In a message dated 8/21/02 2:16:06 PM Central Daylight Time, Katt1930@aol.com writes: > That's what I said.....`it was only a piece of paper'. > It did nothing.... > The Constitution is only a piece of paper! The Declaration is only a piece of paper!! ?????

In a message dated 8/21/02 2:13:13 PM Central Daylight Time, Katt1930@aol.com writes: > Jerree If this is an answer of why the Vietnam War was fought (and I am truly sorry for your loss there) then you still haven't given an answer yet....have you? Willie

In a message dated 8/21/02 2:11:33 PM Central Daylight Time, Katt1930@aol.com writes: > Well, my mother was born in MO and my daddy was born in OK.....both their > families came from VA in Rev War times..... > Jerree In Revolutionary times, my kin were from PA, MD, and NC (in the area that is still NC today). What does that mean? Most all of my kin were in TN by the early 1800's. What does that mean? Cousin Willie

In a message dated 8/21/02 2:07:57 PM Central Daylight Time, braisl@madisontelco.com writes: > although I know those Damn Yankees stayed) caused the festering of the > Elaine They were afraid the South would regroup if left alone. And if they ever leave, we just might!! :) William

In a message dated 8/21/02 2:03:12 PM Central Daylight Time, Katt1930@aol.com writes: > Prior to April 1861, the U S (North) had four forts located in the South: > > 1 Fort Sumter > 2 Fort Pickens > 3 Fort Taylor > 4 Fort Taylor > Jerree When you say this, do you mean the US had forts in the southern US prior to the above date? If so, was Sumter fired upon after a request for giving up the fort was turned down? I don't know the facts here but I could see where that may be the case. William

Sandy: So sorry to hear that. I do hope they find out what caused this. Hearing so much about West Nile virus, makes me wonder if it could have something to do with that. Mary

Thanks William (and others) I thoroughly enjoyed all the responses to the question. Barb

In a message dated 8/21/02 11:10:27 AM Central Daylight Time, sjellis@charter.net writes: > What is the true purpose of your question? What do you really want to know? > After all, aren't you a misplaced 'true southerner' and if not, why do you > make so many trips to TN? > Hey Sandy Why yes indeed. I'd be living there but for my 11 year old. The reason I wanted to know, was that I have some IA kinfolk. They had lived in TX for awhile and they told me the Texans were still fighting the war. So, my kin asked me if TN was still fighting the war. I told them I didn't think so. I told them that if anyone came up with a goofy idea (in their eyes), it was either blamed on either 'Yankees' or 'Granite City polocks'. If anyone if offended by the term polock, just remember I am only quoting. Furthermore, despite being a misplaced 'true southerner' I could  not adequately answer the next question. That being if the South did not secede over the slavery issue, then why did they? All I could say was "states 'rats' " (rolling my  eyes)     :) William PS I will make some time for a little research.

William, If you have no quest for knowledge.......you are dead........ It was a very good question! jerree

My 2g grandfather Rev SAMUEL THOMAS LANCASTER was a Bapt Chaplain and died in the CSA. 29 Jun 1862 in Tupelo-Lee-MS of pneumonia at age 53. He was from Lancaster-Smith-TN. jerree

That's what I said.....`it was only a piece of paper'. It did nothing.... jerree

William, Absolutely.....my husband was killed in the Tet Offensive.... jerree

Well, my mother was born in MO and my daddy was born in OK.....both their families came from VA in Rev War times..... So where are you drawing this invisible line? South(erners) of what? jerree

William, Prior to April 1861, the U S (North) had four forts located in the South: 1 Fort Sumter 2 Fort Pickens 3 Fort Taylor 4 Fort Taylor jerree

Sectionalism, interests of the East, South, and West. States rights vs. Federal rights. The United States was formed from thirteen individual colonies into a rather weak federal government. These new states gave up some of their rights to the federal government, but tried to retain other rights. With the election of Abraham Lincoln, the probable loss of the right to own slaves eventually caused southern states to form a seperate nation. As a result of the war the Federal Government became the dominant governing body for the entire nation.

My Mom and several neighbors just returned from Nashville. They had taken Travis down for more tests---still trying to determine exactly what has caused this 'virus'. (The doctors apparently decided to let the family suffer through another night and day so they could continue to run tests.) Then, the family was taken into a conference room. When they returned, Grandmother Shirley said there "still" was no blood getting to Travis' brain. Later today, the family is going to be allowed to spend some time with Travis (they are planning to come after his g-grandmother). All mechanical support will be removed----- Robin has been 'holding her own' but has started using past tense when referring to her son. Reality probably won't set in for a while. Her family as been at her side through this. Mark has been visibly upset throughout this ordeal. His family was on an extended vacation when they learned about Travis. They left there car 'somewhere' and flew to TN to be with their son and grandson. Last night 6 or 7 teachers from Richview Middle School went to the hospital to offer their support to the family. They took folders of notes, cards, get-well wishes Travis' classmates had sent. Earlier in the day, East Montgomery Elementary School contacted the family. Numerous others have stopped by the hospital or called to show their support. Travis' family has been extremely grateful for this tremendous outpouring of love and support. One thing has happened that should cause public outrage. A particular Nashville news station somehow caught wind of what was going on at Vanderbilt and has repeatedly tried to get an interview with the family during this time of distress, causing them much anguish. (Does this mean that some 'informant' at the hospital knows something?) Perhaps a penguin told them, but they need to be 4warned that some things can wait---give the family some respect! Sandy Ellis

I think I need to read something on how slavery got started in this country. Any suggestions, anyone? Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cleo G Hogan" <cdmhogan@usit.net> To: <TNMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 9:26 PM Subject: [TNMONTGO-L] War Between the States Cause(s) > Often one will hear the explanation that it was States' Rights, or the > rights of the states to decide the slavery question, with particular > reference to the Missouri Compromise of 1854, I think it was called, > involving whether newly admitted states west of the Mississippi River would > be admitted with slavery practices allowed. In that sense, it was about > "slavery"; but actually, it was about the right of states to DECIDE the > issue of slavery individually by states; rather than by edict from above. > The answer is not one or two simple words--slavery OR states' rights; but > the entire history must be studied. > Certainly many small farmers (in TN particularly) did NOT own slaves; > but just as certainly, many large farmers "planters" DID. However, a large > number of the front line soldiers, many of whom died, were from the "small > farmer"--non-slave-holding families. Were they fighting about "slavery"? > You can decide that; just please don't make value judgements using 2002 > cultural values about events of 1862! Cleo in Clarksville, > cdmhogan@usit.net >

Shelby FOOTE is one of my favorite authors. His narration on THE CIVIL WAR by Ken Burns is excellent. SHILOH and FOLLOW ME DOWN were also excellent. Bruce CATTON for pure joy of reading "facts" as he knew them is also a great Civil War author. Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: <Katt1930@aol.com> To: <TNMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [TNMONTGO-L] The South > Sounds like Margaret Mitchell's `Gone with the Wind'. > > Great book....her family almost disowned her when she wrote it. > > jerree > > P S Another great series of books about the south are by Frank Yerby. The > first one was `Tap Roots' and the following books go on about the same family > for generations. They are what got me interested in genealogy years & > years ago. >

Hi Cleo, I'm not sure which branch of the Baptist Churches he belonged to. All I know is that a James HAYNES is mentioned as being an early Baptist Preacher in Stewart co. Thanks. Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cleo G Hogan" <cdmhogan@usit.net> To: <TNMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 9:15 PM Subject: [TNMONTGO-L] Montgomery Co Baptist Church Records > > While I have your attention, does anyone know how I could find Baptist > > Church records for Montgomery Co. for the early years of the 1800s? Or > the > > name of some of the churches? > Any idea what KIND of Baptist Churches you are looking for? Primitive; > Southern; Missionary; Freewill; General? The County Historian put out a > nice book a few years ago with thumbnail histories of the oldest 100 > churches in the County, which would give you an overview. Many of the > Baptist churches probably trace back to the Primitive Baptists at Half Pone > (now defunct; in present Cheatham Co; then Montgomery) and it's sister, Red > River, organized 1791 or 2 at Port Royal, on the Robertson Co line; later > moved to present Adams, in Robertson County, where it is going strong as a > Southern Baptist church, I think). Cleo. >

Thanks Catherine. The fellow I am trying to get more info. on may possibly have been a Circuit Rider for the Baptist Church in Stewart and Montgomery Cos. Appreciate your help. Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "katharan plemmons" <katharan@hotmail.com> To: <TNMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [TNMONTGO-L] question for true southerners > Elaine.. > > I just went through the process of trying to find some church records and it > can't be done....Each church keeps it own records and they are not saved in > any central repository...If a church ceases to be, the records are lost > unless someone in the church saves them.... > > > >From: Elaine Suhre <braisl@madisontelco.com> > >Reply-To: TNMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com > >To: TNMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [TNMONTGO-L] question for true southerners > >Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:43:38 -0500 > > > >Thanks Jerree, I will bone up on the Marshall Plan for next time. This > >could go on and on couldn't it? > > > >While I have your attention, does anyone know how I could find Baptist > >Church records for Montgomery Co. for the early years of the 1800s? Or the > >name of some of the churches? > > > >Many thanks. > >Elaine > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: <Katt1930@aol.com> > >To: <TNMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 4:58 PM > >Subject: Re: [TNMONTGO-L] question for true southerners > > > > > > > Sorry Elaine...... > > > > > > That was after WWII, we rebuilt those European countries that we had > > > destroyed with our tax dollars of course....same with Japan but we > >called > >it > > > occupation. > > > > > > jerree > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com >