Elaine, Sorry, I don't in Montgomery-TN, my great gf was a Bapt (what else) preacher in Stewart-TN and I found him every week at a service for the whole time he lived in that county. It was on the website transcribed from there records. Have you tryed the Historical Society.....lots of times they know where things are hidden..... jerree

William, Yes, there were real men of great honor on both sides, just doing they job. jerree

My third great grandfather was a Confederate soldier killed in the war. Nothing I have found indicates he or his family owned slaves. I have an idea he was defending his family's home in Tennessee that was rather catching a beating and getting to be a dangerous place to raise youngins, and that his reason for fighting was more personal than for glorious idealism. jan >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Cleo G Hogan" <cdmhogan@usit.net> >To: <TNMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 9:26 PM >Subject: [TNMONTGO-L] War Between the States Cause(s) > > > > Often one will hear the explanation that it was States' Rights, or the > > rights of the states to decide the slavery question, with particular > > reference to the Missouri Compromise of 1854, I think it was called, > > involving whether newly admitted states west of the Mississippi River >would > > be admitted with slavery practices allowed. In that sense, it was about > > "slavery"; but actually, it was about the right of states to DECIDE the > > issue of slavery individually by states; rather than by edict from above. > > The answer is not one or two simple words--slavery OR states' rights; but > > the entire history must be studied. > > Certainly many small farmers (in TN particularly) did NOT own slaves; > > but just as certainly, many large farmers "planters" DID. However, a >large > > number of the front line soldiers, many of whom died, were from the >"small > > farmer"--non-slave-holding families. Were they fighting about "slavery"? > > You can decide that; just please don't make value judgements using 2002 > > cultural values about events of 1862! Cleo in Clarksville, > > cdmhogan@usit.net > >

My 2g gf Rev SAMUEL THOMAS LANCASTER who died in the CSA in MS did not own any slaves and never owned any slaves. His 3/w Harriett in the 1860 census owned $5600 worth of slaves (6 adults & 15 children) given to her by her father. jerree

Sounds like Margaret Mitchell's `Gone with the Wind'. Great book....her family almost disowned her when she wrote it. jerree P S Another great series of books about the south are by Frank Yerby. The first one was `Tap Roots' and the following books go on about the same family for generations. They are what got me interested in genealogy years & years ago.

Looking for information on James Newton Corbett. Born TN. 1822. Married Sarah M. Bayliss 1846, Montgomery Co.. She was born 1828 in KY. Children are Eugene, Macey, Newton, Francis, William, Robert and Susan. All born in TN. James died 1872 aboard the ship Emma C. Elliot a steamer owned by the Memphis and St. Louis Packet company. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Barbara Bishop pbishop@optonline.net

William, Nope..... an oath for ones country/flag is not breakable except by death....... A contract is what you have with the finance company when you can't pay cash. It is pears and peaches........ jerree

Lincoln didn't decide to 'free the slaves' until he realized > > > the North was losing so the slavery issue was 'political'---read the > > > Emancipation Proclamation and see that he only freed the slaves in the > > > states that had withdrawn from the Union--he didn't 'free' them all!) I never heard this until I was out of school (I guess I wasn't listening all the time!); but we all now understand this was a MILITARY ploy, and had NOTHING to do with Lincoln's huminitarian interests, if any. This "Emancipation" is not half as exciting for the close student of history as it is for the casual reader! It was a DESPERATE move to gather support from a group geographically inside the Confederacy. Think a moment: what authority did Lincoln have to direct this act inside another sovereign country--the Confederacy?? He called them "states in rebellion" to mask his lack of authority! Cleo in Clarksville, cdmhogan@usit.net

In a message dated 8/21/02 7:52:31 PM Central Daylight Time, braisl@madisontelco.com writes: > Well, you know what?? I voted, but I'm not sure it was counted. Yes, I > know, I'm a smart aleck. > Elaine Do you think you were a loose or hanging or pregnant chad? :) William

Often one will hear the explanation that it was States' Rights, or the rights of the states to decide the slavery question, with particular reference to the Missouri Compromise of 1854, I think it was called, involving whether newly admitted states west of the Mississippi River would be admitted with slavery practices allowed. In that sense, it was about "slavery"; but actually, it was about the right of states to DECIDE the issue of slavery individually by states; rather than by edict from above. The answer is not one or two simple words--slavery OR states' rights; but the entire history must be studied. Certainly many small farmers (in TN particularly) did NOT own slaves; but just as certainly, many large farmers "planters" DID. However, a large number of the front line soldiers, many of whom died, were from the "small farmer"--non-slave-holding families. Were they fighting about "slavery"? You can decide that; just please don't make value judgements using 2002 cultural values about events of 1862! Cleo in Clarksville, cdmhogan@usit.net

In a message dated 8/21/02 4:48:18 PM Central Daylight Time, Katt1930@aol.com writes: > that they broke their oath.........a > man/woman's honor is their word. That honor/oath haunted many southern > military leaders till their death. > Jerree I take exception. That oath, I'm sure was predicated on a 'two way street' When one side breaks a 'contract' the other side is not bound by it. William

In a message dated 8/21/02 4:36:58 PM Central Daylight Time, jbeasl16@bellsouth.net writes: > Wow! It appears we have more to worry about from little bloodsucking > creatures than we do from terrorist. > Karen Maybe it was terrorism. Yes, I fear the creatures now. I can hardly work in my garden. My schedule doesn't allow me in there in the day. Just early morning and late evening. Haven't been home for a number of weekends. This past weekend, I had a family reunion in IA. Had a good time. They were Union people. My g-grandfather lost 3 brothers in that war. They were troops from IA regiments. William

> While I have your attention, does anyone know how I could find Baptist > Church records for Montgomery Co. for the early years of the 1800s? Or the > name of some of the churches? Any idea what KIND of Baptist Churches you are looking for? Primitive; Southern; Missionary; Freewill; General? The County Historian put out a nice book a few years ago with thumbnail histories of the oldest 100 churches in the County, which would give you an overview. Many of the Baptist churches probably trace back to the Primitive Baptists at Half Pone (now defunct; in present Cheatham Co; then Montgomery) and it's sister, Red River, organized 1791 or 2 at Port Royal, on the Robertson Co line; later moved to present Adams, in Robertson County, where it is going strong as a Southern Baptist church, I think). Cleo.

In a message dated 8/21/02 4:36:58 PM Central Daylight Time, jbeasl16@bellsouth.net writes: > Karen I think encephalitis means inflamation of the area around the brain. The condition one MAY get with West Nile Virus is West Nile encephalitis. William

In a message dated 8/21/02 4:35:53 PM Central Daylight Time, Katt1930@aol.com writes: > ....When Anderson's men > pasted out of the harbor, the Confederate soldiers removed their caps. > There > was no cheering. > Sounded like our boys were real men of honor!

In a message dated 8/21/02 3:53:18 PM Central Daylight Time, Katt1930@aol.com writes: > Right! > > We have come a long way in 226 years compared to the milliniums of some of > the other countries... Lots of blood, sweat amd tears crammed into those > 226 > years.... > Jerree Please copy the text you are responding to so that we know what your response means. Your e mail can almost stand on it's own but we don't have a reference point. William

In a message dated 8/21/02 3:31:54 PM Central Daylight Time, braisl@madisontelco.com writes: > William, explain please if you would??? Are you talking about "our > government's" interference with States Rights??? I get a little upset too > when I think of how little the "citizens" of our country have to say in the > decisions that are made by "our government". The Damn Yankees aren't just > in the South. > Elaine My answer is yes and no. It was kidding around. But you are right about the federal government taking too much upon itself. And too, there are so many people who will not stand up for themselves. And that is hurtful for all of us. William

What to say? We didn't get any miracles. . . .

In a message dated 8/21/02 3:33:33 PM Central Daylight Time, TNMONTGO-D-request@rootsweb.com writes:> > I've tried to avoid getting into this whole discussion, but this statement > reminded me of a favorite quote (I have no idea of the original author): > > "The Southern man navigates by fixed stars. There's no telling what he > might do if he gets riled, but he says grace, and he says ma'am, and he > loves his country - both of them." Years ago I also copied a quote I liked about the South--it may be the beginning line in a famous book--I really don't know where I read it--but I liked it. The South There was a land of Cavaliers and cotton fields called the old south.....Here in this pretty world gallantry took it's last bow. Here was the last to be seen of knights and their ladies fair, of master and of slaves. Look for it only in books for it is no more than a dream remembered...a civilization "gone with the wind".

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Causes of the Civil War Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:14:59 EDT From: AWNRDC@aol.com To: bzbee@bellsouth.net William: This is a topic which generates a great deal of debate. You will find people who believe THE only cause was Slavery, and others who believe that slavery had nothing to do with it -- that it was about a way of life, centralized versus non-centralized government, economics (manufacturing versus agrarian), etc. The truth, in my opinion, lies in between these two extremes, although I am closer to the end that slavery was the single largest factor. Steve Elliot will tell you it's closer to the other end. I am sending you some sites where you can read various documents and editorials from the time period, essays that have been written since. You can come to your own conclusion. If you are asking as part of a school assignment, I suggest you see what your text and your teacher said. Causes of the Civil War Causes of the Civil War-a North Georgia perspective Causes of the Civil War - The relation of slavery, State's Rights, sectionalism, and economic factors which caused the Civil Causes of the Civil War (Confederate View) Outline of the Civil War-- With Links--From Great American History The importance of studying and understanding this conflict is that it was defining moment in our national history, with consequences we are still experiencing today. For many people, this study is a lifelong obssession. Make up your own mind what role various factors played in it. Anne