier > >workers, storekeepers and landowners > >of Wartburg and then md John C. White and Ruth Hall White's daughter Ann C > >White. He was > >murdered in 1856. Morgan didn't think that there was any record of where he > >was buried or any > >marriage record for he and Ann White as 'sherman' and his men had been > >through there. > > > >So, where he might be buried would be my first question? > > > >I also cannot find the origins of George D. Bowling (1834) and his brother > >Thomas B. Bowling, who were > >probably friends of the Whites or Halls. He later marries Ann and becomes > >the step-father of her > >daughters, Ann and Flora and they move to Kansas City, KS. He and Ann were > >md in Macoupin, > >Illinois on the way to Kansas. Does anyone connect to these Bowlings? Their > >mother's name could have been Mary, but that is not verified. They both > >state that they were born in TN and not KY. > > > >Ruth Hall's mother, Barbara, wife of David Hall, was Native American. John > >C. White's mother > >was Natichia, also Native American. {I think I have the generations > >correct} Now that records for > >Native Americans seem to be coming forth, can you suggest the best way to > >find which tribes or nations, these two women would have been part of. (Off > >hand, I could assume Cherokee, but that would be foolish.) Any ideas or > >suggestions that you might have would be very appreciated. > > > >And to all you listers, I have learned so much about Wartburg and TN from > >all of your sharing. > >The funny thing is that these are my Mom's lines, Flora was her grandmother, > >and recently I > >realized that my Dad's 2nd and 3rd great grandparents were over in Jefferson > >County, not too far > >away - William McCulley born 1790, and Tobias Wilhelm (1760?-1814 in AL) and > >his daughter > >Aisley Wilhelm. These families emigrated down to Paint Rock, Jackson, AL. > >I want to thank all of you for the historical information and good advice > >and ideas that you share. > > > >May you all have a safe, peaceful, healthy, and loving Christmastime and be > >blessed for all of > >your kindnesses, especially to us Westerners, who have been in Northern > >Indiana for a 3rd of a > >Century. Sure would be tempting to come your way for Christmas, if those > >darling little granddaughters weren't out West. Oh Well - Maybe next Spring > >or Fall. > > > >Thanks again Edna. > > > >Susan Eppich > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Edna P Ward" <EPWARD@highland.net> > >To: <TNMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 6:34 PM > >Subject: Re: [TNMORGAN] Blank Census Forms > > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> You can order from Morgan Co. Library any Census Record Book you like. > >> They have 1820-1830-1840-1850(1850 tells you head of household and names > >of > >> wife and children and approx. age of children and where they were born). > >> They also have 1860-1870-1880- 1900 vol 1 and vol II and 1910 and 1920. > >Not > >> too costly either. > >> > >> I have those and Cemetery Records and Old Marriage Records by Miss Ethel > >> Freytag.. > >> > >> Edna P. Ward > >> EPWARD@Highland.Net > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> At 01:25 PM 12/8/2003 -0800, you wrote: > >> >Can anyone tell me where I can get census forms off of the net that match > >> the orignial census blanks so I will know what to put where. Thanks Pat > >> > > >> > > >> >==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== > >> >SUPPORT OUR TROOPS! 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