----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Hallman <dixierose@alltel.net> To: <TNMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 7:54 PM Subject: [TNMORGAN] Hall Scott Webb And so on > Hi Cathy, > > I just looked and I have some of your husband family in my data base. It > looks like my line on the Scotts and Halls to > Martin and Nancy Webb Hall. My line from the Scotts is: Nancy Emma Scott > Freels to Russell Scott to Samuel Scott and then Thomas Scott > (Revolutionary War Soldier). I believe I got some of the information from > Margaret Scott before she died. I have as far as Emma Hall. > > Don't worry about reading the information wrong. I read stuff wrong all > the time! Maybe when I get the penion application, it will > give me some more clues. > > Now........do you have any proof of the parents of John Webb that was > married to Nancy Hall (daughter of Martin & Choe Hendrix Hall)? I feel > like his father was Cutherath Webb but I have not found any proof. John 's > parents have really been a brick wall for me. > > Thanks for all your help. > > Linda > > > Visit our webpages: > > Thomaston Upson Archives: http://home.alltel.net/tuarch > > Dixie Rose's Homepage: http://home.alltel.net/ehallman > > > ==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== > List Administrator > Julie Cromwell > janncromwell@highland.net > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Veronica, Keep up the good work on the cemeteries. You're doing a great job. On the comment of coming to America, I have a friend who is second generation Sicilian. Everything she found had to be translated into English. That made me appreciate my English roots when I started on my line. Gerry ----- Original Message ----- From: Veronica <VSchaar@direcway.com> To: <TNMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [TNMORGAN] Question on cemeteries.... > Teddie, > > There are several reasons why the Branstetter Cemetery wouldn't be listed. > First, if noone has donated any pics to the TnGenWeb project those pics > wouldn't be listed. It wouldn't be listed on the > www.geocities.com/morgancountycemeteries site if the pics haven't been > donated or I havent been to the cemetery to take the pictures yet. Where is > the cemetery in question? I'll be happy to add it to my current list of > cemeteries and get it pictured as soon as I can get a moment to get to it. > > On your comment about others coming to America. I know first hand how they > feel, my Daddy is German, born and raised in Bremen, he came to the United > States about 50 years ago. Growing up, he'd tell stories of his childhood, > and of course us kids would think, "Oh no, not again".... Most teenagers > do. But now that I'm grown I enjoy listening to my Dad tell the stories of > how things were when he grew up over there. Its really a learning > experience. > > Veronica > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Teddie Cazier" <tcazier@atmel.com> > To: <TNMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 9:45 PM > Subject: [TNMORGAN] Question on cemeteries.... > > > > I am wondering how come the Branstetter Cemetery is not listed? Seems > like an awful lot of folk that are connected in some way or another. > > > > Also... > > > > > > As I read over the emails I am touched by all of you folks out there that > are dilegently looking for your ancestors. I was thinking a day or so ago > about how we are all a little of this and that, (German, Irish, Cherokee, > Italian and on and on) Anyway.. As I have spent the past 8 years in San > Jose California I have had the opportunity to meet several people that have > recently migrated to America and are 1st and 2nd generations to the U.S. It > is fascinating to think of how it must have been years ago when our families > migrated compared to now. > > > > Just thoughts as I read emails each day. > > > > Keep up the good work. > > > > Teddie Smith Cazier > > Chester Lee Smith's daughterand > > Everett Smith and Gracie Branstetter's Grandaughter > > > > > > ==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== > > Morgan County Books: > > http://www.tngenweb.org/morgan/MorganCountyBooks.html > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== > SUPPORT OUR TROOPS! GOD BLESS AMERICA > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I will have to pull up my Grandma Gracie Smith's address. It is down the road from her place across the street from a church. I know it has an incredible amount of folk there. When I hear some of the names that are talked about I recognize them with some of the names I have seen at the cemetery. This might be a gold mine for someone. There is also a cemetery about by a fellow by the last name Cooper that maybe helpful to some folks too. I will get the address for you tonight. Teddie Smith Cazier ----- Original Message ----- From: "Veronica" <VSchaar@direcway.com> To: <TNMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [TNMORGAN] Question on cemeteries.... > Teddie, > > There are several reasons why the Branstetter Cemetery wouldn't be listed. > First, if noone has donated any pics to the TnGenWeb project those pics > wouldn't be listed. It wouldn't be listed on the > www.geocities.com/morgancountycemeteries site if the pics haven't been > donated or I havent been to the cemetery to take the pictures yet. Where is > the cemetery in question? I'll be happy to add it to my current list of > cemeteries and get it pictured as soon as I can get a moment to get to it. > > On your comment about others coming to America. I know first hand how they > feel, my Daddy is German, born and raised in Bremen, he came to the United > States about 50 years ago. Growing up, he'd tell stories of his childhood, > and of course us kids would think, "Oh no, not again".... Most teenagers > do. But now that I'm grown I enjoy listening to my Dad tell the stories of > how things were when he grew up over there. Its really a learning > experience. > > Veronica > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Teddie Cazier" <tcazier@atmel.com> > To: <TNMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 9:45 PM > Subject: [TNMORGAN] Question on cemeteries.... > > > > I am wondering how come the Branstetter Cemetery is not listed? Seems > like an awful lot of folk that are connected in some way or another. > > > > Also... > > > > > > As I read over the emails I am touched by all of you folks out there that > are dilegently looking for your ancestors. I was thinking a day or so ago > about how we are all a little of this and that, (German, Irish, Cherokee, > Italian and on and on) Anyway.. As I have spent the past 8 years in San > Jose California I have had the opportunity to meet several people that have > recently migrated to America and are 1st and 2nd generations to the U.S. It > is fascinating to think of how it must have been years ago when our families > migrated compared to now. > > > > Just thoughts as I read emails each day. > > > > Keep up the good work. > > > > Teddie Smith Cazier > > Chester Lee Smith's daughterand > > Everett Smith and Gracie Branstetter's Grandaughter > > > > > > ==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== > > Morgan County Books: > > http://www.tngenweb.org/morgan/MorganCountyBooks.html > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== > SUPPORT OUR TROOPS! GOD BLESS AMERICA > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Edna I'd be real interested in any information on the 1820 census. I was under the impression that the 1820 census for Morgan County, as well as for most of the rest of East Tennessee, was destroyed at some time in the past. Since I had at least one set of 3rd great grandparents in Morgan County in 1820, and several in other East Tennessee counties, I'd love to get my hands on this information. Ernie Hurst > [Original Message] > From: Edna P Ward <EPWARD@highland.net> > To: <TNMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 12/8/2003 6:42:13 PM > Subject: Re: [TNMORGAN] Blank Census Forms > > > > > You can order from Morgan Co. Library any Census Record Book you like. > They have 1820-1830-1840-1850(1850 tells you head of household and names of > wife and children and approx. age of children and where they were born). > They also have 1860-1870-1880- 1900 vol 1 and vol II and 1910 and 1920. Not > too costly either. > > I have those and Cemetery Records and Old Marriage Records by Miss Ethel > Freytag.. > > Edna P. Ward > EPWARD@Highland.Net > > > > > > > > > > At 01:25 PM 12/8/2003 -0800, you wrote: > >Can anyone tell me where I can get census forms off of the net that match > the orignial census blanks so I will know what to put where. Thanks Pat > > > > > >==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== > >SUPPORT OUR TROOPS! GOD BLESS AMERICA > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > JOHN HOLLOWAY FIRST FAMILIES OF TENNESSEEE > > > ==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== > Morgan County Books: > http://www.tngenweb.org/morgan/MorganCountyBooks.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

thanks Milly I can never find that page when I need it! Bev Gray

Edna, Thank you so much for your answers. I have seen some of what you sent, but the Native American info has brought new ideas to me. As far as we can tell, Ann went to Chattanooga to have her children, as that is where my first breakthrough happened several years ago when a dear friend, knowing how important census records are, found that my Flora was indeed born in Chattanooga but was from Wartburg. I had been through nearly every record there was in Hamilton County, finding no connections. It seems now that the grandchildren, including 'Ruben Laymance" were at the grandparents the day that the census taker came. There is also a chance that George D. Bowling and Ann White Heydemann Bowling were on their way to get things settled in KS for them to live there. Kansas City barely received statehood before the Civil War began in 1861. It was still quite a small community, and in its childhood. The funny thing is that my grandmother did not know the correct names of her grandparents. She had pictures sent when her mother was md in 1876 from George Frederic Heydemann and his wife Mathilde Dornfeldt Heydemann (1825- ) and a picture of their daughter Clara born about 1845 in Germany. She thought this couple were her grandparents. Somehow she didn't realize that Ferdinand and Ann White Bowling were her grandparents. Fortunately, she did keep all the pictures, some of whom I have no idea who they are. From the time I was a teen in the 50's and visited her in the summers and when she lived with us in later years, I always asked her to tell me what she knew. She actually had done a very good job, as the notes I took have seemed to be right on the mark. But in this area it completely led me astray. Perhaps the fact that George D. Bowling was her step-grandfather and she knew about , having lived in the same community as him. He and Ann had died before or about the time she was born in 1885. But she had much association with George and Ann's children and Thomas B. Bowling's father. Then Flora, her mother died in Kansas City, in May of 1898, when my grandmother had just turned 13. Boy! I surely got rambling. Guess I need to scan these pictures and see if anyone in the Hall or White families sees a connection. Some of them could be the Bowlings, but the cousin out in California will probably be able to straighten that out. Thanks so much for your suggestions. Susan E ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna P Ward" <EPWARD@highland.net> To: <TNMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [TNMORGAN] Blank Census Forms > Frank Heydeman is shown in 1850 Census Records. He is 36 yrs old. And a > Laborer from Germany. Shows he had 400 acres of Land. > > He is shown alone. > > This is all I could find on him in 1850. > > > > > > > > > At 09:00 PM 12/8/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >Dear Edna, > > > >Just read your latest email and it occurred to me that you might have some > >ideas of > >where to steer me next, or perhaps those books you mentioned may have some > >gems > >for me. I was extremely fortunate to connect with Morgan T. a few years > >before he died, and he > >sent me much of his data. But he didn't hold out much hope for what I need, > >so it may be silly > >for me to inquire. > > > >My gg grandfather was Ferdinand Heydemann who emigrated on an ill-fated ship > >in 1847 which almost didn't make it to land. He was one of the earlier > >workers, storekeepers and landowners > >of Wartburg and then md John C. White and Ruth Hall White's daughter Ann C > >White. He was > >murdered in 1856. Morgan didn't think that there was any record of where he > >was buried or any > >marriage record for he and Ann White as 'sherman' and his men had been > >through there. > > > >So, where he might be buried would be my first question? > > > >I also cannot find the origins of George D. Bowling (1834) and his brother > >Thomas B. Bowling, who were > >probably friends of the Whites or Halls. He later marries Ann and becomes > >the step-father of her > >daughters, Ann and Flora and they move to Kansas City, KS. He and Ann were > >md in Macoupin, > >Illinois on the way to Kansas. Does anyone connect to these Bowlings? Their > >mother's name could have been Mary, but that is not verified. They both > >state that they were born in TN and not KY. > > > >Ruth Hall's mother, Barbara, wife of David Hall, was Native American. John > >C. White's mother > >was Natichia, also Native American. {I think I have the generations > >correct} Now that records for > >Native Americans seem to be coming forth, can you suggest the best way to > >find which tribes or nations, these two women would have been part of. (Off > >hand, I could assume Cherokee, but that would be foolish.) Any ideas or > >suggestions that you might have would be very appreciated. > > > >And to all you listers, I have learned so much about Wartburg and TN from > >all of your sharing. > >The funny thing is that these are my Mom's lines, Flora was her grandmother, > >and recently I > >realized that my Dad's 2nd and 3rd great grandparents were over in Jefferson > >County, not too far > >away - William McCulley born 1790, and Tobias Wilhelm (1760?-1814 in AL) and > >his daughter > >Aisley Wilhelm. These families emigrated down to Paint Rock, Jackson, AL. > >I want to thank all of you for the historical information and good advice > >and ideas that you share. > > > >May you all have a safe, peaceful, healthy, and loving Christmastime and be > >blessed for all of > >your kindnesses, especially to us Westerners, who have been in Northern > >Indiana for a 3rd of a > >Century. Sure would be tempting to come your way for Christmas, if those > >darling little granddaughters weren't out West. Oh Well - Maybe next Spring > >or Fall. > > > >Thanks again Edna. > > > >Susan Eppich > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Edna P Ward" <EPWARD@highland.net> > >To: <TNMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 6:34 PM > >Subject: Re: [TNMORGAN] Blank Census Forms > > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> You can order from Morgan Co. Library any Census Record Book you like. > >> They have 1820-1830-1840-1850(1850 tells you head of household and names > >of > >> wife and children and approx. age of children and where they were born). > >> They also have 1860-1870-1880- 1900 vol 1 and vol II and 1910 and 1920. > >Not > >> too costly either. > >> > >> I have those and Cemetery Records and Old Marriage Records by Miss Ethel > >> Freytag.. > >> > >> Edna P. Ward > >> EPWARD@Highland.Net > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> At 01:25 PM 12/8/2003 -0800, you wrote: > >> >Can anyone tell me where I can get census forms off of the net that match > >> the orignial census blanks so I will know what to put where. Thanks Pat > >> > > >> > > >> >==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== > >> >SUPPORT OUR TROOPS! GOD BLESS AMERICA > >> > > >> >============================== > >> >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >> go to: > >> >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >> > > >> > > >> JOHN HOLLOWAY FIRST FAMILIES OF TENNESSEEE > >> > >> > >> ==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== > >> Morgan County Books: > >> http://www.tngenweb.org/morgan/MorganCountyBooks.html > >> > >> ============================== > >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >go to: > >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >> > > > > > > > >==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== > >Morgan County Books: > >http://www.tngenweb.org/morgan/MorganCountyBooks.html > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > JOHN HOLLOWAY FIRST FAMILIES OF TENNESSEEE > > > ==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== > List Administrator > Julie Cromwell > janncromwell@highland.net > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Teddie, There are several reasons why the Branstetter Cemetery wouldn't be listed. First, if noone has donated any pics to the TnGenWeb project those pics wouldn't be listed. It wouldn't be listed on the www.geocities.com/morgancountycemeteries site if the pics haven't been donated or I havent been to the cemetery to take the pictures yet. Where is the cemetery in question? I'll be happy to add it to my current list of cemeteries and get it pictured as soon as I can get a moment to get to it. On your comment about others coming to America. I know first hand how they feel, my Daddy is German, born and raised in Bremen, he came to the United States about 50 years ago. Growing up, he'd tell stories of his childhood, and of course us kids would think, "Oh no, not again".... Most teenagers do. But now that I'm grown I enjoy listening to my Dad tell the stories of how things were when he grew up over there. Its really a learning experience. Veronica ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teddie Cazier" <tcazier@atmel.com> To: <TNMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 9:45 PM Subject: [TNMORGAN] Question on cemeteries.... > I am wondering how come the Branstetter Cemetery is not listed? Seems like an awful lot of folk that are connected in some way or another. > > Also... > > > As I read over the emails I am touched by all of you folks out there that are dilegently looking for your ancestors. I was thinking a day or so ago about how we are all a little of this and that, (German, Irish, Cherokee, Italian and on and on) Anyway.. As I have spent the past 8 years in San Jose California I have had the opportunity to meet several people that have recently migrated to America and are 1st and 2nd generations to the U.S. It is fascinating to think of how it must have been years ago when our families migrated compared to now. > > Just thoughts as I read emails each day. > > Keep up the good work. > > Teddie Smith Cazier > Chester Lee Smith's daughterand > Everett Smith and Gracie Branstetter's Grandaughter > > > ==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== > Morgan County Books: > http://www.tngenweb.org/morgan/MorganCountyBooks.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Cathy, I just looked and I have some of your husband family in my data base. It looks like my line on the Scotts and Halls to Martin and Nancy Webb Hall. My line from the Scotts is: Nancy Emma Scott Freels to Russell Scott to Samuel Scott and then Thomas Scott (Revolutionary War Soldier). I believe I got some of the information from Margaret Scott before she died. I have as far as Emma Hall. Don't worry about reading the information wrong. I read stuff wrong all the time! Maybe when I get the penion application, it will give me some more clues. Now........do you have any proof of the parents of John Webb that was married to Nancy Hall (daughter of Martin & Choe Hendrix Hall)? I feel like his father was Cutherath Webb but I have not found any proof. John 's parents have really been a brick wall for me. Thanks for all your help. Linda Visit our webpages: Thomaston Upson Archives: http://home.alltel.net/tuarch Dixie Rose's Homepage: http://home.alltel.net/ehallman

There are some Newspaper Clippings on:http://www.tngenweb.org/morgan That would be a good place to search. At 09:00 PM 12/8/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Dear Edna, > >Just read your latest email and it occurred to me that you might have some >ideas of >where to steer me next, or perhaps those books you mentioned may have some >gems >for me. I was extremely fortunate to connect with Morgan T. a few years >before he died, and he >sent me much of his data. But he didn't hold out much hope for what I need, >so it may be silly >for me to inquire. > >My gg grandfather was Ferdinand Heydemann who emigrated on an ill-fated ship >in 1847 which almost didn't make it to land. He was one of the earlier >workers, storekeepers and landowners >of Wartburg and then md John C. White and Ruth Hall White's daughter Ann C >White. He was >murdered in 1856. Morgan didn't think that there was any record of where he >was buried or any >marriage record for he and Ann White as 'sherman' and his men had been >through there. > >So, where he might be buried would be my first question? > >I also cannot find the origins of George D. Bowling (1834) and his brother >Thomas B. Bowling, who were >probably friends of the Whites or Halls. He later marries Ann and becomes >the step-father of her >daughters, Ann and Flora and they move to Kansas City, KS. He and Ann were >md in Macoupin, >Illinois on the way to Kansas. Does anyone connect to these Bowlings? Their >mother's name could have been Mary, but that is not verified. They both >state that they were born in TN and not KY. > >Ruth Hall's mother, Barbara, wife of David Hall, was Native American. John >C. White's mother >was Natichia, also Native American. {I think I have the generations >correct} Now that records for >Native Americans seem to be coming forth, can you suggest the best way to >find which tribes or nations, these two women would have been part of. (Off >hand, I could assume Cherokee, but that would be foolish.) Any ideas or >suggestions that you might have would be very appreciated. > >And to all you listers, I have learned so much about Wartburg and TN from >all of your sharing. >The funny thing is that these are my Mom's lines, Flora was her grandmother, >and recently I >realized that my Dad's 2nd and 3rd great grandparents were over in Jefferson >County, not too far >away - William McCulley born 1790, and Tobias Wilhelm (1760?-1814 in AL) and >his daughter >Aisley Wilhelm. These families emigrated down to Paint Rock, Jackson, AL. >I want to thank all of you for the historical information and good advice >and ideas that you share. > >May you all have a safe, peaceful, healthy, and loving Christmastime and be >blessed for all of >your kindnesses, especially to us Westerners, who have been in Northern >Indiana for a 3rd of a >Century. Sure would be tempting to come your way for Christmas, if those >darling little granddaughters weren't out West. Oh Well - Maybe next Spring >or Fall. > >Thanks again Edna. > >Susan Eppich >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Edna P Ward" <EPWARD@highland.net> >To: <TNMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 6:34 PM >Subject: Re: [TNMORGAN] Blank Census Forms > > >> >> >> >> You can order from Morgan Co. Library any Census Record Book you like. >> They have 1820-1830-1840-1850(1850 tells you head of household and names >of >> wife and children and approx. age of children and where they were born). >> They also have 1860-1870-1880- 1900 vol 1 and vol II and 1910 and 1920. >Not >> too costly either. >> >> I have those and Cemetery Records and Old Marriage Records by Miss Ethel >> Freytag.. >> >> Edna P. Ward >> EPWARD@Highland.Net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> At 01:25 PM 12/8/2003 -0800, you wrote: >> >Can anyone tell me where I can get census forms off of the net that match >> the orignial census blanks so I will know what to put where. Thanks Pat >> > >> > >> >==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== >> >SUPPORT OUR TROOPS! GOD BLESS AMERICA >> > >> >============================== >> >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >> go to: >> >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > >> > >> JOHN HOLLOWAY FIRST FAMILIES OF TENNESSEEE >> >> >> ==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== >> Morgan County Books: >> http://www.tngenweb.org/morgan/MorganCountyBooks.html >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > > > >==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== >Morgan County Books: >http://www.tngenweb.org/morgan/MorganCountyBooks.html > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > JOHN HOLLOWAY FIRST FAMILIES OF TENNESSEEE

No info for Bowlings, Sorry. I will keep looking. Edna At 09:00 PM 12/8/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Dear Edna, > >Just read your latest email and it occurred to me that you might have some >ideas of >where to steer me next, or perhaps those books you mentioned may have some >gems >for me. I was extremely fortunate to connect with Morgan T. a few years >before he died, and he >sent me much of his data. But he didn't hold out much hope for what I need, >so it may be silly >for me to inquire. > >My gg grandfather was Ferdinand Heydemann who emigrated on an ill-fated ship >in 1847 which almost didn't make it to land. He was one of the earlier >workers, storekeepers and landowners >of Wartburg and then md John C. White and Ruth Hall White's daughter Ann C >White. He was >murdered in 1856. Morgan didn't think that there was any record of where he >was buried or any >marriage record for he and Ann White as 'sherman' and his men had been >through there. > >So, where he might be buried would be my first question? > >I also cannot find the origins of George D. Bowling (1834) and his brother >Thomas B. Bowling, who were >probably friends of the Whites or Halls. He later marries Ann and becomes >the step-father of her >daughters, Ann and Flora and they move to Kansas City, KS. He and Ann were >md in Macoupin, >Illinois on the way to Kansas. Does anyone connect to these Bowlings? Their >mother's name could have been Mary, but that is not verified. They both >state that they were born in TN and not KY. > >Ruth Hall's mother, Barbara, wife of David Hall, was Native American. John >C. White's mother >was Natichia, also Native American. {I think I have the generations >correct} Now that records for >Native Americans seem to be coming forth, can you suggest the best way to >find which tribes or nations, these two women would have been part of. (Off >hand, I could assume Cherokee, but that would be foolish.) Any ideas or >suggestions that you might have would be very appreciated. > >And to all you listers, I have learned so much about Wartburg and TN from >all of your sharing. >The funny thing is that these are my Mom's lines, Flora was her grandmother, >and recently I >realized that my Dad's 2nd and 3rd great grandparents were over in Jefferson >County, not too far >away - William McCulley born 1790, and Tobias Wilhelm (1760?-1814 in AL) and >his daughter >Aisley Wilhelm. These families emigrated down to Paint Rock, Jackson, AL. >I want to thank all of you for the historical information and good advice >and ideas that you share. > >May you all have a safe, peaceful, healthy, and loving Christmastime and be >blessed for all of >your kindnesses, especially to us Westerners, who have been in Northern >Indiana for a 3rd of a >Century. Sure would be tempting to come your way for Christmas, if those >darling little granddaughters weren't out West. Oh Well - Maybe next Spring >or Fall. > >Thanks again Edna. > >Susan Eppich >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Edna P Ward" <EPWARD@highland.net> >To: <TNMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 6:34 PM >Subject: Re: [TNMORGAN] Blank Census Forms > > >> >> >> >> You can order from Morgan Co. Library any Census Record Book you like. >> They have 1820-1830-1840-1850(1850 tells you head of household and names >of >> wife and children and approx. age of children and where they were born). >> They also have 1860-1870-1880- 1900 vol 1 and vol II and 1910 and 1920. >Not >> too costly either. >> >> I have those and Cemetery Records and Old Marriage Records by Miss Ethel >> Freytag.. >> >> Edna P. Ward >> EPWARD@Highland.Net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> At 01:25 PM 12/8/2003 -0800, you wrote: >> >Can anyone tell me where I can get census forms off of the net that match >> the orignial census blanks so I will know what to put where. Thanks Pat >> > >> > >> >==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== >> >SUPPORT OUR TROOPS! GOD BLESS AMERICA >> > >> >============================== >> >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >> go to: >> >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > >> > >> JOHN HOLLOWAY FIRST FAMILIES OF TENNESSEEE >> >> >> ==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== >> Morgan County Books: >> http://www.tngenweb.org/morgan/MorganCountyBooks.html >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > > > >==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== >Morgan County Books: >http://www.tngenweb.org/morgan/MorganCountyBooks.html > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > JOHN HOLLOWAY FIRST FAMILIES OF TENNESSEEE

>From The Knoxville News Sentinel 9 Sep 2003 BOSHEARS, NORA ELIZABETH - age 87, of the Fairview Community in Huntsville, Tennessee, BURTON, PAULINE "POLLY'', age 86, of Clinton, HICKS, RACHEL CATHERINE - age 76, of Oneida, Tennessee, formerly of Newcomb, Tennessee, KING, CAROLYN SUE MCGHEE - MONDAY, JERRY ALLEN - age 55, of LaFollette, STEWART, HELEN GAMBLE - age 64, of Kingston ========================================= BOSHEARS, NORA ELIZABETH - age 87, of the Fairview Community in Huntsville, Tennessee, passed away on Sunday, December 7, 2003. She was born on December 24, 1915 in Claiborne County, Tennessee, the daughter of the late Rev. James M. and Grace Marlow Day. She was a member of Fairview Missionary Baptist Church. Preceded in death by husband, Ed Boshears, Sr.; one grandson, Gary Lee Jeffers; five brothers, Harold, James, John, Art and Paul; three sisters, Imogene, Mae and Evalee. Survived by four sons and daughters-in-law, Ed Boshears, Jr. and wife, Jennifer, Curtis and Ann, Gary and wife, Carol, all of the Fairview Community, Paul and wife, Patsy of Oneida; six daughters and sons-in-law, Bonnie and husband, Johnny Murley, Loretta and husband, Ray Hatfield, Janetta and husband, Ted Davis, Judy and husband, Junior Smith, all of the Fairview community, Kathleen and husband, J.D. Burke of Oneida and Geneva and husband, Floyd Hatfield, of Greentown, Ind.; three sisters, Violet Huddleston and Ruth Davis of Clairfield, TN an Grace Noland of Sevierville, TN; twenty-one grandchildren, Charlotte, Danny, Tammie, Brian, Randy, Katrina, Keith, Karen, Craig, Melissa, Suzanne, Chad, Casey, Cyndi, Brittany, Amy, Christy, Jessica, Lori, Angie and Randy; thirty-seven great-grandchildren; two great-great-grandsons; a very special friend, Florence Byrd; many nieces, nephews and friends. The funeral service will be conducted Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:00 p.m. at Fairview Missionary Baptist Church, Rev. Guy Ainsworth and Rev. Michael Ray Jeffers officiating. Burial will follow in Fairview Cemetery. The family will receive friends Tuesday evening from 6-9 p.m. at Jones and Son Funeral Home. Jones and Son Funeral Home, Oneida, Tennessee in charge. BURTON, PAULINE "POLLY'', age 86, of Clinton, passed away Sunday, December 7, 2003 at Briarcliff Health Care Center. She attended Clinton Church of God of Prophecy. She retired from Y-12 Union Carbide as a Lab Technician. Preceded in death by parents, Luther & Jessie Thornburg White. Born December 19, 1916 in Lenoir City, Tennessee. SURVIVORS: Son, R.C. Burton & wife Barbara of Clinton; Grandchildren; Kim Scattergood & husband Patrick of Clinton John F. Burton & wife Becky of Atlanta, GA. Jamie Irons & husband Jimmie of Clinton. 4 Great Grandchildren; Jeremiah, Jessica, Wesley & Madison; Nephew; Paul McFarland of Greenville, TN. The family will receive friends 5:00-7:00 PM, Tuesday, December 9, 2003 at Holley-Gamble Funeral Home with funeral services following in the chapel with Rev. Franklin Massengale officiating. The interment is 10:30 AM, Wednesday, at Anderson Memorial Garden. Holley-Gamble Funeral Home in Clinton in charge of all arrangements. HICKS, RACHEL CATHERINE - age 76, of Oneida, Tennessee, formerly of Newcomb, Tennessee, passed away Sunday, December 7, 2003 at Baptist Hospital in Knoxville, TN. Preceded in death by parents, Jonas and Sallie Hicks; brothers, Edgar and Clyde W. Hicks; sisters, Alice and Ethel Hicks and Etta Jeffers. Survivors: sisters, Eva Jeffers of Newcomb, TN, , Effie Allen and Glen of Oneida, TN; special friend, Rachel Allred of Pioneer, TN. The funeral service will be held 7:00 p.m. Tuesday, December 9, 2003 at Llewellyn Funeral Home Chapel in Jellico, Rev. Steve Morgan, Everett Jeffers and Jim Griffith officiating. Burial will be at 11:00 a.m. Wednesday, December 10, 2003 at Douglas Cemetery. Visitation is 5:00-7:00 p.m. Tuesday at the funeral home. Llewellyn Funeral Home of Jellico, in charge of arrangements. KING, CAROLYN SUE MCGHEE - July 27, 1940 to December 7, 2003. Born in Lake City to Clifford and Blanche McGhee. Survived by: son, Paul Erin King of Nashville: mother Blanche McGhee Duncan of Lake City and Nashville: brother Jack McGhee in Nashville: aunts Grace Grissom, Gladys Tallent, and Maude Glasscock: and uncle Rev. M.B. Gass. Funeral services will be held Wednesday, December 10, 2003, 2:30 p.m. at the Woodlawn Chapel of Roses. Interment will follow in Woodlawn Memorial Park. Friends received Tuesday 5:00 - 8:00 p.m. at Woodlawn Funeral Home, 660 Thompson Lane 383-4754. A Dignity Memorial Provider. MONDAY, JERRY ALLEN - age 55, of LaFollette, passed away Friday, December 5, 2003 at his home. He was a member of Coolidge First Baptist Church. Jerry had been with WLAF Radio for 18 years. Preceded in death by parents, Clayton and Nell (Miller) Monday. Survivors: daughters, Jennifer and husband, Mike Newman, of Knoxville and Becky Braden of Powell; grandchildren, Jordon, Taylor, Sam, Eli and Gavin; brother, Clarence Monday and wife, Deloris, of LaFollette. The funeral service will be 8:00 p.m. Tuesday, December 9, 2003 at Cross Funeral Home, Rev. Ronnie Arnold and Rev. Leonard Dabney officiating. Interment will be 11:00 a.m. Wednesday at Powell Valley Cemetery. The family will receive friends from 6-9 p.m. Tuesday prior to the funeral service. Cross Funeral Home in charge of arrangements. STEWART, HELEN GAMBLE - age 64, of Kingston and a former resident of Athens, passed away Sunday morning in a Kingston nursing home. She was a native of Anderson County, Tennessee and was the daughter of the late Ernest and Naomi Waddle Gamble. Preceded in death by her husband, Lowell Stewart, a former McMinn County manager. She was a member of Chapman Grove Baptist Church of Kingston, TN. Survivors: one daughter and son-in-law, Sandra and Jerry Elder of Newport News, VA; two sons, Lowell Tom Stewart, Jr. and Jeffrey Stewart, both of Lenoir City; three granddaughters, Christina and Kathleen Elder and Lindsey Stewart; three grandsons, Joshua and Justin Stewart and Gregory Elder; one sister, Linda Carr of Kingston, TN; two brothers, Harold Gamble of Kingsland, GA and Terry Gamble of Knoxville, TN. There will be a graveside service 11:00 a.m. Wednesday at McMinn Memory Gardens with Rev. Pete Mullins officiating. The body will lie in state at the funeral home after 3:00 p.m. Tuesday where the family will receive friends from 6:00-8:00 p.m. Pallbearers will be her grandsons and nephews. Jerry Smith Funeral Home is serving the family of Helen Gamble Stewart. ============================================ SUPPORT OUR TROOPS---FLY THE FLAG Count no day lost in which you have waited your turn, took only your share and sought advantage over no one.

It is showing a HEYDMANN with John and Rachel White in 1860 Census. Ann Heydmann 6 yrs old Flora Heydmann 4 yrs old. His wife may have died too. Since the children seemed to be raised by their Grandparents. At 09:00 PM 12/8/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Dear Edna, > >Just read your latest email and it occurred to me that you might have some >ideas of >where to steer me next, or perhaps those books you mentioned may have some >gems >for me. I was extremely fortunate to connect with Morgan T. a few years >before he died, and he >sent me much of his data. But he didn't hold out much hope for what I need, >so it may be silly >for me to inquire. > >My gg grandfather was Ferdinand Heydemann who emigrated on an ill-fated ship >in 1847 which almost didn't make it to land. He was one of the earlier >workers, storekeepers and landowners >of Wartburg and then md John C. White and Ruth Hall White's daughter Ann C >White. He was >murdered in 1856. Morgan didn't think that there was any record of where he >was buried or any >marriage record for he and Ann White as 'sherman' and his men had been >through there. > >So, where he might be buried would be my first question? > >I also cannot find the origins of George D. Bowling (1834) and his brother >Thomas B. Bowling, who were >probably friends of the Whites or Halls. He later marries Ann and becomes >the step-father of her >daughters, Ann and Flora and they move to Kansas City, KS. He and Ann were >md in Macoupin, >Illinois on the way to Kansas. Does anyone connect to these Bowlings? Their >mother's name could have been Mary, but that is not verified. They both >state that they were born in TN and not KY. > >Ruth Hall's mother, Barbara, wife of David Hall, was Native American. John >C. White's mother >was Natichia, also Native American. {I think I have the generations >correct} Now that records for >Native Americans seem to be coming forth, can you suggest the best way to >find which tribes or nations, these two women would have been part of. (Off >hand, I could assume Cherokee, but that would be foolish.) Any ideas or >suggestions that you might have would be very appreciated. > >And to all you listers, I have learned so much about Wartburg and TN from >all of your sharing. >The funny thing is that these are my Mom's lines, Flora was her grandmother, >and recently I >realized that my Dad's 2nd and 3rd great grandparents were over in Jefferson >County, not too far >away - William McCulley born 1790, and Tobias Wilhelm (1760?-1814 in AL) and >his daughter >Aisley Wilhelm. These families emigrated down to Paint Rock, Jackson, AL. >I want to thank all of you for the historical information and good advice >and ideas that you share. > >May you all have a safe, peaceful, healthy, and loving Christmastime and be >blessed for all of >your kindnesses, especially to us Westerners, who have been in Northern >Indiana for a 3rd of a >Century. Sure would be tempting to come your way for Christmas, if those >darling little granddaughters weren't out West. Oh Well - Maybe next Spring >or Fall. > >Thanks again Edna. > >Susan Eppich >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Edna P Ward" <EPWARD@highland.net> >To: <TNMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 6:34 PM >Subject: Re: [TNMORGAN] Blank Census Forms > > >> >> >> >> You can order from Morgan Co. Library any Census Record Book you like. >> They have 1820-1830-1840-1850(1850 tells you head of household and names >of >> wife and children and approx. age of children and where they were born). >> They also have 1860-1870-1880- 1900 vol 1 and vol II and 1910 and 1920. >Not >> too costly either. >> >> I have those and Cemetery Records and Old Marriage Records by Miss Ethel >> Freytag.. >> >> Edna P. Ward >> EPWARD@Highland.Net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> At 01:25 PM 12/8/2003 -0800, you wrote: >> >Can anyone tell me where I can get census forms off of the net that match >> the orignial census blanks so I will know what to put where. Thanks Pat >> > >> > >> >==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== >> >SUPPORT OUR TROOPS! GOD BLESS AMERICA >> > >> >============================== >> >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >> go to: >> >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > >> > >> JOHN HOLLOWAY FIRST FAMILIES OF TENNESSEEE >> >> >> ==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== >> Morgan County Books: >> http://www.tngenweb.org/morgan/MorganCountyBooks.html >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > > > >==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== >Morgan County Books: >http://www.tngenweb.org/morgan/MorganCountyBooks.html > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > JOHN HOLLOWAY FIRST FAMILIES OF TENNESSEEE

Frank Heydeman is shown in 1850 Census Records. He is 36 yrs old. And a Laborer from Germany. Shows he had 400 acres of Land. He is shown alone. This is all I could find on him in 1850. At 09:00 PM 12/8/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Dear Edna, > >Just read your latest email and it occurred to me that you might have some >ideas of >where to steer me next, or perhaps those books you mentioned may have some >gems >for me. I was extremely fortunate to connect with Morgan T. a few years >before he died, and he >sent me much of his data. But he didn't hold out much hope for what I need, >so it may be silly >for me to inquire. > >My gg grandfather was Ferdinand Heydemann who emigrated on an ill-fated ship >in 1847 which almost didn't make it to land. He was one of the earlier >workers, storekeepers and landowners >of Wartburg and then md John C. White and Ruth Hall White's daughter Ann C >White. He was >murdered in 1856. Morgan didn't think that there was any record of where he >was buried or any >marriage record for he and Ann White as 'sherman' and his men had been >through there. > >So, where he might be buried would be my first question? > >I also cannot find the origins of George D. Bowling (1834) and his brother >Thomas B. Bowling, who were >probably friends of the Whites or Halls. He later marries Ann and becomes >the step-father of her >daughters, Ann and Flora and they move to Kansas City, KS. He and Ann were >md in Macoupin, >Illinois on the way to Kansas. Does anyone connect to these Bowlings? Their >mother's name could have been Mary, but that is not verified. They both >state that they were born in TN and not KY. > >Ruth Hall's mother, Barbara, wife of David Hall, was Native American. John >C. White's mother >was Natichia, also Native American. {I think I have the generations >correct} Now that records for >Native Americans seem to be coming forth, can you suggest the best way to >find which tribes or nations, these two women would have been part of. (Off >hand, I could assume Cherokee, but that would be foolish.) Any ideas or >suggestions that you might have would be very appreciated. > >And to all you listers, I have learned so much about Wartburg and TN from >all of your sharing. >The funny thing is that these are my Mom's lines, Flora was her grandmother, >and recently I >realized that my Dad's 2nd and 3rd great grandparents were over in Jefferson >County, not too far >away - William McCulley born 1790, and Tobias Wilhelm (1760?-1814 in AL) and >his daughter >Aisley Wilhelm. These families emigrated down to Paint Rock, Jackson, AL. >I want to thank all of you for the historical information and good advice >and ideas that you share. > >May you all have a safe, peaceful, healthy, and loving Christmastime and be >blessed for all of >your kindnesses, especially to us Westerners, who have been in Northern >Indiana for a 3rd of a >Century. Sure would be tempting to come your way for Christmas, if those >darling little granddaughters weren't out West. Oh Well - Maybe next Spring >or Fall. > >Thanks again Edna. > >Susan Eppich >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Edna P Ward" <EPWARD@highland.net> >To: <TNMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 6:34 PM >Subject: Re: [TNMORGAN] Blank Census Forms > > >> >> >> >> You can order from Morgan Co. Library any Census Record Book you like. >> They have 1820-1830-1840-1850(1850 tells you head of household and names >of >> wife and children and approx. age of children and where they were born). >> They also have 1860-1870-1880- 1900 vol 1 and vol II and 1910 and 1920. >Not >> too costly either. >> >> I have those and Cemetery Records and Old Marriage Records by Miss Ethel >> Freytag.. >> >> Edna P. Ward >> EPWARD@Highland.Net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> At 01:25 PM 12/8/2003 -0800, you wrote: >> >Can anyone tell me where I can get census forms off of the net that match >> the orignial census blanks so I will know what to put where. Thanks Pat >> > >> > >> >==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== >> >SUPPORT OUR TROOPS! GOD BLESS AMERICA >> > >> >============================== >> >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >> go to: >> >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > >> > >> JOHN HOLLOWAY FIRST FAMILIES OF TENNESSEEE >> >> >> ==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== >> Morgan County Books: >> http://www.tngenweb.org/morgan/MorganCountyBooks.html >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > > > >==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== >Morgan County Books: >http://www.tngenweb.org/morgan/MorganCountyBooks.html > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > JOHN HOLLOWAY FIRST FAMILIES OF TENNESSEEE

I had a Cherokee Grandmother Miranda James and I know she was 1/2 Cherokee. Her husband who was Fred Briggs was 1/4 Cherokee. Who had red hair and beautiful blue eyes. She was tall and slender and dark hair and dark eyes. I have found his family but cannot find anyone from the James Side of the family to compare/share notes with. I have no idea where to look for this information on the Indian Tribes. Most here were Cherokee. They gave Tennessee it's name. I will have to look this up for you. If I can, I will. At 09:00 PM 12/8/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Dear Edna, > >Just read your latest email and it occurred to me that you might have some >ideas of >where to steer me next, or perhaps those books you mentioned may have some >gems >for me. I was extremely fortunate to connect with Morgan T. a few years >before he died, and he >sent me much of his data. But he didn't hold out much hope for what I need, >so it may be silly >for me to inquire. > >My gg grandfather was Ferdinand Heydemann who emigrated on an ill-fated ship >in 1847 which almost didn't make it to land. He was one of the earlier >workers, storekeepers and landowners >of Wartburg and then md John C. White and Ruth Hall White's daughter Ann C >White. He was >murdered in 1856. Morgan didn't think that there was any record of where he >was buried or any >marriage record for he and Ann White as 'sherman' and his men had been >through there. > >So, where he might be buried would be my first question? > >I also cannot find the origins of George D. Bowling (1834) and his brother >Thomas B. Bowling, who were >probably friends of the Whites or Halls. He later marries Ann and becomes >the step-father of her >daughters, Ann and Flora and they move to Kansas City, KS. He and Ann were >md in Macoupin, >Illinois on the way to Kansas. Does anyone connect to these Bowlings? Their >mother's name could have been Mary, but that is not verified. They both >state that they were born in TN and not KY. > >Ruth Hall's mother, Barbara, wife of David Hall, was Native American. John >C. White's mother >was Natichia, also Native American. {I think I have the generations >correct} Now that records for >Native Americans seem to be coming forth, can you suggest the best way to >find which tribes or nations, these two women would have been part of. (Off >hand, I could assume Cherokee, but that would be foolish.) Any ideas or >suggestions that you might have would be very appreciated. > >And to all you listers, I have learned so much about Wartburg and TN from >all of your sharing. >The funny thing is that these are my Mom's lines, Flora was her grandmother, >and recently I >realized that my Dad's 2nd and 3rd great grandparents were over in Jefferson >County, not too far >away - William McCulley born 1790, and Tobias Wilhelm (1760?-1814 in AL) and >his daughter >Aisley Wilhelm. These families emigrated down to Paint Rock, Jackson, AL. >I want to thank all of you for the historical information and good advice >and ideas that you share. > >May you all have a safe, peaceful, healthy, and loving Christmastime and be >blessed for all of >your kindnesses, especially to us Westerners, who have been in Northern >Indiana for a 3rd of a >Century. Sure would be tempting to come your way for Christmas, if those >darling little granddaughters weren't out West. Oh Well - Maybe next Spring >or Fall. > >Thanks again Edna. > >Susan Eppich >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Edna P Ward" <EPWARD@highland.net> >To: <TNMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 6:34 PM >Subject: Re: [TNMORGAN] Blank Census Forms > > >> >> >> >> You can order from Morgan Co. Library any Census Record Book you like. >> They have 1820-1830-1840-1850(1850 tells you head of household and names >of >> wife and children and approx. age of children and where they were born). >> They also have 1860-1870-1880- 1900 vol 1 and vol II and 1910 and 1920. >Not >> too costly either. >> >> I have those and Cemetery Records and Old Marriage Records by Miss Ethel >> Freytag.. >> >> Edna P. Ward >> EPWARD@Highland.Net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> At 01:25 PM 12/8/2003 -0800, you wrote: >> >Can anyone tell me where I can get census forms off of the net that match >> the orignial census blanks so I will know what to put where. 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Dear Edna, Just read your latest email and it occurred to me that you might have some ideas of where to steer me next, or perhaps those books you mentioned may have some gems for me. I was extremely fortunate to connect with Morgan T. a few years before he died, and he sent me much of his data. But he didn't hold out much hope for what I need, so it may be silly for me to inquire. My gg grandfather was Ferdinand Heydemann who emigrated on an ill-fated ship in 1847 which almost didn't make it to land. He was one of the earlier workers, storekeepers and landowners of Wartburg and then md John C. White and Ruth Hall White's daughter Ann C White. He was murdered in 1856. Morgan didn't think that there was any record of where he was buried or any marriage record for he and Ann White as 'sherman' and his men had been through there. So, where he might be buried would be my first question? I also cannot find the origins of George D. Bowling (1834) and his brother Thomas B. Bowling, who were probably friends of the Whites or Halls. He later marries Ann and becomes the step-father of her daughters, Ann and Flora and they move to Kansas City, KS. He and Ann were md in Macoupin, Illinois on the way to Kansas. Does anyone connect to these Bowlings? Their mother's name could have been Mary, but that is not verified. They both state that they were born in TN and not KY. Ruth Hall's mother, Barbara, wife of David Hall, was Native American. John C. White's mother was Natichia, also Native American. {I think I have the generations correct} Now that records for Native Americans seem to be coming forth, can you suggest the best way to find which tribes or nations, these two women would have been part of. (Off hand, I could assume Cherokee, but that would be foolish.) Any ideas or suggestions that you might have would be very appreciated. And to all you listers, I have learned so much about Wartburg and TN from all of your sharing. The funny thing is that these are my Mom's lines, Flora was her grandmother, and recently I realized that my Dad's 2nd and 3rd great grandparents were over in Jefferson County, not too far away - William McCulley born 1790, and Tobias Wilhelm (1760?-1814 in AL) and his daughter Aisley Wilhelm. These families emigrated down to Paint Rock, Jackson, AL. I want to thank all of you for the historical information and good advice and ideas that you share. May you all have a safe, peaceful, healthy, and loving Christmastime and be blessed for all of your kindnesses, especially to us Westerners, who have been in Northern Indiana for a 3rd of a Century. Sure would be tempting to come your way for Christmas, if those darling little granddaughters weren't out West. Oh Well - Maybe next Spring or Fall. Thanks again Edna. Susan Eppich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna P Ward" <EPWARD@highland.net> To: <TNMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [TNMORGAN] Blank Census Forms > > > > You can order from Morgan Co. Library any Census Record Book you like. > They have 1820-1830-1840-1850(1850 tells you head of household and names of > wife and children and approx. age of children and where they were born). > They also have 1860-1870-1880- 1900 vol 1 and vol II and 1910 and 1920. Not > too costly either. > > I have those and Cemetery Records and Old Marriage Records by Miss Ethel > Freytag.. > > Edna P. Ward > EPWARD@Highland.Net > > > > > > > > > > At 01:25 PM 12/8/2003 -0800, you wrote: > >Can anyone tell me where I can get census forms off of the net that match > the orignial census blanks so I will know what to put where. Thanks Pat > > > > > >==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== > >SUPPORT OUR TROOPS! GOD BLESS AMERICA > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > JOHN HOLLOWAY FIRST FAMILIES OF TENNESSEEE > > > ==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== > Morgan County Books: > http://www.tngenweb.org/morgan/MorganCountyBooks.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

PROUD WIFE OF TENNESSEE ARMY NATIONAL GUARD SGT. CURRENTLY ON TRAIN UP FOR DEPLOYMENT FOR KOSOVO. Hi Linda, My husband's Hall line connects to the Scott line.Her marriage date and death date on his pension envelope. On the Hall line my hubby's connection is as follows: (starting with his grandmother) Emma Hall Walker to John Burnside Hall to Samuel Hall to Garrett Hall to Samuel Hall, Jr. to Samuel Hall, Sr. to John Garrett Hall. He connects to the Hall in another line as well starting with his ggg-grandmother Nancy Hall Webb to Martin Daniel Hall to Samuel Hall Sr. to John Hall.(this hall connection is through his Scott line) His Scott line is as follows: (starting with his gg-grandmother) Lydia Scott to Russell Scott to Samuel Scott to Thomas Scott to John Scott. Lee Cross did write the notes on the outside of the pension applications. He is also responsible for them being in the Wartburg Library. I also had the older Elisha's wife as Rebecca Moiser, but since I didn't put where I got this information from, I didn't include it.I am also with Georgeanne, in the fact, that I haven't ran across any Halls from SC. I also just rechecked the outside of the envelope of his pension application. It does NOT state that he was the son of Elisha and Rebecca Mosier. It is written very small and I misread it this morning. What is says is that Samuel E. is the first child of Elisha and Rebecca Scott Hall (his second wife). Sorry about the mistake, I was in a hurry and should have looked closer. If I can help you with anything else let me know.I promise to pay more attention. Cathy

>From The Knoxville News Sentinel 8 Dec 2003 MARTIN, HOWARD N. SR. - age 79 of Indiana, passed away Tuesday, December 2, 2003 at Riley House Hospice. He was born in Clinton, TN. He was the son of the late Howard Edward and the late Myrtle Lienart Martin. Mr. Martin married Dorothy Christine Warwick. He served in the Army from 9/11/1943 to 12-31-1945. He was a Prisoner of War and a Veteran of W.W.II and receive the Purple Heart. He was a Millwright. He is survived by: wife, Christine (Nee Warwick) Martin; two sons, Nick (Terri) Martin, Tim Martin; three brothers, Lonas (Lilly) Martin, Earl Martin, John L. Martin; sister-in-law, Juanita Martin; many nieces, nephews and friends. Preceded in death by: parents; several brothers & sisters. The family will receive friends 6:00-8:00 p.m., Monday, December 8, 2003 at Holley-Gamble Funeral Home. The funeral will be held 11:00 a.m. Tuesday in the Chapel with Rev. Kenneth Seeber officiating. The interment will follow at Woodhaven Memorial Gardens with full military honors at graveside. Holley-Gamble Funeral Home in Clinton in charge of all arrangements. ========================================== SUPPORT OUR TROOPS---FLY THE FLAG Count no day lost in which you have waited your turn, took only your share and sought advantage over no one.

Thank you all for the information on Elisha and Martha Mosier Hall. If the parents of Elisha is Samuel and Letisha Hendrix Hall, then I am really deep into the Halls. I also have grandparents, Martin Hall and Choe Hendrix, buried at Elizabeth. I have a copy of the 1880 Morgan Co. census, but not the pension record. I'll send off for that. I knew of Rebecca Scott, but not her date of dead and place. Where did you find this information on Rebecca Scott? I also have a Scott line I was trying to prove the Mosier line for the DAR, but if I can prove my line to Samuel Hall, that would just be WONDERFUL! Linda Visit our webpages: Thomaston Upson Archives: http://home.alltel.net/tuarch Dixie Rose's Homepage: http://home.alltel.net/ehallman

I am wondering how come the Branstetter Cemetery is not listed? Seems like an awful lot of folk that are connected in some way or another. Also... As I read over the emails I am touched by all of you folks out there that are dilegently looking for your ancestors. I was thinking a day or so ago about how we are all a little of this and that, (German, Irish, Cherokee, Italian and on and on) Anyway.. As I have spent the past 8 years in San Jose California I have had the opportunity to meet several people that have recently migrated to America and are 1st and 2nd generations to the U.S. It is fascinating to think of how it must have been years ago when our families migrated compared to now. Just thoughts as I read emails each day. Keep up the good work. Teddie Smith Cazier Chester Lee Smith's daughterand Everett Smith and Gracie Branstetter's Grandaughter

You can order from Morgan Co. Library any Census Record Book you like. They have 1820-1830-1840-1850(1850 tells you head of household and names of wife and children and approx. age of children and where they were born). They also have 1860-1870-1880- 1900 vol 1 and vol II and 1910 and 1920. Not too costly either. I have those and Cemetery Records and Old Marriage Records by Miss Ethel Freytag.. Edna P. Ward EPWARD@Highland.Net At 01:25 PM 12/8/2003 -0800, you wrote: >Can anyone tell me where I can get census forms off of the net that match the orignial census blanks so I will know what to put where. Thanks Pat > > >==== TNMORGAN Mailing List ==== >SUPPORT OUR TROOPS! GOD BLESS AMERICA > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > JOHN HOLLOWAY FIRST FAMILIES OF TENNESSEEE