Sorry to hear about Frank Frost. I'm another one who would like to have heard his stories. Sandra Ellis wrote: > Some of you may remember that I mentioned Frank Frost in a message on Feb. > 4th. I thought I should mention that Frank "left us" on Tuesday of this > week. I'm sure going to miss him and his stories! He was the son of Henry > T. and Prudie McClanhan Frost. > > Also, in case someone missed it, the current obituitaries have been added to > the Leaf Chronicle's web site at www.theleafchronicle.com > > (Stan and I lost an uncle yesterday. Lem Mason was the son of George Bailey > and Ruby Knight Mason. He married our aunt Betty Walker.) > > Sandy Ellis

I have read that the people aren't smiling because of how long the exposure time was to take the picture. Could never figure out why that mattered if they smiled or not but maybe it's harder to not move your face during that time if you are smiling? Her is a good web site on photographs, you might find it helpful on dating photos you have. http://www.classyimage.com/picdate.htm Happy hunting and Happy Valentine's Day. Jeanne Coakley Millman Searching: Averitt, Coakley, Warden, Keel and maybe Breeden

Thanks Sandy, are the rolls on the web? At 05:39 PM 2/14/01 -0600, you wrote: >Shirley, > >I was just checking my messages and noticed your description of a stern >looking Indian woman---and thought I'd remind you to not overlook those >"Indian" rolls. The "Cherokee Applications" sure helped me with some >information I needed on my step-Mom's family! > >Sandy Ellis Shirley Gordon Administrative Secretary 324 S. Kedzie Hall Michigan State University East Lansing, MI 48823-1032 517-353-3290 Fax 517-432-2049

Shirley, Dana, and anyone else that is looking for the Cherokee Applications--- The Index to the Guion Miller Rolls are on line and it seems that I saw the index for the Dawes Roll (but I don't remember where I saw that one off-hand!). Try the National Archives (NAIL) at http://www.gov/nara/searchnail.html For the keyword, type in Guion Miller then, "Display Results" The search should find 3 items---the 2nd is the index to the Guion Miller rolls. When I went through the "J" sections looking for "Sarah Leann Johnson", I didn't find her----she is listed as "Sally Ann Johnson" because her uncle/guardian didn't know her name! When I looked through the Johnson name, I found her brothers. Then, I started searching the Bowman name---her mother's name. That's where it really got interesting! Seems that many of the Bowmans filed applications claiming descent through Polly Hooker Rich. Now, I'm searching the Rich name! (This is so much fun!!!!) Good luck with your research! Sandy Ellis

Some of you may remember that I mentioned Frank Frost in a message on Feb. 4th. I thought I should mention that Frank "left us" on Tuesday of this week. I'm sure going to miss him and his stories! He was the son of Henry T. and Prudie McClanhan Frost. Also, in case someone missed it, the current obituitaries have been added to the Leaf Chronicle's web site at www.theleafchronicle.com (Stan and I lost an uncle yesterday. Lem Mason was the son of George Bailey and Ruby Knight Mason. He married our aunt Betty Walker.) Sandy Ellis

Don't forget the applications that were turned own

Debbie, I'll see what I can do on finding Levi's parents. Thanks, Elsie

I believe the Elizabeth Ladd who married Jackson Baggett came from KY, but I'm not entirely sure. Elsie

I thought it was because at that time it wasn't "proper" to smile/laugh in a picture. But I don't know if that's true , just what I've been told, Caroline ----- Original Message ----- From: bzbee <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [TNMONTGO-L] clark > Excuse me for jumping in here, but almost all the old photos that I see are of > very stern people. Never smiling and I have always wondered why. Surely > there was some dab of happiness in their lives. I do hope so. They always look > as if they have been frightened. Any ideas why? Thanks. Jo... > > Shirley Gordon wrote: > > > Deanna, thanks. I have seen the marriage licience and her names looks like > > it could me Clark or Clarke. Another thing to add to the hunt. I do have > > all their childrens names on down to my generation. She has been a brick > > wall for me. She is a very stern lookin indian woman. > > > > At 11:46 AM 2/14/01 -0600, you wrote: > > >Shirley, > > >I am sure you have this information too, but just in case - > > >the Montgomery Marriage Book that I have shows that > > > > > >Sarah Clark married Samuel Suter on January 15, 1852. > > > > > >Here again, as with the census, it is not necessarily all the > > >information that is shown in the marriage record. Sometimes > > >the original marriage record will show the name of the bondsman > > >or security, name of minister or justice of the peace, church, etc. > > >Not always shown, but sometimes is, and this information may > > >or may not be helpful to you. > > > > > >All of these books we have available to us are good, but there is > > >nothing better than looking at the original records or a > > >microfilm of them for the most complete and accurate information. > > > > > >Deanna > > > > Shirley Gordon > > Administrative Secretary > > 324 S. Kedzie Hall > > Michigan State University > > East Lansing, MI 48823-1032 > > 517-353-3290 > > Fax 517-432-2049 >

Elsie, What all can you tell me about Jackson Baggett.... Lola [email protected] wrote: > > I believe the Elizabeth Ladd who married Jackson Baggett came from KY, but > I'm not entirely sure. > Elsie

Shirley, I was just checking my messages and noticed your description of a stern looking Indian woman---and thought I'd remind you to not overlook those "Indian" rolls. The "Cherokee Applications" sure helped me with some information I needed on my step-Mom's family! Sandy Ellis

Thank You HKB.. I only have a 1831 date for Jackson Baggett and I don't know Elizabeth's. They were from around Montgomery Co. I do believe.....Sorry I do not have anymore information than this... Lola [email protected] wrote: > > Lola---I have several Elizabeth Ladds but none of them with the right spouse. > What area are you looking at and time frame? > HKB

Lola---I have several Elizabeth Ladds but none of them with the right spouse. What area are you looking at and time frame? HKB

They looked that way because of the long exposure time. They had to hold as still as they could. No fast Film in them days. Connie C

I really, really, would like to find a Jackson Baggett that married 1st to America Black and second to Elizabeth Ladd.. I would like to know who his parents are and his brothers and sisters... Thanks in advance, Lola

Hi everyone, it appears as if these people were frightened of cameras. Or as you say Jo, pretty unhappy. Maybe they were too tired to smile. At 01:18 PM 2/14/01 -0800, you wrote: >Excuse me for jumping in here, but almost all the old photos that I see are of >very stern people. Never smiling and I have always wondered why. Surely >there was some dab of happiness in their lives. I do hope so. They always look >as if they have been frightened. Any ideas why? Thanks. Jo... > >Shirley Gordon wrote: > > > Deanna, thanks. I have seen the marriage licience and her names looks like > > it could me Clark or Clarke. Another thing to add to the hunt. I do have > > all their childrens names on down to my generation. She has been a brick > > wall for me. She is a very stern lookin indian woman. > > > > At 11:46 AM 2/14/01 -0600, you wrote: > > >Shirley, > > >I am sure you have this information too, but just in case - > > >the Montgomery Marriage Book that I have shows that > > > > > >Sarah Clark married Samuel Suter on January 15, 1852. > > > > > >Here again, as with the census, it is not necessarily all the > > >information that is shown in the marriage record. Sometimes > > >the original marriage record will show the name of the bondsman > > >or security, name of minister or justice of the peace, church, etc. > > >Not always shown, but sometimes is, and this information may > > >or may not be helpful to you. > > > > > >All of these books we have available to us are good, but there is > > >nothing better than looking at the original records or a > > >microfilm of them for the most complete and accurate information. > > > > > >Deanna > > > > Shirley Gordon > > Administrative Secretary > > 324 S. Kedzie Hall > > Michigan State University > > East Lansing, MI 48823-1032 > > 517-353-3290 > > Fax 517-432-2049 Shirley Gordon Administrative Secretary 324 S. Kedzie Hall Michigan State University East Lansing, MI 48823-1032 517-353-3290 Fax 517-432-2049

Thanks for the reply. I don't know about the type of cameras they had years ago, but that was all that came to mind. I suppose they had to set them and wait. Thanks for the site. Jo... Raymond Millman wrote: > I have read that the people aren't smiling because of how long the exposure > time was to take the picture. Could never figure out why that mattered if > they smiled or not but maybe it's harder to not move your face during that > time if you are smiling? > Her is a good web site on photographs, you might find it helpful on dating > photos you have. > > http://www.classyimage.com/picdate.htm > > Happy hunting and Happy Valentine's Day. > Jeanne Coakley Millman > > Searching: Averitt, Coakley, Warden, Keel and maybe Breeden

Deanna, I have touch on the Clarkes but have not done alot of research. Thanks for the tip. At 12:51 PM 2/14/01 -0600, you wrote: >Shirley, >All these old photos are stern looking < LOL>. >You should see the photo of my g-g grandmother >Elizabeth , boy, that was one serious looking woman! >She was a large woman too, they said - very tall and >well endowed! Wouldn't want to have her tell me I >was a bad kid!! Whew........ >Have you looked at the Clark (e) families in Stewart Co. >or Trigg Co. KY? >Deanna Shirley Gordon Administrative Secretary 324 S. Kedzie Hall Michigan State University East Lansing, MI 48823-1032 517-353-3290 Fax 517-432-2049

Deanna, it seems like I am thanking you a lot. Well I should be, you are being very helpful. Thanks for the direction. I will check these out. I won't be going to Clarksville until this summer sometime. I did not get any goodies for V day. Hope you did. At 12:46 PM 2/14/01 -0600, you wrote: >Shirley, >Doesn't the Detroit area have a branch of the >Federal Archives? If so, they would have microfilm >copies of the Census records. Also, how about the >nearest Family History Center Branch (Mormon Church). >They will order microfilm records in for you at $ 3.50 each. >Cheaper than traveling to Clarksville (although I love to do >so too)! You can access the Mormon Church library card >catalog through the internet, by going to >www.familysearch.org >You can also search the family name too. Lots of ways to >look for information there. >We're all here to help each other. >Happy Valentine's Day! Hope you get a box of candy or >flowers today!!! >Deanna Shirley Gordon Administrative Secretary 324 S. Kedzie Hall Michigan State University East Lansing, MI 48823-1032 517-353-3290 Fax 517-432-2049

Deanna, thanks. I have seen the marriage licience and her names looks like it could me Clark or Clarke. Another thing to add to the hunt. I do have all their childrens names on down to my generation. She has been a brick wall for me. She is a very stern lookin indian woman. At 11:46 AM 2/14/01 -0600, you wrote: >Shirley, >I am sure you have this information too, but just in case - >the Montgomery Marriage Book that I have shows that > >Sarah Clark married Samuel Suter on January 15, 1852. > >Here again, as with the census, it is not necessarily all the >information that is shown in the marriage record. Sometimes >the original marriage record will show the name of the bondsman >or security, name of minister or justice of the peace, church, etc. >Not always shown, but sometimes is, and this information may >or may not be helpful to you. > >All of these books we have available to us are good, but there is >nothing better than looking at the original records or a >microfilm of them for the most complete and accurate information. > >Deanna Shirley Gordon Administrative Secretary 324 S. Kedzie Hall Michigan State University East Lansing, MI 48823-1032 517-353-3290 Fax 517-432-2049