I know what you mean about brick walls....The 1880 census was a lifsaver for me and my brick walls... No Sanford Suggs anywhere in the 1880...and no Cynthie I found all these Jennie's..If any look like yours, let me know and I can look up the info.. SUGG, Jennie Wife <1837> F B NC NC SUGS, Jennie Self <1845> F B AL AR SUGGS, Jennie Wife <1845> F W KY KY SUGGS, Jenny Self <1846> F W AL AL SUGGS, Giney Wife <1846> F W NC NC SUGGS, Jennie V. Wife <1849> F W NC NC SUGG, Jennie Wife <1858> F B AL AL SUGG, Jennie Wife <1858> F B NC NC SUGGS, Ginnie Dau <1866> F MU TX TX SUGG, Jennie Dau <1869> F B TN TN SUGG, Jennie Dau <1874> F B KY KY SUGGS, Jenny Dau <1877> F W CA CA Do you have a birth date on George?? there are too many to list here... Here are all the Walters..... SUGG, Walter Other <1862> M W AL AL SUGGS, Walter G. Son <1868> M W NC CA SUGG, Walter Son <1872> M B NC NC SUGGS, Walter Other <1873> M W AL TN SUGGS, Walter Son <1874> M W TN TN SUGGS, Walter Nephew <1874> M W TN TN SUGG, Walter Son <1876> M W IN IN SUGG, Walter Son <1878> M W NC NC SUGG, Walter Son <1878> M B NC NC SUGG, Walter Son <1879> M B NC NC SUGG, Walter Other <1880> M B MS MS No Daisy.... Here is John German.. Census Place: White Oak, Franklin, Arkansas Source: FHL Film 1254044 National Archives Film T9-0044 Page 730D Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace John GERMAN Self M M W 24 AR Occ: Farmer Fa: TN Mo: TN Molly GERMAN Wife F M W 25 AR Occ: Keeping House Fa: TN Mo: TN I think thid is Your George but he is not married..None of the Goerge Trotters were married... Census Place: Lincoln, Douglas, Missouri Source: FHL Film 1254685 National Archives Film T9-0685 Page 474B Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Caroline TROTTER Self F W W 53 MO Occ: Keeping House Fa: KY Mo: NC George W. TROTTER Son M S W 25 MO Occ: Farm Laborer Fa: NC Mo: MO Joseph S. TROTTER Son M S W 21 MO Occ: Farmer Fa: NC Mo: MO Charles O. TROTTER Son M S W 19 MO Occ: Farmer Fa: NC Mo: MO William H. TROTTER Son M S W 16 MO Occ: Works On Farm Fa: NC Mo: MO Ephraim F. TROTTER Son M S W 13 MO Occ: Works On Farm Fa: NC Mo: MO Almedia A. TROTTER Dau F S W 10 MO Fa: NC Mo: MO John T. TROTTER Son M S W 8 MO Fa: NC Mo: MO Eliza A. ELLIOTT Other F S W 9 MO Fa: MO Mo: MO James N. ELLIOTT Other M S W 7 MO Fa: MO Mo: MO No Avery Shannon...... Just because they are not in the 1880 census, does not mean that they are not somewhere....Indian territory would not have a census...and people who did not trust government would avoid the census.... >I would like to take you up on your offer to do look ups. >I have many brick walls in all of my lineages. All due to Cherokee & >Choctaw blood. My ancestors didn't trust the US government, so they >avoided >any records of any kind and paid cash for everything. I need to place the >following people SOMEWHERE in 1880. > >Sanford SUGG/SUGGS, b. 1846-48 Lawr. Co. AL. most likely a widower by 1880, >but his wife was Cynthie Permillis [Mellie} They were in Itawamba Co. MS. >but possibly ended up in Lee after the boundry changes. He had the >following children by wife 1. Jennie, George W. Mattie, Walter S. & Daisy. > >John Clayton German/Jarman [various spellings] b. 1855-57 AR. probably >Franklin Co. m. Mary Trotter, b. 1860-61 AR. Children: Infant girl, John >Houston, James Wm, & Lenzy lee. >Possible spellings for German-Germon, Jermon, Jerman, Jermyn, Jarman, >Gearman, Gaurman, probably more. > >George W. [Sam] Trotter, b. 1850-51, Madrid, MO. m. Paaralee [Pauline] >German/Jarman, in AAR. 1870, b. 1854-55. Children: Georgia [first born], m. >Edward F. Allen, James/Jimmy, Reggie, all born in AR. > >John C. German & Paralee Trotter are siblings & George Trotter and Mary >German are siblings. They stayed pretty close all their lives. > >Also after John C. German/Jarman died [unknown] Mary German m. 2. Avery >Shannon. Need information on him >also and I have absolutely nothing but his name. Looked for a marriage >license where I knew Mary German was, but found nothing. > >Any help or suggestions most appreciated. > >Shirley in HOT, DRY, OKLAHOMA >----- Original Message ----- >From: "katharan plemmons" <katharan@hotmail.com> >To: <TNMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 11:44 AM >Subject: [TNMONTGO-L] genealogy and history > > > > Well, I have got to jump in here...I am one of those people who live on >the > > computer....I am handicapped and cannot get to all those wonderful >research > > sites...It is my window on the world...and the exchange of genealogy > > information is what these lists are all about...I belong to about a >dozen > > genealogy lists and get 1000 emails a day...I also do lookups in the > > 1850-60-80 census' for Tennessee..I have other research materials that I > > also share with people who ask.. > > I read each and every email to see if pertains to me or if I can help >them > > in any way.... > > > > All this only takes about 4 hours a day and I still have time for my >family > > and my other love, quilting......and I enjoyed the lively discussion of >the > > Civil War and learned a few things about it that I did not know >before...If > > William did nothing else, he got this list animated and I appreciate >it.... > > > > So if anyone needs a lookup in the 1850, 1870 census for Tennessee or >the > > 1880 for all states, just ask..I like to share information... > > > > Katharan > > > > > > > >Jerree, > > > I am sorry but I believe you have a different notion of what this >list > > >if for than I do. My understanding of the various lists is for folks >to > > >join who have similiar lines to share information they have, not to do > > >other's research for them. I am under the impression that the websites >for > > >various states, counties, etc. is the place to post copies of wills, > > >censuses, probate records, Bible records, > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com