Hi Linda Thanks for the reply. I see that you are also researching the Young name. My Samuel Young said in his Rev War pension application that he lived in both Sumner co TN and Logan co KY. I do not have exact dates that he was in either county but he had to have been there for a period between 1790 and 1810. Since Montgomery and Robertson counties were made from Sumner co and I have seen his name in the histories of those two counties. I beleive he left the area before they were formed. I suspect that he left adult children in the area when he came to Illinois. Do you have any Youngs in the area that could fit into this catagory?. I would not be surprised to find an son Samuel and there is a Betsy that married an Underwood that I would suspect that was his daughter. thanks J. Ray Young --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 8/21/02

I can send you what I have privately if you want, don't know how to send it to the list, if anyone else should want it. Have another question for you but will send it to Stewart list, as it pertains to Stewart Co. Let me know what you want me to do.  Hi Libbye What you did worked. Because this e mail was sent to the list. But if you meant privately, then you can highlight my e mail address and then right click. Select copy. Hit your e mail button. (On aol it is the 'write' button) Right click again in the send to box and select paste. That way it can be a private e mail. This goes for anyone. I have a Cherry file saved. It begins with William Cherry born 1740 or some such. If you or anyone on the list wants a copy, let me know. William

Ray, There were many Youngs in Todd & Logan Counties in KY. It isn't that far from Montgomery Co. Linda Moss De Vita Saugus, CA Reseaching Moss, Blair, Martin, Hutchison, Gill, Young, Rye, Denny, Hester, Rives, McElwain in TN & KY, VA, NC & SC

thanks for responding William and Cleo. Really appreciate it. Not too long ago I had to reformat my hard drive and in my haste forgot to back up my ftm, emails, etc. So much was lost and have not recovered as yet. Over 4,000 names etc.since my last back up Christmas 2001. Some I was lucky on that I had hard copies of, some I did not. But still have not had time to re-enter most of it. I had more on the Cherry/ Welkers than I do now. I don't even have a date for Myrtle-dau. of Brodis. Should be abt. early 1920's. I have some hard copy pictures of them and one of their sons (Welkers). Will have to get that info back into my ftm and let you know soon as I do. Brodis Cherry married Nettie Lee Powers Wallace. She was the daughter of Olean Powers and Thomas Y. Wallace. Have you heard the story on that one? I also have pictures of Nettie with her brother Horace and other Wallace's. They did have a son named Billy, but I have no info on him. I can send you what I have privately if you want, don't know how to send it to the list, if anyone else should want it. Have another question for you but will send it to Stewart list, as it pertains to Stewart Co. Let me know what you want me to do. Thanks again, libbye __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com

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Sandy, Thanks..... I can picture all that area much better in my mind.....my State Farm atlas was published by the `flat earth society'...... I also had a researcher in Quincy-Adams-IL that spent her winters in the court house were it was warm.......I think she found me 80 some odd HENRY KOCH's (most of them were hog farmers)......never have sorted out the correct one...... Sorry.....I have been offered `free rent' in China in November.....I want to go to northern Siam (Thailand) and stay at an elephant ranch were they have nurseries of baby elephants to play with. You can eat with them, bathe with them and play in the mud with them. Thanks again......looking foreward to hearing about the Indians in the area. jerree

I have a Myrtle W Cherry [1876TN-1924TN] but she was married to William Henry Galusha 1921> in Stewart-TN........[not a relative]. jerree

Jerree-- This is funny! "> She said that the court house was the only warm place in the winter time." Remember the discussion on the Stewart list about the 'hollars'? I'll try to confuse you a little more now. Tennessee has 8 different terrains. (From West Tennessee to East Tennessee, we have the Mississippi River Valley, the Costal Plain, the Western Valley, the Highland Rim, the Central Basin, the Cumberland Plateau, the Valley and Ridge, and the Unaka Mountains.) The Highland Rim encircles Middle Tennessee (kinda like a donut) and the Central Basin is in the center of the circle (the donut hole). Stewart and Montgomery Counties are located in the upper west of the Highland Rim while Smith County is in the upper east of the Highland Rim. (Nashville, Murfreesboro, Franklin, Gallatin are in the Central Basin.) The Cumberland River flows very near the courthouses in Carthage (Smith Co.), Nashville (Davidson Co.), Clarksville (Montgomery Co.), and Dover (Stewart Co.). Clarksville is on a hill over-looking the river. Dover and Nashville are more at river level---as is Carthage. The difference is Carthage is in a valley on one side of the river and has "hills" on the other side of the river. Carthage has a different 'microclimate' because those hills tend to trap fog, moisture, etc. while blocking the sun a little longer. As I've said before, as world traveled as you are, it's a shame you haven't visited Tennessee! You also asked about the Native Americans in the area so another time I'll try to tell you about them--from the nomadic hunters of the Ice Age (spearpoints have been found in Montgomery Co.). Sandy Ellis

Hey Yall Anyone know where to get the state census for 1875? Does anyone here have it? Willing to do a look up? :) William

I have someone. There are two children James Elbert and Mary Lou Mathis. Could be spelled a variety of ways of course. They went by Elbert and Lou but the census may have anything. So if you would, could you look them up in the 1880 census? They might be in  TN or MO or anyplace else.   :) Katharan I'm repeating this but I wanted to add a few things. First James Elbert would be 8-10 years of age and Mary Lou 5-7 years of age. They could be in Houston Co or Stewart Co, in TN or perhaps New Madrid Co, MO. They might be living with Toad or Tobe Mathis or with unknown grandparents. Can you guess what info I'm really after here? :) See, I'm working with family legend with is just a few tidbits (or genealogists terms: clues). Just looking for more of the story. thank you William

Hi Libbye I happen to know one of Brodis Cherry's grandson's. I think his dad was Billy. Not sure but his dad was living as of about a year/year and a half ago. Wish I could help on the Swift or Welker but doesn't seem likely now. My Welker's were definitely in the Palmyra area. Do you have any children for Robert Welker and Myrtle Cherry? How about a birthdate for him? William

Sorry, he is not there, either...... >From: NBa1458042@aol.com >Reply-To: TNMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com >To: TNMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [TNMONTGO-L] genealogy and history/Katharan >Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 20:29:12 EDT > >Have you tried Trigg Co., Ky.? There are LUTTRELL there in the Turner >Cemetery I think there in an Andrew J. Lateral. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

Jerree, I didn't hear from the archives when I e-mailed them, so I called. Got a fast response. Good Luck, Laura

Laura, Thanks.....do you have the e-mail address that works? When I wrote to them I included my e-mail address hoping they would e-mail me back also a self addressed stamped envelope.....I mailed it 10 Jun and I have heard nothing. jerree

Hi Jerree, I got an immediate response from Jill at the archives when I called. I had book and page number. She sent me an e-mail within two days after receiving my payment and mailed me a hard copy. She also included extra information she found. I don't remember exactly how much the charge was, I think it was $7.00. Hope this helps. Laura

As I said, none of these were listed in the 1880 index, which covers all the states that were states at that time..so they either evaded the census taker of they were in a territory where no census was taken...I am glad I could help as muchas I did..and boy, do I wush there was an 1890 census, too...LOL >From: "Shirley Daykin" <outhouse@ionet.net> >Reply-To: TNMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com >To: TNMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [TNMONTGO-L] genealogy and history >Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:41:28 -0500 > >Hi. > >Jennie would have been b.1865 MS. m. a Carroll, MS. > >George W. Trotter, b 1846-51 Madrid Mo. his father would be James Trotter >Sr. > >Walter Stanford Sugg/Suggs, b. 1877-78 MS. >fa/b. AL, mo/b. MS. > >Sanford Suggs was alive until after 1882, as he fathered twins by wife 2. >I >just don't know where he was or when he died. I'm trying to lessen the gap >if I can. > >You got the right John German/Jarman I would also like to lessen the gap >and >get a tenative death year on him. I don't believe he lived past 1900. So >far >nothing has surfaced. > >Thanks for your help, I'm amazed at how much people give of their time to >help others in need. I too help when I can. > >Shirley in OK. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "katharan plemmons" <katharan@hotmail.com> >To: <TNMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 3:14 PM >Subject: Re: [TNMONTGO-L] genealogy and history > > > > I know what you mean about brick walls....The 1880 census was a lifsaver >for > > me and my brick walls... > > > > No Sanford Suggs anywhere in the 1880...and no Cynthie > > > > I found all these Jennie's..If any look like yours, let me know and I >can > > look up the info.. > > > > SUGG, Jennie Wife <1837> F B NC NC > > SUGS, Jennie Self <1845> F B AL AR > > SUGGS, Jennie Wife <1845> F W KY KY > > SUGGS, Jenny Self <1846> F W AL AL > > SUGGS, Giney Wife <1846> F W NC NC > > SUGGS, Jennie V. Wife <1849> F W NC NC > > SUGG, Jennie Wife <1858> F B AL AL > > SUGG, Jennie Wife <1858> F B NC NC > > SUGGS, Ginnie Dau <1866> F MU TX TX > > SUGG, Jennie Dau <1869> F B TN TN > > SUGG, Jennie Dau <1874> F B KY KY > > SUGGS, Jenny Dau <1877> F W CA CA > > > > Do you have a birth date on George?? there are too many to list here... > > > > Here are all the Walters..... > > > > SUGG, Walter Other <1862> M W AL AL > > SUGGS, Walter G. Son <1868> M W NC CA > > SUGG, Walter Son <1872> M B NC NC > > SUGGS, Walter Other <1873> M W AL TN > > SUGGS, Walter Son <1874> M W TN TN > > SUGGS, Walter Nephew <1874> M W TN TN > > SUGG, Walter Son <1876> M W IN IN > > SUGG, Walter Son <1878> M W NC NC > > SUGG, Walter Son <1878> M B NC NC > > SUGG, Walter Son <1879> M B NC NC > > SUGG, Walter Other <1880> M B MS MS > > > > No Daisy.... > > > > Here is John German.. > > > > Census Place: White Oak, Franklin, Arkansas > > Source: FHL Film 1254044 National Archives Film T9-0044 Page 730D > > Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace > > John GERMAN Self M M W 24 AR > > Occ: Farmer Fa: TN Mo: TN > > Molly GERMAN Wife F M W 25 AR > > Occ: Keeping House Fa: TN Mo: TN > > > > I think thid is Your George but he is not married..None of the Goerge > > Trotters were married... > > > > Census Place: Lincoln, Douglas, Missouri > > Source: FHL Film 1254685 National Archives Film T9-0685 Page 474B > > Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace > > Caroline TROTTER Self F W W 53 MO > > Occ: Keeping House Fa: KY Mo: NC > > George W. TROTTER Son M S W 25 MO > > Occ: Farm Laborer Fa: NC Mo: MO > > Joseph S. TROTTER Son M S W 21 MO > > Occ: Farmer Fa: NC Mo: MO > > Charles O. TROTTER Son M S W 19 MO > > Occ: Farmer Fa: NC Mo: MO > > William H. TROTTER Son M S W 16 MO > > Occ: Works On Farm Fa: NC Mo: MO > > Ephraim F. TROTTER Son M S W 13 MO > > Occ: Works On Farm Fa: NC Mo: MO > > Almedia A. TROTTER Dau F S W 10 MO > > Fa: NC Mo: MO > > John T. TROTTER Son M S W 8 MO > > Fa: NC Mo: MO > > Eliza A. ELLIOTT Other F S W 9 MO > > Fa: MO Mo: MO > > James N. ELLIOTT Other M S W 7 MO > > Fa: MO Mo: MO > > > > No Avery Shannon...... > > > > Just because they are not in the 1880 census, does not mean that they >are > > not somewhere....Indian territory would not have a census...and people >who > > did not trust government would avoid the census.... > > > > >I would like to take you up on your offer to do look ups. > > >I have many brick walls in all of my lineages. All due to Cherokee & > > >Choctaw blood. My ancestors didn't trust the US government, so they > > >avoided > > >any records of any kind and paid cash for everything. I need to place >the > > >following people SOMEWHERE in 1880. > > > > > >Sanford SUGG/SUGGS, b. 1846-48 Lawr. Co. AL. most likely a widower by >1880, > > >but his wife was Cynthie Permillis [Mellie} They were in Itawamba Co. >MS. > > >but possibly ended up in Lee after the boundry changes. He had the > > >following children by wife 1. Jennie, George W. Mattie, Walter S. & >Daisy. > > > > > >John Clayton German/Jarman [various spellings] b. 1855-57 AR. probably > > >Franklin Co. m. Mary Trotter, b. 1860-61 AR. Children: Infant girl, >John > > >Houston, James Wm, & Lenzy lee. > > >Possible spellings for German-Germon, Jermon, Jerman, Jermyn, Jarman, > > >Gearman, Gaurman, probably more. > > > > > >George W. [Sam] Trotter, b. 1850-51, Madrid, MO. m. Paaralee [Pauline] > > >German/Jarman, in AAR. 1870, b. 1854-55. Children: Georgia [first >born], >m. > > >Edward F. Allen, James/Jimmy, Reggie, all born in AR. > > > > > >John C. German & Paralee Trotter are siblings & George Trotter and Mary > > >German are siblings. They stayed pretty close all their lives. > > > > > >Also after John C. German/Jarman died [unknown] Mary German m. 2. Avery > > >Shannon. Need information on him > > >also and I have absolutely nothing but his name. Looked for a marriage > > >license where I knew Mary German was, but found nothing. > > > > > >Any help or suggestions most appreciated. > > > > > >Shirley in HOT, DRY, OKLAHOMA > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "katharan plemmons" <katharan@hotmail.com> > > >To: <TNMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 11:44 AM > > >Subject: [TNMONTGO-L] genealogy and history > > > > > > > > > > Well, I have got to jump in here...I am one of those people who live >on > > >the > > > > computer....I am handicapped and cannot get to all those wonderful > > >research > > > > sites...It is my window on the world...and the exchange of genealogy > > > > information is what these lists are all about...I belong to about a > > >dozen > > > > genealogy lists and get 1000 emails a day...I also do lookups in the > > > > 1850-60-80 census' for Tennessee..I have other research materials >that >I > > > > also share with people who ask.. > > > > I read each and every email to see if pertains to me or if I can >help > > >them > > > > in any way.... > > > > > > > > All this only takes about 4 hours a day and I still have time for my > > >family > > > > and my other love, quilting......and I enjoyed the lively discussion >of > > >the > > > > Civil War and learned a few things about it that I did not know > > >before...If > > > > William did nothing else, he got this list animated and I appreciate > > >it.... > > > > > > > > So if anyone needs a lookup in the 1850, 1870 census for Tennessee >or > > >the > > > > 1880 for all states, just ask..I like to share information... > > > > > > > > Katharan > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Jerree, > > > > > I am sorry but I believe you have a different notion of what >this > > >list > > > > >if for than I do. My understanding of the various lists is for >folks > > >to > > > > >join who have similiar lines to share information they have, not to >do > > > > >other's research for them. I am under the impression that the >websites > > >for > > > > >various states, counties, etc. is the place to post copies of >wills, > > > > >censuses, probate records, Bible records, > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: >http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

In a message dated 8/29/02 8:53:32 PM Central Daylight Time, JODAP2@aol.com writes: > Hey Dana What would you like to see happen here? I wish that I could get through some brick walls myself. But what can we do? What do we expect from this list and others like it? William

Will someone please unsub me from this waste of time. Dana

Thanks for looking. Much appreciated Bette

Thank you I will try that. Bette