Good Morning, I wanted to ask everyone if they knew who Irving Suiter's lst wife's  parents were she was Willie Vance.  If you have any info on her or this family would you please share with me.  You can do this privately if you want.  My email is Jodap2@aol.com Thanks for your time and have a wonderful day. God Bless Dana Powell

Does anyone on this list have information about the following people and do you know if there is a CAMPBELL connection to these families? Thanks! Colleen Campbell Taylor MONTGOMERY COUNTY, TENNESSEE: COUNTY CLERK WILLS: VOLUME: A-C: DATE: APR 1796-OCT 1821: Roll# 91 Vol. A 1796-1809 12 McDaniel John Jr & John Sr / bill of sale 907 McDaniel Johnson / inventory 912 McDaniel William Montgomery/TN administrator bond Johnson McDaniel

Good News: NGS GENTECH 2004 is less than a month away. Even Better News: The hotel rate is $99, not the higher figures your might have seen in other notices Here are the Particulars about the Conference: NGS GENTECH 2004 will be in held in St. Louis on January 22-24. Since 1993, GENTECH has been THE national conference for people interested in GENealogy and TECHnology. Now, as a new division of the National Genealogical Society, NGS GENTECH will sponsor conferences that continue to meet the needs of advanced users and those new to using technology in research. Each year the conference has featured a panel of nationally known speakers who have addressed themselves to every aspect of the use of computer and Internet technology to support genealogical research - to meet the needs of advanced users as well as those just beginning to use technology in their research. This year there will be a Librarians' Pre-Conference at NGS GENTECH on Thursday, January 22, 2004 which will feature talks by Cyndi Howells, Ruth Ann Hager and Matt Helm. Details of this special Pre-Conference are at: www.slcl.lib.mo.us/slcl/sc/gentech04/precon-schedule.htm. In addition to the Librarian's Pre-Conference, Thursday will feature two-hour tutorials on four important topics: * Building a Family Genealogy Web site * Mapping Workshop * Federal Web Sites * Digital Photography. See the full NGS GENTECH 2004 program at: www.eshow2000.com/ngsgentech/register_now.cfm or at the St. Louis Genealogical Society website: www.stlgs.org/gentech2004. If you have not attended a GENTECH conference, please consider making this your first. Our professional development depends upon finding and using the right tools to accomplish your clients' goals, and the sessions at this conference can help. Remember, you can register on line at: www.eshow2000.com/ngsgentech/register_now.cfm We look forward to seeing you in St. Louis in just a few weeks! NGS GENTECH 2004 promises to be a sellout and a highly successful conference. John Konvalinka, CGRS(sm), CGL(sm) NGS GENTECH 2004 Publicity Chair www.konvalinka.com

I am working on the family of John Hargrove who died on Davidson Co. in 1798. He owned land in Montgomery Co. and at least some of his children lived there. I have put together the info I have gathered on this website: http://geocities.com/genealogicalsearch/hargrove.htm Would like to hear from anyone with information. Debie

A while back someone was inquiring about Somerset Post Office..... My sister ran across this information in a booklet on the history of the Henrietta Community, Hwy 12, which stradles the Montgomgery/Cheatham Co . line.: "POST OFFICE FEB TO JUNE 1859 B F KING POSTMASTER AT HENRIETTA. THEN R.T.GUPTON POSTMASTER UNTIL 1860 CLOSED DUE TO CIVIL WAR. NO POST OFFICE UNTIL 1877 WHEN JOHN DUKE WHO HAD STORE AT HENRIETTA BECAME POSTMASTER. THEN JOHN HART BALTROP, JJ GUPTON, J.H. BALTHROP, THOMAS BATTS. POST OFFICE IN THOMASVILLE --JOHN SHAW IN LATE 1800'S, THERE WAS A GROCERY STORE AT CORA POOLES HOUSE. RUN BY JACK ADKINS, IT DOES NOT MENTION A POST OFFICE, BUT SAYS THAT THE STORE WAS CALLED SOMMERSET." Hope this helps! Diann

FYI- Frances To: tn-all@usgennet.org Subject: TN-ALL Fwd: MTGS January 04 Meeting >The Middle Tennessee Genealogical Society will hold its first meeting of >the new year on Saturday, January 17, at 1 p.m. at the Edmondson County >Branch of the Public Library, 5501 Edmondson Pike, Nashville. > >The meeting will be our popular "Show and Tell" forum for history buffs >and heirloom hobbyists. We invite members as well as non-members to >share their genealogical tales and treasures. > >Coffee and refreshments follow the meeting! > >In case of bad weather, check our website: http://www.mtgs.org > >Hope to see you there, >Katheryne Cowan, MTGS Webmaster -This is a USGenNet Safe-Site Mailing List - http://USGenNet.Org/

For some reason Outlook Express doesn't want to send my message, it came through blank. I will try one more time. Florida lands were all "laid out" in township, range, sections, and remained so until they were replatted into lots and blocks for counties or cities. These were specific parcel sizes, and had no relationship to those that were named townships, i.e. Midland Township. In this use it was a synonym for Town of Village, and may or may not have anything to do with the size of the community. The section was the smaller portion, a specific number of sections (I think 36) were included in a township, a specific number of townships were in a range. They read left to right, starting with the smaller segment i.e. Section 1 and 2, Township 35 South, Range 40 East, in the County of __, State of Florida. To find them on a map, you read backwards, find the Range first, then the Township, then the Section(s). These are from Federal land grants and established standardized property descriptions. (Remember the old western movies where they talked about ranch lands in "sections"?)

Millie, Do you have a Stephen Gibbs anywhere hiding? My Stephen who married Malinda Duncan also lived in Montgomery County. He was born about 1817. Their children were Mary Ann 1844 and Mark P. 1841. Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mildred Macken" <mmacken@comcast.net> To: <TNMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 1:18 AM Subject: [TNMONTGO-L] Surnames DILL & GIBBS > Just wanted to start the New Year with a posting of > > John DILL b. Feb. 1839 Greenville County, SC and he married > Parthena ______ born March 1839 TN. > Their children were > > Angeline Dill b. 1862 TN > John Richard Dill b. June 15, 1875 TN > Nathan Anuel Dill b. 1872 > > Robert Lee Dill, Sr. B. Feb. 1, 1865 TN and he married > > Eudora Gibbs b. May 16. 1870 Montgomery Co. TN > her parents were > > Thomas H. Gibbs and Mary J. ______ both were born abt. 1829 > and their children were > > John Gibbs 1851 > William Gibbs > Alice Gibbs > Milton Gibbs > Liazora Gibbs > Frances Gibbs (female) > Elizabeth Gibbs > Eudora Gibbs 1870 > > > Robert Dill and Eudore Gibbs children were > > Sterling T. Dill b. June 12, 1888 (My Grandfather) > Joseph J. Dill b. 1892 > George Stephen Dill b. 1893 > Alda R. Dill 1895 > > > Any info would be greatly appreciated, > > Thanks, > > Millie M. > > mmacken@comcast.net > >

The Townships and Ranges system resulted from the Louisiana Purchase and affects all that land. If you look at a plat or range map, you will see that the whole area is divided into square blocks. These blocks are based on a survey starting point in my home county of Monroe County, Arkansas, where all the land west of that point is in West ranges, and all the land east of that point in is East ranges. All the land north of that point is in North Townships, and all the land south is in South Townships. For example, my ancestors bought land in Prairie County, Arkansas in Twp 4 N of Range 6 W (it is northwest of the marker in Monroe County). Within that area it is divided into 36 Sections of 640 acres each. Each Section is divided into 4 quarters (160 acres each), and these can be further divided into smaller quarters. So the designation of their land is as follows: NW 1/4 of SW 1/4 of Section 4 of Township 4 North Range 6 West. This totals one quarter of one quarter of 640 acres = 40 acres. Gerry Parchman

Thanks Gerry for you great explanation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry Parchman" <lib2uus@comcast.net> To: <TNMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [TNMONTGO-L] Township, Range, Section Surveys > The Townships and Ranges system resulted from the Louisiana Purchase and > affects all that land. If you look at a plat or range map, you will see > that the whole area is divided into square blocks. These blocks are based > on a survey starting point in my home county of Monroe County, Arkansas, > where all the land west of that point is in West ranges, and all the land > east of that point in is East ranges. All the land north of that point is > in North Townships, and all the land south is in South Townships. > > For example, my ancestors bought land in Prairie County, Arkansas in Twp 4 N > of Range 6 W (it is northwest of the marker in Monroe County). Within that > area it is divided into 36 Sections of 640 acres each. Each Section is > divided into 4 quarters (160 acres each), and these can be further divided > into smaller quarters. So the designation of their land is as follows: > > NW 1/4 of SW 1/4 of Section 4 of Township 4 North Range 6 West. This totals > one quarter of one quarter of 640 acres = 40 acres. > > Gerry Parchman > >

If you do a Google search on "township maps," you will be able to access these maps in specific states. -----Original Message----- From: Cleo Hogan [mailto:cdmhogan@usit.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 9:49 PM To: TNMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TNMONTGO-L] Township, Range, Section Surveys > I received the message below and know nothing about these maps. Is there > anyone on the list that can explain what this lady is asking, then we will > both know. > > Thanks in advance. Shirley > > What do you know about township maps? > 1. Do they number from left to right or right to left? > 2. Does township 8 go on right or left of township 9> > 3. When a census refers to Elkins township is that a town or a 36 > section township? > 4. Do you know how to pull up this type of info on Internet? > > > IMHO, this is a northern and western US phenomenon. I lived in NE, IA and MI, and learned of "townships" there; we, to my knowledge, do not have them in VA, WV, NC, SC, KY and TN, which are the areas I have lived in (NC, KY & TN), and researched in (VA, WV, SC, KY). There's some history of the method of surveying that Thos Jefferson was involved in, that resulted in the "township", "range" and "section" that was used in the Northwest Territory that was NOT used in the Territory South of the River Ohio, when land grants and deeds were first used. We use the "metes (sic) and bounds" [creek to rock to tree] system in the South, I think. A course at a genealogical seminar on land records in the north would cover this. Will some surveyor or real estate lawyer step in here? Cleo in Clarksville, cdmhogan@usit.net

Just wanted to start the New Year with a posting of John DILL b. Feb. 1839 Greenville County, SC and he married Parthena ______ born March 1839 TN. Their children were Angeline Dill b. 1862 TN John Richard Dill b. June 15, 1875 TN Nathan Anuel Dill b. 1872 Robert Lee Dill, Sr. B. Feb. 1, 1865 TN and he married Eudora Gibbs b. May 16. 1870 Montgomery Co. TN her parents were Thomas H. Gibbs and Mary J. ______ both were born abt. 1829 and their children were John Gibbs 1851 William Gibbs Alice Gibbs Milton Gibbs Liazora Gibbs Frances Gibbs (female) Elizabeth Gibbs Eudora Gibbs 1870 Robert Dill and Eudore Gibbs children were Sterling T. Dill b. June 12, 1888 (My Grandfather) Joseph J. Dill b. 1892 George Stephen Dill b. 1893 Alda R. Dill 1895 Any info would be greatly appreciated, Thanks, Millie M. mmacken@comcast.net

Go to this url for a very nice picture and explanation: http://www.outfitters.com/genealogy/land/twprangemap.html If for some reason you can't access this, go to Google and type in "township range" without the quotes. The first one that came up is the url above. Linda Hughes On Jan 6, 2004, at 10:48 PM, Cleo Hogan wrote: >> I received the message below and know nothing about these maps. Is >> there >> anyone on the list that can explain what this lady is asking, then we >> will >> both know. >> >> Thanks in advance. Shirley >> >> What do you know about township maps? >> 1. Do they number from left to right or right to left? >> 2. Does township 8 go on right or left of township 9> >> 3. When a census refers to Elkins township is that a town or a 36 >> section township? >> 4. Do you know how to pull up this type of info on Internet? >> >> >> IMHO, this is a northern and western US phenomenon. I lived in NE, >> IA and > MI, and learned of "townships" there; we, to my knowledge, do not have > them > in VA, WV, NC, SC, KY and TN, which are the areas I have lived in (NC, > KY & > TN), and researched in (VA, WV, SC, KY). > > There's some history of the method of surveying that Thos Jefferson was > involved in, that resulted in the "township", "range" and "section" > that was > used in the Northwest Territory that was NOT used in the Territory > South of > the River Ohio, when land grants and deeds were first used. We use the > "metes (sic) and bounds" [creek to rock to tree] system in the South, I > think. A course at a genealogical seminar on land records in the north > would > cover this. Will some surveyor or real estate lawyer step in here? > Cleo in > Clarksville, cdmhogan@usit.net > >

Thanks Cleo & Linda for the help. We appreciate it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda S. Hughes" <lshughes@mindspring.com> To: <TNMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [TNMONTGO-L] Township, Range, Section Surveys > Go to this url for a very nice picture and explanation: > http://www.outfitters.com/genealogy/land/twprangemap.html > > If for some reason you can't access this, go to Google and type in > "township range" without the quotes. The first one that came up is the > url above. > > Linda Hughes > > > On Jan 6, 2004, at 10:48 PM, Cleo Hogan wrote: > > >> I received the message below and know nothing about these maps. Is > >> there > >> anyone on the list that can explain what this lady is asking, then we > >> will > >> both know. > >> > >> Thanks in advance. Shirley > >> > >> What do you know about township maps? > >> 1. Do they number from left to right or right to left? > >> 2. Does township 8 go on right or left of township 9> > >> 3. When a census refers to Elkins township is that a town or a 36 > >> section township? > >> 4. Do you know how to pull up this type of info on Internet? > >> > >> > >> IMHO, this is a northern and western US phenomenon. I lived in NE, > >> IA and > > MI, and learned of "townships" there; we, to my knowledge, do not have > > them > > in VA, WV, NC, SC, KY and TN, which are the areas I have lived in (NC, > > KY & > > TN), and researched in (VA, WV, SC, KY). > > > > There's some history of the method of surveying that Thos Jefferson was > > involved in, that resulted in the "township", "range" and "section" > > that was > > used in the Northwest Territory that was NOT used in the Territory > > South of > > the River Ohio, when land grants and deeds were first used. We use the > > "metes (sic) and bounds" [creek to rock to tree] system in the South, I > > think. A course at a genealogical seminar on land records in the north > > would > > cover this. Will some surveyor or real estate lawyer step in here? > > Cleo in > > Clarksville, cdmhogan@usit.net > > > > >

> I received the message below and know nothing about these maps. Is there > anyone on the list that can explain what this lady is asking, then we will > both know. > > Thanks in advance. Shirley > > What do you know about township maps? > 1. Do they number from left to right or right to left? > 2. Does township 8 go on right or left of township 9> > 3. When a census refers to Elkins township is that a town or a 36 > section township? > 4. Do you know how to pull up this type of info on Internet? > > > IMHO, this is a northern and western US phenomenon. I lived in NE, IA and MI, and learned of "townships" there; we, to my knowledge, do not have them in VA, WV, NC, SC, KY and TN, which are the areas I have lived in (NC, KY & TN), and researched in (VA, WV, SC, KY). There's some history of the method of surveying that Thos Jefferson was involved in, that resulted in the "township", "range" and "section" that was used in the Northwest Territory that was NOT used in the Territory South of the River Ohio, when land grants and deeds were first used. We use the "metes (sic) and bounds" [creek to rock to tree] system in the South, I think. A course at a genealogical seminar on land records in the north would cover this. Will some surveyor or real estate lawyer step in here? Cleo in Clarksville, cdmhogan@usit.net

I received the message below and know nothing about these maps. Is there anyone on the list that can explain what this lady is asking, then we will both know. Thanks in advance. Shirley What do you know about township maps? 1. Do they number from left to right or right to left? 2. Does township 8 go on right or left of township 9> 3. When a census refers to Elkins township is that a town or a 36 section township? 4. Do you know how to pull up this type of info on Internet?

FYI Frances -----Original Message----- From: FRANO-COLA.SC@worldnet.att.net [mailto:FRANO-COLA.SC@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 2:58 AM To: FRANO-COLA.SC@worldnet.att.net Subject: [Forum:] forming Clarksville, TN Civil War roundtable The following new message has been posted on Forum at <http://www.tngenweb.org/montgomery/webbbs/queries/index.cgi>. *************************************************************************** MESSAGE: (#570) forming Clarksville, TN Civil War roundtable <http://www.tngenweb.org/montgomery/webbbs/queries/index.cgi?rev=570> AUTHOR: Greg Biggs DATE: Tuesday, 6 January 2004, at 12:57 a.m. Hello, We are forming the Clarksville, TN., Civil War roundtable with our first meeting to be held in February, 2004. This will be a monthly organization with membership open to all who share an interest in the Civil War. We will have great speakers, loads of fun and fellowship and some tours of Civil War sites. We sincerely hope our Montgomery County neighbors will join us in this new venture. We guarantee you a fun time and lots of learning. If interested please contact me at the email address below. Please join us! Greg Biggs Biggsk@aol.com *************************************************************************** This is an automatically-generated notice. If you'd like to be removed from the mailing list, please visit Forum at <http://www.tngenweb.org/montgomery/webbbs/queries/index.cgi>, or send your request to FRANO-COLA.SC@worldnet.att.net. If you wish to respond to this message, please post your response directly to the board. Thank you!

Could anyone lead me in the right direction to obtain records from an undertaker or mortaury? I have copies of the death certificate transcriptions for 2 of my GGGrandparents, William Franklin Walton and his wife Henrietta Groves Walton. Both died in 1917and families of both lived in the Southside/Cheap Hill/ Rocksprings area. As usual the death certificates answer some questions and bring up others. I am hoping that the undertakers have old records that may lead me forwards. On Wiliiam's death certificate the undertaker is listed as Speight Nicks & Co. of Tenn. On Henrietta's the undertaker is listed as Jess Wallace of Pardue, Tenn. Does anyone know where they are located, are they still in business now and did they possibly keep records? Thanks. Jon Jon Wray genkeeper@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

I hope that you all have a safe and wonderful New Year's Eve and a prosperous New Year. Thank you to all who have contributed to our pages over this last year. I really appreciate your help. you make our pages a place where family researchers can come and find useful and valid information. Happy New Year!! Frances

A friend sent this to me and I think it says everything we would wish for you and your family in 2004. Warmest wishes for a 2004 filled with peace, health, love, and joy! ~Warner and Jean~ Auld Lang Syne The World's National Anthem ...with explanation beneath... Should auld acquaintance be forgot And never brought to mind? Should auld acquaintance be forgot And days o' lang syne? Chorus For auld lang syne, my Dear For auld lang syne We'll tak a cup o kindness yet For auld lang syne And surely ye'11 be your pint-stowp And surely I'll be mine And we'll tak a cup o' kindness yet For auld lang syne Chorus We two have run about the hillsides and pulled wild daisies but now we are far apart in distance >From those days now in the past Chorus For auld lang syne, my Dear For auld lang syne We'll tak a cup o kindness yet For auld lang syne We two have paddled in the stream from morning untill noon but oceans now lie between us since those days now in the past Chorus For auld lang syne, my Dear For auld lang syne We'll tak a cup o kindness yet For auld lang syne So take my hand, my trusty friend and give me your hand and we will take a hearty drink together In memory of those days now in the past Chorus For auld lang syne, my Dear For auld lang syne We'll tak a cup o kindness yet For auld lang syne The best known and most often sung of all songs, reminds us that Robert Burns is as much the poet of friendship as of love. This song is now generally sung at the end of a convivial evening and at New Year's Eve the world over. Of course Auld Lang Syne is more than a New Year's song. It is one of the great expressions of the tragic ambiguity of man's relation to time, which mixes memory with desire, carrying away old friendships and bringing new, turning childhood escapades into old men's recollections, making change the very condition of consciousness, and at the same time the creator and the destroyer of human experience. All this is done in the purest folk idiom, with no abstract statements or generalizations, except for the chorus itself, which states in simple but powerful terms the question that lies at the heart of so much human emotion. The sublimation of nostalgia for the past in present good fellowship brings the poem to a close (whichever version we take) with a formal social gesture, in the light of which everything falls into shape; past and present are held together for one tenuous moment by ritual, which is man's way of marking permanently the fleeting meanings of things. The lines: And surely ye'll be your pint-stowp And surely I'll be mine translate as: And you will buy your own pint tankard and I will buy my own, is a means of saying that since old friends can be separated by time and distance they can still buy each other a pint and remember their friendship. This can be further exemplified by saying that the greatest time and distance that you can be from your friends are when they are no longer on this earth and yet you can still buy your pint and raise a glass to them in remembrance. The ritual of holding hands is symbolic of shaking hands with everyone, and if this is done across the globe then you are in effect shaking hands with your friends everywhere. What better way to wish loved ones a very Happy, Healthy, Prosperous New Year! Tippin' a pint (of milk!) in your direction tonight... Be safe and ALL the best in 2004!!!