William, I live in a family of guys your age (five in all born from 1949 to 1961) and I am used to health discussions, they make the juices flow.... you are just a little thinner skinned than most....the Civil War was not your fault.....the way people in the south talk is not your fault..... you don't have to defend them......it is all a good discussion and I for one have learned a lot from it. Anyway the list isn't so quiet any more. You need not apologize to anyone and I am sure Jan will not `send you to your room'. You have brought up some very good questions.... I am not so sure they have all been answered but they are `food for thought'. jerree PS I was going through the 1860 & 1870 census yesterday for Stewart-TN and there are oodles of Pulley's.......