UH UH William, you first. Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: <BarnesWK@aol.com> To: <TNMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 5:26 AM Subject: Re: [TNMONTGO-L] Re: question for true southerners > In a message dated 8/24/02 3:17:21 AM Central Daylight Time, > braisl@madisontelco.com writes: > > > > Let's think of what could have been done instead of the War. What > > compromises could have been done?? > > Elaine > > Go right ahead and make your suggestions. I'd really like to hear it. > > William >

Sorry about that. I don't know how to forward these things. It is a wonderful article, anyway.

Okay, these lists are based of TENNESSEE counties so information discussed should pertain to this State. #1--Tennessee originally voted by near 4-to-1 margin NOT to secede from the Union! #2--When Lincoln ordered States to send 75,000 men to support the Union's cause, TN took a second vote. When our citizens realized they would be forced to fight family and friends, the second vote was to secede. "Then on April 12, 1861, Ft. Sumter was attacked and three days later President Lincoln issued a proclamation calling on the state governors to send 75,000 state militia to force the seceded states back under the authority of the Union. This angered and saddened many Tennessee Citizens. Realizing they would have to fight and refusing to fight against their southern neighbors, they voted on June 8, 1861, in favor of secession. The majority had changed from four to one against and was now two to one for secession." ( http://www.geocities.com/bedfordcounty/civilwar/text.html ) You might be interested in http://www.state.tn.us/environment/hist/PathDivided/prologue.htm My people, if not my ancesters, were forced into a war they didn't want! Was this not "Northern Agression"? The Emancipation Proclaimation is found at http://www.nps.gov/ncro/anti/emancipation.html Lincoln named the former states this proclaimation affected, former states that were "in rebellion against the United States". Why isn't Tennessee named among those former states "in rebellion"? Why didn't this proclaimation include the United States? How could Lincoln issue a proclaimation affecting 'some' of the states that had withdrawn from the Union and had formed their own government? Convince me there was no "politics" involved here! I believe it was Cleo that said something about not being taught certain things about this war while he was in school. I graduated CHS in 1967 and I don't remember being taught such facts as Lincoln did NOT "free the slaves"! I checked my granddaughter's 6th grade history book last year (she hasn't brought one home this year). Guess what? She's still being taught that Lincoln freed the slaves! If we, our children, and our grandchildren are not taught the facts, we are being fed propaganda! Most of us attended government-operated schools so who is feeding this propaganda and why? (Does this "Northern Agression" continue? Study the "Davis-Bacon Act" to learn what happened when a black contractor won a contract in a northern state!) Personally, I believe in 'equality'---and I don't care about race, sex, religion, etc.! Sandy Ellis

Hey Robbie Just trying to find out if you were ever able to trace your Milam? How about that reservation lead, did you ever learn of a reservation in that area? talk to you later William

In a message dated 8/24/02 3:17:21 AM Central Daylight Time, braisl@madisontelco.com writes: > Let's think of what could have been done instead of the War. What > compromises could have been done?? Elaine Go right ahead and make your suggestions. I'd really like to hear it. William

Thanks for a great idea!! Linda Moss De Vita Saugus, CA Reseaching Moss, Blair, Martin, Hutchison, Gill, Young, Rye, Denny, Hester, Rives, McElwain in TN & KY, VA, NC & SC

That's what I said duped...... Why is it alway the fault of the Damn Yankees when the fault lies nearer to SC, GA, AL, MS, LA, FL & TX? They are ones who started it from what I have read. When you are defending your land and family it is still a war not any of those other funny names. jerree

Texas has been under six flags.........everybody `owned' it one time or another. jerree

Duped into it? Ya reckon? Actually, being both the descendent of about three Confederate soldiers, and one Union one...I am going to throw in another idea here...many folks of this particular area were not duped into the war...they were poor farmers who were pulled in, their buildings, churches, schools, homes were being burnt, their crops destroyed, their livestock left to rot dead in the fields (what was not being pillaged to feed soldiers and drifters instead of families). Many were beaten and even tortured (many accounts of this in Stewart Co. history), civilians murdered, women raped, children left orphans (and not saying it was all legit soldiers, done by many renegades who had taken off awol intent on destruction)... At any rate, in that case ....southern, northern, or pink and purple polka dot, a man is going to fight. jan >I think most of the southern people were duped into it for what ever reasons >(I hate to even think about that) their elected representatives had in mind. > >The end justifies the means.......in my opinion...... > >jerree

William, I am not sure what the question is but.... When that many men on both sides IN UNIFORM and out of uniform plus women and child, black and white and all those poor horses were dead, you can call it what you want but to me it is a war, not a rebellion and not a recent unpleasantness.......body shrouds are now called body bags.....dead is dead..... I think most of the southern people were duped into it for what ever reasons (I hate to even think about that) their elected representatives had in mind. The end justifies the means.......in my opinion...... jerree

In a message dated 8/23/02 4:10:35 PM Central Daylight Time, braisl@madisontelco.com writes: > Ahem, I thought Texas originally was part of Mexico??? I'm not a Texan but I think I might know. There were Americans living there and at some point they wanted to secede from their country. Mexico said no, but in that case the government did not win. Texan's is this close to right? William

In a message dated 8/23/02 4:04:33 PM Central Daylight Time, braisl@madisontelco.com writes: > Hey William, are you historied out?? Haven't heard from you for a while. > > Elaine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <BarnesWK@aol.com> > To: <TNMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 7:26 PM > Subject: [TNMONTGO-L] question for true southerners > > > > Hey Yall > > > > What were the cause/s of the Civil War? > > > > William > > > Elaine Well, my e mail is 3 days old but in a sense, no. Of course, some could just agree to disagree. Don't want to pull a Lee though. I want to let Lincoln pull back this time. :) William

Sandy, Please email me at my home....I have something that I would like for you to give to Travis' Dad......It may not help much, but I am hoping that it will in some small way. Thanks, Cathy joeintn@midsouth.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Ellis" <sjellis@charter.net> To: <TNMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [TNMONTGO-L] Travis > What to say? We didn't get any miracles. . . . > > > >

In a message dated 8/23/02 2:23:57 PM Central Daylight Time, Katt1930@aol.com writes: > > WAR is not stealing......Texas and California was conquered lands. > > Do think war is a game of checkers???? > Jerree I will not let you get away with that. You can't have it both ways. Was it a war or was it an action against criminals who were rebelling against their country? Pick one. If not war, then it is 'acquiring' done by the US government from their own countryman. They are good for that. The victor gets to make the defintions. William

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Hi Jerree, What flags was it under, Mexico. France? My history has slid under the desk. Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: <Katt1930@aol.com> To: <TNMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [TNMONTGO-L] RE: Question for true southern. . . > Texas has been under six flags.........everybody `owned' it one time or > another. > > jerree >

Okay, here I go again. I may be asking for help in getting my foot out of my mouth but.......... In the case of the "great unpleasantness" as it was called by those not on the front lines and also ignoring the elephant in the front room, my "opinion" is that it wasn't begun by the "people" "citizens" of either North or South, but by those who had something to lose if New Mexico, Texas, CA etc. were to be free or slave states, namely, their jobs, egos and power. I haven't studied the specific "yes we want it", "no you can't have it" causes, but didn't the split begin to loom in 1850, or earlier? Isn't that when the Missouri Compromise came into being?? It resulted in a stalemate for ten years, with nothing really definitely resolved. When the War was begun, by both sides, at about the same time, perhaps not with the same intensity, but definitely with the same intent, the North was at Fort Sumter and Lincoln wasn't about to retreat. That's called pushing it to the edge. Some folks in the South got together and said, "Look we aren't gonna take this any more", and thus the shot/s that almost broke the back of the Nation. Isn't it interesting that we as a people elect the wo/men to power and then step back and let them take over? How does that happen?? How does anyone know what the truth really is when one is told something by a politician?? What a stew!!!!!! I don't think the Civil War was my Great Grandpa's, or my Great Uncle's idea. But to protect the homeland from those vicious people from the North and South, they fought. They just forgot they were part of that North and South. Let's think of what could have been done instead of the War. What compromises could have been done?? Any suggestions?? And please don't say the Damn Yankees could have stayed home even if it's true. Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: <Katt1930@aol.com> To: <TNMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [TNMONTGO-L] Re: question for true southerners > That's what I said duped...... > Why is it alway the fault of the Damn Yankees when the fault lies nearer to > SC, GA, AL, MS, LA, FL & TX? They are ones who started it from what I have > read. > When you are defending your land and family it is still a war not any of > those other funny names. > > jerree >

Elaine, You are correct....Traveller did die of of `lockjaw' from a nail in his front hoof. I didn't know horses could get it. Correction......me not you........Lee's mare was Lucy Long (NOT Lucy Lee) lived to be 34 years old.... Lucy Lee was a mare my folks had when I was little....she was cut between her from legs by a wire (a deep wound) and it was my job to keep that wound clean and take her out every day for a very, very slow walk to get her exercise. Took months to heal.....I remember having that purple medicine all over me. `Tincture of violet' I believe it was called and it would not wash off, it had to wear off. Memories......... jerree

Jill, I thought Texas had been under six flags.........were they all gifts........ I don't know much Texas history....I did not go to school there. Two of my sons were born there. In my OPINION it is number one in the nation (I have not lived in any other southern states) but I just can not afford to live there. jerree

Again, I am quite thankful for your information. This line is relatively new for me and I am only beginning my research. I don't have any "standard works" to rely on so your help is most appreciated. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deanna Oklepek" <d.oklepek@worldnet.att.net> To: <TNMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 1:48 AM Subject: [TNMONTGO-L] MacCarrell & Elliot | Barbara, | I looked in some of my reference books and found the following: | Tenn. Wills & Administrations, 1779-1861 | James McCarrel, 1813,Will book 2, page 61, Knox Co. | James McCarrell, 1836, Will book 6, page 21, Knox Co. | Margaret McCarrell, 1819, Will book 3, page 109, Knox Co. | William McCarrell, 1815, Will book 2, page 184, Knox Co. | Keziah McCarrol, 1841, Will book 3, page 0. Sumner Co. | Narcissa McCarrol, 1859, Will book 1, page 89, Dyer Co. | Abner McCarroll, 1841, Misc. Records book 1, page 352, Benton Co. | Francis McCarroll, 1860, Will book i, page 227, Stewart Co. | | and | Montgomery Co. Marriages Records | James E. McCarroll to Susan Stevinson, August 30, 1854 | | Hope this helps you some. | Deanna |