As I said, none of these were listed in the 1880 index, which covers all the states that were states at that time..so they either evaded the census taker of they were in a territory where no census was taken...I am glad I could help as muchas I did..and boy, do I wush there was an 1890 census, too...LOL >From: "Shirley Daykin" <outhouse@ionet.net> >Reply-To: TNMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com >To: TNMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [TNMONTGO-L] genealogy and history >Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:41:28 -0500 > >Hi. > >Jennie would have been b.1865 MS. m. a Carroll, MS. > >George W. Trotter, b 1846-51 Madrid Mo. his father would be James Trotter >Sr. > >Walter Stanford Sugg/Suggs, b. 1877-78 MS. >fa/b. AL, mo/b. MS. > >Sanford Suggs was alive until after 1882, as he fathered twins by wife 2. >I >just don't know where he was or when he died. I'm trying to lessen the gap >if I can. > >You got the right John German/Jarman I would also like to lessen the gap >and >get a tenative death year on him. I don't believe he lived past 1900. So >far >nothing has surfaced. > >Thanks for your help, I'm amazed at how much people give of their time to >help others in need. I too help when I can. > >Shirley in OK. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "katharan plemmons" <katharan@hotmail.com> >To: <TNMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 3:14 PM >Subject: Re: [TNMONTGO-L] genealogy and history > > > > I know what you mean about brick walls....The 1880 census was a lifsaver >for > > me and my brick walls... > > > > No Sanford Suggs anywhere in the 1880...and no Cynthie > > > > I found all these Jennie's..If any look like yours, let me know and I >can > > look up the info.. > > > > SUGG, Jennie Wife <1837> F B NC NC > > SUGS, Jennie Self <1845> F B AL AR > > SUGGS, Jennie Wife <1845> F W KY KY > > SUGGS, Jenny Self <1846> F W AL AL > > SUGGS, Giney Wife <1846> F W NC NC > > SUGGS, Jennie V. Wife <1849> F W NC NC > > SUGG, Jennie Wife <1858> F B AL AL > > SUGG, Jennie Wife <1858> F B NC NC > > SUGGS, Ginnie Dau <1866> F MU TX TX > > SUGG, Jennie Dau <1869> F B TN TN > > SUGG, Jennie Dau <1874> F B KY KY > > SUGGS, Jenny Dau <1877> F W CA CA > > > > Do you have a birth date on George?? there are too many to list here... > > > > Here are all the Walters..... > > > > SUGG, Walter Other <1862> M W AL AL > > SUGGS, Walter G. Son <1868> M W NC CA > > SUGG, Walter Son <1872> M B NC NC > > SUGGS, Walter Other <1873> M W AL TN > > SUGGS, Walter Son <1874> M W TN TN > > SUGGS, Walter Nephew <1874> M W TN TN > > SUGG, Walter Son <1876> M W IN IN > > SUGG, Walter Son <1878> M W NC NC > > SUGG, Walter Son <1878> M B NC NC > > SUGG, Walter Son <1879> M B NC NC > > SUGG, Walter Other <1880> M B MS MS > > > > No Daisy.... > > > > Here is John German.. > > > > Census Place: White Oak, Franklin, Arkansas > > Source: FHL Film 1254044 National Archives Film T9-0044 Page 730D > > Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace > > John GERMAN Self M M W 24 AR > > Occ: Farmer Fa: TN Mo: TN > > Molly GERMAN Wife F M W 25 AR > > Occ: Keeping House Fa: TN Mo: TN > > > > I think thid is Your George but he is not married..None of the Goerge > > Trotters were married... > > > > Census Place: Lincoln, Douglas, Missouri > > Source: FHL Film 1254685 National Archives Film T9-0685 Page 474B > > Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace > > Caroline TROTTER Self F W W 53 MO > > Occ: Keeping House Fa: KY Mo: NC > > George W. TROTTER Son M S W 25 MO > > Occ: Farm Laborer Fa: NC Mo: MO > > Joseph S. TROTTER Son M S W 21 MO > > Occ: Farmer Fa: NC Mo: MO > > Charles O. TROTTER Son M S W 19 MO > > Occ: Farmer Fa: NC Mo: MO > > William H. TROTTER Son M S W 16 MO > > Occ: Works On Farm Fa: NC Mo: MO > > Ephraim F. TROTTER Son M S W 13 MO > > Occ: Works On Farm Fa: NC Mo: MO > > Almedia A. TROTTER Dau F S W 10 MO > > Fa: NC Mo: MO > > John T. TROTTER Son M S W 8 MO > > Fa: NC Mo: MO > > Eliza A. ELLIOTT Other F S W 9 MO > > Fa: MO Mo: MO > > James N. ELLIOTT Other M S W 7 MO > > Fa: MO Mo: MO > > > > No Avery Shannon...... > > > > Just because they are not in the 1880 census, does not mean that they >are > > not somewhere....Indian territory would not have a census...and people >who > > did not trust government would avoid the census.... > > > > >I would like to take you up on your offer to do look ups. > > >I have many brick walls in all of my lineages. All due to Cherokee & > > >Choctaw blood. My ancestors didn't trust the US government, so they > > >avoided > > >any records of any kind and paid cash for everything. I need to place >the > > >following people SOMEWHERE in 1880. > > > > > >Sanford SUGG/SUGGS, b. 1846-48 Lawr. Co. AL. most likely a widower by >1880, > > >but his wife was Cynthie Permillis [Mellie} They were in Itawamba Co. >MS. > > >but possibly ended up in Lee after the boundry changes. He had the > > >following children by wife 1. Jennie, George W. Mattie, Walter S. & >Daisy. > > > > > >John Clayton German/Jarman [various spellings] b. 1855-57 AR. probably > > >Franklin Co. m. Mary Trotter, b. 1860-61 AR. Children: Infant girl, >John > > >Houston, James Wm, & Lenzy lee. > > >Possible spellings for German-Germon, Jermon, Jerman, Jermyn, Jarman, > > >Gearman, Gaurman, probably more. > > > > > >George W. [Sam] Trotter, b. 1850-51, Madrid, MO. m. Paaralee [Pauline] > > >German/Jarman, in AAR. 1870, b. 1854-55. Children: Georgia [first >born], >m. > > >Edward F. Allen, James/Jimmy, Reggie, all born in AR. > > > > > >John C. German & Paralee Trotter are siblings & George Trotter and Mary > > >German are siblings. They stayed pretty close all their lives. > > > > > >Also after John C. German/Jarman died [unknown] Mary German m. 2. Avery > > >Shannon. Need information on him > > >also and I have absolutely nothing but his name. Looked for a marriage > > >license where I knew Mary German was, but found nothing. > > > > > >Any help or suggestions most appreciated. > > > > > >Shirley in HOT, DRY, OKLAHOMA > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "katharan plemmons" <katharan@hotmail.com> > > >To: <TNMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 11:44 AM > > >Subject: [TNMONTGO-L] genealogy and history > > > > > > > > > > Well, I have got to jump in here...I am one of those people who live >on > > >the > > > > computer....I am handicapped and cannot get to all those wonderful > > >research > > > > sites...It is my window on the world...and the exchange of genealogy > > > > information is what these lists are all about...I belong to about a > > >dozen > > > > genealogy lists and get 1000 emails a day...I also do lookups in the > > > > 1850-60-80 census' for Tennessee..I have other research materials >that >I > > > > also share with people who ask.. > > > > I read each and every email to see if pertains to me or if I can >help > > >them > > > > in any way.... > > > > > > > > All this only takes about 4 hours a day and I still have time for my > > >family > > > > and my other love, quilting......and I enjoyed the lively discussion >of > > >the > > > > Civil War and learned a few things about it that I did not know > > >before...If > > > > William did nothing else, he got this list animated and I appreciate > > >it.... > > > > > > > > So if anyone needs a lookup in the 1850, 1870 census for Tennessee >or > > >the > > > > 1880 for all states, just ask..I like to share information... > > > > > > > > Katharan > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Jerree, > > > > > I am sorry but I believe you have a different notion of what >this > > >list > > > > >if for than I do. My understanding of the various lists is for >folks > > >to > > > > >join who have similiar lines to share information they have, not to >do > > > > >other's research for them. I am under the impression that the >websites > > >for > > > > >various states, counties, etc. is the place to post copies of >wills, > > > > >censuses, probate records, Bible records, > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: >http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com